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On March 20 2014 15:51 Holyflare wrote:
Why would i try when i know you're scum?
You don't know shit. you are awful or scum. And I honestly hope you are scum because if you are town you are awful.
Anyway. Dinner time. I'm looking forward to whatever bullshit you talk next holyflare.
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On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Why arent we lynching Djo? He's calling people town for having a bad read. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ixwo69j.png) VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though  I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter. His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it? Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote Show nested quote +And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking. The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that. Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?
If it was between the two it would be giggle hands down. Which is why my vote was on him over djo. Djo seemed reasonable after my case and was willing to talk things out at least. He promised to talk when he wakes up, which is something that giggle clearly may not do. His holy vote was suspect as fuck. He left, dropped a case many hours later and then left.
Def Giggle between the two.
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On March 20 2014 16:10 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Holyflare has played 1 game with me as town and I was a smurf intentionally trying a different style. He is completely unaware of my meta. Also he thinks I am scum so what do you fucking expect from that question?
Like this is what you are doing:
Hey holyflare what do you think of the person whom you have tunneled very obviously all fucking game?
I think he is town but I hope you call him scum again so that it will take pressure of me and I can omgus without it looking like omgus. I'm giving him a chance not to tunnel like maybe he can say "you know what he does do this as town" or something if he refuses to reconsider it gives me a read on him. I know this may come as a shock to you DP but I do this thing where I reevaluate my reads throughout a game and I give people a chance to talk and listen and prove themselves townie to me. I don't just pick one person and tunnel vision them into the ground. @DP so Hf's obvious tunnel on you do you read that town? What about vivax? If you knew that I was green and vivax is reading this on me what does that say to you about his alignment?
Jesus man read the thread. Holy did this to me in my last game as town. I thought he was probably town until he started lying and after he didn't de-tunnel.
Like he is either severely tunneled or scum. Either way his input is meaningless to me for now.
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On March 20 2014 16:30 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jesus man read the thread. Holy did this to me in my last game as town. I thought he was probably town until he started lying and after he didn't de-tunnel.
Like he is either severely tunneled or scum. Either way his input is meaningless to me for now. I realize the HF read is redundant I more want to know what you think of vivax.
Then why did you ask me about holyflare?
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About Vivax: I don't know. The case on you originally was focusing on the wrong things in my opinion. People have brought up some good points against him, Rayn in particular.
That post in which he wrote a wall on his schedule was poor and scummy.
I actually wouldn't mind flipping him. He is on the grey side of red for me.
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It's full of crap basically. You said the second case was legitimate then it was a joke now it is legitimate after I caught you lying. Basically you will say whatever is convenient for you.
And most of it is based on meta from ONE! game which you played in me with as town in which I was smurfing and trying a new play style.
The rest is just the same rehashed bullshit from the past 2 days.
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Oh and if you think I am wishy washy It is because I change my reads based on new information. Like any good player will. Rayn is someone I respect and someone I will and have sheeped in the past. Nothing new interesting or scummy about it.
I am done with you and this tunnel. If someone wants to ask me about your case that is fine.
We are through.
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On March 20 2014 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
Dp just stfu for once in your god damn life and quote the things that make me a liar whete i pick and choose when it's a joke or not, i guarantee you can't because they don't exist. It's the same argument giggle is making who you apparently want to lynch.
You even call it a joke yourself multiple times rofl
You are legitimately full of shit and a Liar.
On March 19 2014 14:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 14:49 Vivax wrote:
Another thing I forgot to mention is that HF didn't go uscumbro on Palmar like he did on hopeless. The post where he said that he liked DP's post looked pretty bad to me until he explained that he didn't see the observation about rayn as alignment indicative yet thought it would come from a townie. The initial posts on dp were jokes.
On March 19 2014 22:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 19 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think you lied about the scooby doo thing if that helps basically i didn't want you trolling like what you pulled in cultured so I got on your case as soon as I saw you doing ridiculous things. The Phoenix Wright stuff looked like pregame-plan, or you draw really well really fast. Based on the adventures of kiterayn, I don't think you can draw that well on demand. Your case on DP is based on his pre-game assertion that he dislikes hydras and was at one point willing to /out because of it. You used a mindset that can't be assigned to an alignment and when DP was consistent with it, tried to spin it to make him look scummy in-game because it allowed him to push scum-agenda. This is after you call your read On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 06:46 Coagulation wrote:
who do people think is scum DP is legitimately scum. But I'm the bad guy for taking you even remotely seriously. I drew it all in real time :O and yes my case on dp with the hydra thing was a bs joke too, it was his reaction to it that made me serious. You think I'm so bad as to use something that someone says they will do as any alignment as a legitimate case?
On March 20 2014 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
I made a joke post against dp and then another one about the coag hydra and him being scum because of it
On March 20 2014 08:09 DarthPunk wrote:I think your narrative is a load of shit Holyflare. At first you were adamant only the first 'case' against me was a joke. Now you are saying both cases against me were jokes. But that is a fucking lie. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 06:46 Coagulation wrote:
who do people think is scum DP is legitimately scum. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:On March 19 2014 06:50 DarthPunk wrote:Almost Forgot! On March 15 2014 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Before I get my role PM
If I am vig I will Vig Coag
If I am town I will try to lynch Coag
If I am scum I will shoot Coag
If I am scum I will try and lynch Coag ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GpuKR9R.jpg) and here is the proof: On March 14 2014 09:37 DarthPunk wrote:
/out because of hydra's. They are OP as town and Crap as scum and honestly I don't see the point unless it is like a themed hydra game.
On March 19 2014 06:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I hope you realise that coag is an OMGUS hydra so don't try and meta him PPL. Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. (witchcraft as town) and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down And you haven't stopped tunnelling me since. Now after that you start going on about me being overdefensive or whatever and not playing like the ONE! other town game you have played in. BUt in that game I was not full tunnelled from the beginning of the game onwards. The second case which you say was a joke was preceded with 'dp is legitimately scum' So I call massive bullshit on you holy flare.
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On March 20 2014 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Um so yes you quoted 3 seperate occasions where i say all the posts were a joke? Congratulations you just proved you are a liar
No the second post was not a joke. It can not be interpreted as a joke when it Begins with "dp is legitimately scum and here is the proof.' So all the times you say it is a joke is a fucking lie holyflare.
You literally tunnelled me because of that 'case' that was so bad it became a 'joke' when you got pressured for it and were a huge douche bag ever since that 'joke' of a case.
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On March 20 2014 17:17 Holyflare wrote:
You interpreted it as a joke about 4 times in my case on you so that's just a lpad of crap too, i was definitive in statements in vengeful too.
The first one was a joke. I never agreed that the second one was a joke because it clearly wasn't. it wasn't phrased that way, it did not read that way and it was a catalyst for your never ceasing tunnel on me.
You called it a joke later because it was convenient for you. But the fact is it wasn't and you lied when you said it was a day later.
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On March 20 2014 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
So a case that's based on something you said pre-game that you'd do as all alignments isn't a joke? You funneh bro, keep digging!
It's not when it starts with. "DP is legitimately scum and here is the proof." You later called it a joke when everyone said it is terrible. But from how you are playing this game and in previous games you are legitimately awful so yeah. It wasn't a joke. That vote you made in the original "joke" case has never come off and you have tunnelled me ever since.
What you are is a confirmed liar, and either a horrible townie or a scum who is tunnelling me from the first 5 minutes of the game onwards to shit up the thread and give you something to post about.
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On March 20 2014 17:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did.
Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it.
I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. Hey guess when that was. Oh yeh after the hydra joke. Guess what you said about it "you did the same thing in vengeful" Hey look who is the liar now, it's you! Scum numver 1 re-caught!
You doing the same thing in vengeful was not referencing you joking,. It was referencing you being an obnoxious d-bag and tunneling me throughout the first day based off terrible cases. Nothing about a joke.
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And I am not reacting to it as if it were a joke in that post. Probably because you said 'DP is legitimately scum and here is the proof"
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I'm done with you and your lies and your tunell.
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On March 20 2014 17:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm done with you and your lies and your tunell.
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On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.
On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.
On March 20 2014 09:39 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Serious question:
tehpoofer, Djodref and Giggletummy what do you think Hopeless' alignment is? Not sure about Hopeless yet, he looks like he spent a lot of time clarifying the scooby doo thing (and I'm unable to tell if it's on purpose or not). I would not lynch him today. I have some difficulties to understand what he means to say honestly. On this point I really enjoyed Palmar comments about nobody speaking the same language in this game. Holyflare is for example making reading this thread very difficult for me ^^ I'll check his filter again tomorrow.
On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote: VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.
Basically the stuff in which he is answering the questions that you and rayn are posing to him and the reaction to my case. I still think he is scummy but I would rather give him some time to get his shit together because he has shown he is willing to interact with the thread, answer questions, provide his view point etc.
Where as GGT Did scummy vote with no explanation > afk > Explanation > afk.
That is like textbook scum behaviour IMO.
What do you think of tehpoofter and my case on him? What do you think of holyflares case?
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On March 20 2014 17:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
All this tunneling going on. lol Reading HF's wall of text now.
well? surely you have an opinion after reading it. I know it is difficult to understand but still...
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On March 20 2014 18:18 thrawn2112 wrote:those posts from djo you say are reasonable, here is what you previously said about them: Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes. Yes that does look bad. And djo is the kind of player for whom being wishy-washy is a legitimate tell. you said they looked bad. after that you went on to call djo mafia based on meta. the SAME posts that you are calling reasoanble and using to justify not lynching djo, are the posts that you initially called bad. what's up with that?
The content is not reasonable necessarily. What IS reasonable is his willingness to take part in a productive discourse and interact with the thread. Which I feel is pretty clear from his final few posts on the second page of his filter. He is willing to talk with people such as you and rayn and is attempting to make his thought process clear etc.
I still think he is scummy, I wrote a case on him that I believe in, but as I said, I would like to give him the chance to get his shit together as he is showing that he is willing to take part in a productive discourse.
Whereas someone like GT is afking and Teh poofter either ignores or outright ignores my questions until I prod him to death, after which he finally answers my questions with outright lies and twists of the truth.
Does that seem reasonable to you?
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On March 20 2014 18:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm slowly coming around to that. all the arguments about "jokes" and whatnot completely go over my head since I was not reading all that stuff as it happened. the main thing i've taken away from your case his how amazingly contradictory DP reads and lynch pushes are
Sigh.
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On March 20 2014 18:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Why arent we lynching Djo? He's calling people town for having a bad read. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote: VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter. His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it? Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking. The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that. Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo? I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ? And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly. Make me some bullet points plz 
Posts like this are the exact thing I am talking about. Why would you lynch djo over poofter or GT?
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