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On March 06 2014 06:48 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 06:47 yamato77 wrote:On March 06 2014 06:43 Xatalos wrote:You mean to say "no" with this post? On March 06 2014 05:29 yamato77 wrote:On March 06 2014 05:14 prplhz wrote:
Hi. yamato i really want to know what you think about me Not caught up yet. Some time before numbers are due I'll read the rest of the thread. Still not reading close enough. This is almost comical. Just to make this end. link
Lol.... Dunno how I could miss that post. Phoneposting sucks etc. Well, that's good then.
On March 06 2014 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i'll keep track of this:
1. Palmar [1,1]
2. Oatsmaster [3,1]
3. prplhz
4. Hopeless1der
5. Artanis[Xp] [11,11]
6. marvellosity
7. yamato77
8. austinmcc
9. Xatalos
10. gumshoe [2,?]
11. LSB [2,1]
12. raynpelikoneet [2,1]
I picked 8 4 in the end. Seems like it wasn't such a good idea... There were less clashes than I thought.
I also sent in my role choice, but apparently this choice isn't permanent, so it's not like it matters too much.
A lot has happened while I was away. Mainly austin and gumshoe have come under new suspicion. Both resisted rayn's plan for bad reasons. Also LSB remains as a suspect. prphlz not so much anymore. I dunno about him, but at least he's pretty active in the discussion, so I'm not too fond of lynching him.
I'm not truly sold on gumshoe. His stance against rayn here reminds me of his stance against me in GoT Mafia (I was pretty clearly townie and putting in a lot of effort, but he kept opposing me for dumb reasons). Then he pretty much went AFK and was town KP'd. On the other hand, as scum (granted it was a long time ago) he was a lot more passive and unnoticeable. Does he do this thing where he baits a lynch on himself as scum nowadays?
austin... He's really focused on a pretty irrelevant topic (unlikely host speculation). I guess he does have a point, but it's not like all the roles will be greatly changed (maybe like DT, but probably not much else). I don't think it's that bad to talk about this topic in itself, but he hasn't really done anything else worthwhile. Most importantly he has done nothing to help with the D1 lynch and has just 100% focused on a pretty irrelevant branch of the PYP stuff. He's certainly null at best and slightly scummy at worst (for contributing in a way that's overall not helpful and even anti-town by distracting the discussion and undermining rayn's plan).
LSB has also mostly attacked rayn's plan, but at least he had some slight contributions to scumhunting (rayn+austin+Hopeless). Although he seems VERY fast to jump to conclusions (rayn Mafia for shaky reasons, austin Mafia for one post (?), Hopeless Mafia for sheeping...). His crusade against rayn is also very tunnely and doesn't seem genuinely concerned about the best direction for town. It's more like he just wants to attack it for the sake of attacking it, not to determine if it's truly useful or not. His play is just pretty scummy and even at best it's just null.
Hopeless seems to have dropped from the discussion entirely. He's an extreme sheep but I don't really think he's Mafia for it. More like just lazy/insecure. We'll see if he'll push anything of his own.
I'm starting to feel pretty scum on yamato. True, he didn't pick 1 1 at the start, but even more worryingly he's become very antagonistic and useless. It's kinda like here (as scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=yamato77 On the other hand, as town, he usually feels quite townish (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=yamato77 - although it was a PM game so part of his contributions were in PM land).
My preferred lynches would be yamato/LSB/austin atm. gumshoe doesn't really fit in my lynch candidates unless I'm convinced that this is scum gumshoe playing like this (against my experiences with him).
Also someone pointed out that there isn't necessary a Survivor in this setup. And that seems to be the case currently, I guess.
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It'd be pretty weird if all gumshoe/austin/LSB were Mafia... But I think at least one of them quite probably is. It'd make sense to undermine rayn's plan in hopes of getting people off from it.
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I think gumshoe is by far the least likely one of them to be Mafia. It's more like he personally explained his distrust of rayn rather than tried to get other people to distrust him. It's just so much how he distrusted me in GoT besides me obviously pushing town agenda.
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On March 06 2014 22:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 22:44 Xatalos wrote:
I think gumshoe is by far the least likely one of them to be Mafia. It's more like he personally explained his distrust of rayn rather than tried to get other people to distrust him. It's just so much how he distrusted me in GoT besides me obviously pushing town agenda. But did he at least read your posts and then distrust you? Or distrust you blindly without really reading your posts as here? It's quite a significant distinction.
Actually it's a bit different from here since it happened mostly in PM land at N0 before the game truly started. I started campaigning to be our House Lord and tried to convince people (gumshoe, Grack, iamperfection) to elect me. gumshoe's reaction was something like "I don't trust you, I don't want to elect you". It was a long night and eventually we elected iamperfection, but basically gumshoe's reasons for distrusting me were mostly emotional and/or senseless. It's like he automatically gets suspicious of someone trying to campaign for himself. It felt pretty similar to here where rayn was proposing his plan and kind of leading town, but gumshoe's gut reaction was just to distrust him for no good reasons. The point is, I don't necessarily think gumshoe using bad reasoning to oppose something makes him Mafia. Dunno if it makes him town either, but it feels more like the town gumshoe I've known. Has his meta shifted to be more like this as scum too? Because last game I played with him (a pretty long time ago) he was just quite passive as scum.
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Like... This is how he posted in my last game with scum gumshoe (it's been long so it could be irrelevant by now though).
On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote:Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons  Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum. For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps. Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon?
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On March 06 2014 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You should take a look at the gsl mini xata, gum was quite proactive there.
He was scum there? OK, I'll take a look.
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Hmm. Clearly his scum meta has changed. For example these opening posts are kind of similar:
On March 06 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:
Muuuuust ressist dessssire to lurk cause Xata T_Y GAAAAAR. oK I hast broken curse for short time, the only long term answer is to KILL XATALOS.
In all seriusness, dumb/policy lynches are a baaaaaahd idea, even for das jokes, we have a disgusting amount of kp floating around and some of it may very well fall into scum hands. Despite that possibility, scum dont even need the guns, just the bullets to fly in the wrong directions. In fact whereas town need to abuse the fact that they have far more control of the setup, all scum need to do is play standard.
If they can just look better than town, this game can be over extremely fast, thats why I personally feel that Artanis and Palmer are town, because while they're behaviour is unlikely to get them lynched (and shouldn't in fact, we need to be damm sure about our lynches) it IS likely to get them shot.
Honestly I dont think anyone would really bat an eye if Artanis died over night(sorry best buddy ) : ) if scum play jokey its such a simple thing for them to get caught out. For that reason, I expect scum to be playing a bit more serious, it's something that might get them lynched in the long run, but the bullets are likely to be spent by night 2 and where they land will probally decide the game anyway.
This brings me to my person of interest.
Rayn : Has clearly thought out the setup throughly, he came into this game knowing exactly what he wanted to do and I'm damm sure he would have led the charge as scum or town. His plan has allowed him reasonable positioning pecking order wise, but it's also led to town discussion and formation, taking into account that scum need to play competently to win this game I would consider his organizational efforts a wash.
Less neutral a factor alignment wise is that rayns been playing extremely aggressive this game, picking away at the likes of Palmer and others. Rayn sees himself as an aggressive town player, personally I find he is an adaptive one, bringing out aggression when its called for not just for the sake of it. When Rayns scum though, he plays to his idea of himself and is far more pushy, often feeling as if he needs to jump on things before anyone else. I will be taking 2,1 because I dont trust Rayn atm and I rather neither he not get the one of his choice. As for his plan, I think it's fine so long as rayn doesn't get a gun, I'd prefer if Artanis and palmer could take hold of the heat.
As for LSb's issues with the plan, I dont see a problem with it myself, I'm sure Rayn thought it out pre game so it's fine either way as long as the right people are on top. I doubt scum would so openly disagree with it, they're probably going to just secretly pick whatever number they want. Openly attacking a plan thats gaining momentum seems silly / :
Anyone have any questions for me? I got a bit before I need to go.
On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote:
Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes.
"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!"
An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on.
Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob.
Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum.
1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative.
2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh.
3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy.
4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him.
"I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.."
at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory.
5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me.
6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.)
Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town.
Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch!
The difference is, though, that the one from GSL is much "safer". This one where he attacks rayn is sure to bring him under scrutiny and I'm not sure what the point of that would be as scum (since several other players, probably including scum, had already attacked rayn with better reasons). gumshoe doesn't even really oppose the plan, but rather rayn as a person. What's the point? It doesn't really achieve anything other than making himself a lynch candidate.
Otherwise gumshoe hasn't really done much yet. Apparently because of the "Xatalos curse" (lol).
I'd feel much better about lynching yamato. He's going for his scum meta so far from what I can see. Or LSB/austin would be acceptable as well. They've both undermined rayn's plan with a tunneled focus and without much reason. And without real other contributions. I guess the same can be said for gumshoe, but I feel like he's the towniest of those three. And actually he did give Artanis a townread at least (and with a pretty decent reasoning).
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Actually yeah, gumshoe denied rayn his spot a little bit earlier than LSB. I guess if LSB is town, then there's a chance that somehow gumshoe is scum and decided to bet everything on screwing with rayn... But I just don't see that being the case. At least I guess *both* gumshoe and LSB are very probably not scum. But still, I don't think it would be worth it for the scumteam to put one of their own in a bad spot just to deny rayn a top role. LSB was already against rayn so it wouldn't surprise me so much, but gumshoe just entered the thread and did that... I think LSB probably didn't refresh and see gumshoe's post because otherwise it'd have been useless to "block" rayn.
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So rayn, marv, you really want to lynch gumshoe? Isn't LSB the better lynch with this reasoning? Also one of them is most likely town so lynching one of them could be good to semi-clear the other one.
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Like.... I don't see scum putting two of their own to the bottom of the list (possibly not getting any roles) without any additional gain....
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Btw if we're going to mass claim N1, isn't it better to organize getting the roles to avoid duplicates?
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I meant the ones below the top 5.
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Maybe yeah. I'm just concerned that I'll be VT again :/
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Aaand.... If we're going to mass claim anyways... Does it really even matter?
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I meant that if we're going to mass claim anyways, does it really even matter if the bottom roles are organized?
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Meaning that scum get no chance to utilize this additional information but we stop duplicates from happening.
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Ahhh ok yeah the one who is lynched will lose his role pick. My suggestion would have been almost the same but I wasn't sure who would be best to leave without a role (yamato/LSB or rayn to minimize losses if he's NK'd).
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On March 07 2014 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or do you need to think what roles your team gets?
Obviously yes, but my team is town though 
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Haha... That's some downside. Luckily we have 2 heals so it's not certain.
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