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On March 06 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote: Moose, please don't clutter this thread with the nonsense that you clutter games with. Tambo, please be civilized with regards to Moose. Mirks, I'm can't refer to you as Rick this game. DUCY? QUOTE]On March 06 2014 05:36 IAmRobik wrote: On March 06 2014 05:04 Moose_ wrote: Robik please refrain from worthless posts that proceed to do nothing for town. Thanks. are you mad that you got randed maf? is that why you're coming out so passive aggresively? I'd lynch the shit out of you and not think twice.[/QUOTE] Also, bolded was obviously not true, The problem is Robik going aggro doesn't make him mafia, it just makes it hard to interact with him because he's going to have polarizing interactions with everyone. The second problem is going aggro doesn't make him town, because he'll be able to easily point out that he had a polarizing interaction with everyone. The third problem is mirks saying that something is very off with Robik. mirks, I want details about what is off with Robik. Moving on, this is why we never vote sqrt: On March 06 2014 05:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Again, you guys have a bit of a understanding of how each other play, giving you guys the advantage. Now, assume if all of you are town. Because you're not paying attention to the other people, you will just fight each other, accusing such and such because of previous habits that only you guys know, and end up lynching each other. Then mafia win. However, if one or more of you are mafia, that guy (or guys) would probably try to get the people who know their habits and playstyles out of the way, trying to eliminate people who may find something slip from them. I know that encouraging a clean slate approach is easy to say, but I don't care. I love the post and what makes it especially town is the tinfoiling in bold. No one makes that up, it just either occurs to you or it doesn't. Cruisette is the best vote today, largely because of this horrendous entrance: On March 06 2014 07:35 Cruisette wrote: Well this got interesting fast. I'm going to ride or die with Tambo on this. I really only see two towns fighting honestly here. Though, I do request that you boys be civil on here since it's our first time together doing forum Mafia. Robik - Why are we going on Tambo first? There is literally nothing Cruisette could've been referring to when she said "ride or die with Tambo on this." This is just a fake read from Cruisette. Moose had a good response that makes me think he's probably town: On March 06 2014 07:50 Moose_ wrote: Wait cruise did you read this whole post it was me and robik fighting. Tambo hast even really posted anything besides about me on this thread really. So true. Tambo pushed her for this and cleared Moose as well, so I think we get another town member in Tambo because the three of us are thinking the same things. My other strong read is Thorgear showed up with believable reads that I'm feeling. So it's like this: Cruisette, mirks, pretzel is likely to contain all mafia or I'm super wrong about Cruisette. I don't think I'm wrong about Cruisette. | ||
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Robik, I'm working at the same time obviously. | ||
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I would've fixed that earlier but I got a FLOOD CONTROL ban the first time I tried. Robik, I also want to hear about your read on sqrt because I hate it. | ||
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It feels frustrating to be wrong on Cruisette because that explanation still doesn't make any sense to me, she wasn't even referring to anything when she decided to ride or die and I'm pretty sure I'd lynch her for that reason if it ever came up again anyway. If my read had been that she sounds super wolfy it might have occurred to me that she deserves the TWTBAW treatment but this was just an obvious fake read (that actually wasn't, apparently). Don't think it was obvious at all, didn't like your "bad vote" post since you didn't say that to me and I'm the one who pushed her into the lead, and don't like you coming at me with your "why weren't you right for the wrong reasons" argument now. | ||
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do people usually show up during night or what's the story | ||
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First the mechanics of this: with 6 people alive and 2 mafia we should strongly consider just no-lynching, because that way only 1 person dies during "today's" day/night cycle and "tomorrow" we wake up with a smaller pool of players (less mistakes will remain available to us). I think that's valuable in a game where it's hard to clear anyone after the first day. This will change if we have a power role available to out something beneficial. If I have something beneficial I'm not prepared to say it yet. I was not role blocked. I still think Tambo is really obvious town. I don't like this post from Moose: On March 09 2014 22:25 Moose_ wrote: So currently i want to say about this post that i wonder where everyone went. The day began and we have yet to hear from tambo, mircs and hoya the man who said he would post more. Currently i do not like this as it is going to be quite tough to find the last mafia in between the group since no one is really posting. I am quite scared as it is MYLO. I really do not like to sleep but that might be the best option at the moment. This is a idea i want to hear more from town to see if they like this idea. I want to hear more about what you mean by "the last mafia". | ||
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Robik going hard at mirks (I like this). me telling mirks we need more reads from him and to clarify what he's doing, and I reiterate this later (I don't like that he never responded) mirks going hard at sqrt (I don't like this). Moose wants to lynch me, pretzel or thorgear for not posting yet, tambo thinks that's scummy (I agree) sqrt makes a big case on mirks and votes him (I like this), reads tambo soft mafia, and reads robik and cruisette as town (I like this whole post in retrospect, but I think I disagree with the conclusion about tambo) Moose comes at mirks, cruisette and tambo in one post here (I hate this post, especially the end about how consensus shouldn't dictate who you vote) mirks votes sqrt (hate hate hate) I come in and make a long post with a lot of reads, concluding that Cruisette is the best vote and that Cruisette, mirks and pretzel would probably contain all mafia through process of elimination. Oops. tambo likes my reads and post (I was wrong but I feel like this was genuine from him, not mafia from him) tambo posts reads on EVERYONE but votes Cruisette (I still think that's reasonable) Cruisette gets lynched and flips town. | ||
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More to say later, mirks I want to talk with you before today ends because I think I'm gonna die and I want to give a good read on you before I'm gone. Start here: I don't agree with you at all about sqrt and haven't one time thought I was wrong about that read. | ||
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On March 10 2014 23:05 mirks wrote: I get it, you think he's town. I disagree, and I know my alignment, I don't know yours, so my reads trumps yours. I've explained it, even he explained it to you. Care to explain what makes him town? I don't get you defending him, if sqrt is mafia its almost certain that tambo is his partner. He laid a case against him day 1 and since then has left him out of his mafia reads but still seems concerned with questioning people on tambo's alignment. So why don't you see sqrt as mafia? I can't tell if this is to me but I'm going to assume it is since this is what I want to talk about. I'm pretty sure sqrt is town because he's making posts that seem town: On March 06 2014 05:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Again, you guys have a bit of a understanding of how each other play, giving you guys the advantage. Now, assume if all of you are town. Because you're not paying attention to the other people, you will just fight each other, accusing such and such because of previous habits that only you guys know, and end up lynching each other. Then mafia win. However, if one or more of you are mafia, that guy (or guys) would probably try to get the people who know their habits and playstyles out of the way, trying to eliminate people who may find something slip from them. I already said this post is super town but I'm happy to reiterate it here: the part in bold is really really clever mafia posting if it actually is mafia posting, which I really doubt. On March 06 2014 06:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote: As it is a new game type for me also. The interaction between Robik and Moose is, I think simply townies probing for information. Which is great. I say we probe everyone, especially those who haven't posted since the game started. But, if the interaction between you two becomes a hostility, then all the mafia need to do is to you guys fight it out, ending in a couple of free kills. Another good motivation post. On March 06 2014 06:14 sqrtofneg1 wrote: mirks, what's your take on this? Starts immediately probing you. Right after Cruisette gets lynched and flips town sqrt says: On March 08 2014 09:05 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Since I've only played IRL mafia, speaking at night is strange. At least my Cruisette read was correct. Which I find to be another post too clever for mafia, especially since it's followed up by another good example of thinking about the game: On March 09 2014 05:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Anyone willing to say that they were roleblocked? I wasn't. So basically sqrt wants to get things right and sounds town and I don't see any reason to think otherwise. For you it's because sqrt voted you, which isn't a reason as much as spite. | ||
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Also you have it wrong, my strongest mafia reads are mirks and Moose, not you. Not sure where you're getting that. | ||
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MOOSE, do you remember what you were trying to say when you said "the last mafia"? Also you have it kinda wrong still, I don't think it's you and then either mirks or thor, I think you and mirks are mafia and thor would be my fall back option that we don't even have time for anyway. | ||
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On March 12 2014 06:00 mtamburini wrote: Do you think mirks and thor are together or mirks and Moose? I know you posted you meant to say MOOSE instead of thor, but did you also mean to say the reverse in the second line as well? From my experience in mafia and looking at voting patterns all 4 people who voted on Cruisette are still alive so I know there is at least one mafia in there. Furthermore, I think it would be extremely ballsy for both mafia to vote on a town in this set up as it would give them away really easily IMO. Entering this day the person I wanted to pressure the most is Moose but from my previous statement I think mirks is probably our best lynch. Reading over the votes on Cruiestte, mirks was the first person to vote on Cruisette and then he switched his vote to sqrt who we now know is town. Easily can be done if he sees his partner has already voted on her and can split his vote for credibility. Now I dont know who he would be partnered is a mystery to me right now. Thinking about it makes me think it could probably be Moose because of that word slip but Im not sure. I think it's mirks and Moose, I was pretty clear about that yesterday. Plus with sqrt flipping town I feel good about my reads. It is a little odd that you don't remember what I said about mirks and Moose since I said it twice and reiterated it. | ||
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On March 12 2014 08:16 mtamburini wrote: No action today huh? I really wanted some people to talk by now as were in lylo. So I will give you guys something to talk about when you do decide to read this. I am Rick "Ace" Lewis and I got some information last night. There was a DIFFERENT check between 2 people. Someone has some explaining to do. Moose was checked n1 and CPHoya checked n2. One of you CC me please it would make this game a lot easier. lol at this being the next thing I read ##Vote: Moose | ||
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On March 12 2014 10:40 mirks wrote: ##Vote: Thorgear Tambo, I feel like it's been explained far too much this game why I switched my vote. I thought sqrt was more scummy based on his day 1 long post in which he voted me for nebulous reasons. The logic is that mafia will defend a potential lynch who is town. Which made sense to me has he put hard point against you and voted me. Now that we know hes town I don't really care to talk about it, I was wrong, oh well. But the logic applies to thorgear aswell and I now know hes mafia. I've been a target and thorgear he has been subtly defending me since day 1. I read him as super town for that but in reality he was defending me incase I was the day 2 lynch, barring a modkill. So we lynch Moose and then the problem is if you're town this vote is going to end up dooming you because it just looks like you want the other mislynch and the win right now. The cop just claimed, it's obviously me or Moose. | ||
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Also I had the thought that if you're mafia your equity to fake claim Ace is pretty high since there's no guarantee that there even was an Ace in the game in the first place (meaning 50% of the time a counter-claim would be impossible) and even if there was you can be pretty roughly 60% confident that he's dead anyway. Then all you have to do is fake claim with two town and naturally one will die since there won't be a counter, and that's game over. This scares me. | ||
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On March 06 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote: Moose, please don't clutter this thread with the nonsense that you clutter games with. Tambo, please be civilized with regards to Moose. Mirks, I'm can't refer to you as Rick this game. DUCY? On March 06 2014 05:04 Moose_ wrote: Robik please refrain from worthless posts that proceed to do nothing for town. Thanks. On March 06 2014 05:36 IAmRobik wrote: are you mad that you got randed maf? is that why you're coming out so passive aggresively? I'd lynch the shit out of you and not think twice. On March 06 2014 05:43 mirks wrote: That same logic applies to you Robik On March 06 2014 05:48 IAmRobik wrote: Not true A5. It doesn't apply to me cause it is my standard game to be rude and obnoxious and aggressive (maybe even passive aggressive, i.e. my relationship with many DMers), whereas that's not the case with Moose, who I expect to be even more douchey and more aggressive without the passivity. On March 06 2014 05:56 Moose_ wrote: Currently you are using video logic mafia here on forums. Where i get to think way more before i type. So here expect a different play from me. I'm just gonna read the whole thing and point out what looks bad for Moose, Thor or mirks or good for me (and own up to what looks bad for me re: Cruisete). For example, here Robik comes at Moose about something stupid that no one ever would have cared about, and Moose gets super tilted immediately. It doesn't mean anything to say that a post does nothing for town (usually you'd say "us" by the way) but it's an especially odd response to what is at worst a bad joke. Then Robik says he'd lynch Moose and not think twice, which I earlier said couldn't ever have been true that early (I'm sure it was just pressure / essentially another joke) and we get mirks saying that "the same logic" - that logic is going on in these posts, seriously - applies to Robik. ???? Robik isn't being passive aggressive, he's going HAM, which is what Robik says. Then Moose jumps in again to complain that Robik is using video logic in a forum game, but really he's just using meta. Moose does have a point that you can't be expected to talk over each other all the time like you can in video, but it's still a pretty weird sequence that goes: Robik: joke Moose: defend self Robik: attack mirks: defend moose, attack Robik Moose: defend self and all of it seems out of place | ||
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On March 06 2014 06:42 mirks wrote: Moose seems his usual self from what I can translate from video to text, and something is very off with robik. I'll have to verify with his past games if he normally plays this aggro. Defending Moose again. What's annoying is I know Moose is mafia so I'm going to draw conclusions based on that obviously, but Tambo of course you can't see that. | ||
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On March 06 2014 09:12 IAmRobik wrote: Did you even read the thread Tambo? It was Moose who changed her mind...not me. by the way Tambo, it's not that hard to mix up the names in a game, see above | ||
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On March 07 2014 01:12 Moose_ wrote: So my biggest issue with, "just waiting on people to reply" and never worrying about them is currently there is 2 people who have yet to post, if we probe each other all day here and start scum hunting within us eventually one will turn scum. What if the 2 people who have yet to post are the scum so we wasted all this time reading each other to get false reads. So although i am so for only reading the people posting unless they get replaced soon i am okay lynching them. the bold part is basically just begging to mislynch either pretzel or me without having to look bad for doing it, and it's worse because like 5 posts earlier thor was pointing out that we'd just be replaced or modkilled anyway also I can't speak for pretzel but I'm used to much, much faster games and I'm enjoying not having to refresh this all day, there was never any risk of me not posting (I mean I confirmed) | ||
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On March 07 2014 17:26 mirks wrote: I don't understand how sqrt comes to the conclusion that because I vote someone and give a reason for it that I am subtly trying to make town think shes mafia. Thats pretty overt imo, its also the same thing that sqrt is doing to me so I find it very strange that he would bring it up as logic against ME. I don't really know what to draw from the interaction though. Maybe I'm wrong on cruisette and he KNOWS that? mirks complaining about picking up heat from sqrt is hard to stomach since it's not like sqrt was actually overt. It was about as bold as it gets: On March 07 2014 09:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, let's take a look at Cruisette. First post, she makes a post that makes no sense. This was due to an error where she skipped a page, and she said so herself. Then she says she thinks moose is a townie. Then she says she thinks moose is a mafia. Very wishy washy, but if there's someone who I would believe has flippy reads, it'd be the person who skipped a page. I read soft town. What about Tamburni? He was ready to lynch both Robik and Moose, but reconsiders after I say something. I'm willing to bet that if I didn't say that, he'd be perfectly fine to lynch both of them. Doesn't want to lynch the players who haven't talked yet because they could be modkilled/replaced. Says he feels like the people who want to lynch them are just picking on people who can't defend themselves, which is possible. But I have a feeling he doesn't want them to be lynched because one of the people who are inactive are his affiliation. I read soft mafia. Moose simply seems like town. One thing that catches my eye is that he said he's gonna play a bit differently than in video mafia. Which shows that he thought how video mafia transfers to forum mafia. This could mean he's mafia, but pretty much everything else says otherwise. I read soft town. Robik seems like an experienced player. Mirks say that something's fishy about him, but if he's the experienced player he is, I wouldn't expect him to make a mistake like that. I read soft town. Mirks seems active, but most of his posts are short, and some of them seem like he's trying to make others lynch someone. For example: He's subtly trying to make us think that cruisette is mafia. I read mafia. ##Unvote ##Vote mirks Sorry mirks. I wanted to be friends. | ||
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four of us are the four people who voted Cruisette, and no one else every got lynched mirks voted sqrt, relatively obvious villager | ||
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On March 10 2014 08:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think it probably is mirks, moose. But it could be some other combination, like hoya you, or hoya thor, or you thor, but I think that if mirks is one of them, moose is the other. But it could be moose + someone other than mirks. One possible explanation for sqrt getting nk'd | ||
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On March 10 2014 08:45 CPHoya wrote: Oh, I want to clear tambo because his posts make it clear he's trying to puzzle out the game and I feel I can understand his reads. Also he's taking the time to make long posts of his own accord instead of after being prodded. Also he popped in from work lunch with thoughts he was probably mulling over during work, which suggests he's probably just trying to solve a puzzle and wants to be heard. That's town to me. On March 10 2014 08:49 CPHoya wrote: And you is kind of just a tone read but whatever, you're similar to him and I think I can roll with that today. On March 10 2014 08:50 CPHoya wrote: Also mirks tried to lynch you on some shit I still do not understand and that he hasn't explained to me even though I've been asking. And if I really have to defend myself here's me explaining my apparently correct read on you and correct read on sqrt (there was a long explanation about sqrt earlier as well, including the no one makes up that tinfoiling argument). | ||
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On March 12 2014 11:19 mirks wrote: This is the only time moose has mentioned thorgear the whole game. "Thor you have really grown on me" and then he provides absolutely no reason for that and proceeds to ignore him for the rest of his game. This is the only time hoya has mentioned thor, by accidently saying thor when he was speaking to moose. So I can see either one being with thor..... Bold is not true, I mentioned thor two or three times on day 1, calling him town for making reads I could get down with. I'll quote the posts in a moment. This kind of thing bugs me because I have to fix it when something that isn't true ends up in the thread. | ||
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On March 12 2014 13:04 Thorgear wrote: if tambo is cop it doesnt matter who i push cause he has a red check on one of them and will reveal that before he dies in the night. so in that world you wouldnt have to read on who i am pushing.. I'm sort of compelled to believe that Thor has to be town if he doesn't even understand how Ace works. | ||
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On March 13 2014 16:12 Moose_ wrote: So today hoya has said nothing except that he is town lynch moose. He brought up the cop thing which i already stated earler. He also avoided all my points against him that i had i think the lynch is quite obvious here guys lynch hoya than tomorrow we figure out this game in final 3. I know this post is a lie in the first place but this part, from YOUR perspectives, isn't even true: I just re-read the entire thread, quoting important things as I went, and this never even happened. | ||
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Scares me that someone is just going to switch right at the end of the day. | ||
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it's really hard to play well as town when there's so little posting, there's just nothing to work with | ||
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Also just generally speaking (I'm borrowing the phrasing of the following), being right is the currency of mafia. You're more believable if your thoughts are reliable and understandable. That means people trust you. If I have your trust and I'm mafia, I win the game (most of the time). | ||
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