A large part of my choice was also the fact that if I hammered Artanis and lost i'd feel actually awful, like I threw the game almost intentionally.

Hammering JJD and losing doesn't bother me too much tho. Other than the fact that I lost.

Oh well. I'd already accepted that I was gonna get flak endgame

Believe it or not I did reason out how Scum!Artanis played out the entire game, the motives for everything he did, etc. But that seemed significantly less likely than him just being town.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 03 2014 17:35 GMT

#842

Nah sn0, I think anyone wouldve hammered JJD. I wouldve for sure.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 03 2014 17:36 GMT

#843

Yeah, I can't really blame you considering I gave Artanis a 99.99% townread

Btw this was the best part of ScumQT...

-Tossup between JJD (blue because massive focus on doc) and Xatalos (Looks to be fishing for a cop target)
-Eventually I decide to try and change the shot during resolution phase because Xatalos said he knew something but didn't want to tell it yet and I don't think he'd do that as a blue.

It was lucky I did that since I have a feeling we would have suffered a crushing defeat if I was NK'd N0.

Also surprisingly much thought went into choosing to kill me the next night. It paid off though.

Fun fact: Oats healed Artanis

(not that I blame him, I might have done the same)

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

March 03 2014 17:42 GMT

#844

hey, I was shot for being skilled, and I was right about my townread on jjd

all is well in the bh world

Balla24

2322 Posts

March 03 2014 17:46 GMT

#845

On March 04 2014 02:36 Xatalos wrote:
It was lucky I did that since I have a feeling we would have suffered a crushing defeat if I was NK'd N0.

The game actually takes a huge turn when cop dies n0. It actually gets really fun to me since it becomes all about actually scum hunting rather than playing the claim game.

Still sleep d1.
d2 doc claims and you reduce to 2/4 to hit mafia even with a doc counter claim its still 1/2 between doc claims or 1/3 outside of the claims. Very fun way to play the game especially when people are new to the situation.

JarJarDrinks

United States1302 Posts

March 03 2014 17:48 GMT

#846

GG. Don't blame U sn0. No one thought Art was scum. I, even made a case on why he couldnt be.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

March 03 2014 17:53 GMT

#847

I don't think there's a fitting scum narrative for what I did with the plan in the end. That's because I didn't do it because it was the optimal play, but because it was the fun play. I was going to push that hard in case it proved to be necessary. Kinda surprised sn0 already hammered him tbh

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

March 03 2014 17:53 GMT

#848

gg everyone.

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

March 03 2014 18:02 GMT

#849

thanks to Palmar, LoneMeow and Dandel Ion for running this game!

I will say though that Sn0 should read http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM#Mafia_examples_of_WIFOM "three player lylo"

yes I know it's mafiascum but still worth reading

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 03 2014 18:07 GMT

#850

That's kind of funny, but also true, I guess...

"A surprising proportion of the time, the correct answer is to lynch the one who looks extremely pro-Town."

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 03 2014 18:10 GMT

#851

On March 04 2014 02:46 Balla24 wrote:

Show nested quote +

That's pretty hard for town IMO. You can't mislynch even once and if there are several scummy-looking players, you (the whole combined remaining town) basically have to guess correctly twice in a row whereas scum only need to get lucky and hammer a mislynch once.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 03 2014 18:13 GMT

#852

Dunno, the chance of cop death is more or less offset by the chance of doc save right?

I still think doc save n0 should be a thing but w/e. I'm not suggesting the game was imbalanced or that we lost for any reason other than me failing. I just think that an n0 save kinda balances the chance of n0 doc kill.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 03 2014 18:16 GMT

#853

I think it was an interesting setup and pretty balanced. Maybe a bit swingy though (one choice of NK can have a HUGE impact on the game). But that's not necessarily bad IMO.

Blazinghand

United States25552 Posts

March 03 2014 18:20 GMT

#854

It's hard not to be swingy with a 7-person setup. After all, if we had a setup that started in 2-1 LYLO we would also call that swingy but really you can't make 2-1 LYLO non-swingy

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 03 2014 18:21 GMT

#855

This setup is remarkably close to starting in 2-1 lylo tho lol. U just get a bit of previous info.

(not complaining)

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 03 2014 18:21 GMT

#856

True

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

March 03 2014 18:22 GMT

#857

(replying to BH)

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 03 2014 18:22 GMT

#858

Well played Artanis!
It was a fun read after i finally did it.

I think you guys wasted way much time in discussing optimal strategies. Just fucking scumhunt and lynch mafia D1 and D2, don't care who claims what because the nerfed medic who could not save on N0.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 03 2014 18:23 GMT

#859

PS Scum QT is very bare-bones, can I get the explanation behind why syl claimed to have green checked me?

I understand why syl claimed, just not why he claimed a green check on me.

Balla24

2322 Posts

March 03 2014 18:24 GMT

#860

On March 04 2014 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
Dunno, the chance of cop death is more or less offset by the chance of doc save right?

I still think doc save n0 should be a thing but w/e. I'm not suggesting the game was imbalanced or that we lost for any reason other than me failing. I just think that an n0 save kinda balances the chance of n0 doc kill.

Doc shouldn't be able to save unless there is also no talking on n0.