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Reasons for leaning town?
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I don't get it Toad (that video and what it has to do with me, but funny nontheless). Besides, do you understand the rayn thingy? I still don't comprehend how Mocsta is supposed to be modconfirmed.
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I agree with HF actually. You can't base all your conclusions on the premise that gum is mafia on D1.
Besides, you said the cases one me aren't strong, that's reason enough to at least not vote me, it doesn't need gumshoe in there.
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JarJar since gumshoe is your person of suspicion you should be interested in WoS too based on the points I brought up about him.
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Dude, I've asked geript questions about WoS before he even came at me when I didn't post about Chyz, so categorizing it as OMGUS is retarded. I've been interested into him before he started going tunnel on me.
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On February 28 2014 00:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 00:49 Vivax wrote:
JarJar since gumshoe is your person of suspicion you should be interested in WoS too based on the points I brought up about him. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote:Mocsta
Vivax
Does this mean you think I am town?
Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. *snip* I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:<About Gumshoe> That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town.Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument.
On February 27 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote:
The premise is that the post is scummy, Moc. I mentioned your and suki's possible alignments based on the premise that gum is scum, not the other way around.
Reading comprehension is a good skill toi have
Stop twisting what I said.
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On February 28 2014 00:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 00:55 Vivax wrote:On February 28 2014 00:51 Mocsta wrote:On February 28 2014 00:49 Vivax wrote:
JarJar since gumshoe is your person of suspicion you should be interested in WoS too based on the points I brought up about him. On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote:Mocsta
Vivax
Does this mean you think I am town?
Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. *snip* I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:<About Gumshoe> That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town.Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. On February 27 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote:
The premise is that the post is scummy, Moc. I mentioned your and suki's possible alignments based on the premise that gum is scum, not the other way around.
Reading comprehension is a good skill toi have Stop twisting what I said. .... (1) You are calling gumshoe scum (2) You are stating scum would be compelled to intervene (as gumshoe did) if the argument between moc/suki was town vs town (1) + (2) equivocate to me being a town read -- which you later deny.
Of course I deny it, I'm not going to give you autotownread only cause I thought gumshoe was scummy. If I give you a townread it's cause of your play, not cause I find a guy scummy who picks your side in an argument.
I mentioned that gumshoe's way of intervening there is likely to come from a scum in a situation where you two are town, since he feels like he has to townread you before going on with what he found suspicious about suki (cause he felt it would appear unjustified if he simply attacked suki without giving a verdict on you, he took sides clearly).
That's the deal with the two of you being fighting townies. It was simply the version where I found gumshoe most likely to write that, and nowhere does it imply that based on my gumshoe stuff I have to townread you.
However I have added that there's also the possibility that suki was scum, cause I thought it unlikely that a scum gum would immediately take Mocsta's side in his argument, and cause he offered suki the easy way out at the end of his post.
But I can be wrong on this one cause I don't know how bussy of a scum player he would be, at the moment I was starting from the premise that scum don't defend each other, which might be wrong.
So yeah, that's the whole reasoning behind the post, and what WoS called an "interesting perspective".
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There moc, I rehashed the whole argument just so you would be able to digest it.
Although I doubt you will cause you're not figuring me out, you've been flinging shit at me since you found the opportunity to jump on my wagon.
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But hey. I'll make it for dummies just to make sure, you never know.
Premise: gumshoe scum.
Sees suki and moc calling each other scum.
Thinks suki can look scummy.
Doesn't simply say that suki is scummy for having "crafted" posts, like I would have expected if he was town.
Sees that the two are having a debate.
Townreads Moc cause he feels like he has to pick a side in the argument in order to attack suki. <- what I found scummy
Why would he feel that way as scum? Cause he needs to keep his story straight, and thinks he would look scummy attacking suki without showing trust in the guy attacking her previously.
He was already expecting the question: "But gum if you think suki is scummy, then what do you think of mocsta? They have been fighting after all." <- Which is the scummy mindset I imagined behind that post.
Which explains the insecurity in that post. And while picking a side he really didn't cause he immediately offered suki the explanation for her behaviour from a town point of view, which is more evidence of scared posting.
Now which are the most likely of Moc's and suki's alignments if a scum gumshoe felt that way?
At the time I thought that it's a way in which scum would approach two fighting townies, but didn't discard that suki could be scum based on the premise that scum feels safer while bussing (and hence prefers to pick the townies side in an argument).
Right or wrong, that's all my reasoning on that post.
And repeating it makes me want to lynch gumshoe again althought his meta looks different from last scumgame.
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It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken.
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On February 28 2014 01:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote:
It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken. I thought I gave my opinion on u.
You said null, I think you have enough material in my filter to reach a more definite conclusion.
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I find it weird that scum geript would townread me so firmly. Scum mouth must be watering at the prospect of lynching me, although he did backtrack somewhat by calling a post of me weird cause I posted about gumshoe without reading everything first. But he basically took himself away the easy chance to voteswitch to me.
Cavalinho, where did Toad make a case on me?
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Like really that post of yours looks down on town for what it's doing but what are you accomplishing with that? It's absolutely saying nothing. Let's hear some real opinions son
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JJD can you think of any reason not to lynch Mocsta?
Also I'm kinda at loss why HF lost the will to lynch him after writing this:
On February 26 2014 20:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:01 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 12:16 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, I'm quite happy where my vote is. So, you are happy that your scum read has posted so brazenly that within a span of 2hrs you have identified multiple "contradictions". Congratulations HF, with scum hunting like this, the game is over before it started. Ok, I'll humour you. Explain to me why you get all on wave for posting his gumshoe policy meaningless post and telling him how if he's town he isn't being conducive to finding gumshoe's alignment On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? but then the past page and a half of your filter is all self-meta posts and chastising me for having a scum read on you (peppered slightly with gumshoe/suki stuff)? What kind of environment are you trying to create and if it's a townies best interest to glean information from others sensible posts why are you berating me instead of questioning why I have those reads? I'm prob treating you differently because I think you are town and thats my way of dealing with you whether right or wrong.I fail to see from any of this why its mafia mindset specific. I haven't read RSM since we played it, so no idea if its reminiscent I doubt it given my care factor for that game was zilch. As I said in my first post, I had high hopes for this game when I got my town pm. Then I lost my phone in the train tracks which put a considerable dent into the day. Am I making an emotional play here, no I am not. Im am merely giving context for where my care factor is today even given my shitty start to the day. Hot Tip, its pretty high. 3 posts later? Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Caught up and re-read
Current reads:
Wave
Suki
Gumshoe
Calvalinho
toadesstern
ange777
jarjardrinks
vivax
geript
Holyflare
thechyz
rayn
Will expound in a bit. swamped @ work.
On February 26 2014 20:39 Holyflare wrote:
and your stance on the JJD thing was nothing to do with intimidation it's to do with the fact that you said to wave "even if it's not intimidation it gleans nothing about gumshoe's alignment", yet, in the next 2 pages of your filter the majority of it was nothing to do with discovering alignments and ALL to do with people "knowing" yours
the mafia mindset behind it is that you were under a lot of pressure in your mind and the first thing that goes through your mind was to post how you were playing to your town meta rather than your scum one and then jump on people that called you scum for reasoning you didn't understand rather than discuss it through to get people to have a different frame of mind on you and do more scum hunting. In fact, when I gave you the opportunity to explain your thought processes you said it's because you thought I was town and now you have completely backtracked on that and put me in your bottom 3 and so your explanation now holds 0 weight at all
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Toad the town atmosphere thing was cause of your and geript's argument which was something that looked like it would lead to nowhere. I already explained this, and also tried to improve the situation as you already acknowledged.
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Rayn put your vote on Moc. He said pregame he'd like to be town, Toad said he wants everything RNGd. It's fucking obvious that the hosts won't cater to individual players, unless they're best buddies.
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HF you have two or three posts highlighting in detail why mocsta shows scum mindset, then you question me about some stuff that gets answered anyway without you giving an update of how it changed your opinion. When suki comes back saying atmosphere is shit you instaswitch.
It's not at all clear that these other people show WAY more scummy things than Mocsta in your eyes, since I would argue that he's the guy you spent most of your arguments on.
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What case, he said he didn't like that post, but otherwise I'm a townread according to his spreadsheet, posted after the post he didn't like. A case is a summary of explanations explaining why somebody is scum.
I need to know if your axe is with me or with mocsta. And I gain from the last part that you think WoS should be looked at more closely.
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Well now you can explain in detail who between Mocsta and me is more likely to be scum and why, weighing in both arguments you have, cause I don't see suki getting lynched anywhere soon, and frankly I don't see her going back and reading my meta to conclude that I'm not the best lynch if she's scum.
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At least the beatiful thing when you're a lynch candidate is that you can judge people's intentions much better since you know your alignment.
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