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On February 20 2014 08:33 prplhz wrote: claiming Vanilli Townie What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:46 Koshi wrote: Can somebody make a case on me so I know who to vote for. well you're happy which = scum right? scum koshi would need to fake being happy whereas town koshi dgaf even though he is happy | ||
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i'm not on jayb's level of making cases based on starting emotion~ | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:14 suki wrote: Puppy <3 Yes. Actually. There is no downside to having your vote on someone else, especially this early in the game. Why is Rayn abstaining from even the miniscule amount of pressure a random vote has, and why does he think that abstaining is a good idea? (Rayn does that clear up my question for you) I see what rayn was thinking though. He thought the votes were permanent thus the people with 3 votes would be easier to lynch whereas the people with no votes would be much harder to lynch. That would actually be a cool mechanic. Once it was cleared up though it basically means nothing so the "plan" doesn't do anything. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote: Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games. | ||
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On February 20 2014 09:28 suki wrote: so by 'anything else', you mean you agree that what prplhz is saying is pressurable? That is, trying to implement a plan that allows people to effectively unvote is scummy? i dont necessarily think what he's pressuring on is going to lead anywhere but it is better than GENERIC talk since he thinks somebody is scummy for what they are saying... | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:42 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening. Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things. Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum? On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote: well when suki is scum, she constantly bitches about how stressful it is to be scum. Her early game back and forth with koshi makes her look very town to me. ~~ why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point. Maybe she bitches in the scum QT but not in thread. The back and forth with Koshi was almost all joking until she thought I was being scummy why is that townie? It's a similar opening to how she opened in her last town game but its not alignment indicative. As before that game she never opened like that at all. On February 20 2014 09:52 suki wrote: I think the reactions that are garnered from your stupid entry is a positive direction for town and that Balla's reaction to it specifically makes me think he is scum. As for you specifically, I think you can open this way as scum or town. Where did I even react to rayn's entry and why is it bad? I find half of your initial reasoning for pressuring me somewhat silly (i'm not being playful) and the other half somewhat deserved, but I don't think you're being consistent here: At first you were saying i'm scummy for being in "policy talk mode" and i was actively lurking and not pressuring people. But here you're saying it's because of my reaction which you didn't even reference or comment on before. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem is that there are now at least 4 people who have no interest in thinking of my motives behind my posts. I'll make a clarification after marv posts anyways, but there is something i want out of marv first. I'll explain that too after. Also rayn, did you still want to explain why you wanted marv to explain first? | ||
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On February 20 2014 13:52 suki wrote: Your reaction: So yeah. Policy talk mode. Not pressuring. Your 'reaction' to rayn's case was just a sort of backing-up rayn by explaining his point of view from your point of view. Let's get those gears moving Balla! What do you think of prplhz's pressure on rayn? Who do you find scummy right now? kk so basically cause I didn't open with an early pressure vote. The back and forth between rayn and him is fine and dandy and created lots of discussion. I don't see anything bad in there, except maybe prplhz's attack on you which was cleared up pretty quickly. I don't find anybody scummy yet, we'll see what happens when the smurf comes back. I'm interested in oats and the smurf atm. I'd like oats to respond to why he thinks you and toad look bad. | ||
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On February 20 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote: Balla, why are you interested in Smurf at the moment? I asked him a few questions and he has not answered. His entrance in regards to me and prplhz was weird and serious yet there was no followup on prplhz and his reasoning on townreading me was weak. I want him to explain. On Koshi: This is koshi specific: but I think immediately buddying up to people and asking his (hopefully) town reads to kick ass is more likely to come from town Koshi. ##vote sidesprang I am in full support of policy lynching sidesprang. You need to play, you don't need to play like an annoying player that you have been recently. No seals, no gimmicky one liners all day. Play like you used to its funner pls. | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote: That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?" Balla24 needs lynching ##vote Balla24 The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that... | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:19 Palmar wrote: Bad Balla. Vote someone else. Why? I want him to post. This is definitely his waking hours he should have posted something meaningful already. | ||
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It might make him post more who knows, you're undermining it right now though. | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:28 Palmar wrote: In fact your pressure is as cheap as it gets, and the townie response in that situation would be "I just don't know who to kill so whatever, kill the lazy guy" But instead you're trying to pass it off as something useful. Sure, whatever. That's just like your opinion man. ^_^ Moving on: Suki's case on Koshi is really bad, and weird. I wouldn't expect suki to jump on Koshi like that. She likes making decently early cases but the subject is not good. Particularly this part: On February 20 2014 23:44 suki wrote: His reads on people have no effort put into them. He's calling random people town for no reason and people scum for no reason. He's saying Balla and I might be intimidated by the player pool as if it's scummy and yet he's not only not posting his thoughts he's just sheeping the strong players in the thread. I know Koshi hates rolling scum and doesn't feel like playing when he's scum. I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping. ##unvote ##vote Koshi This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that. It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game. For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote: Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory. Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote: I agree tbh. It felt awkward ##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote: Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec. What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm. | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:35 marvellosity wrote: Can you explain how? Is your thought process. 1) I want to pressure sidesprang into voting, a random vote after everyone's already talked about him will definitely do it 2) sidesprang sees people say it's useless and decides not to post after all, because otherwise the random one-vote pressure would definitely have made him post yes? or what? First off sidesprang is a player I don't expect to read the thread very carefully, especially this long ass thread. So I don't expect him to find every bit of talking about him. So maybe a vote will stand out. It's undermining it because people are calling it shit when sidesprang hasn't even come in yet, I don't think it will make that big of a difference. If you find me scummy for it fine but don't say it's not going to do anything. Secondly, I KNOW it will do something, because sidesprang obviously voted me for a reason. Maybe he wants to get a reaction, I don't know what that reason is, but I'm giving it to him in hopes that he will come back after seeing my reaction. Specifically me voting and talking about him is better than you guys because he is targetting me. If it wasn't then maybe he would have said some stuff after you guys talked about him. | ||
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On February 20 2014 12:57 VIVAX420 wrote: originally i thought it was super scummy but im second guessing myself now. Just seems like the depth of thought involved in that post is pretty townie, because it comes from reading the game with a suspicious mindset. There's a bunch of stuff that is not saying anything about somebody's alignment. I really would have expected kush to call someone scum by now. Kush who is scum? | ||
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On February 21 2014 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games. Just so you know I'm specifically referencing how you might think my opening is similar to how I opened in those scum games, it could for sure be seen as similar somewhat. That's all... I don't want to be the guy who talks about his own meta so i'll leave it at that unless people want me to go at it. | ||
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I just realized he's just following up on what he said pre-game about insta voting me. It's likely he just hasn't had time to commit to the game yet to post anything meaningful and instead just did the insta vote for lulz i guess, kind of annoying but w/e. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Balla who's scum besides sidesprang? ATM kush, the smurf and suki are questionable but I think kush is mafia. | ||
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and the smurf needs to catch up with the thread and answer my questions | ||
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On February 21 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote: Guess I got to read balla games tomorrow. There might be something to it. Maybe he is being sneaky. Is there a reason you're not doing that today? | ||
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On February 21 2014 05:38 suki wrote: I'm back. All of you people who are calling me scum are wrong. Balla is most definitely scum. Balla's words and his actions do not coincide. He starts the game saying hey Koshi lets start something, but Koshi has already voted him and is telling me to vote Balla. Yet Balla doesn't jump on Koshi because Balla 'wanted him to post his reasoning'. Since when does Balla wait for someone to post? Balla's town play is balls to the wall in your face aggressive. Do you know what Balla does when he's town? He questions people. He pressures them. If he thinks someone is scummy he takes what they said and he questions what they meant. He asks them for reads. If he's on you he's so damn annoying you just want him to shut up, whether you're town or scum at the time. This game, he looks like he's trying to explain scum reads, rather than find scum. He's saying this person is scummy because so and so. His vote on sidesprang was weak as shit, not only because it's on a lurker, but because he just said 'Hey dude post more'. There's no questioning to try to get sidesprang out into the open despite his claims that his vote is pressure. He didn't start shit with Koshi when Koshi voted him, and when I voted him and provided reasoning he didn't fight back he just said 'hey that makes sense but don't worry I'll pressure'. He thinks me, sidesprang and kush are scum but isn't doing anything about it. Like, Balla, why are you making a case against me being scum instead of lunging at my neck like a starved rottweiler? You said my opening was non-alignment indicative and you said my case on Koshi was bad and that somehow the case being bad makes me scummy because I would town-read Koshi better the way you are town-reading him. ##unvote ##vote Balla My actions most certainly do coincide. Koshi didn't even vote me he just asked you if you thought I was scum. I was waiting for his reasoning, I even asked him to post it. How is that not exactly what I said? I didn't say you were scum, I said questionable! There are a lot of things that are making you look town to me but that case on Koshi was bad and I would not expect that from you considering how well you were improving your meta cases recently it doesn't fit at all with what we learned about Koshi. All your cases are reads on me/koshi this game are based on meta of our openings and they are bad. Read what I said about it, and elaborate on it because it the conclusions you are making about koshi do not follow from the games you are referencing. Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy are my scumreads, neither are here. You are being a little weird with your cases, sidesprang needs to post, I don't know if he's town or scum. My vote was explained in response to marv, but after I realized that it was a pre-game plan it doesn't hold as much weight. Why don't you take that into consideration? | ||
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On February 21 2014 05:51 suki wrote: Since when and why are Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy your scum reads, and why does them not being here mean anything? You want me to be pressuring people, those are the people i've tried to pressure yet they aren't here. Rayn JUST asked me like an hour ago and the lead up to that I already explained. Can you please elaborate on the koshi case? If not then at least comment on him now, has he done anything that is not consistent with your read? | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:07 suki wrote: Koshi is leaning more town for me now. I went back and read the thread, particularly the points where rayn and company were talking about him, and decided that he is more likely to be town. Do you agree with what I said about how Koshi is more likely to do a lot of the stuff you said he was doing as town based on our last 2 games? On February 21 2014 06:08 suki wrote: Balla let's pretend they are here right now. What are you going to ask Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy when they get in the thread? The good news is, once you've done this, you don't even have to post again when they come back because they'll see your question and respond! Suki I already did this -_- hence why you don't find anything else!!!!! | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:11 suki wrote: Ah nevermind I see you did ask the questions. Are those questions still the ones you want answered or do you have others? The questions to CuteFluffyPuppy in particular are from much earlier in the game. They haven't been back since, promethelax didnt catch up far enough before he left so what else do you want me to ask about? | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:13 suki wrote: Balla do you think I'm scum? Undecided atm. | ||
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I think the thread actually has a decent atmosphere... what's so bad about it? | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Because scum wants to call people that aren't scum scum. I've used the same method myself. Making something out of nothing is what scum have to do, whereas town has little motivation for it. As for why he got no pressure; it's because I found Palmar more interesting by the time I got back, so I pursued that instead. I also came around on Prplhz simply for the amount of attention he was drawing to himself, which I find atypical of his scum game, though that's based on a small sample. What about me being curious -> townie? You gave an easy townread for me just asking a simple question. | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:36 suki wrote: Can you spell it out for me cuz I don't know what you're talking about here. -_-; Basically my whole point with that post was that Koshi would most likely do all that stuff YOU were pointing that you thought was scummy out as town rather than as scum. Marv is saying the same thing. Yet you're trying to say you disagree with me but you agree with marv. On February 21 2014 06:37 VIVAX420 wrote: my problem with toad was 100% different fom yours. then you morphed it into this thing about misunderstanding rayn. wha tyou were saying was actually total bs. Got into to argument about how well toad knows rayn. That is how I know you are mafia. YUour logic is based on total bs. Kush who is scum? | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:49 VIVAX420 wrote: that whole suki balla thing looks like some boring shit between townies. so tldr What did you think about my early game, people are saying it is like my scum games. You played in both, do you agree? | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:52 VIVAX420 wrote: balla the only thing ive seen from you in scum games is inactivity. from your activity aloneyou are a pretty easy townread imo. Hmm. That's not what I remember. You used to scumread me early for "not doing shit" and being a "scumhunter extraordinaire yet not doing anything", I feel like I didn't do MUCH in the early game and other people agree yet this game you are not saying the same thing. Sure activity ended up being a major factor but still, the early read from you is missing. | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:57 VIVAX420 wrote: yeah but i thought you were better than i now realize you are. suck on that. Rofl ok~ you're probably scum, cause that's a terrible reason and seems made up on the fly. | ||
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On February 21 2014 07:04 suki wrote: So are you saying kush is scum because he doesn't agree that your early game looks scummy? Don't twist my words here lol!! I'm saying kush is scum because he doesn't seem interested in anybody's alignments like usual. I would have expected to call me scum FOR my early game because it is a bit similar to other times he called me scum, not that my early game IS scummy. The reason he came up for not doing so is because he thinks i'm bad now? That's ridiculous. There's other points where kush is not interested in finding out alignments he is just making generic waffly statements and mostly asking boring generic questions. Which is what my first post about kush was based on that I think you missed because you keep asking where my kush read came from even though it's there. | ||
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On February 21 2014 07:07 suki wrote: Or I guess it's this - so kush's reason for townreading you is so terrible he must be scum. No, not his reasoning for townreading me. His reasoning for not jumping on me for "not doing shit" like he normally does. His reason for townreading me is ok since it's based on activity but it's not a solid townread. It is something I would expect him to throw out though. | ||
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On February 21 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Toad This wagon is terrible, I don't even know what idiot started it. Can you answer suki here about why you did vote kush in the first place? On February 21 2014 06:05 suki wrote: @Palmar why did you vote kush right after marv said kush looks scummy? Earlier in the game you thought kush looked town and provided a lot of quotes: What changed? | ||
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I don't see any possible reason for you to withhold that reasoning. Regardless, if you think suki and I are scummy. Then why are you voting toad? What do you think of toad's case on me beyond "I don't believe it", why don't you believe it etc etc... What about suki's case on me? and has your opinion of suki changed since you sheeped on rayn? She's posted plenty since then. | ||
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On February 21 2014 09:58 marvellosity wrote: did rayn really call me mafia and then run away? What terribly poor form. I think he was waiting on suki to say something about it... not sure exactly what his goal was but I think it has something to do with her and not just you. She was just there though so I'm not sure why she disappeared right as he started doing that. | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:05 suki wrote: Why would his vote on marv specifically have to do with me Balla and not anyone else? He's specifically pinging both you and marv as scum together. What set him off was you and marv's interaction about koshi/fluffypuppy, which means there is probably some associative reasoning within there as well. | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:09 suki wrote: I see... Why should I care that rayn is calling me and marv out as scum when he doesn't provide any reasons at all? It's just noise. You shouldn't. What you should do is try to see what he's seeing or try to figure out what he's doing. What do you think he sees in regards to marv? What do you think his goal was? | ||
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This is the second time he's done a "does anybody else see what I see?" type of play. | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:21 marvellosity wrote: That's not how I'd term it. I think he thinks it's self-evident. I read it again and apparently because I said it's hard to fake looking careless as mafia then I'm mafia? No idea really. I think I see more than that, and i'll elaborate but I do want suki to answer what she thinks first. | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:22 suki wrote: Rayn is a tough one for me. I don't know why he does half the things he does. I think his haphazard style of play feels like the town game I played with him so I do think he is town. People have already asked him what his vote on you is for so I don't see the need to ask it myself, and really that's the only question I would ask regarding that vote. The guy just did a completely unexplained vote on marv and calling you the second scum after a conversation between you and marv and you town read him without even trying to figure out his motives? Answer these questions: On February 21 2014 10:11 Balla24 wrote: You shouldn't. What you should do is try to see what he's seeing or try to figure out what he's doing. What do you think he sees in regards to marv? What do you think his goal was? | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:42 suki wrote: It seems like the bulk of rayn's suspicions against marv started on page 41, when marv and I were interacting. Maybe he thought the back and forth was fake? Like, two scum having a discussion with each other? Maybe he doesn't like the fact that marv is not sticking to a read on Balla and I and saying he has to re-read everything. Then marv calls me out for copying him and I say yeah because I think you're town and rayn is like this is too contrived they must be scum together. If it's some sort of strange association theory about why marv and I are scum buddies then why should I care about it? He's been calling me scum all game and he's been wrong this whole time so any sort of association theory he has about me and someone else is worthless. The town rayn I know tends to get ideas in his head and act impulsively so I don't see his actions as scummy. And if you can explain his 'I thought this was about Koshi? WHAT??!?!!!' post then please go ahead because I can't follow his line of thought. + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2014 08:29 marvellosity wrote: I dunno, I gotta re-read everything you and balla said to each other. Didn't parse it very well the first time and it seems like it should be important. My point with the Koshi thing is you're effectively calling him out for the same thing you did in the first place. On February 21 2014 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv marv...... On February 21 2014 08:37 suki wrote: If you're saying I'm not giving reads and not analyzing . . . Well I am trying. I want to hear your opinion on me because it seems you've been picking at my words for a while but not actually coming out and saying whether you think that makes me town or scum. On February 21 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are scum.. On February 21 2014 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is marv scum too? On February 21 2014 08:41 marvellosity wrote: It's extremely difficult to look "naturally" careless. I've played more scumgames than anyone else on TL Mafia and I have an exceptional record and I can't really do it. On February 21 2014 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I thought this was about Koshi? WHAT??!?!!! On February 21 2014 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay this answer is scum. marv is mafia. ##unvote #vote: marvellosoty OH GOD THIS IS SO GOOD! Maybe about the association theory stuff, he might see it as fake or he might think marv would be MORE aggressive towards what he was picking at you for or something like that. I think its possible too that he thinks your both mafia thus a scum team and not that your interaction looked sketchy. In regards to what he saw for marv, this: On February 21 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: because now you talk shit. and onlt shit. Leads me to believe that he thinks marv has stopped doing stuff and was doing a lot of useless posting. For example, part of the conversation he had with kush, the teasing of prplhz, how people can't understand his posts. The "I thought this was about Koshi" was about this, but I don't know why he posted that cause he could have just tried to figure it out himself. You guys were talking about Koshi, but only because you were picking at CFP for it and marv thought it was hypocritical. On February 21 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote: That's not what I'm saying. I picked holes in your Koshi case and now you're picking effectively the same holes in what Mr Smurf said. Not that you're not giving reads or analysing or something, dunno how you even thought that? I thought your case made you quite suspicious but I don't have a firm opinion on you until I read your exchange with Balla again. Rayn probably lightly thought you could be a scumteam so he decided to do an unexplained vote to see what your reactions would be. | ||
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On February 21 2014 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote: So if he comes up with absolute crap he is scum but if he posts nothing he is town? I dont see the connection here. nothing changed really although I really didnt like smurfs play by play of the thread so hes scummier. What didn't you like? Just cause he went page by page? | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote: why do you care suki? Can you explain the motivation behind this oats? | ||
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Anyways, I think prplhz, suki are town for now. prplhz started off from his very first post trying to start conversation, when that didn't work he tried something else. He has been very active in trying to push the thread in a positive direction and it's pretty clear that has been his goal the entire game based on how he's reacting to the thread on his returns to it: On February 21 2014 06:24 prplhz wrote: this game is all over the place Following that he continues to pressure people and it's pretty clear where he is going to lynch and who he thinks is scum and why. Everything is clear and transparent from him compared to plenty of other guys in this thread who are masking their activities and reasoning. He is also thinking a lot like me, especially recently with his kush and palmar pressure so that's a plus. suki is also probably town. Even though I don't like her approach to some people like Koshi and rayn, it seems like classic suki. She's hopping around between the people she accuses, reacting to their defenses. She often does that as town whereas as scum she's a lot more rigid with her reads (granted, she only has 1 scum game and that was a while ago). You can see that in Normal Mini Mafia, shadowed (non-reboot). + Show Spoiler [reactional suki] + On January 21 2014 09:52 suki wrote: You know what, I agree with you Barristan. I think Zarepath's case on VE is just a list of points that tries to squeeze out any sort of scumminess. It's weak, but he sounds like he's trying so hard to make it work. His follow up posts are all trying to keep up the pressure on VE. Compared to the filter linked by Barristan, Zarepath's tone has changed completely. In his previous game filter he had no problem listing off a bunch of people who he thought were scummy, and doing a bunch of analysis. In this game he's only talked about VE and no one else, and VE is not the only suspicious person in this game. ##unvote ##vote Zarepath I'm going to lay off VE for a bit. Pressuring him is going nowhere and I think he's defended well. On January 22 2014 02:21 suki wrote: Yeah ok. Re-reading again, this post reads townie to me. Particularly the part where he points out that his case was ignored, I think for scum it doesn't matter if people listen to their arguments as long as a townie is getting lynched, so pointing out his post reads more town. Tunneling can be done by town, stretching cases too far is also possible for a really tryhard town. Zarepath's switch to bum doesn't make sense if both of them are scum. And I agree that bum looks scummy. ##unvote ##vote bumatlarge On January 22 2014 06:00 suki wrote: I actually really really like everything here. Many of these things I didn't consider previously. One other thing I was eyeing was Crossfire's soft defense of Zarepath earlier in the game. Couple this with Zarepath including Crossfire into his list just now (alongside a really stupid desire to lynch WileE)... I think there's a good chance of them being scumbuddies. ##unvote ##vote Zarepath On January 22 2014 06:56 suki wrote: ##unvote Zarepath obviously did not have a fakeclaim, his reaction was genuine. On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote: So right now Oats is super scummy to me. His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views: This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it. Who is Oats willing to lynch today? (... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.) Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches? He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out? Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth: Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case. When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. ##vote Oatsmaster On February 05 2014 14:54 suki wrote: I think Oatsmaster's defense addresses my case sufficiently, and I like the direction he's taken after defending himself. That is, his tunnel on Hopeless. I've noted that previously as town he correctly called out hopeless for being scum in TL Mafia XLIII: Time to Die, basically for lurking and not contributing. He is doing the same here in his pressure on Hopeless. I'm still waiting on Hopeless to contribute something to the thread. Most of his posts are defense posts and fluff, he keeps promising content but hasn't delivered. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der At this point I also would be happy to lynch LoneMeow. He's done absolutely nothing this game. I think sidesprang's contributed more to this game in his one big post than LoneMeow has in his entire filter. On February 06 2014 01:31 suki wrote: ##unvote ##vote cakemanofdoom Hopeless is making sense. cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking. Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic. + Show Spoiler [Confident Scum Suki] + On January 07 2014 09:49 suki wrote: Hey guys, I'm back. First and foremost I think it's prudent to address the person that strikes me as the number one scum in the game: theDragoon The more I read these posts the more I dislike them. He's basically stating that he knows Asuna's "excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt" are due to her inexperience, and he's not leaving any room to interpret them as scummy. How would a town Dragoon be so sure? I'm more and more confident that the 'knows more about Asuna' line really is a scum slip. Other things that scream scum to me: theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline. - Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency. His statement that Balla is rising up on his suspicions list with Balla's 'immediate' jump to lynch him. - More of the same His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up. - Scummy enough, and he even admits that he's flip-flopping His top scum reads are Day_Walker because he doesn't like that Day_Walker has a town read on him (???), and me, because he thinks I'm too eager to scumhunt (also ???). And aside from his knee-jerk suspicions thrown at OWB, Balla and now Derrida he hasn't contributed any other reads. + Show Spoiler + His top 2 scum read post: I'm not good enough at this game to get scum reads from forum posts. If you REALLY want me to give my top 2 most suspicious people are: Day_Walker: If I don't buy his town read on me, why should I believe his other reads. I've got the most votes on me right now and I want to see if Day_Walker still thinks I'm a townie. suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia. And finally under all this pressure then he says his play is due to him being new to the game and self-destructs. I feel a lot of frustration in Dragoon's most recent posts, and I kind of feel bad for him since he is new to Mafia and this is a really gut-wrenching game, but I really do think his inexperience is his downfall and that there's no way he's not mafia here. ##vote theDragoon More analysis on its way. If there's anything you want me to answer post it; I'll be here for a bit. On January 07 2014 15:33 suki wrote: Mmm.. I'm not biting. This isn't good townie logic. Excuses, bandwagoning and self-doubt may be signs of newbie town, but they are also signs of mafia. You can't excuse someone for displaying mafia traits just because you display them. Again, it feels like you know that Asuna is a newbie town and that's what's suspicious here. The pro-town thing to do in your spot is to post the best analysis you can on the scummiest people you can find. This just feels like a last-ditch attempt to try to throw suspicion on everyone who voted you under the pretense of a "defense post" and see if someone bites. On January 07 2014 15:42 suki wrote: I think I was pretty clear in my posts as to why I think Dragoon is scum. I feel that his defense of Asuna is a major scum slip and the more he tries to justify it the more I believe it. Dragoon has also not played a pro-town game at all. His only scum reads have been on those who are attacking him, and he hasn't even taken the time to properly form a case. Like, I still don't know why he thinks I'm scummy I think that's the only reason he's given as to why I'm scum. Here is his defense post on me: Where is the analysis? He's just blindly attacking me because hey, I straight up said he's the scummiest person in the game. Same with the other people he's called out. I'd be very surprised if he bleeds green because his play has not been pro-town at all. On January 08 2014 01:06 suki wrote: Directed to Balla: Several recent quotes from Balla: + Show Spoiler + This is the most one sided lynch ever. I'm sorry but this should seriously be making you weary (suki/jonnylaw). The people who are not voting seem to also be tentatively saying that they are ok with the lynch if it were to happen now, besides Day_walker who probably is thinking along the same lines of this tbh. I'm searching for a new target. I really don't like how hard you lurked today sidesprang, so I'd lynch you just based on that, but other than that, I find Derrida pretty scummy. Ugh it's just so hard because I totally can see how scum would buss their teammate in this current situation. It's different than other one-sided lynches in the previous games because of how dragoon shut-down. Like I would totally buss him.. If I were scum, I would probably begin to buss him after he self-voted, so i'd look @ Derrida, suki and sidesprang (if im jsut looking at it chronologically, jonnylaw too) I mean, let's be honest, there is 100% for sure scum in the people who already voted him. Having them have a forced hand on what they think about him might be a good thing. It's gonna be a weight on EVERYONE's back, not just towns. I agree that the lynch on theDragoon is going smoothly, however that could just be mafia seeing the writing on the wall and deciding not to oppose. I agree that the smoothness of the lynch needs to be considered, however in the end we should still be lynching the scummiest person. Do you disagree? Also, you were the second person to vote for theDragoon, and your vote hasn't changed since then. I just want to clarify, do you still find theDragoon to be the most scummy? On January 13 2014 23:43 suki wrote: Alright I'm here. I had a reread through TheChyz's filter and I think he's been slipping hard since Day 2 ended. Here is TheChyz's conversation with Balla during Night 2, bolded parts for emphasis: + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2014 03:52 TheChyz wrote: Anyways I still want to reread some peoples filters to make sure I didn't confuse things between people and I'll have my explanation before night ends, but can you post yours aswell Balla : "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later." On January 12 2014 03:57 Balla24 wrote: Also: there's 3 hours left, if I were going to post it I would have plenty of time to post it. I lost faith in the theory anyways. On January 12 2014 04:03 TheChyz wrote: And Balla, thats a bullshit reason not to make your post. You said "Day 3 is going to be fun if what i'm thinking is happening. Will post about it later" and since you keep pestering others to explain their thoughts, I expect you to do the same. On January 12 2014 04:06 Balla24 wrote: NO fuck that that's so scummy. It's pretty obvious what I had to say was due to night actions. You're pretty silly if you can't see that. So why would I post it 3 HOURS before the night is over and let mafia plan around that. MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH: Why are you pushing me so hard for it? I'm clearly active. This is SO fricking scummy from you Chyz. Do you need it to make a decision on what to do with your scum buddy? On January 12 2014 04:22 TheChyz wrote: @Balla What is so scummy about it, your doing the exact same thing from everybody else and forcing them to explain things, what makes you such a special case that whenever you say something we should just let you pass cause your active? Jonny (i think) said that you are active both scum and town so I find no reason why you felt that posting that you will post your thoughts later and then now not wanting to is scummy from me. Seems like your being very defensive. And you don't have to post now, just before night ends (even if its 1 sec before) On January 12 2014 05:00 TheChyz wrote: I didn't skip it, it will be done before the night ends. still got time. First off, I feel that TheChyz's pressure on Balla is really off. He pressures Balla for not providing his reads, and Balla replies there's still three hours before the night is over. TheChyz calls bullshit on Balla's reasoning. Following that, Balla asks TheChyz for analysis, and TheChyz simply replies there's still time. This inconsistency stands out to me, and I think there's a very good reason for it if you assume TheChyz is mafia - He wants to know what Balla's reads are before he posts his own analysis. There is no reason to assume Balla is not 1-shot vig as he claimed, and yet TheChyz seems to be getting ready to throw suspicion at Balla. Perhaps if Balla had his reads completely wrong and had posted them early enough, scum may have kept Balla alive. TheChyz posts his analysis at 2:58, 2 minutes before the deadline. Balla posts his at 2:59. The day post is posted at 3:02. Asuna has also made a strong case against TheChyz, the most striking of which is: Looking at his 'setup analysis' where he wrongly concludes that there is a SK, it may just have been a ploy to root out the remaining blue role, which he was successful at doing now that Asuna has role claimed. TheChyz tries to reason his way out by saying it was intentional or that it was due to his english, however I think there's enough evidence to strongly say that he screwed up in Night 2 and Day 3 and revealed himself through his actions and words. ##unvote ##vote TheChyz On January 14 2014 06:09 suki wrote: Just popping in to say that if theChyz flips scum in an hour, and I'm pretty sure he will, then BigDad is definitely his scumbuddy. TheChyz has been defending BigDad all game while not being under any pressure himself due to his Day 1 antics. It makes sense for a scum who is treated like a townie to back up his buddy who is under suspicion. At the beginning of the game BigDad stated a soft defense of TheChyz ("I'm leaning toward Balla and TheChyz being townie"), when TheChyz was under pressure for his antics, but ever since that post BigDad has put mild pressure against TheChyz until his full on bus today. The fact that BigDad has never closely analyzed TheChyz I think makes sense if both of them are scum. I think we've solved the game guys :D I'm getting jitters anticipating the flip. Unfortunately I have a dinner with my family so I'll miss the deadline but I'll pop back on as soon as I can. (Literally just took these from a previous meta case on her which you can read here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=50#982, even though the case was wrong for that game specifically, I think a lot of the points hold true) Another thing is she's has good followups to everything and is not afraid to be engaging the town powerhouses (marv, rayn) in conversation, which I was in my first mafia game together with rayn at least. This point isn't as good without flips though. Her lightheartedness and frustration that nobody is playing around with her in the opening of the game also feels townie to me. Her activity and pressure is good too, she's actively questioning people and creating a good town atmosphere. Her filter is getting up there which is good considering her last town game (9pages on d1). Beyond the non-questioning of rayn's motives and the weird case on koshi she feels good, and I think at least the rayn motive point is something she would ignore generally. Kush and Toad are likely mafia I think. I'd lynch both. Everybody else is questionable... Kush has been pretty inactive for kush first off. From what i've played with him, he always opens asking for people to start shit and calls people out immediately when their posts are useless, he didn't do any of that here and there has been plenty of useless posts, even when people are talking to him. I think his reactions to questioning and pressure are bad and I don't think he has any real reasoning for any of the reads he has given out because they look fake. On February 20 2014 23:59 VIVAX420 wrote: eh ill bet anyone toad is town. I dont really get marv's case against him. He's a lynch bait player isn't he? lynch bait players usually look less scummy as town. Plus I don't like the people pushing him. On February 21 2014 06:57 VIVAX420 wrote: yeah but i thought you were better than i now realize you are. suck on that. on rayn/marv: On February 21 2014 07:01 VIVAX420 wrote: because i thoght there arguments looked fake His only scum reads are rayn and marv because their "arguments looked fake" so it's just straight up associative and has nothing to with them individually, I find it hard to believe that anybody would think that when reading them. I would have really expected him to be on my case earlier instead of others and especially when others were on my case, the last couple of games he was. He was pressuring me into posting a fuck ton and then when I didn't he decided I was scum. He didn't even comment on me. Toad's only scum read seems to be me. That's pretty bad... especially considering his case on me was almost solely based on early game meta, and even though I agree that my early game could possibly be interpreted as similar to my scum games, I think he was purposefully misrepresenting both what I was saying in the early game, and the context which you can see what I said about it here: On February 21 2014 02:22 Balla24 wrote: The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that... I find it weird that someone would write a meta case on what LITTLE i had in the thread at that time, especially in comparison to what everybody else was doing in regards to me which was just "wait and see". I think it's a weak attempt to try to draw attention to someone who opened pretty weakly. I think it's annoying that he focused so heavily on the rayn subject and responding to questioning about it. May not be his fault, but even if I was in his shoes I would have attempted to get my opinions out on somebody else as well. I wasn't around so I don't know how rapid fire this stuff was going on. As soon as it ended he wrote a case on me and then nothing else. Looking forward to his contributions in the rest of the day. Rayn, marv, CFP are all pretty questionable. Rayn is obviously hard to read. As either alignment he is balls to the walls with content, calling out every little thing. The trend I see is generally as town rayn has a real reasoning for everything and actually follows through with his reads, whereas as scum he is just picking on every little thing to cause a shit show in the thread and he's also much more abrasive. I can't tell which one he is doing now obviously, but the 2 times he has done a "does anybody see what I'm seeing play" reads townie. Marv is generating a LOT of content and asking plenty of good questions. But he also seems content to just sit within a shit storm and let it happen/contribute to it which is scummy. He has one instance of trying to move the thread forward during one of those shit storms (during the toad debacle) in which he suggests to move forward since we aren't going to get anything more out of it, however that was way after and was actually producing useful content. I'm referencing things like his conversation with kush. CFP, one of those players who I was referencing who I can't remember what he's done. Even after reading his filter -_- all I remember is his line of questioning vs palmar. I'd be fine with him dying because of it. His read-through of the thread didn't really produce any good content and he hasn't done anything after that besides bitch about how . I liked his followup to my questions so that's good. Everyone else I have commented on recently I think and are all questionable. TLDR: would lynch kush/toad atm, suki and prplhz probably town, would be ok with CFP dying but not high on my priority list, would also be ok with oats dying because i'm always uncomfortable with oats but nothing sticks compared to the norm. | ||
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On February 21 2014 17:46 Koshi wrote: Balla: Not as impressive as in our Shadowed ownage game. He and suki say I am not the same as in the shadowed game but I am the same but I just don't have the luck some guy was extremely scummy and I could put my ass on him. But this Balla guy was actually really hardcore giant case hardtry stuff last game. This game that fire isn't here. at all. Got to read the Toad stuff on Balla and think. Wtf koshi, I was against suki here saying you do look like your shadowed game. On February 21 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote: Actually Balla is kinda terrible for not realising i'm blates town after all, given he thinks the target i brought up and pushed is mafia and his other mafia target is one i brought something to the table with as well. Bad Balla. Sure you're thinking a lot like me with your reads BUT if you read the reason that you're not blates town is because you are content to be shitting up the thread with someone at some points. I don't know you, you're really good obviously. It's similar to rayn where if he likes to shit up the thread when he's mafia and take away from the focus that town has. You have a good focus though on toad and its only in short bursts. On February 21 2014 23:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: @Balla I don't know if your meta case holds water because it's easier to be a town leader in a newbie game rather than in a game that is partially occupied by vets. When someone like Rayn or Marv comments on your ideas and call them shit, you're more likely to adapt than when Newbie43 whom has no authority says maybe the ideas aren't great. I don't think Suki received the amount of pressure in her newbie game to warrant using that as an accurate tell. The situations feel incomparable. I'd like to hear which posts by Suki make you feel she's clearly town. As for Kush, I remember him asking a host in a game before participating if he would be allowed to play with one post a day. He's also had large filters as scum before. Activity is not a scumtell for Kush. I think the strongest thing that makes Kush scum is the contradiction on what Marv saw earlier. That's a fair point on suki, though I really doubt that her change to her mafia game would be to stumble between reads with the amount of pressure she gets here. I feel like she would become even more rigid and stubborn vs people like marv, rayn, palmar. The one thing that was nagging me about her was her vote on kush. It seemed fake and out of place like she was trying to appease to this meta read that she probably knew was coming. Everything else reads like the suki I've played with. On kush: Activity is only one thing. There's other points there. | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:02 VIVAX420 wrote: yeah i am realizing how scummy balla is. He scumread me for not scumreading him! That's not 100% what I was getting at, but sure... | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote: Balla, if marv isn't going for a retarded big filter in the big shadow game, he is not going to bother with it in this game. Don't waste your time thinking he is scum. I'm not!!! Jesus. What does it matter if i put him as obv town or slightly town ... there was stuff that was annoying me that's atll!! Fine he's obv town who cares what difference does it make holy crap | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:05 Palmar wrote: No waiting Balla, post it. If you take more than 2 minutes, I'm assuming you're making up having a list. what are you talking about waiting for what? | ||
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On February 21 2014 08:32 Balla24 wrote: I don't see any possible reason for you to withhold that reasoning. Regardless, if you think suki and I are scummy. Then why are you voting toad? What do you think of toad's case on me beyond "I don't believe it", why don't you believe it etc etc... What about suki's case on me? and has your opinion of suki changed since you sheeped on rayn? She's posted plenty since then. | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:11 Palmar wrote: oh, I see that tl;dr post I ignored was kind of a list. nvm then, carry on. i mean... the whole post was a list... just providing indepth reasoning for the mafia/town part and little reasoning for the questionable people and why they arent in the mafia and town section | ||
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Why did you vote marv without explaining? It was absolutely not obvious what you were seeing. I thought it was for a reaction but it clearly wasn't. | ||
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Suki made bad cases in normal mini mafia 1 which you played with her and she was town, do you disagree completely with that meta of her that I posted? Why would this game be different for her... | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toad's play makes no sense from mafia perspective and at the start of the game noone payed attention to marv's case on him enough to vote for him and now pretty much everyone is voting for him. Noone has even given any reasoning for their votes other than marv and Palmar. Why did he make that shitty case on me that he's barely pushing and not even following up with anymore even though there is way more content for him to meta now? | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:27 Koshi wrote: The content is just fine, Balla. pls. It's 14 fucking pages and nobody found anything scummy or got an "off" feeling about a series of posts. So pls gooby, pls. It was more meant as to why rayn isn't agreeing with people calling him town for his filter size. | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i have seen his scum games. I have also lynched him on D1 and D2 in those games. Based on those games I find it really hard to believe you actually think a lot of what you're saying right now about me and about suki.... This whole seems so convoluted from you rayn. | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Balla's scumread on Toad is so terrible it can't possibly come from a townie. It has nothing to do with what Toad has done in this game and how it makes him mafia. ROFL dude WHAT? Please do the thing where you paraphrase people's cases and show me how that's true, pls pls pls!!!! | ||
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On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously, look at this: 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? 1) NOPE. His entire case was based on the early game which is so non-indicative of my alignment ESPECIALLY when you purposefully misrepresent what I was saying. Why do you ignore that line? That's important. 2) How is that NOT scummy? To jump the gun on someone to act like you've done something. Tell me rayn, what has toad done AFTER this that is any sort of real contribution? 3) Toad has done 3 things this game. - Bitch to you and marv about I don't even remember what you guys were arguing about - Call me mafia by misrepresenting me -Say he will do other stuff then not do it. | ||
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On February 21 2014 05:50 Toadesstern wrote: Mmh, don't really have anything on Suki that I find that interesting to talk about. Some odd things but except for the "I want to lynch this guy [...here are about 20 lines of text...] but I'd totally be fine to lynch Toad if my vote is needed!" nothing that make me feel strongly in either direction about her. Given that I couldn't find anything of importance while trying to look through her I'd say it's time to look at Oats instead for now and well, still Balla tomorrow and Sidesprang when and if he starts to post. Like he promises things and NEVER does them. The only thing he followed up on in this sentence is this about me: On February 21 2014 19:54 Toadesstern wrote: I'm calling you a liar because you're a liar. I've got you in my bottom 5 people if that makes you happy. I wouldn't exactly call that townie and if you look through my filter you'll actually find me mentioning you doing weird shit like that a lot. I don't have a case on you so I'm left with that, especially since I still think Balla's an awesome lynch for today. Also no, I'm not painting myself as a luseless douchebag, if you had actually read what I posted you would have read that I said pregame that I wanted to change my style, I EXACTLY pointed out what I'm talking about in that post you're quoting and if I don't follow up feel free to lynch me based on that. I'm not going to be the usual hypno-Toad this game. Where he doesn't even say anything about why i'm STILL a good lynch. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) wrong. He saw something scummy based one meta and called you out of it. You said you could play like this as scum. That makes Toad's argument not scummy. Maybe wrong, but you can't possibly say it's scummy to call something scummy scummy. That's just retarded. 2) It's not scummy, it's pressure. I don't need to tell you what Toad has done after that, that was not a part of your case. Don't change your argument in the middle of one. That's bullshit. 3) So what? That's not what you say in the last paragraph. You don't say it's scummy and you don't explain why it's scummy. You say you need to hear more from him. That's what you say, not "scummy", but "need to hear more". If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. On February 22 2014 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Balla you are making a new case as we speak. Why don't you answer my concerns in your original case intead of making a new one? And if you think these new points you bring up are so good why were they not in your original case? That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:19 suki wrote: Balla, rayn is right. Toad's case on you that you were scum was because of your early game. You agreed that your early game looked scummy. How is Toad scummy for finding you scummy early game? You guys are both missing the point. I'm FINE with him calling it scummy. What i'm not fine with is making a huge case on my meta based on it that comes to bad conclusions, then misrepresenting what I was saying during the early game to make it fit that case more. IT ALL READS AS FAKE, CONTRIVED, LARGE CONTRIBUTION. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes and in that game it was easy to see why she changes her mind on those people and she was genuinely confused especially about zarepath and bumatlarge. This game there is no confusion which would read as "i don't know who to vote for". There is a huge difference. Which you obviously don't see because you just look at posts and not the motivation behind them. No dude, I know exactly the motivation behind those. YOU are the one who is not looking at the motivation behind her switches in this game, because I can see some here as well. I would also advise you to look at the Shadowed Mafia (NON REBOOT). Suki can you explain why you hopped onto kush/off of kush and why you hopped off of palmar eventually? | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: DUDE ZAREPATH FUCKING CLAIMED A ROLE WHEN SUKI STARTED DOUBTING HERSELF AND SWAPPING VOTES?!?!?! Why are you yelling and why is this even a point? This makes no sense considering i'm not arguing AT ALL that she doesn't have reasoning for her swaps, i'm arguing that she does have reasoning always and she does here too and that's what your missing. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why don't you explain why suki switches her votes and why does he not talk about her lynch targets at all if you know that so well? I'm sorry but you could have just look yourself. It's like you're purposefully trying not to see. Look at the koshi case for example... there was plenty of stuff DIRECTLY after her case that could have significantly altered her view. Things like this: On February 21 2014 00:00 Koshi wrote: About this part: 1) I am not saying that you dropped your scumread. I am saying that you were quite positve on a scumread on Balla. But that instead of persuing this scumread you went and talked about rayn his plan being pro-town. On which you were called out on and then you defended yourself. 2) Yes, I did ask you to look at Balla because you were not being serious till then and I wanted to see if you could be serious. You blew me off the first time responding that Balla was only scum if he didn't vote prplhz. Because there still wasn't a serious answer I pressed further and I pretended I had a legit reason to why Balla was scum. After I said this you played serious and you did look into Balla and you found a reason to why he was scum and voted him without stating this reason. Then I said I was bluffing and didn't have a reason to why Balla is scum. To which you replied that I should vote Balla but again you didn't give a reason. Then I asked about this reason and you gave it to me. At this point I was no longer interested in Balla but I was interested in you. However, I didn't vote both because I was sleepy. In conclusion. I don't see why I am scummy for that paragraph in your case btw. It looked quite obvious to what was going on. Marv, Palmar and you also all commented, then I commented and the consensus between everyone was that this case is no good and it doesn't make koshi scum, in fact some of the stuff makes koshi more townie. On her case on me: There was a whole conversation between me and suki that easily can affect what she thinks about me, multiple conversations even. I also justified what her case was about and that could have also had an effect. THERES SO MUCH between there and when she switched to kush. Things like these exchanges: On February 21 2014 06:12 Balla24 wrote: Do you agree with what I said about how Koshi is more likely to do a lot of the stuff you said he was doing as town based on our last 2 games? Suki I already did this -_- hence why you don't find anything else!!!!! She recently justified the kush and palmar stuff although I'm not sure how much I buy the kush one. The palmar one I can see from her interactions with him this morning. | ||
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Well, do you still think suki and I are scum? What about prplhz? The people who were voting kush. | ||
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On February 22 2014 05:43 Balla24 wrote: Well, do you still think suki and I are scum? What about prplhz? The people who were voting kush. First question was a bit loaded, but this second question is not loaded at all. I have no idea who you are pushing in these past 12 hours.. | ||
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Kush why is your vote completely useless and baseless? Just cause Oats mistakenly used the term OMGUS? | ||
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On February 22 2014 07:21 LoneMeow wrote: Current suspicions: Oatsmaster (1): Toadesstern (7): Balla24 (3): suki (1): 3 real people off the vote: rayn, kush and oats, Kush has literally no reasoning for being off the vote besides a chainsaw defense of toad by attacking oats, then he 180s and says he will quit mafia if toad is town without voting... Rayn has a little more reasoning, but our conversation will lead you to what conclusion I have about it. Mostly a chainsaw defense attacking me and also thinking suki and I were both mafia so toad can't be mafia. Originally marv was in there too but he seems to have dropped that. I find it surprising that oats was on me tbh, but its somewhat ok paranoia i guess? The fact that i'm copying my posting style from my two recent town games. Meh. Of the people on the vote: Koshi and Palmar just sheepd marv IIRC and palmar was trying to avoid what he deemed scummy people until the scummy people landed on toad. But palmar was pushing people actively to get onto toad. Suki hopped on toad with no reasoning whilst toad was not defending himself and then elaborated later... Prplhz's reasoning was actually really bad... On February 21 2014 23:03 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Toadesstern pretty sure we're not having it any other way today so lets just see a flip This was also once toad started dissapearing. CFP's reasoning was weak too: On February 21 2014 23:31 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: That's because I didn't really have any scumreads at the end. Strongest suspicion was on Suki. Currently it's on Toad. Too many scummy things, something that happened in Shadow as well yet everyone decided to not lynch him for it. The contradiction and his focus on defending himself, calling you a liar but not scum, all counts in for it. ##Unvote ##Vote Toadesstern There's so many people with weak/non-existent reasoning for being on toad -_-. Leads me to believe both scum are in that pool. But a 1/1 split is also possible. Marv is obv obv town obvs... I want to doubt that there are 2 mafia off the vote, but it's possible, especially with the way rayn was acting, WIFOM though. One thing that I think is unlikely is that kush/oats are probably not scum together. BORING VCAA pLSZSZLZLS | ||
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On February 22 2014 09:28 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Balla, how is my reasoning weak? Sounds like a perfectly legitimate reasoning. I could go over everything Marv and co said about Toad but I would've just rehashed the things that were scummy. Can't reinvent the wheel. It's better than others that's for sure. I was just looking for people I would be willing to clear based on what they said about toad when they voted for them. I'm not really willing to do that for most people unfortunately when I expected to be able to. | ||
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On February 22 2014 10:00 suki wrote: Hmm. In extractor trick mafia he bussed slam from pretty much his very first post. Slam never got seen as suspicious though so kush was able to ride that bus all the way to the end. I tried looking for more scum games but he hasn't played much at all. In Sicilian Mafia, he doesn't talk about his first scumbuddy Yamato for the entire Day 1 and Yamato was lynched. Then as soon as Yamato bled red he hard bussed sloosh saying 'sloosh is confirmed scum'. So I know kush likes to bus. OH WAIT. Regarding my cold feet comment, I was thinking Kush was still saying Toad was town, but he said he will quit if Toad flips town, so he was actually saying Toad was going to flip scum. So it's totally a bus. Kush also recently started changing his play IMO and playing a lot better as town. I'm not getting those vibes here. | ||
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On February 22 2014 10:05 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: I'd appreciate the name of the game so I could look it up and analyze it. its extractor trick http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439578 | ||
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On February 22 2014 20:41 marvellosity wrote: Balla, how confident are you that suki is town? She has some unfortunate things in her filter, such as her case on Koshi + below it where it outlines how Toad is awful and has no redeeming features and might possibly vote for him later if gosh darnit, she didn't just have this swell case on Koshi. That sort of thing. I still think she's pretty solidly town. I don't much like her thought process throughout this n1 especially in regards to kush and I, but I still think it's more likely for her to be town for doing so because as town she is very flip-floppy with her reads especially when people are defending themselves. What i'm referring to is this: On February 23 2014 00:42 suki wrote: Obviously I'm looking at Kush being mafia, for having such a shitty read on Balla. But his responses are coherent and make sense. Taking another look at Balla's filter some things really don't add up. Calling marv questionable is a really weird thing. His case on toad also bad. His case on you bad. Bussing Toad is definitely a plausible move for scum Balla. I guess I just liked the fact that he was hard defending me :| Kush looks more townie to me right now from this exchange. Balla looks worse. I do think Oats is town so scum suspect was kush and slam. Add Balla to the list now. Kush looks more townie from the exchange? Even though kush provided very little insight into the way I actually play and is actually quite contradictory: On February 23 2014 00:33 VIVAX420 wrote: because degree of activity has nothing to do with alignment most of the time? i dind't see anything scummy early game. And no i wouldn't describe him as a "timid" scum. He is quite capable, it;s just that he wasn't trying that hard those scum games. and furthermore, ive since downgraded my opinion of his towngame from when I said those quotes. now does my line of thought line up? Somehow my scum game has been upgraded in his eyes and my towngame downgraded, when all he's played with ME have been really really really shit scum games from me and NO town games, and all i've played SINCE then have been really really great towngames. That really really really doesn't add up. I still think she's town, but I won't be hard defending her anymore if she keeps coming up with a bad trains of thoughts like this. | ||
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Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously, look at this: 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. | ||
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On February 23 2014 04:11 marvellosity wrote: Do you think it's reasonable for suki to be suspicious of you, balla? Nope. 'tis what I said, her thought process on me this night has been really odd. She usually has much more respect for my cases and what i'm saying. I don't really follow why she keeps going from "Man ballas scum game is so different from this" to "Actually balla has done a lot of scummy things this game" So I think her read is unreasonable. Like I said though, for me, that kind of swinging is indicative of town suki. | ||
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On February 23 2014 05:59 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: He means you're saying Suki is scum because it's unreasonable for her to think you're scum, but she's town because her reads fluctuate a lot whilst they were rigid, then your eventual conclusion is that she's town despite thinking the read is unreasonable. If the read is unreasonable, she's scum irrelevant of other meta tells. If you think she's still town despite the read, then clearly the read is reasonable for her to make as town. How does that not make sense? Just because someone is wrong does not make them scum. | ||
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On February 23 2014 06:13 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: The question was if it's unreasonable to make as town, in other words, do you think it's unlikely she'd make that read as town compared to scum? At least that's how I think Marv meant it. I get it now. No, suki has weird thought processes like this all the time, it's the reason shes so flip floppy in the first place. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 20 2014 20:35 Palmar wrote: But as long as you lynch toad with us I'm fine with it. On February 20 2014 23:23 Palmar wrote: It's ok, there's a nice cozy Toad wagon and y'all can hop right on! On February 21 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote: how about you sheep this justice lynch on toad? On February 21 2014 23:09 Palmar wrote: Ok I'll answer serious. Because I'm not scum and thus by definition your reasons for voting me were bad. I didn't say that was the reason I think you may be scum. Now sheep onto Toad pls. Him refusing to answering my questions is annoying, but not alignment indicative, if you recall I learned that with oats last 2 games. | ||
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On February 23 2014 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: balla reads. please? I don't know what you want me to do here, i've been sharing my reads all game just read my filter... if a list of reads isn't what you wanted then idk what you want. | ||
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On February 23 2014 08:32 Palmar wrote: rayn, 1-shot cop? what is your claim? he's fake claiming reaction check guarantee it... he was doing this a bunch in the pm game | ||
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On February 23 2014 08:35 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Yes and I have done plenty to show I'm town. That you're not seeing it is ignorance. Question is if it's willful. There is literally no reason for you to have a town reason on Ala over me. You clearly played or followed shadow. The thought process here is the same as my town read there (the first game not the reboot). | ||
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On February 23 2014 08:40 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: I didn't either until just now. Need to go back to reread but how he can have a townread on Alakaslam over me is just incomprehensible. Did I ever have a townread on you throughout day1? Why would I suddenly have a townread of you now. Slam just came into the thread, I feel townie on him from his entrance that's all there is to it. | ||
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On February 23 2014 08:41 Koshi wrote: No need.to dramaqueen. I only see 2 people.calling you.scum atm. I'm just salty people are seeing my reaction as scummy. | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:16 prplhz wrote: no apparently that was balla but he never actually claimed or anything and the whole thing looked really stupid yes I said he might be doing that him and mocsta were doing it in TL LXIV the pm game... just fake claiming that they checked people, so there is precedent if that's the case. | ||
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Marv take a look at shadow reboot, almost identical situation there. I read suki correctly and nobody else did. Koshi can vouch too because I had a huge argument with him about it in the obs QT after I died. | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:47 marvellosity wrote: and maybe you're mysteriously right about Slam too? if I could confirm rayn as town to you, who would be your best guess for the 2 mafia? I could also be totally wrong about Slam but that's just how I feel atm. I already answered this to rayn when he claimed: 1. Kush still 2. Oats second but thats just off of nothing. I will consider this more when rayn does something to make me think he is actually town instead of continuing to do weird and random things. | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:58 marvellosity wrote: I explained a specific scenario where he did the same thing earlier in the game, you can't have missed it. No I didn't miss it, remember? I skimmed it and said the main difference is rayn isn't martyring. Now that I think about it, he also did not really push who he thought was scum in this game whereas in BttB he did. | ||
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IIRC Toad said he was going afk after the case he wrote on me so I didn't say much to him then because I wanted him to come back and either continue pushing the misrepresentation of me or see what I was saying and back off. When he came back I was in the middle of being attacked by suki and having a long conversation with her. What he did do then was take a half stance in between saying he would continue looking into me, he didn't say anything on either side of what I was expecting so there was nothing there. | ||
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On February 23 2014 10:34 marvellosity wrote: And yet Balla voted the totally absent sidesprang? I don't see your point here???? Did you completely miss my explanations for voting sidesprang? | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:02 Sylencia wrote: Default Suspicions based on Day 1 votes (Vote Count): VIVAX420 (2) - Oatsmaster, Palmar Koshi (2) - marvellosity, Koshi prplhz (1) - raynpelikoneet Oatsmaster (1) - prplhz marvellosity (1) - VIVAX420 raynpelikoneet (1) - Balla24 Balla24 (1) - Alakaslam Next deadline: Deadline date: Tuesday, Feb 25 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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On February 23 2014 04:28 Balla24 wrote: On rayn: Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. | ||
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- Justfiy your townread of kush, even if its different today I want to know why you thought kush was town yesterday. - Elaborate on how I am playing toward my scum meta, or at least how I was yesterday. - Explain to me why you decided NOT to push me for a lynch instead of toad if you thought toad was so townie. If it's shit then you should easily be able to explain all of this with EASE. | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey Balla you have perfect reasons to vote for me. Why is your vote not on me? On February 23 2014 11:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: One thing i am going to answer is this shit: Wrong, nothing else to say. This is shit. Wrong, this is also shit. Oh god, i see a trend. shit. shitshithsit. Hey, that was your case.  | ||
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The truth is, if IDK how well i would have been able to play as scum, every game is different, and i've played 2 really good town games recently. | ||
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Rayn states that it will be very easy to read me and it will solely be based on the amount of content I produce. On February 20 2014 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't worry that's most likely gonna be quite easy. I know rayn isn't going to answer this anyways because he has no interest in defending himself against me for some reason but: What changed here? Apparently i'm not easily readable anymore? Apparently i'm obv scum because why exactly? Does anybody know why rayn thinks im scum besides the fact that I think he's scum and the fact that the timing on toad's case on me and my case on toad is "weird"? + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is weird btw: Toad makes a case on Balla - February 21 2014 02:12 Balla says kush and smurf are his scumreads - February 21 2014 05:49 Balla makes a case on Toad - February 21 2014 14:49 Now, Balla's case on Toad is mainly because of the bad case on him. Why was that not a concern earlier? I need to check what happened between here (at least Balla voted for kush) and if this can be a bus. I really really don't like his defense on suki. It reads more like "i defend suki because Toad is flipping mafia and then i can call rayn scum" rather than "i think suki is town". Maybe he can still be mafia. Hey rayn rayn rayn, why does that make me mafia? You didn't explain it. Here's another hypocrisy from rayn: On February 21 2014 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's wrong in suki's case is that she says basically same stuff me, Palmar and prplhz talked about earlier. She is not interested in why we do not think that makes Koshi scummy, instead she makes a case where she already knows the stuff she is going to say is "right", it's a safe case because it's already agreed on before it's even posted. But in the end she expresses the thought "i know my case might not be good enough so i'll vote for Toad later on if you guys want to". I don't see the "this is why Koshi is mafia" type of thing. I see "here is a safe contribution". That's my interpretation of that post. He says that suki is mafia because he thinks she's writing something as a "safe contribution". Yet: On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously, look at this: 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? When I make the same point about toad, he calls it "not scummy in the slightest". | ||
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Please give me opinions!! If you think i'm being an idiot on rayn, tell me and tell me why. If you think I might be right but would like me to stop tunneling, tell me. Literally nobody has said a word about either of my rayn cases (even rayn tbh) except for suki. | ||
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Should read: When I make the same point about toad, he calls it "not scummy in the slightest. in #2. | ||
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On February 23 2014 23:56 Koshi wrote: I read all the things but cant check them. But did the puppy say Balla was scum before resolution? Also it isnt fair to use both deaths against balla because one was killed by town. I also do not like the vote analysis because prplhz for instance has done shitall since Palmar has been vouching for him. The reasons to why Palmar finds him town did not repeat themsleves anymore. He is in the shadows. I mean, there is room for somebody else being scum on the toad wagon. Why was Palmar not shot? He was on Puppy, so shooting puppy makes "confirmed" town look elsewhere. Meh. Balla big post very townie still. rayn knows balla very well. He lynched him twice and played scum with him. That scumgame I was in the game and it does not look like this. Why is rayn so irrational? It pisses me off because he is bad. He knows balla and can make a real case if he wants. Instead we get this retarded garbage that is retarded. Even I push rayn with more reaskning than this when I am in tunnel. Currently not near pc. 4 hours from now I will be. But will phonepost some. Koshi can you reword the last paragraph here? Kinda cant understand whos actions you are referring to at some points. In prplhz, he has done nothing yet this day that coincides with my reaaon for townreading him yeterday which is somewhat worrisome. Anyways still in bed dont wanna get up yet so phoneposting lelelel | ||
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On February 24 2014 01:07 Koshi wrote: What I meant is that it is not scum balla panicking and shooting both cuz they are on to him. But sure they flipped town so they legit found balla scummy somewhere. I dont like balla lynch. In reference to this. | ||
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On February 24 2014 01:10 marvellosity wrote: No-one suggested Balla shot the people who found him suspicious, the point was that flipped confirmed townies found things about him suspicious. And the fact that i was saying suki was town when no one else and i was right. I can understand how that looks odd but youre not looking if i had any good reasoning for doing so. Also not looking at the fact that I have been the only person to play every single game with suki since her return to mafia in newbie li. | ||
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"if hes scum that explains why he wouldnt comment on my toad case If hes scum that explains why he had a correct read on suki when nobody else does" "sukis town and she happened to be thinking balla was scum at her time of death... Cfp same" Like almost all this stuff is completely above me, i cant do anything about it since they are dead and i cant change their minds. Can you please tell me if you yourself thought my reaction to rayn was scummy or townie and wht? What about sukis thought process made sense to you so i can actually defend myself against your case marv. | ||
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On February 24 2014 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i don't, especailly when the case is "you did something i don't understand and that's why you are mafia". Well no shit, what am i supposed to say? "no you do understand"? Is this serious? A big factor is that you refuse to try to make me understand... My points aren't that I don't understand, it's that I think you can't explain what you were thinking when you do stuff. You should have reasoning for saying and doing stuff right? | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:37 Balla24 wrote: Tell me rayn if all that is so shit: - Justfiy your townread of kush, even if its different today I want to know why you thought kush was town yesterday. - Elaborate on how I am playing toward my scum meta, or at least how I was yesterday. - Explain to me why you decided NOT to push me for a lynch instead of toad if you thought toad was so townie. If it's shit then you should easily be able to explain all of this with EASE. Moving on: ##vote kushm4sta/vivax420 Kush is obviously mafia. I said it D1 and all he's done since then is not read the thread and get himself in more trouble lol.. this is the second time he's claimed he's slipped. I'll spend this section going over the arguments against me and why they don't make me mafia, and what my thought process was during the moments. This is basically just going to be re-iterating what i've said previously to them, but consolidated and commenting on stuff that I felt was not necessary to comment on before. On February 23 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote: if anyone wonders why I think Balla could be mafia, think Slam+suki+Palmar's signature This point is completely and totally unfair. My reasons for town-reading suki were fine and nobody has attacked it yet. I find her flip-flopping very very characteristic of town suki and this is NOT the first time I have used this logic to success when reading suki. I used it successfully in Shadowed Mafia (non-reboot), and successfully read her when she was NOT flip-flopping in the reboot. Including this one, I am 3/3 reading correctly as town, which doesn't say much because she has hasn't been mafia but still, me reading suki correctly is completely non-indicative of my alignment. Answer me this, if I was to flip, are you going to lynch Koshi next for being the only one to town read me? Because if you go down that path you are going to lose the game. I am not mafia because I was right on 1 of my reads. I was somewhat wrong on CFP wasn't I? As far as Slam goes, he hasn't even flipped so I don't know how you can hold that against me. On February 23 2014 10:17 marvellosity wrote: Exhibit 1: Balla never mentions the arguments that Palmar and I push on Toad, and only asks other people about Toad's alignment without commenting himself, until he made his megapost with Toad as mafia. Also unfair and completely circumstantial. I asked other people about Toad's alignment when I thought their reads were funky. For example, Palmar: He thought suki/prplhz/me were scummy and unvoted Kush because of it, yet he goes to Toad instead of trying to pressure the people he thought were scummy on the Kush lynch. I think that is a questionable town play, because you could try to figure out the intentions of the people pushing a kush lynch instead of just assuming they are scum. Followup point: On February 23 2014 10:41 marvellosity wrote: It's very difficult for me to believe that the most influential player in the game (you may not know me, but you can tell by how people interact with me) makes a case on someone and you totally fail to mention it in any capacity. Especially when you commented so much on so much else. I didn't comment on your arguments cause I had absolutely nothing to add. You say I comment on everything else right? Then why is not commenting on a single thing scummy? If you think I ignore stuff as scum, wouldn't this be a pattern? On February 23 2014 10:34 marvellosity wrote: And yet Balla voted the totally absent sidesprang? This isn't even a real point because you are ignoring my reasoning for voting sidesprang, whereas Palmar (who I am talking about in that quote) did not provide reasoning, hence why I am curious!!! My reason for voting sidesprang was clear: Sidesprang voted ME specifically for a reason, therefore he might have been testing my reaction, therefore I gave him one! It only occured to me afterwards that it was a pre-game plan thus had no bearing on the game. On February 23 2014 17:55 kushm4sta wrote: but oats, why would town get annoyed at someone they thought was scum? I don't know? Because rayn is being a child? Especially if he's town. Same reason I get mad when I ask people to explain townreads and they go "nah i dont know how that will help" instead of just explaining their town read. I'm trying to figure out people's alignments and they aren't helping me to do that because they are conceited. Think about it, if rayn is town then all he's doing is fueling my fire instead of trying to put it out like he should be. On February 23 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote: As it stands suki was becoming suspicious of balla and she has played several games with him CuteFluffyPuppy found Balla's reactions to the fakeclaim thing suspicious Balla failed at any time to address the case on Toadesstern, and I don't really buy the argument "I felt nothing either way so I didn't comment on it at all" Is probably the most likely mafia person on Toadesstern if one exists Kept asking Palmar why his vote was on Toadesstern (when it was obvious that the Toad case was the strongest in the thread apart from anything else) puts obv-town marvellosity under a heading "pretty questionable" and tries to palm it off saying I'm on the townside (personal reason :D) Suki's reasoning was terrible. Genuine, but terrible. If you recall, she went from townreading me for meta and for going at rayn saying "I would never attack rayn like that as scum", to having a conversation with kush, to scumreading me. Here it is: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2014 00:30 suki wrote: kush you played with Balla in Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1. He is much more careful in what he says, much less confident. He can't even produce content the way he has this game as scum, much less attack a player the way he did. It doesn't even have to be rayn. Scum balla just doesn't play this way. I really find it weird that you don't see this seeing as you clearly saw the difference in NM:E1 beginning of game mid-game when people were calling balla out for being scummy and kush was voting balla. You seem to be thinking Balla is suspicious at this moment. Why didn't you think Balla was scummy at the beginning of the game and call him out, when he was clearly inactive? Why are you questioning my townread of Balla when you yourself read Balla as town earlier on? Your line of thought on Balla just doesn't line up at all. On February 23 2014 00:33 VIVAX420 wrote: because degree of activity has nothing to do with alignment most of the time? i dind't see anything scummy early game. And no i wouldn't describe him as a "timid" scum. He is quite capable, it;s just that he wasn't trying that hard those scum games. and furthermore, ive since downgraded my opinion of his towngame from when I said those quotes. now does my line of thought line up? On February 23 2014 00:42 suki wrote: Obviously I'm looking at Kush being mafia, for having such a shitty read on Balla. But his responses are coherent and make sense. Taking another look at Balla's filter some things really don't add up. Calling marv questionable is a really weird thing. His case on toad also bad. His case on you bad. Bussing Toad is definitely a plausible move for scum Balla. I guess I just liked the fact that he was hard defending me :| Kush looks more townie to me right now from this exchange. Balla looks worse. I do think Oats is town so scum suspect was kush and slam. Add Balla to the list now. CFP had a similar thought process. He went from meta-reading me as super townie from IIRC filter-size alone, yet right at the end of the day he thought my reaction was scummy? Didn't even really provide reasoning for why. Just generic "falling apart" comments since I was putting him down as possible scum when I was asked to provide my reads ASAP. I'm sorry but this is NOT something you should be taking into account considering how on the fly this section of the game was at. If he had sat down and thought about it maybe he would have came up with something different. On February 23 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote: puts obv-town marvellosity under a heading "pretty questionable" and tries to palm it off saying I'm on the townside (personal reason :D) This is arrogant (<3) and actually pretty unreasonable. You should know I respect you marv and you are very good at this game and everybody knows that. If anything, me not being sold on you being town should be townie, ESPECIALLY if you think I would use information bias to give suki a town read but NOT YOU. You're good at this game as both scum and town, so why should I give you a town read off the bat. It is also pretty clearly indicated that I think you were doing pro-town things, but there was something bothering me: Marv is generating a LOT of content and asking plenty of good questions. But he also seems content to just sit within a shit storm and let it happen/contribute to it which is scummy. He has one instance of trying to move the thread forward during one of those shit storms (during the toad debacle) in which he suggests to move forward since we aren't going to get anything more out of it, however that was way after and was actually producing useful content. I'm referencing things like his conversation with kush. How is that NOT a reasonable read? Look if you think I would town read suki using information bias over you, then this needs to be a point in my favor OR you need to switch them around and drop the "he was right about suki" thing. On February 24 2014 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i don't, especailly when the case is "you did something i don't understand and that's why you are mafia". Well no shit, what am i supposed to say? "no you do understand"? This is not my case at all and again, if you think I am misunderstanding something then you need to make it clear to me. Even if you are sure someone is mafia (which you shouldn't be, btw, I really don't understand how you of all people could be so confident i'm mafia since you've played with me before) you need to respond to them like you would to a townie in the possibility that they ARE town, because their interactions with you DEPEND on it. Listen rayn, if we switched positions and I wasn't explaining anything that you think I'm mafia for, would you think I was mafia? Yes, obviously, I've seen this situation with you as town and someone else happen before. Actually, I think it was kush in normal mini when "he has a huge pile of un-explained townreads" that I already quoted in another post. So it's a real shock that you think my scum read of you is unreasonable. On February 24 2014 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is being right for very wrong reasons and he makes cases that are not about why someone is mafia, and when he's been questioned about them instead of answering he makes new cases. I already explained how my reasons are NOT WRONG. Why you are mafia follows from my points, and furthermore, if you have bad explanations for those points then it makes you mafia (which you havent given ANY explanation). When I'm being questioned (by you) you mis-represent my case A LOT. I never make new cases, maybe I explain my point in a different way, or use NEW EVIDENCE to support my POINT/CASE but that is NOT making a new case and you are very wrong about this. This conversation is what rayn is referring to for anyone wondering: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443848¤tpage=69#1365 On February 24 2014 08:02 marvellosity wrote: What actually bugs me is not the fact that he put me as questionable then (although that bugs me) - it's that later on when I'd posted a TON more (and decent posting) he still wasn't willing to call me town. That's at the very least terrible, weak play if balla is town (sorry balla if you're town, but it just is) Further if Balla is mafia then Slam is his likely partner, not kush. Because what Balla did is have his cases on kush and Toad but he had his vote on kush and not Toad. This is a classic mafia play, having 2 scum suspects and having your vote on the townie and looking good later for having scum as scum. Balla only put his vote on Toadesstern later when the lynch was a formality. I'm willing to vote kush though, if kush flips town then Balla is an autolynch. Or we can lynch Slam who probably has the highest individual chance of flipping mafia. I don't care all that much honestly. Uhm... i'm actually confused here on the first point... if you could reference that that'd be great, because i'm pretty sure after my large post where i called you questionable, you and a few others were like HOLY SHIT BALLA THATS SO BAD MARV CANT POSSIBLY MAKE FILTER THIS BIG and it pissed me off and i was like ok he's town, after that when was I hesitant to call you town? #2 I can't comment on unless you have a specific question because it's just straight up speculation on not yet flipped players. #3 is unfair and isn't alignment indicative because townies do that all the time. I clearly specified my intention to lynch either of them. This is WIFOM and i've been trying to avoid using WIFOM because it's fucking annoying BUT I think it is very very relevant. If I was scum, wouldn't I have purposefully TRIED to put my vote in BEFORE it was a formality? | ||
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TLDR: If you think I'm scum then you need to read this. If not then you may ignore. If you are a little bitch and are still sheeping marv then you should be lynching kush anyways and can ignore because you're a sheep. If you are rayn, you can ignore because you don't read anything I post. If you are marv then you better love this even though you will probably ignore it like you did when I tried to explain everything the first time (balla is bitter as fuck). | ||
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On February 24 2014 16:07 Oatsmaster wrote: so defensive Oh oats I forgot you were in a decent timezone to talk to me, why are you lurking so much at night when you're not even confident i'm scum (you just voted me "before marv throws a fit")? You could be pressuring me, asking me questions etc... | ||
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On February 24 2014 16:07 Oatsmaster wrote: so defensive Also lol... you noticed that was there and read that in 2 minutes? That's pretty impressive. Anyways, unfortunately i'm going to sleep. Peace~ | ||
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On February 22 2014 20:19 VIVAX420 wrote: who is calling for a vig on cute smurf and why On February 22 2014 23:22 VIVAX420 wrote: yea but i have until d2 as long as im not viged | ||
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If kush is town then the last scums have to be within oats/rayn/slam so let's do it~ ##vote Alakaslam | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. : Well then you don't believe it, wtf am i supposed to say? Yes i did believe suki is mafia, yes i did believe you are mafia. I explained why i thought so. 2) I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for) completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. I explained my townread on kush. It was because i didn't think he would say he would quit mafia if Toad is town in case Toad was actually town which i also did believe. You don't buy it? Well shit, then there is nothing i can say. 3) He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. Yes you are, i explained how. Only after i did so you started doing things like you do as town - not defending me for no reason, posting more, etc. And no i wouldn't. I would not because when marv is pushing a lynch there is nothing you can do about it. Also i did not give a shit. So, i have actually explained everything you ask me to explain. If you don't think my explanations are good enough that's another thing and there is nothing i can do about it. So how about you cut the fucking bullshit and stop the "you need to explain this and that"? See rayn that's all you had to do like seriously. Now I know that you think you did exactly all that stuff and I can check it. When you just generically say "I explained everything!!!" what am I supposed to do? When I look I didn't find anything that's why I bring it up in the first place. The only thing you could have done better in that post is quote exactly where you explained each of these things. 1) Fair enough, now why is it not reasonable for me to think that because I don't think you should have these reads on suki and I that you are mafia? I could be wrong, but it's totally reasonable for me to have this opinion about you. 2) I finally see the post because you specifically said it exists! 3) Looking through your filter I still don't see where you explained my meta and how I am playing towards it and when I started changing it etc. This would be your opportunity to quote exactly where. If it's just where you quote your case from NMM1 then I guess I think that its just unreasonable for you to think I was playing towards my scum meta at that point since it was very very early AND I had played 2 new town games that you don't take into account. See how a perception of someone can change based on how they interact. Your stubbornness blew up my scum read of you which lead to your scum read of me, when all you had to do was put a little effort into it to dispell my points against you if you really thought it was that bad. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: And only after suki kill you start going "look how wrong rayn was on suki".- Well fucking everyone thought she was mafia, other than you. I think that's a bullshit reason to call me mafia (being wrong) and you are using something that is not scummy to attack me. In fact you are fucking scummy because of it as i don't see how you could possibly think suki is town. You brought up shit like "i can see the reasoning behind her reads, you are bad because you can't". Well the reasons were not what you thought, and they were bad. So you had no intention to figure out her actual reasoning, you just said right things. Things you can't possibly know they are right if you are town. So you are either mafia or playing really bad because you assume things you should not assume in the first place. You are not trying to figure out things, you just assume something and say stuff based on that. And it makes sense from mafia pov if you switch the word "assume" with "know". Sorry rayn but that's not what I said about suki and again you are misinterpreting misreading or something here because it's not at all what I was saying. You were bringing up the fact that suki is jumping from case to case to case, and saying she has no reasoning for SWITCHING like that. I was saying, jumping from case to case to case is suki's town meta. You countered by saying she doesn't have any conviction with her cases though and has no reasoning for switching, which I THEN countered by saying she DOES has reasoning and its pretty clear with the context on why she is switching. I said its unreasonable for you NOT to think the same way as me because you played with me and her in NMM1 which is where she started that. But seriously, thank you for actually having a discourse with me, it is much more pleasurable then our dumb arguments before. I don't know what's so wrong about that. On February 25 2014 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: You actually did the same thing with me on D1. You assume you know what my reasoning behind something is, and defend me for it. When i call you out on that (because that's what you do as mafia), you start attacking me. Fishy fucking much? Look dude, what do you want me to do? You dropped a vote on marv completely unexplained, I tried to understand what you were doing and I posted it in the thread, I wasn't defending you whatsoever. I thought I saw what you were doing and it turned out it wasnt that at all, so when you start going ham off of it then it shoots off red bells for me because I didn't expect you to do that whatsoever. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then i quoted a post from NMM as Toad asked me to elaborate more. After that you started posting. Fair enough. So you did what Toad did which is analyze my meta based on the first 24 hours of the game. I don't think that's fair in the long run, but scum reading me at that point is totally reasonable. | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe you are telling the truth Balla and just missed all those posts. Who knows. I mean, maybe i'm self-centered but some of the stuff was easy to miss, especially the reasoning for town reading kush since I was very interested in that and it was offered up in response to CFP and not me as a one liner. I still think this would have been much easier if you would have just said to me "Hey Balla, I already explain so and so in response to so and so here: --quote- If you want further explanation i'd be happy to explain" instead of letting me rip my hair out every time i asked you anything T_T  | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i thought suki was mafia. marv thought suki was mafia. i know how marv operates and he seemed to be operating like he does as scum, having someone as a scumread and not talking with them. Hell he even said later on that's what he does as town (if he finds someone scummy he questions them more to find out if they are actyually scum or not). marv to me didn't seem like he was interested in questioning suki about her scummy stuff, but instead said "well i'll go see if i find something townie". .That's what i saw. Now why do i need to make all these posts again because i have explained all this? Totally understood, now understand my PoV: What you see about marv to me, is very very little and is pretty circumstantial. It might be on purpose it might not be, I can't tell. So when you go ham about it and disregard everything you said about toad before because you think marv is mafia and marv is trying to get toad lynched. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe it's because we have a different approach to the game or something but I wouldn't do that at all. Toad looks scummy, marv has something that could be scummy as well, I would point it out and question marv about it then try to decide which of marv or toad looks scummier instead of flipping my reads like that off of something so small. Does this make sense? | ||
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On February 25 2014 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i am not arguing you are not making sense from any point of view. I am arguing that i can't argue about this because there is nothing to argue about. I am also arguing that i find it weird that you question me about things i have already explained, and that is your case. You can't make a case based on "this doesn't make sense to me" if i have explained my reasoning behind those things. You should make a case "this is what he did, this is why, and this is why it does not make sense from town pov". That's why the case is bad and that's why there is nothing to argue about. And what i'm saying is that when someone is missing an explanation of something and misrepresenting what you said then as town it is your responsibility to show them what they are missing and how they are misrepresenting you. Sure it's their fault for doing it in the first place but it doesn't make them scum and if you can maybe help them get to a point where they think you are not scum anymore then you can join forces and become scum hunting machines instead of just breathing down each other's throats and killing the thread atmosphere like we did T_T | ||
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Yep, the fact is even if he was suspicious to some people. He was not high on ANYBODIES list except palmar lol... so it's a decent kill out of that pool that i'm talking about. | ||
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On February 25 2014 06:29 marvellosity wrote: Regarding expecting Palmar to die or possibly me, it's something I thought about a bit as well. It smacks of fear and inexperience on the scum team's part. Hitting fluffypuffy was weak. I really don't think Palmar was doing that much beyond sheeping you so why were people expecting him to die... all he was doing was pissing townies off. | ||
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I don't see any experienced player reasonably deciding to hit the smurf over you or palmar. | ||
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On February 25 2014 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why was there a case and a vote on me by you? Are we seriously going into this again? That does not confirm anybody as town to me. | ||
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(X-Shot) Roleblocker Once per night, you can select a player to roleblock (up to X times per game). They will be informed of the roleblock regardless of role. | ||
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On February 25 2014 13:13 Oatsmaster wrote: what a noob. Balla, slam was scum. That wasnt the point of my case. My case is basically, flip flopped on Toad for no reason and flip flopped on marv for no reason and never mentioned slam other than 2 times even though you were so super sure that he was scum. I understand your case, I made pretty much exactly the same case minus the slam part. My point is the slam part is odd because it relies heavily on slam's alignment being mafia. If rayn makes no mention of someone that is not scummy, if he makes no mention of a mafia player, that may or may not be scummy, its purely circumstantial and hard to prove. Also, the fact that you bring that up against rayn is weird to me because rayn is one of the few people who DID comment on slam. Most players in this game did not talk about slam much at all including you. | ||
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On February 26 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw i am at Oats 85%, prplhz 14%, Balla 1% mafia. Also this except i have kush somewhere close to prplhz (and obviously replacing you with me ^_^) | ||
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On February 26 2014 08:15 Palmar wrote: you claim first after day if he moved or not, that way I can actually confirm you. ok np | ||
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On February 27 2014 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote: you trust them to lynch marv? they wont. no i trust them to not be retards and actually play the game | ||
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This power of svengali must be Oatsmasters! Too far has come the length of survival. Only can be master of the temple of dooms. The Chupazi lies within, no more! Freedom from the trap i've set indeed. The sun has set, you must lie down now. For only svengali can save you from impending quest. | ||
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On February 27 2014 05:30 marvellosity wrote: it's tempting to kill balla for the giggles Tickles? | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:39 Koshi wrote: rofl. The thing that sets Oats apart is that he is the only one that wants this game to go on. Even though he isn't 100% on who is scum. He is either scum or a masochist. basically if you're scum within oats/kush/rayn/me you have 3 options: 1. surrender cause you have no chance (except if your kush and you are a mafia RB'er) 2. act like you dgaf like me: in this case you hope that town will suddenly be like "well obviously since they havent surrendered that means its not them and its one of marv/koshi) 3. act like you gaf like oats which if you do this you're basically just trying to get 1 mislynch before dying which is a nice little goal | ||
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or there's an asshole who bussed both their teammates -_- either way there's an asshole. | ||
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That means it will be these 3 possible scenarios: Prplhz/Koshi/Marv or Rayn/Koshi/marv or Balla/Koshi/Marv | ||
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Actually, I have important stuff to tell you guys I won't be here till monday. I'll check on my phone occasionally if there's anything important like confirming a roleblock or endgame or something like that and so that I don't get myself modkilled. GL!!! | ||
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I will make an effort to check my phone a lot if marv's game starts soon. | ||
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so you are going back on your word!!!On February 28 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote: I might invent a game for us all to play if Oats flips town and mafia don't concede. Maybe Holyflare style. | ||
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Anyways, besides that i played well i think. Good reads d1. Got my first real experience defensing myself as town which was good and will hopefully help my shitty scumgame. Thanks to all the players and hosts it waa a fun game and an interesting setup. P.S. Palmar wtf man dat shot... | ||
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On March 04 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote: Yay town. New York has no free wifi. Atm in Museum of Moder Art and finally got some interwebs. Town pretty strong. Very happy with first 2 days again. Kush made a baller move with the joat claim tbh, that was really good, too bad the suspect after him was scum otherwise he could have done sexy things with "rbing" a scum nk and becoming really.comfirmed town. But town too strong. wp all. NYC has free wifi on almost every block lol... many Starbucks wow! rbing scum nk would not work unless he bussed slam to do it. | ||
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On March 06 2014 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: Thanks Oats for replacing in for me. Sad I missed what looked like was a pretty solid game from town. Thank you for replacing so fast when you realized you couldn't do it, that was bzt replacement speed ever, props to you and sylencia and oats. | ||
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