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On February 22 2014 09:28 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: Balla, how is my reasoning weak? Sounds like a perfectly legitimate reasoning. I could go over everything Marv and co said about Toad but I would've just rehashed the things that were scummy. Can't reinvent the wheel. It's better than others that's for sure. I was just looking for people I would be willing to clear based on what they said about toad when they voted for them. I'm not really willing to do that for most people unfortunately when I expected to be able to. | ||
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On February 22 2014 10:00 suki wrote: Hmm. In extractor trick mafia he bussed slam from pretty much his very first post. Slam never got seen as suspicious though so kush was able to ride that bus all the way to the end. I tried looking for more scum games but he hasn't played much at all. In Sicilian Mafia, he doesn't talk about his first scumbuddy Yamato for the entire Day 1 and Yamato was lynched. Then as soon as Yamato bled red he hard bussed sloosh saying 'sloosh is confirmed scum'. So I know kush likes to bus. OH WAIT. Regarding my cold feet comment, I was thinking Kush was still saying Toad was town, but he said he will quit if Toad flips town, so he was actually saying Toad was going to flip scum. So it's totally a bus. Kush also recently started changing his play IMO and playing a lot better as town. I'm not getting those vibes here. | ||
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On February 22 2014 10:05 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: I'd appreciate the name of the game so I could look it up and analyze it. its extractor trick http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439578 | ||
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i do really want to know what you think though | ||
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On February 22 2014 20:41 marvellosity wrote: Balla, how confident are you that suki is town? She has some unfortunate things in her filter, such as her case on Koshi + below it where it outlines how Toad is awful and has no redeeming features and might possibly vote for him later if gosh darnit, she didn't just have this swell case on Koshi. That sort of thing. I still think she's pretty solidly town. I don't much like her thought process throughout this n1 especially in regards to kush and I, but I still think it's more likely for her to be town for doing so because as town she is very flip-floppy with her reads especially when people are defending themselves. What i'm referring to is this: On February 23 2014 00:42 suki wrote: Obviously I'm looking at Kush being mafia, for having such a shitty read on Balla. But his responses are coherent and make sense. Taking another look at Balla's filter some things really don't add up. Calling marv questionable is a really weird thing. His case on toad also bad. His case on you bad. Bussing Toad is definitely a plausible move for scum Balla. I guess I just liked the fact that he was hard defending me :| Kush looks more townie to me right now from this exchange. Balla looks worse. I do think Oats is town so scum suspect was kush and slam. Add Balla to the list now. Kush looks more townie from the exchange? Even though kush provided very little insight into the way I actually play and is actually quite contradictory: On February 23 2014 00:33 VIVAX420 wrote: because degree of activity has nothing to do with alignment most of the time? i dind't see anything scummy early game. And no i wouldn't describe him as a "timid" scum. He is quite capable, it;s just that he wasn't trying that hard those scum games. and furthermore, ive since downgraded my opinion of his towngame from when I said those quotes. now does my line of thought line up? Somehow my scum game has been upgraded in his eyes and my towngame downgraded, when all he's played with ME have been really really really shit scum games from me and NO town games, and all i've played SINCE then have been really really great towngames. That really really really doesn't add up. I still think she's town, but I won't be hard defending her anymore if she keeps coming up with a bad trains of thoughts like this. | ||
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Look I don't understand what people are misunderstanding about my attack on rayn, the main main reason I'm scum on rayn is because he comes back into the thread after an unexplained vote on marv and goes HAM on suki/marv/me with very very little reasoning. I don't believe he ACTUALLY believed the read on suki/me (like I said I don't know his relationship with marv), therefore the only reason he would do this is to shit up the thread and cause chaos. He had a reasonably good town read from most people before this, so it's a decent way to spend that as scum. He then went on to misrepresent my case on toad by ignoring key points: On February 22 2014 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seriously, look at this: 1) so he called something scummy scummy. it makes him mafia? 2) not scummy in the slightest 3) i don't even know what this is about. Toad did something and then did something else? That makes him mafia. WHAT THE FUCK? I already pointed out how he was misrepresenting it during the moment here: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2014 05:13 Balla24 wrote: If you can't see why I think that his case is scummy for misrepresenting me and using meta on a small amount of contribution then you're not going to be convinced. 2) What are you talking about thats exactly the point. It might be pressure but it also could be fake contribution and to me it looks like fake contribution considering what I think of 1) 3) THATS EXACTLY THE POINT THOUGH. I wanted to see more contribution because all he's done at the point of my case was what I said. He hasn't done anything else now so it just proves my point that he's for some reason hesitant to talk about anything else. That's just wrong. I'm not making up new points, you are making it out to be but i'm not so go somewhere pls. ##vote raynpelikoneet Everything since you came back is so convoluted and just shitting up the thread. I think you're scum and I think you know toad is town so you want to springboard onto marv/suki/me after toad flips. I don't think your views on toad are consistent, earlier you were voting him. Literally the only reason you think toad is NOT SCUM is because you think marv/suki and I are scum which is total bullshit, especially on suki and I. I don't know your relationship with marv so I don't know how bullshit that is. I also think his vote on suki is a total cop-out and he had no intention of lynching either of us: the votes were something like Toad(7):me, suki, marv etc etc Balla(3): toad, oats, sidesprang Suki(1):rayn Why wouldn't he have tried to get me lynched, especially AFTER our exchange in which he thought was so bad. All he did was chainsaw defend toad and then leave a useless vote on suki. If this was really town rayn and he actually thought I was scum he would have gone HAM on me after that exchange and tried to get me lynched so hard. Instead he gives up, "lynch toad idc". I find his town read of kush here (which I had to ask him 3 times for): Completely baseless and still baseless considering kush had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to that point. Let's look at what town rayn had to say about kush doing nothing in normal mini: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2014 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: kush is probably scum because he has a big pile of non-explained townreads that can't possibly be based on any real evidence. On January 21 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i have on kush is what i have said. He has a townread on half of the people in the game and refuses to explain why. If he is town he has reasons for his reads. If he is scum he has not. Seems like he has not. On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. When kush didn't have any reasoning for his reads. How is this game not similar for kush? Especially on day1, his reasonings were so non-existent. Other people already pointed out how rayn was light pushing kush earlier in the day too so town-reading him at that point was somewhat contradictory. Last thing: On February 21 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Balla plays like his scum!meta suggests in this game. That's not where you are wrong imo. What's bothering me is i think you are misrepresenting his scum!meta and based on that (your interpretation) your case is incorrect. I am just not confident if this is evidence that's conclusive enough (which is why i had not brought it up on either way). This is in response to toad. He says i'm playing towards my scum meta yet never never ever elaborates on that. Come on now rayn, if you really thought this way you would have pushed really fucking hard for lynch. ESPECIALLY after our back and forth. | ||
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On February 23 2014 04:11 marvellosity wrote: Do you think it's reasonable for suki to be suspicious of you, balla? Nope. 'tis what I said, her thought process on me this night has been really odd. She usually has much more respect for my cases and what i'm saying. I don't really follow why she keeps going from "Man ballas scum game is so different from this" to "Actually balla has done a lot of scummy things this game" So I think her read is unreasonable. Like I said though, for me, that kind of swinging is indicative of town suki. | ||
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On February 23 2014 05:59 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote: He means you're saying Suki is scum because it's unreasonable for her to think you're scum, but she's town because her reads fluctuate a lot whilst they were rigid, then your eventual conclusion is that she's town despite thinking the read is unreasonable. If the read is unreasonable, she's scum irrelevant of other meta tells. If you think she's still town despite the read, then clearly the read is reasonable for her to make as town. How does that not make sense? Just because someone is wrong does not make them scum. | ||
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