[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot

On February 07 2014 11:28 jaybrundage wrote:

No its a null tell. It was all fluff tho. I expected more from balla tbh so maybe that's why I was a bit more critical of his first post.

On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:

It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy.

On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?

There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.

Let him play unpressed, see what happens.

On February 07 2014 12:08 Balla24 wrote:


This is a really silly post Oats, like you have barely read the thread. I've done plenty. In fact your reads are mostly just sheeps off of what I created in the thread.

I have something for you:



Guiding as in more similar last game's jaybrundage, or he's being more similar to LoneMeow? To me Aquanim is being very similar to LoneMeow atm, but there's no real loaded questions like he had and he seems to be making conclusions about stuff in the thread. His questions seemed more to try to generate discussions, and he seems very eager to do so, but he's not really accomplishing it in my opinion.

Can you elaborate on aqua's "guidiness" and how he's not trying to hunt scum?

On February 07 2014 12:55 Balla24 wrote:
Oats we're trying to clear shit up, if he's town then I don't want him to be confused about what I was doing or saying, which is what he is now. I'm not pressuring him. Once he understands what I was saying, he can make a better read on me and move on from there. Otherwise he'll just think i'm scum for untrue things.

On February 07 2014 13:51 suki wrote:
Regarding people's concerns that I'm not scum hunting, I was just having fun at the beginning of the game. So, you can decide if I'm scum hunting or not going forward.



I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started.

What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived.

In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset.

In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay.


On Koshi

Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk.

His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute.

If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch.

Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns.

On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage

What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.

Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way.

The emphasis is on how he is in such a rush to get into super-serious-scum-hunt mode, and how this attitude is making him look bad.

On February 07 2014 15:07 suki wrote:
Oats why isn't your vote on me?

Jay is objectively scummy and I'm happy where my vote is.

On February 07 2014 15:14 suki wrote:
lol get off my case Oats.

I told you why I thought Jay's play was forced and why I think it's scummy and you don't agree with it. What else am I going to do?

His case against Koshi is BAD. Seriously. Koshi is scum because he's not happy?

Tell me why you think his case against Koshi is good and maybe we can have a decent discussion.

On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:
You never sheep.
Was is dis?

On February 08 2014 23:29 Koshi wrote:

Not at all.
Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you?
How sure are you about jonny red flip?

On February 09 2014 15:07 jaybrundage wrote:

Seems to me your just messing around from last game. But at this point in the game we should be starting to get serious and you have not posted enough that we know your alignment yet.

Oats lets talk what do you think about Suki and Coag and Hopeless1der

On February 09 2014 22:15 sidesprang wrote:


Why is hopeless town? I really don't see how he can be more than a null, unless you got some meta shit on him.

And now that Jonny flipped scum I'm getting extra worried.

On February 10 2014 09:09 Aquanim wrote:
@Oatsmaster: You had a scumread on Suki in the earlier part of Day 1. Why did you drop it and what is your read on Suki now?

On February 10 2014 11:44 Balla24 wrote:
Nope, but it is one of the things.

Don't get me wrong here, I don't agree with your town read at all. I think jay is town, but your reasoning is non-existent to me. Seriously. What do you make of his vote at the deadline? What do you make of his reaction early? What do you make of his interactions with jonny? There's so much that you seem to just be ignoring because he had a decent post explaining an afk? What is that?

On February 10 2014 11:45 jaybrundage wrote:
Masta of the Oats Talk to me about sidesprang. His lurking ways are pretty sketchy atm. You think he's scum instead of lurking town. Why so?

Also I asked you earlier about Hopeless1der what are your thoughts on him?

On February 08 2014 00:58 sidesprang wrote:
I don't mind hopeless so far this game. He made good points against JayB, tho I dont agree that they have to make him scum, might just be bad. And I like that he got Balla to quit playing around with the confirmed town shit. Only problem is that all his posts have been easy posts to make even for a scum. So he is pretty much null for me atm.

On February 10 2014 12:00 Balla24 wrote:
Alright then i'm just going to have to accept the fact that your reasoning on him is complete bullshit and is made up and so are the rest of your reads:

##vote Oatsmaster

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 10 2014 12:29 Aquanim wrote:

Yup. There's 40+ hours left in the day, I have confidence in being able to narrow it down in good time before the lynch. You have a problem with that?

On February 09 2014 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote:

I totally didnt bus Johnny right guis?

I think hopeless is town, coag is town if he actually posted more than once.

On February 10 2014 12:39 Balla24 wrote:


Me tilting has nothing to do with whether you are actually scummy or not and everything to do with the fact that you were just straight up annoying me.

Now (and this is for my own statisfaction and lulz), now that TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart has ended, I have the ability to use complete information about Oats. That makes 3 town games in a row and puts him right up there with Aquanim, Jonnylaw and Alakaslam as likely mafia. (I just think it will be really funny if I nail 2 mafia with this). Actually I think I might have messed this up in the first place and it should have been up there already. I used PYP even though he had rolled in shadowed, LXIV #1 and smb.

I don't want to hard push Oats yet, but there is a case to be had in the near future, I want to see other people stuff first. Like hopeless' promised answers to my question, and stuff from coag and sidesprang.

On February 10 2014 12:40 Aquanim wrote:

Well, I've pretty clearly mentioned five people in that post. So either you can't count or that post was intended to point out that I haven't hugely narrowed down my list of suspects.

I don't see what needs "clarifying" at all about how many people were named in that post.

What I'm saying is that I think at least one or more scum got onto the vote somehow, and I think the ones that did it without much reasoning is more likely to be those scummers.

I can quite easily imagine a townie just wanting Coag gone regardless of his alignment - that's not too far away from my own position.

So what? I've seen scum make good points about other people. I again don't see what your problem is here.

. It would have looked pretty silly for him to give his thoughts on a bunch of other people and then say "By the way, I'm voting this dude I didn't even mention in this post".

On February 12 2014 12:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oats after waching the "town seal" ban list discussion unfold I had a hard time with coag. When he continued to assume I was out to get him by claiming everyone was out to get him because of slam.... I decided he was too big of a liability to leave alive. At this point I'm happy to assume he is town.

I'll post a full list post with (redundant) reasoning for each player still alive before day post tomorrow.

On February 12 2014 06:45 Aquanim wrote:
Ha! Do your worst Coag.

Reading his filter again, it's still marginal but I think there was a significant amount more thought going into his posts in the newbie, rather than just summarising the thread (which more accurately describes here).

Can't say I'm hugely confident in this one but

##Unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang

On February 12 2014 06:45 Aquanim wrote:
Ha! Do your worst Coag.

Reading his filter again, it's still marginal but I think there was a significant amount more thought going into his posts in the newbie, rather than just summarising the thread (which more accurately describes here).

Can't say I'm hugely confident in this one but

##Unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang

On February 13 2014 10:04 suki wrote:
I think Hopeless' comment that scum fake claiming blue is too ballsy is a good point in Jay's favour, and something that scum would be hesitant to point out, making it also a point in Hopeless being town.

On February 12 2014 06:02 LoneMeow wrote:
This general lack of interest in this lynch gives me bad vibes.

On February 11 2014 03:22 LoneMeow wrote:


There's a few people you don't mention here as either town or scum. What do you think about their alignments and why?

On February 11 2014 15:55 LoneMeow wrote:


Can you take some quotes from his N1 play and explain why you think those make him town?

On February 13 2014 17:25 suki wrote:
calling it a total tunnel is a misrepresentation of my activity towards Jay and my participation throughout the rest of the game.

On February 14 2014 01:22 suki wrote:
You guys...

Soft defending scum, even your own scum read, is not scummy. Town does not know scum alignments so obviously they're going to try to look at things from all directions.

Playstyle too. You think me tunneling Jay day 1 is indicative of me scum? People were agreeing with my case but went off it because of the 'blue claim'. How is trying to convince people who you think is scum, scummy?

And Jay, you soft-claimed Day 1, which saved you from a lynch. Then said nothing about it N1 or D2 or N2. What, am I going to let someone cruise by for free because of a soft claim? Even Balla wanted you to explain your claim on N2 and you didn't.

The things you are pinning on me as scummy are not scummy.

I know your only scum read is wrong and it's causing real issues trying to figure out whether you're just mistaken tunneled town or scum trying to desperately get out of the situation.

On February 15 2014 01:20 suki wrote:
@Oats

As the most townie person here your thoughts are really important. Thankfully I think you won't be killed N3 because scum has to get rid of the cop. However it's super important that you get your reads out.

What are your thoughts on LoneMeow, Hopeless right now?
Since you're our resident meta expert on Coag, do you still think he is town (D2 lynch results aside)?
Any thoughts on Jay?

On February 15 2014 12:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Well cause we have a vig then the scum would be forced to choice one of us to shoot. So the shoot can go thru or I can get a check off.

On February 15 2014 13:52 Aquanim wrote:

come on, Oats doesn't forget he's a power role *that* often

On February 17 2014 12:21 Aquanim wrote:

...and lonemeow doing the same thing, but saying that he's suspicious of the scum earlier in the day, makes him scum?

are you even fucking trying to win this game any more oats

On February 17 2014 12:46 Aquanim wrote:
How exactly have you "confirmed that hopeless is town"?

On February 17 2014 12:53 Aquanim wrote:

Do you think a scum Hopeless would evaluate that situation on Day 1 and think "I'm just going to leave my vote on someone random with no reasoning while my scumbuddy gets lynched, that will make me look super-good"? No. Sheeping onto the Jonny wagon made him no towncred, but NOTHING he did at that point was going to make him towncred.

"<Hopeless> was attacking Coag for the majority of day 2 and only switched when suki, balla, <Aqua and LM> switched. Super opportunistic." Wow, that was an easy point to refute.

Describing my play this cycle as "dumping shit on Hopeless" is a lazy misrepresentation. I'm trying to get my scumread lynched, which is more than I can say for you.

On February 17 2014 12:54 Aquanim wrote:

...to save him from being mislynched if he is indeed town? dunno if you've noticed, but votes are currently 2-2 and Coag has the hammer.

I can kind of see how he might do this as a townie, if he was absolutely and positively convinced that Lone was scum and was willing to make any deal to see him lynched. Problem is, he doesn't have a case on Lone, just some PoE... I don't see how he can be sure enough about LM-scum to make this make sense from a townie point of view.

Oats, if you can see how this makes any kind of sense from a townie Hopeless let me know. In the meantime: