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Is your top scumread still Jay?
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On February 13 2014 15:29 Aquanim wrote:
Is your top scumread still Jay?
If I could ignore the claim, yes, but there's nothing that would disprove it really, so I don't know.
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Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then?
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On February 13 2014 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 06:02 LoneMeow wrote:
This general lack of interest in this lynch gives me bad vibes. why exactly did you say this LM? I was pretty interested in it, balla/suki too.
Well yes, and that was the problem: Only a few people seemed really interested in it. And in the last ~6 hours before that post it was pretty much just me/Balla24/Coagulation discussing things.
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On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then?
Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now.
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Aquanim, was there a particular reason you asked about my first post in the game?
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On February 12 2014 23:50 Aquanim wrote:Sorry bout that, dota happened LoneMeow+ Show Spoiler +Interactions with/about JonnyLawOn February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. This was LoneMeow's first post in-game. It would seem a little odd for him to bus his scumbuddy right out the gate - then again, Jonny already had two votes on him (myself and Koshi IIRC) and was taking a decent amount of pressure. It might have just seemed like the safest course. Although actually, now that I think about it... how did LoneMeow come to this conclusion without having done a "proper read" of the thread? If you read this LM I'd like an answer, otherwise I'll ask later. He justifies his position when asked though. On February 08 2014 06:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:32 suki wrote:On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote:
Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Can you provide some examples to back this up? See for example this post from last game: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Nobody cares about past game Jonny. What better time to sit around talking. It lets us get reads we can use later. Better last game or future games or past games than fucking policy talk. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. If LoneMeow's scum he bussed JonnyLaw good and hard, at a time when I feel it wasn't immediately necessary... but I'm not entirely sure the scum team would have felt the same way. There was also that thing where Jonny claimed LoneMeow had said "lurking"/"nothing of merit" without ever really reading his filter. ...I really don't know how that reflects on LoneMeow's alignment, I'd like to hear other opinions on this one. I think it could be important though. Interactions with/about SidesprangOn February 08 2014 06:05 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 05:24 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already? Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection? The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business).
The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree. What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers? meh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200Partially contests suki's case on Sidesprang. Reads kind of similar to my own argument against Oats' case but that doesn't necessarily make LM town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200then this, about which I am also "meh". On LoneMeow's metaI went back and had a quick look at his scum meta (most recent I believe) from Newbie XLVII. Despite the fact that he was apparently posting with one hand from hospital or something, he asked some questions and appears to have had at least a little interaction with the thread. My only personal previous experience with LoneMeow was when he was scum in Newbie XLIII, in which his play was significantly less proactive. Therefore, I previously had his large amount of interaction with the thread as a strong towntell - in the light of his XLVII meta I think it's weaker. Conclusion: I don't really have one as yet. He'd be playing a pretty damn good scumgame if he is but I think he might conceivably be capable of it. obviously imma talk some more with lone and develop my read on him tomorrow. For now I'll have a look at hopeless then go to bed. Can't be assed thinking about jay until he reveals whatever is going on with this blueclaim shit.
Just to validate your thoughts, are you aware of my meta as scum?
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On February 13 2014 15:44 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now.
I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post:
On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang
Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either.
Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation?
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yeah what aqua said actually.
I just dont think hopeless is scum also. Which leaves like Coag.
Aqua/hopeless, why is Coag confirmed town because of the lynch? Couldnt have it been scum and scum?
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On February 13 2014 15:49 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 23:50 Aquanim wrote:Sorry bout that, dota happened LoneMeow+ Show Spoiler +Interactions with/about JonnyLawOn February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. This was LoneMeow's first post in-game. It would seem a little odd for him to bus his scumbuddy right out the gate - then again, Jonny already had two votes on him (myself and Koshi IIRC) and was taking a decent amount of pressure. It might have just seemed like the safest course. Although actually, now that I think about it... how did LoneMeow come to this conclusion without having done a "proper read" of the thread? If you read this LM I'd like an answer, otherwise I'll ask later. He justifies his position when asked though. On February 08 2014 06:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:32 suki wrote:On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote:
Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Can you provide some examples to back this up? See for example this post from last game: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Nobody cares about past game Jonny. What better time to sit around talking. It lets us get reads we can use later. Better last game or future games or past games than fucking policy talk. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. If LoneMeow's scum he bussed JonnyLaw good and hard, at a time when I feel it wasn't immediately necessary... but I'm not entirely sure the scum team would have felt the same way. There was also that thing where Jonny claimed LoneMeow had said "lurking"/"nothing of merit" without ever really reading his filter. ...I really don't know how that reflects on LoneMeow's alignment, I'd like to hear other opinions on this one. I think it could be important though. Interactions with/about SidesprangOn February 08 2014 06:05 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 05:24 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already? Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection? The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business).
The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree. What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers? meh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200Partially contests suki's case on Sidesprang. Reads kind of similar to my own argument against Oats' case but that doesn't necessarily make LM town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200then this, about which I am also "meh". On LoneMeow's metaI went back and had a quick look at his scum meta (most recent I believe) from Newbie XLVII. Despite the fact that he was apparently posting with one hand from hospital or something, he asked some questions and appears to have had at least a little interaction with the thread. My only personal previous experience with LoneMeow was when he was scum in Newbie XLIII, in which his play was significantly less proactive. Therefore, I previously had his large amount of interaction with the thread as a strong towntell - in the light of his XLVII meta I think it's weaker. Conclusion: I don't really have one as yet. He'd be playing a pretty damn good scumgame if he is but I think he might conceivably be capable of it. obviously imma talk some more with lone and develop my read on him tomorrow. For now I'll have a look at hopeless then go to bed. Can't be assed thinking about jay until he reveals whatever is going on with this blueclaim shit. Just to validate your thoughts, are you aware of my meta as scum?
Well you were scum in Newbie XLIII which we both played in. I also took a look at Newbie XLVII (I think that's the number?) in which you were also scum, but had a motorcycle accident or something just before the game started so you were posting with one hand from hospital.
Despite that you engaged with the thread much more than I remember from XLIII, asked questions of people and posted some reasoning behind your reads.
AFAIK you haven't played scum since then, correct me if I'm wrong here.
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On February 13 2014 15:51 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 15:44 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now. I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post: Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either. Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation?
If I'm not mistaken the votes after she switched were:
Coagulation ( 5 ) : LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim, Suki, Aquanim
Sidesprang ( 3 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation, suki, Jaybrundage
Oatsmaster ( 1 ) : Balla24, Aquanim
So I don't see why she wouldn't bus for town cred. Note that she doesn't really do anything to push the lynch, just switches her vote.
The way I see it: If we had mislynched Coagulation and then lynched sidesprang after that, it would look better for her to have been on the correct wagon. And it also distances her from sidesprang.
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On February 13 2014 15:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah what aqua said actually.
I just dont think hopeless is scum also. Which leaves like Coag.
Aqua/hopeless, why is Coag confirmed town because of the lynch? Couldnt have it been scum and scum?
Yeah I was thinking about that actually. Ordinarily the argument against both of the wagons on one day being scum is that the scumteam would have tried to set up at least one townie as a possible lynch target. BUT, if the scumteam at that point was Coag/Sidesprang they didn't have the thread presence to do anything of the sort.
So you're quite right. I don't think Coag is confirmed town based on that lynch, now that I think about it.
Which leaves us with two reasons to think Coag's town:
1) his scum meta is to post no reads or much of anything useful at all, which isn't what we've seen here
2) him getting emotional and flaming us for lynching him
Which is... meh.
Regarding 1) I'd like to think Coag isn't a complete incompetent, and could possibly play a better scumgame than his usual if he felt like it. So... meh.
Regarding 2) the question I'm thinking about is "could Coag, as scum, be mad because he thinks he's being lynched ONLY for the flaws in Alakaslam's play?".
And I'm with you here... I really just can't find the scum in the other players. It's conceivable that it's Lone or Hopeless, but I'm not really feeling it.
Coag just bailing out of the thread after the lynch and not coming back for 36 hours sits badly with me too but this being Coag what do you expect.
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On February 13 2014 15:57 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 15:49 LoneMeow wrote:On February 12 2014 23:50 Aquanim wrote:Sorry bout that, dota happened LoneMeow+ Show Spoiler +Interactions with/about JonnyLawOn February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote:
Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. This was LoneMeow's first post in-game. It would seem a little odd for him to bus his scumbuddy right out the gate - then again, Jonny already had two votes on him (myself and Koshi IIRC) and was taking a decent amount of pressure. It might have just seemed like the safest course. Although actually, now that I think about it... how did LoneMeow come to this conclusion without having done a "proper read" of the thread? If you read this LM I'd like an answer, otherwise I'll ask later. He justifies his position when asked though. On February 08 2014 06:12 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:32 suki wrote:On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote:
Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Can you provide some examples to back this up? See for example this post from last game: Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Nobody cares about past game Jonny. What better time to sit around talking. It lets us get reads we can use later. Better last game or future games or past games than fucking policy talk. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while. On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. If LoneMeow's scum he bussed JonnyLaw good and hard, at a time when I feel it wasn't immediately necessary... but I'm not entirely sure the scum team would have felt the same way. There was also that thing where Jonny claimed LoneMeow had said "lurking"/"nothing of merit" without ever really reading his filter. ...I really don't know how that reflects on LoneMeow's alignment, I'd like to hear other opinions on this one. I think it could be important though. Interactions with/about SidesprangOn February 08 2014 06:05 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2014 05:24 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already? Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection? The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion? There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business).
The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree. What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers? meh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200Partially contests suki's case on Sidesprang. Reads kind of similar to my own argument against Oats' case but that doesn't necessarily make LM town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200then this, about which I am also "meh". On LoneMeow's metaI went back and had a quick look at his scum meta (most recent I believe) from Newbie XLVII. Despite the fact that he was apparently posting with one hand from hospital or something, he asked some questions and appears to have had at least a little interaction with the thread. My only personal previous experience with LoneMeow was when he was scum in Newbie XLIII, in which his play was significantly less proactive. Therefore, I previously had his large amount of interaction with the thread as a strong towntell - in the light of his XLVII meta I think it's weaker. Conclusion: I don't really have one as yet. He'd be playing a pretty damn good scumgame if he is but I think he might conceivably be capable of it. obviously imma talk some more with lone and develop my read on him tomorrow. For now I'll have a look at hopeless then go to bed. Can't be assed thinking about jay until he reveals whatever is going on with this blueclaim shit. Just to validate your thoughts, are you aware of my meta as scum? Well you were scum in Newbie XLIII which we both played in. I also took a look at Newbie XLVII (I think that's the number?) in which you were also scum, but had a motorcycle accident or something just before the game started so you were posting with one hand from hospital. Despite that you engaged with the thread much more than I remember from XLIII, asked questions of people and posted some reasoning behind your reads. AFAIK you haven't played scum since then, correct me if I'm wrong here.
I replaced into Hogwarts but got vigged before I even really managed to catch up with the game so I don't know how useful that is.
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On February 13 2014 16:00 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 15:51 Aquanim wrote:On February 13 2014 15:44 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now. I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post: On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
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##vote Sidesprang Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either. Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation? If I'm not mistaken the votes after she switched were: Coagulation ( 5 ) : LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim, Suki, Aquanim Sidesprang ( 3 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation, suki, Jaybrundage Oatsmaster ( 1 ) : Balla24, Aquanim So I don't see why she wouldn't bus for town cred. Note that she doesn't really do anything to push the lynch, just switches her vote. The way I see it: If we had mislynched Coagulation and then lynched sidesprang after that, it would look better for her to have been on the correct wagon. And it also distances her from sidesprang.
I'd forgotten Coag had already voted Sidesprang at that point, but that vote would probably be implicit in the thread situation.
Still though my feeling for the thread at that point was that Oats was getting no traction pushing the Sidesprang lynch, the thread was largely in the mindset of "let's just lynch Coag and get this day over with". Suki jumping on the Sidesprang wagon gave it momentum and more credibility as a counterwagon.
I guess it's possible maybe that Suki misjudged what the effect would be of her getting on Sidesprang. Still though... there were plenty of people on the Coag lynch to hide behind and just sheep to a mislynch.
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On February 13 2014 16:05 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 15:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah what aqua said actually.
I just dont think hopeless is scum also. Which leaves like Coag.
Aqua/hopeless, why is Coag confirmed town because of the lynch? Couldnt have it been scum and scum?
Yeah I was thinking about that actually. Ordinarily the argument against both of the wagons on one day being scum is that the scumteam would have tried to set up at least one townie as a possible lynch target. BUT, if the scumteam at that point was Coag/Sidesprang they didn't have the thread presence to do anything of the sort. So you're quite right. I don't think Coag is confirmed town based on that lynch, now that I think about it. Which leaves us with two reasons to think Coag's town: 1) his scum meta is to post no reads or much of anything useful at all, which isn't what we've seen here 2) him getting emotional and flaming us for lynching him Which is... meh. Regarding 1) I'd like to think Coag isn't a complete incompetent, and could possibly play a better scumgame than his usual if he felt like it. So... meh. Regarding 2) the question I'm thinking about is "could Coag, as scum, be mad because he thinks he's being lynched ONLY for the flaws in Alakaslam's play?". And I'm with you here... I really just can't find the scum in the other players. It's conceivable that it's Lone or Hopeless, but I'm not really feeling it. Coag just bailing out of the thread after the lynch and not coming back for 36 hours sits badly with me too but this being Coag what do you expect.
Being angry about being lynched is totally null to me. It's quite possible that Coagulation wanted to give sidesprang town cred if he thought there was no way out for him. But really, the meta difference is so huge that I'm not considering him a top lynch right now.
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On February 13 2014 16:09 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 16:00 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 15:51 Aquanim wrote:On February 13 2014 15:44 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now. I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post: On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
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##vote Sidesprang Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either. Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation? If I'm not mistaken the votes after she switched were: Coagulation ( 5 ) : LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim, Suki, Aquanim Sidesprang ( 3 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation, suki, Jaybrundage Oatsmaster ( 1 ) : Balla24, Aquanim So I don't see why she wouldn't bus for town cred. Note that she doesn't really do anything to push the lynch, just switches her vote. The way I see it: If we had mislynched Coagulation and then lynched sidesprang after that, it would look better for her to have been on the correct wagon. And it also distances her from sidesprang. I'd forgotten Coag had already voted Sidesprang at that point, but that vote would probably be implicit in the thread situation. Still though my feeling for the thread at that point was that Oats was getting no traction pushing the Sidesprang lynch, the thread was largely in the mindset of "let's just lynch Coag and get this day over with". Suki jumping on the Sidesprang wagon gave it momentum and more credibility as a counterwagon. I guess it's possible maybe that Suki misjudged what the effect would be of her getting on Sidesprang. Still though... there were plenty of people on the Coag lynch to hide behind and just sheep to a mislynch.
Are you aware of suki's scum meta? I hosted NMM LI - after that I'm extremely wary of her bussing teammates...
I'm more like thinking suki did not expect Balla24 to jump on sidesprang and start seriously pushing the vote - that's what got sidesprang lynched, far more than suki herself switching.
This is basically Balla24's suspicions before suki went on sidesprang:
On February 10 2014 12:39 Balla24 wrote:
I don't want to hard push Oats yet, but there is a case to be had in the near future, I want to see other people stuff first. Like hopeless' promised answers to my question, and stuff from coag and sidesprang.
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On February 13 2014 16:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 16:09 Aquanim wrote:On February 13 2014 16:00 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 15:51 Aquanim wrote:On February 13 2014 15:44 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote:
Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now. I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post: On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either. Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation? If I'm not mistaken the votes after she switched were: Coagulation ( 5 ) : LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim, Suki, Aquanim Sidesprang ( 3 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation, suki, Jaybrundage Oatsmaster ( 1 ) : Balla24, Aquanim So I don't see why she wouldn't bus for town cred. Note that she doesn't really do anything to push the lynch, just switches her vote. The way I see it: If we had mislynched Coagulation and then lynched sidesprang after that, it would look better for her to have been on the correct wagon. And it also distances her from sidesprang. I'd forgotten Coag had already voted Sidesprang at that point, but that vote would probably be implicit in the thread situation. Still though my feeling for the thread at that point was that Oats was getting no traction pushing the Sidesprang lynch, the thread was largely in the mindset of "let's just lynch Coag and get this day over with". Suki jumping on the Sidesprang wagon gave it momentum and more credibility as a counterwagon. I guess it's possible maybe that Suki misjudged what the effect would be of her getting on Sidesprang. Still though... there were plenty of people on the Coag lynch to hide behind and just sheep to a mislynch. Are you aware of suki's scum meta? I hosted NMM LI - after that I'm extremely wary of her bussing teammates... I'm more like thinking suki did not expect Balla24 to jump on sidesprang and start seriously pushing the vote - that's what got sidesprang lynched, far more than suki herself switching. This is basically Balla24's suspicions before suki went on sidesprang: Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 12:39 Balla24 wrote:
I don't want to hard push Oats yet, but there is a case to be had in the near future, I want to see other people stuff first. Like hopeless' promised answers to my question, and stuff from coag and sidesprang.
I'm vaguely aware of her scum meta - I'll take a hard look at LI and see if I can see it matching here.
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still digesting LI, but here's a thought:
After voting sidesprang and answering a question I had about a town read on Oats, suki posted nothing between then and the lynch, but was clearly present for at least some of that time since she posted just after it:
On February 12 2014 07:06 suki wrote:Yay guys   I think Day 2 went well for us. Everybody contributed. We should be able to root out the last scum from this.
I hadn't quite realised that before now. And I definitely think there were things worth talking about in the thread.
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bleh I keep thinking there are 4 scum :/
LM, what else makes suki scum? Also, are you willing to lynch outside Jay/suki today?
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I just read suki's start of day 3, it feels really weird, she starts off really hard pushing jayB for lynch, so her preferred lynch since the start of the game. And she somehow finds out that she is wrong over a short 2 hour period so switches to LM. I feel like she wouldve been way more resistant considering it sound like she was 100% sure at the start of the day.
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