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hm gonna chime in here and think it might be likely suki is scum. Ill respond to your case later on Lonemeow.
I am Lel tired and I don't have the energy or will power to respond to it adaqatically
I was getting kind of scared always second glancing at my town reads saying he could be scum or this person could be scum.
But in the end it is 1 scum and 6 townies. Process of elimination narrows down the reads alot. Just use Occam's razor to see if someone is town or not.
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On February 13 2014 17:41 suki wrote: Ah. I stand corrected then. Still, there's a lot of pressure on me and it's been this sort of nagging constant the whole game.
Like, from the start people were like suki could be scum she's really good at it. I just don't see what I could have done differently that would have made people not see me as scummy.
Do you really not understand how your soft defending of JonnyLaw early in the game looks?
Another infamous "let's give him time" post:
On February 08 2014 06:29 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote: If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. true but so far he's been in the thread twice I believe? Right at the beginning and then when he was drunk. Let's see how he fares when he comes back today.
Then a "me too" scum read on JonnyLaw:
On February 08 2014 13:31 suki wrote: Right now my second lynch is Jonny.
I think the points brought up by Balla are quite valid. I found his lack of comment on Jay strange (even before I really started tunneling Jay). He promised a big post on Balla and has not delivered which is really fishy. Points in his favour are that his playstyle hasn't changed dramatically (still one liners, still mostly angry), and a good player once told me that he's never seen a scum player post in the thread when they're drunk.
I think that his activity the next time he comes into the thread is going to make or break my read on him.
If somehow Jay became off-limits for the lynch and I had to choose right now based on my general impressions, I'd vote for Jonny.
Then defending JonnyLaw again (see especially the italics I added):
On February 09 2014 00:11 suki wrote: I just can't get over my read on Jay. He's scum to me through and through. Even before he started blowing up at me his attitude just didn't make sense and didn't fit with his town play. People give him the pass for 'making changes' but they never explain why these changes make it more likely that he's town.
If it's between Jonny and Jay, then I'll push Jay.
Jonny's case on Koshi based on the early gameis so bad. His continued use of the previous game to provide examples is stupid. However if I give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that he was working and he's short on time, then it's easier to accept that his cases are bad. At least he's pushing cases, giving reads freely, being upfront.
Contrast it with Jay's behavior. Yes, I am tunneling Jay. I'm just so damn sure of him. I don't buy his blue 'claim' at all (true-blue townie? what kind of stupid claim is that). How is it that Jay's been here so much more than Jonny and yet he's the one that has less scum-hunting activity?
Remember how we were like when Koshi came into this game and claimed he was going to be super active, that if he didn't hold up to it then he's an easy lynch? Jay came into this game with an over the top IM GONNA HUNT SCUM attitude and he HAS NOT DELIVERED. Fuck.
I am willing to give Jonny a second chance. His cases that he made are bad but that's no reason to fault him, at least he made cases, posted opinions and pushed the person he thought was scummy.
What is Jay doing? Jonny came in and had no problems making a shitty case on Koshi just now yet I ask Jay why he thinks Koshi is scum and he dodges hard and later says 'Koshi is null'. Jay can't even stick to his own guns.
Look at the votes in the thread. EVERYONE is on Jonny. Everyone. But there's so much hesitation with Jay.
Face it, Jonny's the easy (mis)lynch target and not because he's been playing scummy, but because he has a few tweaks to his game that are suspicious (such as not flaming people for excuses, not commenting on Jay), because he's been away and because his cases are horrible.
BUT he is OBJECTIVELY (yes Oats, Objectively) doing more pro-town things than Jay.
Arrghghghghgh.
You were defending your scum read!
I need to stop tunneling and look into other candidates, but for now: ##Vote: suki
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The biggest reason is different play styles. You can see a big difference between Suki last game as town and this game. You can see a difference in hopless1der as well for instance as last game as him scum and this game.
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Hei Lonemeow I like that last case alot. Speaks volumes about Suki's alignment. I find it kind of odd that she would choose to Night kill balla tho. I guess he did write that one case on her so I guess he showed that he could see her thru her if given the opportunity
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On February 13 2014 18:41 jaybrundage wrote: Hei Lonemeow I like that last case alot. Speaks volumes about Suki's alignment. I find it kind of odd that she would choose to Night kill balla tho. I guess he did write that one case on her so I guess he showed that he could see her thru her if given the opportunity
IMHO Balla24 was the obvious shot, period.
If anyone was confirmed town from the lynch it was him. The fact is, he made a serious push at 5-4 votes that lead to the swap that got scum lynched.
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Also something to note. Suki was pushing me for me to blue claim today. She posted this which is basically a case against me because I had not claimed yet. There was nothing else mentioned basically.
It's all coming together. I had thought Suki was scum earlier but Balla's influnce always made me switch my read because I was pretty damn convinced he was town and his opinion held alot of weight for me
On February 13 2014 07:23 suki wrote: So anyways what I was going to say is, Jay avoided being lynched Day 1 by claiming blue. That is, people who were suspicious of him ended up voting Jonny instead because he claimed.
Now that it's Day 3, he has not explained what that claim was about. Nor do I think there is a good explanation. Also because Jay was claiming blue, scum should have killed him either N1 or N2. This didn't happen.
Jay was scummy to me on Day 1, his Day 2 has been shown to be weak. He has no explanation or follow up for his blue claim.
##vote JayBrundage
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Enough about suki for now, let's talk about Hopeless1der. Anything about him that sticks out as especially indicative of his alignment?
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I liked the REBOOT ALL THE THINGS. Very straightforward. Shows a relaxed mindset and carefree not worried about appearances. He appears to be thinking about the game. His posting style is much different from his last game with us.
Much less aggression, personal attacking and making cases based on faulty evidence. Like how he twisted my words to mean something very different.
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for making cases based on faulty evidence was his scum play. He put words in my mouth.
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Anywho I'm out but I think Suki is the last scum. It just makes the most sense. Balla's case is still applicable as well as my reads on her. Hell there are alot of good cases on her.
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The most glaring problem with Hopeless1der is not actually the fact that he's not been vocal about either of the lynched scum but the way he made a huge case on suki and did not follow up at all. No push, no pressure.
And then there's excuses:
On February 13 2014 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote: a large portion of it is that I "forgot" about my scumread on suki which is patently untrue. I grew incredibly apathetic due to coag's behavior and stopped playing for the most part. Aside from that, people calling me scum are playing the game. I look bad, I never commented on sprang and scarcely commented on Jonny. When calling me scum, it only means you are wrong, not bad. That's my fault, but meh we're doing so well I doubt it'll matter in the end.
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My primary excuse is that I haven't been up for lynch. I play so much worse when I dont feel like I'm going to die.
Suki makes the most sense, I'm sticking with that. ##Unvote ##Vote: Suki
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On February 13 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote: My primary excuse is that I haven't been up for lynch. I play so much worse when I dont feel like I'm going to die.
Suki makes the most sense, I'm sticking with that. ##Unvote ##Vote: Suki
Who else could you consider voting?
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On February 13 2014 23:01 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote: My primary excuse is that I haven't been up for lynch. I play so much worse when I dont feel like I'm going to die.
Suki makes the most sense, I'm sticking with that. ##Unvote ##Vote: Suki Who else could you consider voting? You then coag I guess.
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On February 13 2014 23:13 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 23:01 LoneMeow wrote:On February 13 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote: My primary excuse is that I haven't been up for lynch. I play so much worse when I dont feel like I'm going to die.
Suki makes the most sense, I'm sticking with that. ##Unvote ##Vote: Suki Who else could you consider voting? You then coag I guess.
I take it that means you believe in jaybrundage's claim? Or is there something else that makes him look better?
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well there's the claim and the fact that I want to lynch suki so its associative to her.
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Hopeless1der, is there a particular reason why you'd lynch me and Coagulation before Aquanim? You mentioned his D1 play but said nothing about D2, how does that look to you?
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You guys...
Soft defending scum, even your own scum read, is not scummy. Town does not know scum alignments so obviously they're going to try to look at things from all directions.
Playstyle too. You think me tunneling Jay day 1 is indicative of me scum? People were agreeing with my case but went off it because of the 'blue claim'. How is trying to convince people who you think is scum, scummy?
And Jay, you soft-claimed Day 1, which saved you from a lynch. Then said nothing about it N1 or D2 or N2. What, am I going to let someone cruise by for free because of a soft claim? Even Balla wanted you to explain your claim on N2 and you didn't.
The things you are pinning on me as scummy are not scummy.
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Look at my contributions, my analysis, my line of thought.
Anyways, I'm going to take another look at people and post my thoughts in a bit.
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