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On February 12 2014 12:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
well if geript didnt replace i wouldnt think its a big deal. I just think its weird that wave is willing to totally ignore/lynch keir even though he clearly wants to play the game and will give input, scum or not.
I'm not totally going to ignore him.
When did I say that?
He's a scumread and I'm voting for him.
Doesn't mean I'm not going to listen to him.
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On February 12 2014 12:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
well if geript didnt replace i wouldnt think its a big deal. I just think its weird that wave is willing to totally ignore/lynch keir even though he clearly wants to play the game and will give input, scum or not.
If I were to go through a quick search through your games would I find you voting for a replacement at the start of a day? Would I find you ignoring other people voting for a replacement at the start of a day? I have a strong feeling that I would.
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On February 12 2014 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 12:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
well if geript didnt replace i wouldnt think its a big deal. I just think its weird that wave is willing to totally ignore/lynch keir even though he clearly wants to play the game and will give input, scum or not.
If I were to go through a quick search through your games would I find you voting for a replacement at the start of a day? Would I find you ignoring other people voting for a replacement at the start of a day? I have a strong feeling that I would.
I dunno, you probably shouldnt waste your time on that though.
Wave, voting means you intend to lynch him right? And when you intend to lynch someone, you obviously dont really take their opinions seriously because they are scum. Man, I just felt like you voted because geript was your scumread and you should vote for scumreads.
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On February 12 2014 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:On February 12 2014 12:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
well if geript didnt replace i wouldnt think its a big deal. I just think its weird that wave is willing to totally ignore/lynch keir even though he clearly wants to play the game and will give input, scum or not.
If I were to go through a quick search through your games would I find you voting for a replacement at the start of a day? Would I find you ignoring other people voting for a replacement at the start of a day? I have a strong feeling that I would. I dunno, you probably shouldnt waste your time on that though. Wave, voting means you intend to lynch him right? And when you intend to lynch someone, you obviously dont really take their opinions seriously because they are scum. Man, I just felt like you voted because geript was your scumread and you should vote for scumreads.
I....
I'm going to let what you just said sink in for a minute.
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i'm cohosting?
VisceraEyes (1): Risen
VayneAuthority (1): Oatsmaster
Keirathi (1): WaveofShadow
Oatsmaster (1): Grackaroni
Currently, VisceraEyes is set to be lynched. If you see a mistake, please notify us. Voting is mandatory.
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##Unvote: Oatsmaster
##Vote: Holyflare
I guess we can table this for the time being. I agree with Vayne regardless of whatever weird contradiction he had in his mind earlier and whatever weird town slipping Yamato might have done if he is scum.
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I'll explain tomorrow, but he is our best bet.
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Do you think I'm scum Oats?
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Nah not at this point of time.
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Alright, done with my read through.
The person I think we should be lynching today is VisceraEyes.
There are a couple of things that really stood out to me when I went back through his filter:
1) His "read" on Oats
Remember this quote from early in the game?
On February 09 2014 16:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I agree with that what you say about Koshi. His play lacks...I don't know what else to call it but direction. Like, take Oats for example. That last post by Oats, while succinct, explains Oats thoughts about someone. And while he's not in here writing paragraphs, that's the kind of post I'd expect from a town aligned Oats. I expect similar almost effortless forays into the thread from a town-aligned Koshi that I'm not seeing here.
On February 11 2014 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And where did the scumread on Koshi go? The scumread on Koshi diminished as the things I said his play was lacking started resurfacing.... the effortless forays into the thread that I used Oats as an example for? Yeah, they actually started happening, so I removed my vote from Koshi.
Those are the only times he mentions Oats until:
On February 12 2014 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Oats/geript/Vayne/yamato is a fine scumteam.
On February 12 2014 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH YEAH KOSHI.
Oats/geript/Vayne/Koshi. ftw.
And...that's it. Now, there were lots of talk about Oats during the nomination phase, so it's possible that his read just changed because of them, but I don't think so. Because Oats is still doing the same stuff that VE expects a town Oats to do (And presumably this are things that VE believes that scum Oats *WOULDN'T* do, because if town and scum Oats both do then then the read is nonsensical anyways). But now he's scum? And presumably his top scum read (maybe they aren't in order? Dunno)?
Side note: his scum read on Koshi at the end of the Nomination phase was a bit strange too. I mean, Koshi is still doing those "effortless forays into the thread", but he's scum now too. Although this one I can at least understand a bit since VE gave some reasoning. Geript too, for that matter. VE said "meh, I'm okay with geript for now" but he was suddenly back in the list too.
2) Also this post really jumped out at me as being contrived:
On February 12 2014 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I shat on the Cora lynch. PRETTY sure I wouldn't do that as scum, but I guess it depends on who is next in line.
Is that what you call it, VE? Shitting on the lynch?
On February 08 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 17:07 geript wrote:
Actually, instead of answering that VE, tell me if you plan to approach Cora using the GERIPT IN THE GAME (tm) approach to Cora. That's the best option imo. I don't know what this means, but Cora is feeling fine to me for now. Inquisitive enough and active enough to not lynch for me.
then 24 hours later:
On February 09 2014 18:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meeeehhhh...it's not really any different from what I expect from twonCora so far yamato. Like...you even said it, his only opinions are of people attacking him. He found you all so he's clearly reading the thread right?
On February 09 2014 18:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I read what you posted I just dnt think it makes him scum. I meant Cora's filter.
At this point, there was 1 vote on Cora from 12+ hours ago, and still ~18 hours left in the day. Yamato was talking about cora, but there wasn't any momentum yet, so I assume that's not what you're talking about.
On February 10 2014 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmer was that last bit about Cora necessary? Like okay if you agree with Holy case then fine but what did you hope to accomplish by attacking him personally?
On February 10 2014 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've literally never been able to correctly identify Grack's alignment. I'll look at the filters you provided, but I'll tell you that your bullet points don't really convince me. Like, a few people are getting "free passes" and how does that mean that any of them are scum? While it's true that scum wouldn't be chomping at the bit to bring up their buddies if they're skating by, why could they just not be townies getting a free pass from other townies due to being lost in the shuffle?
And the Cora lynch - I agree that it having too much steam is troubling, but why does that reflect on Grack for any reason?
That's what you call "shitting on the Cora lynch"? Once the train started rolling on Cora, not once did you even say you thought he was town ("I dont think it makes him scum" is not the same thing as "I think he's town"...too non-committal), not once did you try to convince anyone he was town, not once did you even try to swing the lynch off of Cora onto someone you thought was scum.
You parked your vote on VA 4 hours before this series of posts, then came back to the thread for an hour just to say that you can never read Grack and comment on some other meaningless stuff, and then disappeared until after the deadline. That's not "shitting on the lynch" that's being apathetic towards the lynch. Which *IS* something scum VE would do.
And for that matter, this post is kind of boggling too:
On February 11 2014 03:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 11 2014 03:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 11 2014 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 11 2014 03:06 Koshi wrote:
In theory VA lynch was always better than Cora lynch if we look at it now. So what I said didn't make much sense.
I am in a idk state atm. Everything is blurry except some townreads and people I don't want to kill if I had the power.
We wait and see. So why is one of me or marv or both scum? No bish. ME. You're talking to ME rayn. You've been in here stoking the "VE is Mafia" flames and it ends. Why didn't you want to lynch VA with me? Because you never really wanted to lynch Vayne. I would expect more from you, especially in this game where players are not bad. Why are you not playing VE? I am playing, I wanted to lynch Vayne. Such is explicit in my posts. I wasn't around at deadline, but that doesn't make me scum does it rayn? Go read Shadow if you need evidence of that. And guess what's for dinner tonight! MOTHERFUCKING PORKCHOPS RAYN! I gave reasoning for why I think Vayne is mafia. I voted for Vayne. I tried to get others to vote Vayne. Whatever you say along the lines of "VE didn't really want to lynch Vayne" is an outright lie.
Gave reasoning why you think vayne is mafia. Okay, I can buy that:
On February 09 2014 17:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well I will say this. I was expecting more on VAs return than "lynch noncontributors by policy˝. It stuck out to me because I pulled that same shit as mafia on Nomination.
On February 09 2014 17:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well looking at his filter, he seems to like...want you to think he is scumhunting right? But then comes in later and sayshe wants to policy lynch lurkers? Like he was talking about PoEing the scum or whatever, has he abandoned that approach entirely because scum aren't likely to nominate lurkers?
I just don't understand how a townie gets from A to B you know?
But tried to get others to vote for Vayne? Where?
On February 10 2014 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
We all should lynch VA. For the town.
That's not what I call "trying to get others to vote for Vayne". That's plopping a vote down and saying "sheep me!" and buggering off about it. Where's the "Hey marv, take a look at Vayne for me? I posted some reasons why I think he's scum like 8 hours ago and I think he's a good lynch." Or anything of the sort. There's no engagement there. No passion.
It all just feels kinda fake.
TL;DR - making up reads as he goes, being apathetic towards the lynch when he supposedly had a solid town read on the main lynch candidate and a solid scum read on someone else, etc. VE be scum, yo.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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Other people I'm interested in but don't have time to write up a lot about tonight:
Vayne - I agree with marv's reasonings here. The stuff surrounding the lynch is pretty damning. My slight hesitation here though is that I dunno if I can see VE and VA scum together. It's *POSSIBLE*, considering that for all the blustering that VE has done about VA, I still don't really feel like he put a lot into actually trying to get him lynched day 1. But I dunno if it's likely. And VA's defeatist attitude at the end of the nomination phase puts him slightly lower than VE on my reads.
yamato - The vayne stuff that was pointed out was pretty good. Also a happy little coincidence that VE's random reads on Oats/Geript/Koshi happened to push yamato off of his possible scum list?
That's about it for now. I'll try to read Holy/Grack sometime tomorrow.
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Marv is alive so I don't have to make compromises.
##Vote VayneAuthority
Until you come up with a satisfactory explanation of your entire game, along with cases on your top scumreads. I see no reason to keep you alive.
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I see people are calling me mafia all of a sudden just because I haven't been here?
Very, very upsetting.
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On February 12 2014 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 18:16 yamato77 wrote:On February 09 2014 18:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meeeehhhh...it's not really any different from what I expect from twonCora so far yamato. Like...you even said it, his only opinions are of people attacking him. He found you all so he's clearly reading the thread right? So he doesn't read as scum? That's a non-sequitur. What I said was, this is similar to how he was playing in Quiet Game, which is true. Also, his reads are pathetically shallow and he doesn't seem very interested in furthering them, either. When asked, he basically just said, "Yeah, I think he (Palmar) is scum but I'm not going to do anything until he comes back." Weeeeeeeak. No one but Palmar has been strongly pushing any of their reads and I'm tired of letting these low-effort players play like this. I mean, this town is like, drowning in nonchalance. Where's the impetus? I for one find this post ironic and would like everyone to reflect on its significance.
Ironic?
I think there's a marked difference between me being UNABLE TO PLAY and players like Vayne/Cora/Oats/Grack who willingly do nothing when they are in the thread.
This is basically the whole foundation of your scum read on me? The fact that I've been inactive (and told you I would be)?
Coincidentally, or perhaps not, the timing of this post reeks. After I've shot down the idea that my read on VA was somehow "inconsistent", I'm attacked by VE/Grack/Wave all in one page in a "yamato is scum" circlejerk.
Do not like this reasoning one bit.
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On February 11 2014 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
man why am I the only dude who thinks yamato's answer is scummy?
He wanted to lynch someone who he was confident he can read but currently was null for him.
I thought he COULD be readable. Vayne being readable is dependent on how he plays, not on anything I can do. If he's going to be unreadable, he is a perfectly good lynch candidate.
It's difficult to tell if you're just this thickheaded or if you're maliciously trying to misrepresent my post.
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On February 12 2014 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also how he pushed cora lynch and then blamed the rest of town for it after lolol
This is the pathetic +1 of Wave's that I find scummy. It's pretty self-explanatory if you read it in context.
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On February 12 2014 17:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 23:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
man why am I the only dude who thinks yamato's answer is scummy?
He wanted to lynch someone who he was confident he can read but currently was null for him. I thought he COULD be readable. Vayne being readable is dependent on how he plays, not on anything I can do. If he's going to be unreadable, he is a perfectly good lynch candidate. It's difficult to tell if you're just this thickheaded or if you're maliciously trying to misrepresent my post.
What? Isnt how he plays how you read him? ???
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do something instead of bitching about people calling you scum yamato.
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On February 12 2014 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
do something instead of bitching about people calling you scum yamato.
there are scum calling me scum, Oats
are you one? do you not understand that Vayne has the CAPABILITY of playing in a readable way, but IS NOT PLAYING IN A READABLE WAY, AND THUS SHOULD DIE?
What is so fucking difficult?
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