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On February 17 2014 23:29 Holyflare wrote: It's funny how full of crap you are, you aren't doing anything other than making VE annoyed and what benefit does that have to anyone? You think grack is town, VE will get emotional and you'll be all "oh maybe he is town lynch anyway" and you aren't going to lynch yourself so if you actually cared about winning the game you'd realise it was time to stfu now and talk about progressing the next days lynch. I am not trying to annoy him. I asked him in the most pleasing manner I could to provide us with his reads and die. You're making up stuff on the spot here. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Anything you can do to get that scumread Palmar. First it was because I "wasn't playing" even though I was, in fact, playing, now it's because I don't have a townread on you while you're making shit up to try and get me lynched. LOL Just keep reaching bro. The first point still stands. I couldn't "make up" the other part until it became clear that you still think I'm scum. It's not reaching, I've called you out multiple times over the course of the first few days on doing nothing, or very little, and not explaining any of your reads. All these things still stand. Given your recent contributions, you may in fact be town, but I don't think I can ever clear you. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't do "literally nothing". I didn't have firm scumreads, but then NO ONE did, and that was a major reason why people weren't having fun and stumbling over themselves to KILL THEMSELVES. Palmar you're being thick-headed and ignorant. You're using false heuristics and buzz words to try and paint me in a scummy light, and it all stinks of pushing an agenda. You know who else wanted to lynch me Palmar? Keirathi, lynched scum. Went on a fucking TIRADE to do it. I think we just lynch all the people who want to lynch VE and we win. Starting with you. You had no influence in town and you were fine with it. If you think I'm scum I'm by definition not being thick-headed and ignorant, as that would mean I'd know I was being wrong. I think I'm being right. Do you agree with Holyflare that Grack is scum VE? | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:37 Holyflare wrote: HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS BUT THEN NOT WANT TO DISCUSS GRACK WHO DIDNT DO ANYTHING TILL DAY 3 AND EVEN THEN STILL DID NOTHING :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Because I know VE far better than I know Grack. I admit, I am not 100% sure on Grack being town. I think he is, but I can't be sure. There is a reason I voted for him over Koshi, I was more sure Koshi is town. Obviously I'm not going to have the energy to read Grack today, but if we do this correctly and lynch VE today, I will absolutely listen to each and every argument. I'm going to have to anyway. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Let me ask you Palmar: why do you feel like town has a better chance of winning with Grack alive than with me alive assuming we're both town? If you're both town, we're better off with you alive. | ||
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I think there's a 80% chance Grack is town, I value his reads 4 (scale of 1-10). I think there's a 60% chance you're town, I value your reads 8 (scale 1-10). From my point of view it's far better to confirm you, and get good reads, than to confirm grack and get bad reads, on the guy who I had less scumspicion on in the first place. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:43 Risen wrote: Lol. That five forty tho I want grack lynched so people will listen to him about hf if he's town. I support this. We could do this, I might consider lynching Grack if HF agrees that we auto-lynch him if Grack flips town. Does that sound good HF? | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:45 VisceraEyes wrote: PALMAR DIES TODAY. NO ONE VOTES ANYONE BUT PALMAR OR CLAIMS FUCKING SCUM. Why? there is literally no reason for townies to vote for me, given what has gone on so far in this game. You're just yelling in hopes of people listening to that instead of thinking... | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually, belay that. I'm just gonna fuck off for a little bit and come back later. Maybe then I won't be furious and saying things I may or may not actually mean. Why are you so mad? I asked you really nicely! I've given great respect to your play in mafia. I have no idea why you're raging. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:48 Holyflare wrote: like what the hell kind of question was that lol?? I was just gauging how confident you felt in your scumread on Grack. Not much to it really. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote: I don't get it, if i'm wrong I'm wrong, I've stated why I THINK Grack is scum and nobody has even commented on anything i've posted other than grack himself but suddenly it's auto-lynch if wrong and then that would just be a lost game. Is this a newbie game or what? I want to discuss it like normal people and I've asked so many times to discuss and only VE has done it and we only got so far as risen yesterday. Yet now you're making lynch plans on who we are lynching and in what order instead of why we should be lynching these people? We can only lynch one person per day. Since you brought up your points about Grack we haven't had a good day to discuss lynching him on. We agree that it's a shame he didn't get lynched on the Koshi lynch day. It's possible today is that day, but the problem is that VE is who he's up against. I wish I could just have a townread on VE, but I simply don't. I am more than willing to listen to a Grack lynch theory tomorrow, especially if VE finds time to read up on Grack before he dies tonight and reaches the same conclusion you do. As I already stated, my question was intended to figure out how you felt about your read (I've even done it myself "I know this guy is scum, lynch him and you can lynch me if I'm wrong"). Maybe that's not how you play, but I don't know you very well. | ||
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On February 17 2014 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote: You want to kill me off so that you can "trust my reads" while you're sitting here developing your own picture of how the lynches are going to go later. You don't give a shit about my reads. You're just blowing smoke up my ass so that I'm like "Oh well if Palmar thinks I'm town then it's okay for me to die. Herp derp." Why do you assume I'm lying. I'm begging you to work with me. I have no idea why you are so against it. Hell if you can prove to me Grack is scum, I'll lynch him today, but then you'd also have to explain why you didn't just vote him last nomination lynch over Koshi. I really, really want to know who you think is scum, and why. Can you please do this for me? | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:01 Risen wrote: "I am more than willing to listen to a Grack lynch theory tomorrow" Wtf palmar? You'd waste the fucking lylo lynch on someone you could safely lynch in the next nomination cycle? Are you dense? If I think he has the highest chance of flipping scum, sure. I always lynch the guy I think will flip scum, especially in lylo. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over. That's 2/3, and apparently I'm scum too. Do you still think Risen is scum given his contributions in this last page? I agree with Holy they're basically worthless, but I also think they feel somewhat genuine, he has a thought process and he's following it. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I've gone on and on about why I think yamato and Risen are scum. If you're at all interested in my reads you would know this. I'm afk until after this farce is over. Going to go find your reasons. On February 14 2014 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I want to lynch Risen. Does anyone NOT want to lynch Risen except for Risen? On February 16 2014 02:22 VisceraEyes wrote: ALSO RISEN IS STILL IN THIS GAME LMAO On February 16 2014 02:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Like LOL that people are calling me scum when Risen is still alive. LOL On February 16 2014 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know, Oats is with Grack/Risen for me. I think we might be able to narrow it down with the coming days if we get two scum flips in Keir/Yamato. On February 16 2014 07:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah Risen isn't making any kind of impact on this game. I'll look at his filter when I get back to a computer. On February 16 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Undue suspicion? What makes you think Risen is town? On February 16 2014 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: As I said...Risen is in a null area for me. Some stuff he says rubs me the wrong way, including stuff NOT about VE, but nothing jumps out at me as super scummy. I need to filter him when I get to computer to check out HF point about him. On February 16 2014 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote: The thing about Risen's return to the thread is that he's accusing HF of having a carefully worded, possibly leading question to me. But the thing is presumably Risen has a scumread on me, and the lynch candidate is Keirathi. Now Risen is spotted earlier in his filter numbering both myself and Keirathi in his "would lynch" lists. So presuming he's telling the truth, why is his first act in the cycle to just sheep the Keirathi lynch with no reasoning or reservation. I mean, the lynch wasn't fully decided at this point but it's fair to say that sentiment was favoring it. Why then is he not concerned about potential scum VE voting for the wagon? In fact, why does he not have any updated thoughts on anyone at all? Why is his only impulse to defend himself against an accusation that was in reality never even made? I'm not seeing anything when I filtered him where Holyflare is talking about, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and unless Holyflare clarifies what he means I have to assume his point is null...but Risen's activity during this past cycle looks really bad. Almost worse than the Keir-Yamato association. Still going over still. On February 17 2014 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah HF, that actually does look bad. Like, take his mention of Keir in "Why isn't Keir getting lynched again?" Think about it in the context of the question he asked. Why isn't Keir getting lynched? He's asking people to verbalize their reasoning for not lynching Keir. He's not trying to get people /to/ vote for Keir, in spite of saying that he thinks Keir is a good lynch. He's trying to get the opposite accomplished - he wants people to say why they think he's town or a bad lynch. Okay so I'm about convinced Risen is mafia. The question becomes: who dies first? Yamato or Risen? I'll look at both and decide who I think it should be later on. On February 17 2014 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote: You haven't said anything. You're going on about possible theory behind playing LYLO. Thx I guess? You haven't given any reasoning for why you feel the way you do about anyone in the game, so I don't care what you think we should do in the days ahead. If you want to make me care, then show me why you're suspicious of the people you are. You've been going on about VE scum for the last 2 or 3 cycles and now all of a sudden you can't, so I want to know who you /are/ suspicious of now and why. Just posting for better readability for myself. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:10 Holyflare wrote: anyone can rationalise a town thought process when doing lylo mathematics "i am town and these are all town reads so these must be scum" is the easiest thing in the world to do, the thing he isn't doing and what makes him scum is that he's not explaining these reads in detail and out loud and he hasn't done so the entire game hence why I keep trying to get him to do it and the only thing he returns to the thread to do is talk about the lynch order again (this is the 2nd time now, it happened yesterday after me and ve came to the conclusion he was scum) Yes, and I wasn't kidding when I said we should just lynch him for worrying about his meta more than winning and using it as an excuse for not posting. I have a few reservations about lynching him though. 1. He responded to my "do you think you're obvious town" on day 1. The only other person to respond was geript. Risen then proceeded to immediately call for geript to explain why he should be considered obvious town. I gave Risen town points at the time for it because geript really had no business thinking other players should have a town read on him, which greatly strengthened my scumread on geript. I think Risen also called geript out more on day 1. 2. He has ever since day 2 been trying to lynch me. Given the disproportionate amount of influence I have had in the thread due to the triple-townie-nomination with marv and rayn it seems just like a bad idea in general for mafia to not trust me. The expected behavior here is to trust me, so I would assume mafia would adhere to that. Sure, it's not enough to make him town, but I don't feel particularly confident lynching him. | ||
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On February 18 2014 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hes just shitting on us and disturbing the flow of the game Palmar. You are a troll and VE/HF/Risen/Grack are all outposting you. That puts you in the bottom 3 of useful people. Maybe scum is the not useful people? fix yourself. | ||
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