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On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.
WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie?
Artanis, HF, mebbe DP.
I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons.
You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.
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On February 04 2014 13:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh yeah, come to think of it, you never answered me. On February 04 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
do you find marv hard to read wave? Considering I 'caught' him very early in the game in Shadow (though I didn't believe myself at the time) I'd say probably not, though at that point I also had never played a game with scum-marv before and there was a lot of other shit going down in thread all game, and marv survived so obviously neither I nor anyone else can really take any credit at all. At the very least I'd feel more confident in my ability to catch him in future games (including this one). I'd probably find rayn my personal 'hardest to read' in this particular game. then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show. Iamp, you're talking a lot about shit you don't understand. Nobody paid much attention to marv at all in Shadow game including me and he got away all game not doing a hell of a lot. Had I or anyone else paid more attention to him (which was rather difficult given the other lynch candidates in thread and how marv played), he may very well have been caught and lynched. Is there a particular reason you're pushing this? because what you said makes no sense. You say im going to totes be watching you marv so closely but then admit he isn't hard to read. Those two statements cant go together. Which would therefore imply that you dont really intend to watch him closely and are just using that language for show. therefore you would be scum.
It makes perfect sense iamp.
I said I'm watching him closely because despite not being too hard to read, he still didn't get lynched last game because PEOPLE DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO HIM.
Hence, I am paying attention to him closely in this game.
Flerp herp derp.
Like...am I missing something that's hard to understand here that I've had to repeat myself?
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On February 04 2014 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:16 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh yeah, come to think of it, you never answered me. On February 04 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
do you find marv hard to read wave? Considering I 'caught' him very early in the game in Shadow (though I didn't believe myself at the time) I'd say probably not, though at that point I also had never played a game with scum-marv before and there was a lot of other shit going down in thread all game, and marv survived so obviously neither I nor anyone else can really take any credit at all. At the very least I'd feel more confident in my ability to catch him in future games (including this one). I'd probably find rayn my personal 'hardest to read' in this particular game. then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show. Iamp, you're talking a lot about shit you don't understand. Nobody paid much attention to marv at all in Shadow game including me and he got away all game not doing a hell of a lot. Had I or anyone else paid more attention to him (which was rather difficult given the other lynch candidates in thread and how marv played), he may very well have been caught and lynched. Is there a particular reason you're pushing this? because what you said makes no sense. You say im going to totes be watching you marv so closely but then admit he isn't hard to read. Those two statements cant go together. Which would therefore imply that you dont really intend to watch him closely and are just using that language for show. therefore you would be scum. It makes perfect sense iamp. I said I'm watching him closely because despite not being too hard to read, he still didn't get lynched last game because PEOPLE DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO HIM. Hence, I am paying attention to him closely in this game. Flerp herp derp. Like...am I missing something that's hard to understand here that I've had to repeat myself?
You didnt pay attention to him because he was playing circles around you guys and just wont admit it. This whole we all totally knew he was scum is bs.
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I've argued this 100 times so I'm not arguing it again beyond this post:
Watching the game from an outside perspective is not the same as being in it. I obviously didn't really catch him, otherwise he would have been lynched, which I explained earlier. I figured it out early on but didn't let myself believe it, so my bad.
Now, if he was playing circles around us, what do YOU think that should make marv for me?
Should I have answered that he IS hard to read?
I'm really failing to see what makes me scum here, and you're not exactly putting your money where your mouth is aside from snidely referring to me as scum in one post and saying that you've got 'inklings.'
Gonna follow up?
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no i said it isnt a strong read.
your right when you say its different when your from an outside but it seems like half the people in that game are going i totally knew it that marv was scum yet there wasn't even really a case brought against him the entire game implies you guys are delusional.
but we are getting off topic
This is my thought process spelled out slowly for you.
1. Wave says he will be watching marv closely
2. iamperfection wonders why and ask if he has trouble reading marv.
3. Wave says he dosnt think marv is hard to read.
4. This does not compute for iamperfection with the watching closely.
When people seem to have thought process that make no sense to me it makes me think they might be scum.
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On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.
WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie? Artanis, HF, mebbe DP. I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons. You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.
This honestly makes me sad. Im totes town.
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On February 04 2014 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
no i said it isnt a strong read.
your right when you say its different when your from an outside but it seems like half the people in that game are going i totally knew it that marv was scum yet there wasn't even really a case brought against him the entire game implies you guys are delusional.
but we are getting off topic
This is my thought process spelled out slowly for you.
1. Wave says he will be watching marv closely
2. iamperfection wonders why and ask if he has trouble reading marv.
3. Wave says he dosnt think marv is hard to read.
4. This does not compute for iamperfection with the watching closely.
When people seem to have thought process that make no sense to me it makes me think they might be scum.
I literally can't make it any clearer for you. Maybe something will click for you in your sleep.
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On February 04 2014 11:34 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:33 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
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one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.
Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you? Play nice. That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing. Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum maybe that is just me though. wat !?! you never mislynch people? I've never mislynched cephero
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On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.
answer my question dp its quite a simple one. Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum". Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game? Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.
Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?
Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.
Now onto Prome.
Half of Prome's filter is talking about tactics that scum can do and what would be best for the town to do. Now, at the start of the game it isn't so bad, however, when he talks about it more and more even though he has "thought about it a lot before the game" his ideas do not add up. In fact, there are many contradictions in his thought processes.
For instance, over time Prome discusses how it is more beneficial to kill a fringe looking townie/scum to then shoot who we think is actual scum so we can determine the alignment from the flip. On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you? Play nice. That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing. Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum maybe that is just me though.
However, he also states that he'd never mislynch Cephiro.
On February 04 2014 11:34 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:33 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
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one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.
Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you? Play nice. That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing. Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum maybe that is just me though. wat !?! you never mislynch people? I've never mislynched cephero This presumably implies that he can read Cephiro quite well, to the ability that he wouldn't mislynch him. Yet, his stance on Cephiro becomes increasingly more different than Artanis:
On February 04 2014 11:37 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I don't disagree. Your problem though is that scum will shoot said townies if/when we lynch them.
Right now I'd say marv/imp both looking townie to me.
Waiting to hear from Artanis as I don't have trouble reading him. Need some personal time with him to really 'get a feel' for things.
On February 04 2014 11:40 Promethelax wrote:
I find myself kinda into the idea of lynching Cephiro (I finally figured out how to spell it) basically only he and Rayn have not been here for the opening remarks and I've found the general pace and movement of this opening to be townie and interested. I'd be willing to lynch those who are not here. Ergo Cephiro/rayn.
He doesn't mislynch Cephiro, yet here we have him increasingly leaning more and more towards lynching him without even talking to him OR rayn. Like, I understand that the pace feels towny right now but why Cephiro over Rayn? Like there is a legitimate super focus on lynching Cephiro over Artanis who claimed mafia with no thread activity further or rayn who hasn't typed at all either. He "thinks" there is a mafia between rayn and cephiro based on the thread but if that's the case then he WOULDN'T want to lynch Cephiro based on what he's said before, he would want to vote a fringe towny (probably me based on his next post), yet this conclusion is seemingly absent:
On February 04 2014 11:50 Promethelax wrote:
While we sit around waiting for DP to sift through Art's filters shall we move this discussion away from Dp and towards HF? Yes, yes we shall.
Why did Holy just vanish, he was here excited to be playing but when things got hot he got out of the kitchen. He was here to claim a mindmeld and here to argue its validity but he hasn't provided anything new to the discussion. Is HF scum? Inside sources say yes.
His only reasoning? That I vanished. Lol.
On February 04 2014 12:31 Promethelax wrote:
Sorry, that wasn't productive, mad at people who are not you.
two reasons
1: gut says people present are town for various reasons. I would bet good money that at least one of ceph/rayn are scum
2. it was a change of topic from the DP thinks Art is scum for something prome thinks is not alignment indicative. Amd I was/am bored with that topic. This is also an incoherent thought. If the people present are town then why is he mad at those people and displaying it in the thread? If there is a good chance of scum in cephiro/rayn then surely he should be happy that he's narrowed down the pool of potential scum to two?
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Wave is another person who I am concerned about being scum.
On February 04 2014 08:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 08:26 iamperfection wrote:
Hrm wave are you being serious? Bout marv, no. Bout holy/artanis, yes. Gimme a while and ill find examples. It always seemed to me to be more likely to joke about being scum AS scum because it would be seen at endgame to be ballsy as hell even though nobody ever takes it to be alignment indicative.
Wave initially starts the game joking around, however, after I point out the point about scum claiming scum on Artanis he seems to begin to agree with me as evidenced above and below
On February 04 2014 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 08:18 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 08:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town? That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town. I'm Mafia. How about you? always lynch the people that claim mafia, you've played enough voice to know that's at least 80% correct!
##vote artanis But if your saying he knows this why would he do it?
because it's a scum default mindset! they think we know they always do it so they do it again to bluff but really, they're always scum! Artanis also claims jester exclusively as town. This sort of gives the same idea I'm trying to get across but not quite. Essentially it comes down to there being absolutely no reason to claim scum as town, even to joke---seems much more likely to me to come from a mafia standpoint to introduce WIFOM into the thread at best, shit things up a little at worst and somewhere in the middle they get to brag if they win. And before anyone asks again, yes I am completely serious. I'm gettin' them feels. This is super early and there hasn't been much in thread to give me other feels right now so it's what I'm going with atm. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis
So, now he is fully in agreement with what I have been saying as he is clearly quoting my reasoning as bolstering his "gut feels".
Yet, increasingly he discovers that his conclusion that scum does this all the time has 0 evidence in the entirety of TL that he remembers. You'd think this would totally remove his read on the player then?
On February 04 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok caught up.
I'm comfortable with my vote where it is despite the findings that Artanis specifically does this all the time as either alignment, on voice, at weddings and at barmitzvahs.
DP the salt overflowing from this thread has raised my blood pressure. I'd stick you with a solid townread but I worry simply because I figure you're smart enough to know that kind of reaction is what people expect from you. I also have a bunch of townreads already in this game and there's only room for so many (and I'm hesitant to dump scumreads simply on lurkers).
I want to talk to you but I think the current topics have been done to death a little.
What do you make of marv?
No. He doesn't care what alignment artanis actually his he's just sticking his vote on there. Now, in the shadow game part 1 wave was COMPLETELY different. Take this post for example that he outlines his thought processes (he was town in shadow): On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? I get a feel for reads through conversation.
My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time.
When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it.I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you.
He makes reads from conversation, from interaction, from things that are odd. Now that there is 0 information that Artanis claims scum as scum or town his read should be null. He hasn't interacted with Artanis and he hasn't discussed much else in the game despite a lot of stuff happening between me and DP.
There are a lot of posts in his filter that says all the actions DP has been doing point to town actions - but he could be smart enough to do them as scum. Wishy-washy, non alignment indicative trash. Just like his artanis read. Not only that but after agreeing with my points on Artanis (who his vote is on and is staying on) he puts ME in his top 3 scummy people in the game (based on people that have posted).
On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game from people that are talking. Marv, the person he made a giant wall of text on here
WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie? Artanis, HF, mebbe DP. I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons. You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.
This is weird as DP who has done "towny" like things (but maybe scummy???) ranks more scummy than marv who he just made a massive post about here in which he says that he doesn't like a lot of marv's posting (but marv's post can come from both scum marv and town marv so in actuality his post was something that came to the conclusion of null - but he doesn't like them)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441979¤tpage=17#329
This wave is not sitting right with me at all. His gameplay is completeellyyyyyy different to shadow mafia (here is his filter for shadow) and the majority of what he is posting ends up concluding that the players actions are null. His top 3 least towny looking people contain the person who he is voting based on no information, the person he said has been posting towny looking things (but could be scum because he's smart...?) and the person who he has been agreeing with (me) in regards to the person he is voting (artanis).
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On February 04 2014 15:14 Holyflare wrote:Wave is another person who I am concerned about being scum. Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 08:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 08:26 iamperfection wrote:
Hrm wave are you being serious? Bout marv, no. Bout holy/artanis, yes. Gimme a while and ill find examples. It always seemed to me to be more likely to joke about being scum AS scum because it would be seen at endgame to be ballsy as hell even though nobody ever takes it to be alignment indicative. Wave initially starts the game joking around, however, after I point out the point about scum claiming scum on Artanis he seems to begin to agree with me as evidenced above and below Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 08:18 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 08:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town? That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town. I'm Mafia. How about you? always lynch the people that claim mafia, you've played enough voice to know that's at least 80% correct!
##vote artanis But if your saying he knows this why would he do it?
because it's a scum default mindset! they think we know they always do it so they do it again to bluff but really, they're always scum! Artanis also claims jester exclusively as town. This sort of gives the same idea I'm trying to get across but not quite. Essentially it comes down to there being absolutely no reason to claim scum as town, even to joke---seems much more likely to me to come from a mafia standpoint to introduce WIFOM into the thread at best, shit things up a little at worst and somewhere in the middle they get to brag if they win. And before anyone asks again, yes I am completely serious. I'm gettin' them feels. This is super early and there hasn't been much in thread to give me other feels right now so it's what I'm going with atm. ##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis So, now he is fully in agreement with what I have been saying as he is clearly quoting my reasoning as bolstering his "gut feels". Yet, increasingly he discovers that his conclusion that scum does this all the time has 0 evidence in the entirety of TL that he remembers. You'd think this would totally remove his read on the player then? Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok caught up.
I'm comfortable with my vote where it is despite the findings that Artanis specifically does this all the time as either alignment, on voice, at weddings and at barmitzvahs.
DP the salt overflowing from this thread has raised my blood pressure. I'd stick you with a solid townread but I worry simply because I figure you're smart enough to know that kind of reaction is what people expect from you. I also have a bunch of townreads already in this game and there's only room for so many (and I'm hesitant to dump scumreads simply on lurkers).
I want to talk to you but I think the current topics have been done to death a little.
What do you make of marv? No. He doesn't care what alignment artanis actually his he's just sticking his vote on there. Now, in the shadow game part 1 wave was COMPLETELY different. Take this post for example that he outlines his thought processes (he was town in shadow): Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? I get a feel for reads through conversation.
My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time.
When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it.I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you. He makes reads from conversation, from interaction, from things that are odd. Now that there is 0 information that Artanis claims scum as scum or town his read should be null. He hasn't interacted with Artanis and he hasn't discussed much else in the game despite a lot of stuff happening between me and DP. There are a lot of posts in his filter that says all the actions DP has been doing point to town actions - but he could be smart enough to do them as scum. Wishy-washy, non alignment indicative trash. Just like his artanis read. Not only that but after agreeing with my points on Artanis (who his vote is on and is staying on) he puts ME in his top 3 scummy people in the game (based on people that have posted). Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game from people that are talking. Marv, the person he made a giant wall of text on here
WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie? Artanis, HF, mebbe DP. I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons. You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null. This is weird as DP who has done "towny" like things (but maybe scummy???) ranks more scummy than marv who he just made a massive post about here in which he says that he doesn't like a lot of marv's posting (but marv's post can come from both scum marv and town marv so in actuality his post was something that came to the conclusion of null - but he doesn't like them) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441979¤tpage=17#329
This wave is not sitting right with me at all. His gameplay is completeellyyyyyy different to shadow mafia ( here is his filter for shadow) and the majority of what he is posting ends up concluding that the players actions are null. His top 3 least towny looking people contain the person who he is voting based on no information, the person he said has been posting towny looking things (but could be scum because he's smart...?) and the person who he has been agreeing with (me) in regards to the person he is voting (artanis). ##Unvote
##Vote WaveOfShadow
Wishy-washy != scum. My rant from last game stands, so I don't even give a shit about that part.
I'm playing different from Shadow mafia this game, because it's a different game. I think if you REEAAALLLLYYY wanted to meta me you probably wouldn't find this game so different from some of my other towngames, but it's your call.
I'm certainly not getting lynched today, not by you nor anyone else.
Scumread on Artanis stands.
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Votecount
Artanis[Xp] (1) - Holyflare, WaveofShadow
Holyflare (1) - Artanis[Xp], DarthPunk
WaveOfShadow (1) - Holyflare
DarthPunk (0) - Holyflare, iamperfection, DarthPunk
marvellosity (0) - WaveofShadow
Promethelax (0) - DarthPunk
Not Voting - raynpelikoneet, iamperfection, Promethelax, Cephiro, marvellosity, DarthPunk
If any votes have been missed, please let us know!
With 9 players remaining, 5 votes are required to lynch.
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I did not like Holyflare at all in the beginning. It felt like he was doing the same thing to DarthPunk that Artanis did to me as scum in the NMM, which was to piss me off for no reason. Which brings me to this:
marv, you made this post:
On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.
Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.
Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that.
So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people.
In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off?
That being said i like his recent posting much more.
Prome most likely mafia. His top 2 contributions are:
1) "Those two guys who are asleep atm, at least one of them is scum because everyone else seems town"
2) "I'd like to talk more about Holyflare, but after i say this i never talk about Holyflare."
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Wave could you explain your stances on Artanis and DP? I am not following you here.
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##Vote: DarthPunk
Stopped reading at the point called me fucking useless, when I've been blatantly town up till now. Will read more when I get to work
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That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
What have you don marv? read your own filter.
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tbh marv you have been useless so far.
You have seriously commented on three things (Artanis' scumclaim, DP's rage and townread on iamp) which two of them are not even alignment indicative based on your posting..
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DarthPunk what do you think of my post about marv/prome?
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On February 04 2014 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:
That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
What have you don marv? read your own filter.
I'm just obviously town, and anyone who can't see that is bad or scum.
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