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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 15:38 GMT
#41
/in for large game :OOO
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 16:54 GMT
#46
my inbox feels abused
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 17:35 GMT
#59
On May 17 2014 02:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I would /in, but Koshi told me to and I'm a rebel at heart so I'm not going to.


by sticking to what your heart tells you, you are just another conformist!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 17:39 GMT
#64
On May 17 2014 02:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
i've already pledged myself to cell mini


vote me mayor and i'll make your cell first then you can play both
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 18:43 GMT
#76
[image loading]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 20:06 GMT
#91
Hellzzz yeh
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 21:21 GMT
#104
On May 17 2014 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw guys watch out for bkqyrld.


next level
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 23:44 GMT
#117
5 to go? lost track
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 17 2014 01:24 GMT
#123
4 to go afaik
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 18 2014 11:00 GMT
#149
/hype
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 18 2014 14:13 GMT
#154
On May 18 2014 22:34 Hapahauli wrote:
/in

Been a while, and I've been meaning to try a larger game again. I can't promise my customary of activity (I'll be periodically travelling for the next few weeks), but it should be enough to read/play the game.

The pre-scum roll excuses have begun!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 18 2014 16:40 GMT
#159
Happy korean bday :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 19 2014 01:35 GMT
#183
Join this game bitches
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 19 2014 09:59 GMT
#190
2 more come on! Want some mafiaz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 19 2014 20:43 GMT
#199
gogogogogogo start
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 16:12 GMT
#234
[image loading]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:02 GMT
#391
On May 21 2014 06:26 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know.
In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring.
Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh

K so first order of business:
##vote: holyflare

Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today?


wos wants to policy me
geript always says he wants to policy me
geript claims vig and makes threats to wos instead of agreeing on me
geript knows im town so wont agree
geript is mafia

##vote geript
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:02 GMT
#392
#logic
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:05 GMT
#401
On May 21 2014 07:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
#logic

So sexy

Now do you have any other ideas other than that?


bunnies talked about mafia definitely being present in game so also mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:07 GMT
#402
On May 21 2014 07:04 Steveling wrote:
Person who comes in 2 hours after start of the game with a "logical reason" is scummy in my book.
HF are you scum again?


nah bro ez town ez life, i see you said you are gonna play like last game but you've already started giving reasons for a read that's like 180 on your last game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:09 GMT
#411
bunnies is bunnies not boone
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:11 GMT
#419
On May 21 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
#logic

So sexy

Now do you have any other ideas other than that?


bunnies talked about mafia definitely being present in game so also mafia


So me pointing out that there are probably a few mafia that are present, makes me mafia?

Cause I would so point out something that indicates myself as mafia.


only your subconscious knows to write mafia things in posts
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:18 GMT
#434
why you hate things mz? things are good
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:19 GMT
#437
nobody cares steve ~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:20 GMT
#439
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:22 GMT
#444
well i know it's bs now and you don't have a read on me so while last game it may have been correct i can tell this game it's just going to get annoying and useless and you don't actually have that read on me so i'd rather get rid of you if you're just going to do this again
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:23 GMT
#447
yeh well i dislike people that don't actually you know.. play mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:25 GMT
#450
On May 21 2014 07:24 Steveling wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
yeh well i dislike that don't actually you know.. play mafia


I don't like that personal attack.
Keep your thoughts about what's mafia play and what not to yourself.


no because i'm actually town this game so you're being awful
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:32 GMT
#465
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:43 GMT
#491
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

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On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:47 GMT
#498
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:50 GMT
#508
On May 21 2014 07:49 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


And yeah I was about to post that, this is retarded by HF.


wtf is your problem??

bh wants to rng which is usually a 25% chance to mafia
normal lynching by poe has a 40%+ chance to hit mafia

i'm the retard right
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:53 GMT
#512
ok right w/e please just policy this guy so i can get on with my life
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:56 GMT
#522
uhh... is steveling actually being serious...? i can't actually tell anymore :o
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 22:57 GMT
#529
On May 21 2014 07:56 Steveling wrote:
And btw, I didn't call you a retard HF and I have nothing against you.
I call your scum pleasing method retarded and you are the one who calls other people names.


how is playing the game by normal lynching people "scum serving" if it's a higher % chance to lynch scum than rng...? i can't comprehend your line of thought
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 23:00 GMT
#534
ok i'm actually just going to fully ignore you for the rest of the game ~_~
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 23:10 GMT
#552
On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy?
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
...
@ Everyone

Let's kill Valenius:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.

I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.


It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.

On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2


On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?

On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote:
Why this change of heart?


[image loading]

Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.

All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.


LOL

##unvoted koshi btw
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.

##Vote: Valenius


i think he's town for this post:

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 20 2014 23:15 GMT
#565
On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy?
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
...
@ Everyone

Let's kill Valenius:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.

I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.


It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.

On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2


On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?

On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote:
Why this change of heart?


[image loading]

Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.

All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.


LOL

##unvoted koshi btw
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.

##Vote: Valenius


i think he's town for this post:

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?



Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town.

Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread?


because you aren't reading what i've stated twice and no it's absolutely not trolling, who is more likely to pull someone from the op indicating that some factions might not be scum aligned? mafia, town or a maybe town aligned 3p factioner? to me it looks more like that latter regardless of his lackluster contributions
Holyflare
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#566
something*
Holyflare
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#583
On May 21 2014 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:
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On May 21 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy?
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:
...
@ Everyone

Let's kill Valenius:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.

Sheep me sheeping marv.
ezgame ezlife.


i thought you were hosting. wtf.

##vote: Koshi

Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.

I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.


It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.

On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?

Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.


I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.

RNG V2


On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?

On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:
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On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia.


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On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment.


Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.


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On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times.


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On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote:
Why this change of heart?


[image loading]

Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.

All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.


LOL

##unvoted koshi btw
On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:
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On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice

On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do

##unvote
##vote steveling


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care


despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.


^^^ case in point


anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng


If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz


6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.

##Vote: Valenius


i think he's town for this post:

On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.

Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.


The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right?

Also nice goalpost moving.

1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions.

2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1.

So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch???


From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!"

Not necessarily all scum aligned?



Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town.

Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread?


because you aren't reading what i've stated twice and no it's absolutely not trolling, who is more likely to pull someone from the op indicating that some factions might not be scum aligned? mafia, town or a maybe town aligned 3p factioner? to me it looks more like that latter regardless of his lackluster contributions


I don't think so at all. For example, it would make perfect sense in this game for a scum-aligned faction member to know that information in the OP, since they too are aware of the other factions in this game.

In general, I don't think speculating on what factions know what sort of information is wise in a closed-themed setup.


it's not to do with checking op it's to do with specifically being in the frame of mind to think about pointing out that there might be a town aligned faction or w/e while bh is talking about rnging it just doesn't strike me as scummy, the rest of his posts are shitty yeh but checking up in db he's only played newbies and been town so taking them with a mega grain of salt

long time left to draw conclusions
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#590
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while
Holyflare
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#591
wait till he claims a role that's already flipped and then kill him
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#603
On May 21 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while


HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.

So who should we move onto HF?

I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:
Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions.
Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now.
The other person is meapak_ziph.
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On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?

Guess I might as well read the op then.

Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...


He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.

What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
Marv responded actually pretty quickly: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
but he never addressed him or anyone else again. Like to me seems like "going to run in throw in some scum reads ask a question appear to be analyzing the thread then peace out" Have you played with him before? (this is to everyone) What is he like?


pretty sure he's a smurf and spelt marv's name wrong so unforgiveable

he's got one post so honestly no idea?
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#606
On May 21 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while


HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.

So who should we move onto HF?

I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:
Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions.
Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now.
The other person is meapak_ziph.
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On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?

Guess I might as well read the op then.

Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...


He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.

What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
Marv responded actually pretty quickly: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
but he never addressed him or anyone else again. Like to me seems like "going to run in throw in some scum reads ask a question appear to be analyzing the thread then peace out" Have you played with him before? (this is to everyone) What is he like?


pretty sure he's a smurf and spelt marv's name wrong so unforgiveable

he's got one post so honestly no idea?


Fair enough it is just one post but I felt that if he really cared about his answers he would have stuck around at least 2-3 minutes.

Who do you think is scummy since BH gets the crazy person yelling pass from you.


yellow, he spends like 5 posts trying to say that his rng method is better and then drops it for bh's rng even though he made this post stating the reason he didn't like it:


So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 00:10 GMT
#615
On May 21 2014 09:09 Yell0w wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while


HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.

So who should we move onto HF?

I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:
Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions.
Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now.
The other person is meapak_ziph.
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?

Guess I might as well read the op then.

Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...


He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.

What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
Marv responded actually pretty quickly: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
but he never addressed him or anyone else again. Like to me seems like "going to run in throw in some scum reads ask a question appear to be analyzing the thread then peace out" Have you played with him before? (this is to everyone) What is he like?


pretty sure he's a smurf and spelt marv's name wrong so unforgiveable

he's got one post so honestly no idea?


Fair enough it is just one post but I felt that if he really cared about his answers he would have stuck around at least 2-3 minutes.

Who do you think is scummy since BH gets the crazy person yelling pass from you.


yellow, he spends like 5 posts trying to say that his rng method is better and then drops it for bh's rng even though he made this post stating the reason he didn't like it:


So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?



Well I do think my method is better, I'm new to this though and didn't realize at the time that people would be so against a RNG lynch, because obviously my method doesn't work if everyone doesn't do it.


yes but talking about methods and ways to vote off someone in a random fashion isn't good so just drop that and talk about the game so far
Holyflare
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#618
On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:

Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.


I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up.



yellow and jampi plz
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 00:11 GMT
#621
On May 21 2014 09:09 geript wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Bkq.... Is probably like Vivax. I can't quit place the "confusion comment" line but like 100% that guy's a smurf.


i was thinking vivax too
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 00:21 GMT
#636
sqrt have you seen yellow play scum? also, your first post quoted and last post, are they not contradictions?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 00:23 GMT
#643
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?


^ against the idea of rng

Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.

##Vote: OdinofPergo


no posts since first post that indicate that his opinion has changed other than his idea not working

contradiction?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 00:46 GMT
#657
uhhhh so your only read is steveling now tambo?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 00:48 GMT
#659
actually think geript might be onto something with slam atm
Holyflare
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#661
yellow
Holyflare
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#676
hahahahahaha yeh
Holyflare
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#680
where the hell did hapa go
Holyflare
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#685
i'm still thinking it's vivax it looks pretty similarly worded to what he would say
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:19 GMT
#690
are you not gonna respond to what marv said lol? the fact you flipped your read in a game where you were sure proves that your read isn't that good
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:20 GMT
#691
but i do agree to an extent that slams opening was rather weird, regardless of what his meta is
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:23 GMT
#697
what's with everyone dropping the major heart references?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:24 GMT
#698
This is only true to an extent, scum still act differently due to the asymmetrical nature of information in the game and as is especially pertinent in the case of sk;s and other 1 player factions having differing win-cons.


1 player factions....?
Holyflare
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#709
[image loading]
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:57 GMT
#726
thinking about lynching slam, asked me who posted what i quoted and did nothing about it which was oddly serious after i said i was starting to agree with geript and then just fucked off again after linking smash bros pics and poo pooing geripts thing

not enough troll spam
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:57 GMT
#728
Last I recall, saving you've gone through conversion therapy recently, you happen to like pricks.



hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 01:58 GMT
#729
the peach thing is because he plays peach in ssb btw
Holyflare
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#730
*tumbleweed*
Holyflare
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#752
On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?


I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.

Show nested quote +
Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.


What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.


well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy.
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#759
On May 21 2014 11:31 Hapahauli wrote:
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On May 21 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?


I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.

Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.


What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.


well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy.


It's also batshit retarded.

Who do you actually think is mafia?


yellow for his contradiction and only talking about rng, regardless of what people said about him in previous games, that contradiction is just too wild and looks like fitting into the flow of the game at the time

slam for his too serious to be town attitude, asking me about yellow and saying nothing about it and then going into defensive mode and agreeing with geripts meta

probably bkraltlyyl if it's vivax which i'm leaning heavily towards
Holyflare
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#767
On May 21 2014 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:
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On May 21 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:31 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?


I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.

Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.


What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.


well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy.


It's also batshit retarded.

Who do you actually think is mafia?


yellow for his contradiction and only talking about rng, regardless of what people said about him in previous games, that contradiction is just too wild and looks like fitting into the flow of the game at the time

slam for his too serious to be town attitude, asking me about yellow and saying nothing about it and then going into defensive mode and agreeing with geripts meta

probably bkraltlyyl if it's vivax which i'm leaning heavily towards


Ok that's better.

So why aren't you voting // writing cases on them?


i have................................
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#768
but that's the point about a policy it's a policy > everything else
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#775
On May 21 2014 11:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote:
but that's the point about a policy it's a policy > everything else


Yeah, but like... why...

I'd love to think you're town, but holy shit you're a better player than trying to lynch/flame-bait a player that you should know is town.


honestly i don't care, he absolutely ruined the last game for people because he was doing the same thing as this game and thought it was good despite him being the giant ? in that game because he just didn't play and subsequently got mislynched, if he's going to completely do the same thing in this game i just want him to die because he should not be playing
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May 21 2014 02:45 GMT
#781
it's not trash talk i'm updating hapa on why i'm voting you because you're doing the exact same things and this game i'm town so really you are playing completely anti win-con this game (which is what you were doing last game too) and until you learn to respect that and actually play mafia then i'll say what i feel like
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May 21 2014 02:50 GMT
#785
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this
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#786
On May 21 2014 11:48 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote:
it's not trash talk i'm updating hapa on why i'm voting you because you're doing the exact same things and this game i'm town so really you are playing completely anti win-con this game (which is what you were doing last game too) and until you learn to respect that and actually play mafia then i'll say what i feel like


What should I do then?
How to be good towny?


point out things that don't make sense, show it to others, get mafia lynched
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May 21 2014 02:58 GMT
#798
On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this


How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?


you came to the thread completely out of the blue and voted her, showed no intention of voting her and asked her dubious questions that revealed nothing of where they were going

the only real assumption that one would make in that scenario is that you were trying to get information out of her by doing that, why would anyone assume what you were doing was a mafia pushing a mislynch or a mafia doing anything? that's so out of the blue

If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
this implies that you wanted her to answer in a way that explained your actions of questioning, not the agenda behind the overall play
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#801
*showed no intention of pushing her
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#804
i'm all ready for a yellow train though
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#822
#datslip2014
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#825
On May 21 2014 12:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare I need you to clear something up for me

sup
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#831
On May 21 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare I need you to clear something up for me

sup


are you town?


ya
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#832
should be obvious/will be obvious
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#840
fuck fuck sqrt got me i have a good reason though you see, i was thinking like "fuck, i'm quite hungry but it's like 4am what do i doooo" so then i saw there were some left over hula hoops and i was like "oh sweet pretty unhealthy but i'll take what i can get" and then i was like "shit brainwave" so i got out some crunchy peanut butter and i've been dipping hula hoops in it and MY GOD IT'S THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD
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#842
On May 21 2014 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
Why do you think it's obvious that you're town?


just more talky/not give a shitty as town i guess?
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#849
The question you quote is intended to make her think about different possibilities. It's not me wanting her to answer in a certain why. It's clearly a question meant to make her think out of the box. Why would I vote on someone I think is town? Do you really just say "for information", and that's all? Like really.


the only reason i think it's wrong is because i would have replied in the exact same way to your posts and i'm town
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#850
On May 21 2014 12:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 12:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
Why do you think it's obvious that you're town?


just more talky/not give a shitty as town i guess?


You scum read Cav for accurately meta reading you last game, but you expect people to be correctly meta reading you right now?


cav hasn't played enough games with me and just got off of a game where i was scum and he went crazy town read on me which was totally suspicious
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#854
well the regulars
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#863
hahahahaha wave the fear lynch is reaaaaal
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#867
austin had it, they're just salty ring shaped crisps(chips fu amerifags)

[image loading]
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#869
On May 21 2014 12:26 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 11:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:31 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?


I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.

Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.


What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.


well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy.


It's also batshit retarded.

Who do you actually think is mafia?


yellow for his contradiction and only talking about rng, regardless of what people said about him in previous games, that contradiction is just too wild and looks like fitting into the flow of the game at the time

slam for his too serious to be town attitude, asking me about yellow and saying nothing about it and then going into defensive mode and agreeing with geripts meta

probably bkraltlyyl if it's vivax which i'm leaning heavily towards


He does deserve much more pressure youll get a better read of him, but he did do this shit last game and I tunneled on him hard to find him towny in 2 days


well that's why we start lynching him until he talks reads and shizzle
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#872
On May 21 2014 12:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:23 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
Why do you think it's obvious that you're town?


just more talky/not give a shitty as town i guess?


You scum read Cav for accurately meta reading you last game, but you expect people to be correctly meta reading you right now?


cav hasn't played enough games with me and just got off of a game where i was scum and he went crazy town read on me which was totally suspicious


You think I haven't, but I have. You're the one player on the site I'm incredibly familiar with and I'm 100% confident I could read you as either alignment.

Cav.
Cav.
Cav pls.

Enlighten me.
What are the secrets to reading Holyflare?


I'll tell you on one condition:

You tell me how to link posts. Deal?


go to filter and the post you want click the # in top right of post and then just copy the url
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#875
wave is paranoia man, that's his thing
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#878
hapa can you elaborate on your cephiro thing now?
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#885
##Foolishness Read: Yell0w
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#894
austin dafuk man

I kinda of liked the initial response to BH. Wasn't "RNG dum", but was like..."okay, so you have this idea, but why not do another thing instead?" It's not the laziest response, it's not calling him scum, it's not really doing anything other than what seems like trying to figure something out. Bueno.


are you ignoring the fact that he 180's later and joins BH's rng wagon?
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#902
On May 21 2014 12:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@TehPoofter: So I've read through yell0w's filter, and as I stated before, I like yellow's post here. I feel as if he was mafia, he wouldn't even bring this up, as he could follow exactly what he had spelled out.

[red]In our previous game, yell0w contradicted himself, much like he did this game, and I called him out for it. I pushed on him, which is how I got my read on him.[red] Yell0w seems to be joking a bit towards the beginning, such as his preferring a "alive cat to a dead cat" and pretty relaxed. I haven't played a game with him as mafia, but it seems like a town play to me.

I do agree that his switching to go with BH on the odin lynch is a bit weird, especially since he disagreed with it earlier, but it may just be him reassessing the game there.

He also hasn't posted much for me to get more of a read, but I'm leaning more town here.


so if you only got your read on him last game for pushing him on his contradiction why this game did you decide to call him towny for it instead of pushing him to get the previous read?
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#903
god damn it cephiro walls of text
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#907
On May 21 2014 12:45 austinmcc wrote:
Hf, do YOU think the 180 actually matters? And is there any pro-scum reason?


in the context of the thread it's following the flow of the game and merging with what people are talking about so yes, it's entirely plausible that someone new would do that
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#910
^ much hate
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#925
On May 21 2014 12:58 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 12:13 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 12:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
holyflare I need you to clear something up for me

sup


are you town?


ya

3 minutes to say 'ya'.
I don't like it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare


From the way many people have told me to read HF, hes prob town he seems disappointed and not having fun. I hear he enjoys being mafia 100x more than he is town.



have much more fun as town
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#929
this foolishness thing is such an easy cop out
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#930
but i like the cut of his jib
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#938
On May 21 2014 13:05 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I disagree that just because she reads you as town she is scum.


I definitely agree that she is not scum for that reason alone. It's because of this combined with many other factors I pointed out. Like, what do you think of her claim of providing reasoning for her reads when she really hadn't?


On May 21 2014 07:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So here's where I am at.

I don't necessarily like thrawn. Not talking isn't productive for town. Whether he's stubborn town or straight up mafia, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat.

I also want to hear more from Jamp. He seems to be focussing on the 'reads' that I said I had within the first couple of pages, and then questions someone else on what they think about my reads, yet he hasn't really said anything about what he thinks. Also, why is he focussing on my reads? Not saying mine are bad, but im a new player, one he hasn't played with. So why does it matter necessarily what I think?


Tehpoofter, steve, and WOS were the ones that I were considering first out of the ones that have talked the first couple of pages, but my reads, as I'm sure you have seen since I talked about you and thrawn, have changed since then.


she kind of did bro
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#940
On May 21 2014 13:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote:
but i like the cut of his jib

Why do you think me/you/marv are the forbidden ones?


meta reads? fuck knows, interested why you're on there over hapa tbh
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#946
On May 21 2014 13:13 Cephiro wrote:
I'm not even mad, I'm just amazed at how you think that is "reasoning for a read".

Not providing reason for her reads because they have changed = Providing reads and reasons for them.

.... Can someone teach the me the maths necessary to make the above statement true?

Like seriously Holy, are you joking?


because she's played 1 forum game and also comes from video mafia? like, she gave reasoning on why she didn't like 2 players and that's an explanation, what more do you want?

seriously this "pressure" isn't going anywhere and as long as bunnies is just responding to you i'm not going to get a proper read on her either so i suggest dropping it and revisiting it later if something untoward happens
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#949
On May 21 2014 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote:
but i like the cut of his jib

Why do you think me/you/marv are the forbidden ones?


meta reads? fuck knows, interested why you're on there over hapa tbh

But see obviously you have some idea because you wouldn't have had a reason for hapa to be on there over me, right?

Also, what geript?


well i'm assuming they are a list of people he thinks are town or at least not worth reading till later so it's weird hapa isn't there
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#950
but w/e i'll just let him get on with his thing tbh
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#951
wave why did you "possibly" town read marv early but after shadow said you wouldn't trust him as far as i remember?
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May 21 2014 04:32 GMT
#953
can someone tell me if serious content posting slam is mafia slam? it used to be back in bewbies days
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#958
On May 21 2014 13:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:23 Holyflare wrote:
but w/e i'll just let him get on with his thing tbh

I'm kind of interested as to how he plans to get on with this 'thing' anyway. I'm holding just short of calling it a cop-out especially since surely he know he'd be pinged by about 2000 requests, most of which he will not be able to address. I'm just a little surprised at this approach to the game because Foolishness isn't usually the kind of person who needs direction, he finds his own and rolls with it, every time.

In the end, yeah, let him get on with it etc.

HF is my vote on you for srs?



[image loading]
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#960
On May 21 2014 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 13:29 Holyflare wrote:
wave why did you "possibly" town read marv early but after shadow said you wouldn't trust him as far as i remember?

I never fully trust marv.
Ask him. I've played games with him since.

Paranoia is my 'thing,' rite?


yes i know but paranoia is like what you are doing with me where you just flat out won't trust me but i would have expected it to be similar to your response to marv but here you possibly town read him and i wanted you to explain why
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#961
On May 21 2014 13:34 Cephiro wrote:
General question to the players in the game:

1) Is my play more likely to come from town or scum?
2) Reasoning for the above.

Answer these if you'd like to help me get a read on you.


town, because it's so contrived and ott just to find one person as scum for (what i think) are crazy reasons and a lot less generalised than your scum game in cell was
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May 21 2014 04:42 GMT
#964
Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow


ouch wave how does it feel?
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#971
probably but yeh... that ritoky post is weiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrdddddddddddd
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#974
why mz and why wave x_x? pretty sure there were more people against rng than just wave, in fact wave wasn't even that against it iirc you applauded bh for trying it?
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#982
On May 21 2014 12:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
cav we're lynching you d1, fucking serious


why you not pushing this anymore?
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#990
i feel out of the loop wow
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#997
On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
What are people's thoughts on this bunnies character?
I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR?


cephiros tl:dr

bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town



no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing
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#1000
On May 21 2014 14:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
What are people's thoughts on this bunnies character?
I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR?


cephiros tl:dr

bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town



no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing


Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile.


well my policy > my own wagon on yellow PP

still want steve to start contributing because he isn't atm
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#1003
go ahead
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#1005
but if you policy lynch a policy lyncher then we must policy lynch you for policy lynching
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#1006
On May 21 2014 14:07 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 14:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
What are 's thoughts on this bunnies character?
I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR?


cephiros tl:dr

bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town



no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing


Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile.


well my policy > my own wagon on yellow PP

still want steve to start contributing because he isn't atm


Ask me anything.


that's what you should be doing to people :D
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#1018
going to bed if any of these non-modkill lurkers/questionable people return pressure them like mad:

2. Yell0w <--- make him explain flip on rng, make him explain mafia faction thing more. make him give reads, check last newbie game for meta comparison

3. Koshi <----- make him post to find alignment when he wakes up
11. Alakaslam <--- serious slam, scum slam?
13. Valenius <---- get reads to confirm mine/hapa's theories
24. ritoky <---- make him explain crazy reads
25. austinmcc - don't like his responses, missed out stuff on yellow, questions with responses and no follow ups etc pressuree
29. bkqyrldp <--- vivax? (probs lynch if so)
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#1023
On May 21 2014 14:19 Steveling wrote:
I don't like he bkqyads - vivax association.
What you are doing is scummy.


explain why it's scummy please
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#1028
On May 21 2014 14:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
whatever i'm just going to afk until there's something worth talking about


why not just... make something to talk about?
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#1029
On May 21 2014 14:21 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 14:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:19 Steveling wrote:
I don't like he bkqyads - vivax association.
What you are doing is scummy.


explain why it's scummy please


Because you have no way to know?


so why is that scummy? either it's vivax or it's not and if it is vivax then it's more scummy because it was an awful entry post that i don't think vivax would make as town
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#1033
On May 21 2014 14:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 14:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
whatever i'm just going to afk until there's something worth talking about


why not just... make something to talk about?


it's not how I like to play D1. u can call me scum or complaign about it but this is just how it's going to be. like blue said, if I don't step up during the last half of D1 then yeah I deserve whatever I get. but that's not gonna happen so there won't be any problem.


never said it was scummy just that last game you were pretty interactive
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#1036
On May 21 2014 14:27 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 14:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:21 Steveling wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 21 2014 14:19 Steveling wrote:
I don't like he bkqyads - vivax association.
What you are doing is scummy.


explain why it's scummy please


Because you have no way to know?


so why is that scummy? either it's vivax or it's not and if it is vivax then it's more scummy because it was an awful entry post that i don't think vivax would make as town


Oh so IF it's vivax it's scummy, I see.
And how will you know if it's him?


by pressuring him to talk more and reading his posting style and activity times x_x hence why it's a pressure these people list
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#1228
hi
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 15:37 GMT
#1229
probably wouldn't lynch yellow today anymore, probably not ritoky either
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May 21 2014 15:39 GMT
#1231
eww what a hydra that really weirdly words his other heads reads
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May 21 2014 15:41 GMT
#1232
On May 22 2014 00:37 kushm4sta wrote:
can someone write a summary or link to one?


on who/what? everything??
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May 21 2014 15:49 GMT
#1240
On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:

I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.

As always, ask me to explain if needed.



explain to me how you've arrived at ^^^^^^^ after stating this:

On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:

Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.


I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up.


like all your reads have changed with not much talking about that in between
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May 21 2014 15:54 GMT
#1249
i think bkwrawrwoar is toad btw
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May 21 2014 15:55 GMT
#1250
On May 22 2014 00:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 00:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads:

I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now.
BKQ I don't like.
Marv I like.
Xat is my top town atm.
Steve I like.
Cav I don't like.

As always, ask me to explain if needed.



explain to me how you've arrived at ^^^^^^^ after stating this:

On May 21 2014 09:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My reads so far:

Jampidampi - Mafia.
Bunnies - Town.
Yellow - Town.
Koshi - Town.
BH - Town, but I don't like his RNG thingy.
Holyflare - Mafia.


I will explain if asked to explain, there's so many people, I'm too lazy to write everything up.


like all your reads have changed with not much talking about that in between

???
I don't get it?


the only people you've talked about are one liners etc saying "bunnies town" "yellow town" but then they've all disappeared from your list of towny people and you have a new list of completely different people that you haven't mentioned in your filter really at all
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May 21 2014 15:57 GMT
#1253
so i'm still mafia?
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May 21 2014 16:01 GMT
#1255
btw i think wave and austin are the people i feel most "off" about, moreso wave than austin though, wave hadn't really done anything but was around the entire time and only after talking about nonsense did he ask questions that I/the thread had already answered
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May 21 2014 16:05 GMT
#1261
On May 22 2014 01:03 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 01:01 Holyflare wrote:
btw i think wave and austin are the people i feel most "off" about, moreso wave than austin though, wave hadn't really done anything but was around the entire time and only after talking about nonsense did he ask questions that I/the thread had already answered

Should be the other way round imo, all you're describing with Wave is bad or lazy play, which a Wavemafia would probably try harder to avoid.


forget he never rolls scum
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May 21 2014 16:06 GMT
#1263
but anyway austin is like only responding to questions about giving a read and then giving it but it just seems superficial more than anything + wanting bh to explain rng dafuk? +questions with no follow up
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:12 GMT
#1266
serious slam is so fucking weird
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:24 GMT
#1275
cav soooo angry this game
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:37 GMT
#1284
would lynch/need to pressure more list, some people might be added pending later activity there are a few i'm leaning on adding based on next post they make and yes 2 of them are like modkill pplz

10. MysterMeat1 - modkillable
11. Alakaslam - too serious, defensive, and not trolly enough
19. Steveling - literally doing 0 things, honestly don't care how many pages of 0 things he has because it's still 0
25. austinmcc - "off", asking bh questions of rng, superficially reading people when asked and that's about it
26. Onegu - modkillable
29. bkqyrldp - hydra, one head trying to account for reads of other head, attacking weird people (think it's toad+someone)
31. layabout - not much said, defends and thinks bunnies is suspicious in same post, weird faction talk -scum points for UK


people contemplating adding:

4. kushm4sta - nothing really said...... lazy kush or scum kush?
5. Blazinghand - rng........ feel like voting for inevitable role claim
13. Valenius - awaiting non-literal shit posting
14. thrawn2112 - activity indicator in later posts
18. kitaman27 - done nothing really
23. mtamburini - only one post of substance that ended in no substance, kind of agree with foolishness post but want to know more before adding
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:41 GMT
#1285
removed wave cz marv reminded me of survivor where he was super happy to play scum and try and look towny
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:43 GMT
#1286
dunno if i missed anyone, not sure I have but feel free to discuss people that should be added/you disagree with :o
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:48 GMT
#1287
or not ?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:54 GMT
#1291
well i don't think steve is mafiaish, more likely town if anything, but he's a liability if he thought what he did last game was "good" it's really really easy for him to try and recreate as mafia and i'm not having someone play like that period even if he is towny
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:55 GMT
#1292
On May 22 2014 01:53 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 01:37 marvellosity wrote:
geript, I just don't care what you think or do. So I don't know why you keep pseudo-threatening me, it's frightfully dull.

Because I want you to make my peepee hard. Like you haven't made me want to sheep you on any of your reads. It feels like you're half assing it at best. Like I'm only half tempted to shoot you for realz; the rest of the time I just want you to be super town you so I can get a good shot. I get that you think I'm being droll, but the sound of my sonorous voice should make you interested enough.


why do you jump to the conclusion that lazy entrance = marv scum entrance instead of, you know, lazy
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 16:56 GMT
#1293
because everything you've said about marv has stemmed from lazyness at start and not being dickish/funny enough
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 17:06 GMT
#1295
well he's on the would lynch list so it doesn't matter either way
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 17:16 GMT
#1298
On May 22 2014 02:13 Onegu wrote:
Ive requested to be replaced out, first game off the banlist not a good start. But with the miltary haveing declared martial law and now protesters gathering close to my home and I am afraid fighting will start my anxiety is through the roof and Im unable to concentrate.


Anyway sorry.


ah man that really sucks, I hope everything turns out ok, be safe!
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May 21 2014 17:51 GMT
#1337
On May 22 2014 02:27 Steveling wrote:
HF can you provide reads pls.
I'm interested on BH and burini.


is this some kind of joke?
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May 21 2014 19:01 GMT
#1419
le sigh
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 19:02 GMT
#1420
we don't lynch bh and we don't lynch geript
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#1427
On May 22 2014 04:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 04:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:01 kushm4sta wrote:
no but you said townreads like that always coem from town in your experience.

then you agree with getript about them usually being town.

Geript said that people like me who give those kinds of townreads are usually mafia.
That's what I contradicted.


What Kush is saying:

First you said: Everyone who said this is town
Geript replies: No, usually they are scum
Then you reply: Yes, usually but not this time.

Which is a contradiction.

no?

sqrt says what hapa was doing (telling people off) usually always comes from town so he's town reading hapa
geript says giving town reads on people for what hapa is doing usually comes from scum
sqrt says usually but not this time implying that geript was wrong and he's town

no contradiction
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May 21 2014 19:12 GMT
#1432
why is that? for having basic reading comprehension? :o
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 19:15 GMT
#1436
On May 22 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
why is that? for having basic reading comprehension? :o

ah you probably meant the second hapa to be a sqrt


no i don't
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May 21 2014 19:20 GMT
#1440
On May 22 2014 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
would lynch/need to pressure more list, some people might be added pending later activity there are a few i'm leaning on adding based on next post they make and yes 2 of them are like modkill pplz

10. MysterMeat1 - modkillable
11. Alakaslam - too serious, defensive, and not trolly enough
19. Steveling - literally doing 0 things, honestly don't care how many pages of 0 things he has because it's still 0 (probs town but /care)
25. austinmcc - "off", asking bh questions of rng, superficially reading people when asked and that's about it
26. Onegu - modkillable - wait and see from replacement
29. bkqyrldp - hydra, one head trying to account for reads of other head, attacking weird people (think it's toad+someone)
31. layabout - not much said, defends and thinks bunnies is suspicious in same post, weird faction talk -scum points for UK


people contemplating adding:

4. kushm4sta - nothing really said...... lazy kush or scum kush?
5. Blazinghand - rng........ feel like voting for inevitable role claim standard bh -.- claimed blue can't lynch/won't lynch
13. Valenius - awaiting non-literal shit posting his big post just now shows that he's actually participating and looking at scummy people
14. thrawn2112 - activity indicator in later posts
18. kitaman27 - done nothing really, still done nothing
23. mtamburini - only one post of substance that ended in no substance, kind of agree with foolishness post but want to know more before adding


follow dat list yo
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 19:23 GMT
#1443
oh geript was talking about hapa? w/eeee
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 19:25 GMT
#1445
so did i don't worry

Holyflare - Mafia. I've reconsidered a bit, he's on the line for me.

explain it sqrt because i've never seen you explain it in the entire game and the only reason it seems like you're voting me is because i took 3 minutes to say "ya"?
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May 21 2014 19:35 GMT
#1449
On May 22 2014 04:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
so did i don't worry

Holyflare - Mafia. I've reconsidered a bit, he's on the line for me.

explain it sqrt because i've never seen you explain it in the entire game and the only reason it seems like you're voting me is because i took 3 minutes to say "ya"?

A bit of a meta read. I hosted Yuma, and the tone of your posts are different. Here, it's a bit more.... carefree... or something. I sensed that something was a bit off. Gut read, I guess.
Plus taking 3 minutes to say ya was interesting too.


instead of the meta, which is completely wrong (why would i be carefree as mafia?) is there anything that i've said that you've disagreed with? don't like? doesn't make sense?
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May 21 2014 19:39 GMT
#1454
On May 22 2014 04:38 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
so did i don't worry

Holyflare - Mafia. I've reconsidered a bit, he's on the line for me.

explain it sqrt because i've never seen you explain it in the entire game and the only reason it seems like you're voting me is because i took 3 minutes to say "ya"?

A bit of a meta read. I hosted Yuma, and the tone of your posts are different. Here, it's a bit more.... carefree... or something. I sensed that something was a bit off. Gut read, I guess.
Plus taking 3 minutes to say ya was interesting too.


instead of the meta, which is completely wrong (why would i be carefree as mafia?) is there anything that i've said that you've disagreed with? don't like? doesn't make sense?

I disagreed with your read on steveling.
Plus this:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
should be obvious/will be obvious

You haven't really proven yourself town when you said that.


so you don't think steveling is town? because that's what i've been saying
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May 21 2014 19:42 GMT
#1459
On May 22 2014 04:40 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:38 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
so did i don't worry

Holyflare - Mafia. I've reconsidered a bit, he's on the line for me.

explain it sqrt because i've never seen you explain it in the entire game and the only reason it seems like you're voting me is because i took 3 minutes to say "ya"?

A bit of a meta read. I hosted Yuma, and the tone of your posts are different. Here, it's a bit more.... carefree... or something. I sensed that something was a bit off. Gut read, I guess.
Plus taking 3 minutes to say ya was interesting too.


instead of the meta, which is completely wrong (why would i be carefree as mafia?) is there anything that i've said that you've disagreed with? don't like? doesn't make sense?

I disagreed with your read on steveling.
Plus this:
On May 21 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
should be obvious/will be obvious

You haven't really proven yourself town when you said that.


so you don't think steveling is town? because that's what i've been saying


You said multiple times that I'm town.


that's why i'm wondering why sqrt is saying he disagrees with me?
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May 21 2014 19:45 GMT
#1466
On May 22 2014 04:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:38 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 04:25 Holyflare wrote:
so did i don't worry

Holyflare - Mafia. I've reconsidered a bit, he's on the line for me.

explain it sqrt because i've never seen you explain it in the entire game and the only reason it seems like you're voting me is because i took 3 minutes to say "ya"?

A bit of a meta read. I hosted Yuma, and the tone of your posts are different. Here, it's a bit more.... carefree... or something. I sensed that something was a bit off. Gut read, I guess.
Plus taking 3 minutes to say ya was interesting too.


instead of the meta, which is completely wrong (why would i be carefree as mafia?) is there anything that i've said that you've disagreed with? don't like? doesn't make sense?

I disagreed with your read on steveling.
Plus this:
On May 21 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
should be obvious/will be obvious

You haven't really proven yourself town when you said that.


so you don't think steveling is town? because that's what i've been saying

Near the beginning of the game, no, you were saying that steveling was mafia.


that's a complete lie
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May 21 2014 19:47 GMT
#1470
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=72#1440

i think i'd be fine with a layabout vote tbh
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May 21 2014 19:52 GMT
#1479
On May 22 2014 04:51 bkqyrldp wrote:
I don't think BH's claim makes him town, but lynching him today would still be bad play. Having said that, his only mafia reads both look town to me; Odin for his first post, tone and the confidence when he states he has done more in 5 posts than BH in 3 filter pages. BH's reasons for thinking Geript are particularly laughable and look opportunistic. It doesn't look like he actually bothered to read Geript's filter. Anyway, not a priority today.

Jampi still looks bad for the reasons the other head mentioned, as does Austin for fluffy and underwhelming content, in contrast with what I've seen from him as town recently. Essentially all of his reads so far have been in response to someone specifically asking him for them rather him being proactive.


dat mass sheeping
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May 21 2014 20:00 GMT
#1487
austin we aren't going to lynch claimed blue bh and we aren't going to lynch foolishness who is doing stuff so instead of asking people random questions about these people can you actually look into the people that other people want to lynch and talk about who you'd like to lynch?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 20:02 GMT
#1490
i'm also not going to speculate about names and alignments of those names until i see more than one faction/person/name flip
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May 21 2014 20:02 GMT
#1491
On May 22 2014 05:01 Steveling wrote:
HF you really think foolishness play is towny?


it's productive and not as bad as the people i want to lynch
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May 21 2014 20:10 GMT
#1499
On May 22 2014 05:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 03:35 Steveling wrote:
Koshi, HF, Marvel you were right here 10mins ago.
Thoughs on recent turn of events?

I went to work out my sexy bum and abs. These things don't maintain themselves you know.


pics or it didn't happen
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May 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#1534
On May 22 2014 05:46 bkqyrldp wrote:
Austin needs to stop enabling this stupid RNG discussion. And HF needs to stop pestering sqrt who is likely towny.

People on top of my lynch list currently are jampi ritoky and austin. I'd like marv HF and fool to comment on those 3 for me. And austin in case you are town you can start doing something useful and comment on the other 2.


jampi hasn't really done anything scummy imo but he hasn't really done... anything either so it's a ? but i'm not sure i'd vote him over layabout who has only talked about faction speculation and this post:

On May 21 2014 12:33 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 11:55 Cephiro wrote:
On May 21 2014 11:50 Holyflare wrote:
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?


this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this


How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.

Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?

Her posts are logically consistent and represent a reasonable approach to the game particularly for a new player - not wanting to call people scum before you are confident or have had enough time to make an argument that is worth consideration by others. Her tone is generally good and her posting is on the productive side as far as the thread goes.

However Your point that she does not consider that you are scum voting for her is significant. She immediately talks to you as if she thinks you are town which is not the typical reaction to being voted for. The interpreting your vote as a mafia read could just be how ninja uses language but it also suggests guilt.

And that is my opinion on you case.

Pls shoot people that post like austin's hula stuff, it's tempting to go with gut scum reads but town kp is our only way to effectively deal with that crap and in large games the tone of the thread and proportion of inactives and shitposters has a ridiculous impact.


The red is where he says bunnies posting is consistant, logical, doesn't want to jump to calling people scum without talking more which are all towny things to do. The green is where he contradicts himself in the same post saying that the previous calculated, collected and logical tone is actually significantly scummy. It doesn't make sense.

I want to call him mafia but... I don't think it would be this blatant but there's really nothing else to go on in his filter that says otherwise.
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May 21 2014 20:56 GMT
#1535
oh god damn it, at least i actually used colour
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May 21 2014 21:03 GMT
#1536
On May 22 2014 05:46 bkqyrldp wrote:
Austin needs to stop enabling this stupid RNG discussion. And HF needs to stop pestering sqrt who is likely towny.

People on top of my lynch list currently are jampi ritoky and austin. I'd like marv HF and fool to comment on those 3 for me. And austin in case you are town you can start doing something useful and comment on the other 2.


oh yeh, why is ritoky in your list?

austin i would probably lynch today if push came to shove wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much focus on this bh rng thing even though he's claimed blue
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May 21 2014 21:08 GMT
#1540
On May 22 2014 06:04 bkqyrldp wrote:
HF, take a look at jampi's 3 other games as town. The way he enters the thread as townie is much more inquisitive. This game the aggression and suspicion throwing he uses is way over the top and unwarranted. It looks fake. Unfortunatelly I can't find a mafia game of his to back this up more.


i've looked at some and noticed he gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, some of them also have a similar vibe to this game but i won't know more until he's posted a big post about reads on people with actual reasoning
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May 21 2014 21:08 GMT
#1542
On May 22 2014 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 05:46 bkqyrldp wrote:
Austin needs to stop enabling this stupid RNG discussion. And HF needs to stop pestering sqrt who is likely towny.

People on top of my lynch list currently are jampi ritoky and austin. I'd like marv HF and fool to comment on those 3 for me. And austin in case you are town you can start doing something useful and comment on the other 2.


oh yeh, why is ritoky in your list?

austin i would probably lynch today if push came to shove wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much focus on this bh rng thing even though he's claimed blue

Where did this happen?


in this game
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May 21 2014 22:05 GMT
#1579
just saying tambo is a guy ~_~
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May 21 2014 22:42 GMT
#1645
Why are you pushing so hard on ritoky austin? He's clearly sheeping the feeling that bunnies is going back and forth from scummy to null for himself.
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May 21 2014 22:43 GMT
#1646
"last game she oozed town"
"this game she's back and forth between scummy and null"
"tambo said that and i agree!"
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May 21 2014 22:44 GMT
#1647
Doesn't seem scummy to me honestly and koshi pretty much outlined what i felt
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May 21 2014 23:02 GMT
#1666
On May 22 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@BH: it's only supposed to be for D1, the point is since you're such a mafia god it shouldn't be too hard to get your primary only scum read lynched, especially now that you've claimed and are clearly, totally innocent.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
This would be such an amazing game to be scum.
Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe?
I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now.

Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game
You've made me so sad so far

Yay I was mentioned in a 5k post!

I dunno I'm legit having a shit time right now. What have you got besides memorializing me forever in your milestone post?

Who are the serious candidates right now that I should look into? I feel like layabout is one of them but to me that essentially amounts to lurker lynch I thinks. Who else?

People I think could definitely be red:
Layabout
Val

People I don't have good feelings about:
Slam
Bunnies

One of these three is probably red but I don't feel like figuring it out atm:
Steve
HF
Hapa


Look at these people wave, that should give you something at least.


can you explain this crazy unexplained thing?
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May 21 2014 23:06 GMT
#1675
On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.

I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.

Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.

I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town.


Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.


where are you gettin this info from? The database only has 2 of his games in it and they are both scum,

Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Mafia Framer Survived
Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3

The only game he's played town in is in yuma where he was just spammy because he thought he caught someone and was being stubborn. I get that he looks towny this game but why are you implying this is "obvious town meta"?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:20 GMT
#1690
btw didn't slam claim blue?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:21 GMT
#1693
On May 22 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.

I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.

Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.

I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town.


Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.


where are you gettin this info from? The database only has 2 of his games in it and they are both scum,

Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Mafia Framer Survived
Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3

The only game he's played town in is in yuma where he was just spammy because he thought he caught someone and was being stubborn. I get that he looks towny this game but why are you implying this is "obvious town meta"?


hapa you need to answer this ^^^^^^

replace yuma with glory seeker
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:23 GMT
#1695
On May 22 2014 07:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Just got off of work!!!

Read a bit through the forum while I was working, but going to quickly reread it again, so it'll be about 15-20mins to look through everything. If there is anything you want me to focus on, let me know.

Also, BH. Wtf? You claim a BLUE role when only 3 votes on you?
How...stupid... is .... that....

But we claimed not roles, but names. So here is te thing; it is WIFOM for scum. Who do they shoot? Me? BH? Why? What if we are doc saves? What if we are docs- therefore the perfect shot?

See what happened here is we claimed "blue".
But what does that let out to scum that can't be nullified by other blues in a game this size? Now if BH was not BH but rather some newb and said "folks I b doc" now that is sstupid.

Because then scum is like "o g thanks"

But as it is scum is like "YES WE HAVE TWO POWER ROLES CLAIMED LETS SHOOT" and then the other guy says "no stfu you idiot they could be veterans, we need stack shots" and other guy says "u fill of shut they are fakeclaiming" and another guy says "someone actually dying is more important. BH is a strong player so you know doc saves will be on him, but we don't want Alakaslam dead too early because we need our lylo lynch, so shoot outside those two"

And the qt gets hard to read XD


i cannot comprehend
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:33 GMT
#1708
On May 22 2014 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.

I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.

Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.

I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town.


Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.


where are you gettin this info from? The database only has 2 of his games in it and they are both scum,

Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII Mafia Framer Survived
Cell Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 3

The only game he's played town in is in yuma where he was just spammy because he thought he caught someone and was being stubborn. I get that he looks towny this game but why are you implying this is "obvious town meta"?


hapa you need to answer this ^^^^^^

replace yuma with glory seeker


Wait dafuq? Where did I ever say he had an "obvious town meta?" My read is more objective than anything else.

Anyway, the town game I did look at from him is...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449650-glory-seeker-mini-mafia

The TL Database isn't always complete or up to date. When I look at the difference between his mafia and town games, he's just so much more carefree/hyper/reckless in his town games. His mafia games are certainly active, but surprizingly placid.


Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.

all the time = meta, in this case being 1 time with completely different circumstances so your post was way way too overgeneralised for my liking
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:34 GMT
#1711
On May 22 2014 08:27 Valenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 08:20 Holyflare wrote:
btw didn't slam claim blue?


looked through his filter.. can't see anything before the post you just quoted.

there's just a lot about princess peach, beets, hula hoops and i think he went into yoda mode halfway through.


in the post before that he claimed to be a friend of isaac, isaac is the main character so he claimed blue
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:35 GMT
#1713
On May 22 2014 08:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Can someone tell me what's with Geript and the Scumeling thing?

I suppose he is referring to Steveling here?


geript is feeling the annoyance that i had early game
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:38 GMT
#1720
geript why aren't you pushing slam anymore? wasn't he confirmed scum to you and now he's claimed blue so isn't he double priority?
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:40 GMT
#1728
On May 22 2014 08:39 layabout wrote:
This is a surprise to me but i am actually angry.

I am not sure if i can be bothered to deal with being under pressure for so long because marv can't read me and people listen to him. Is it worth explaining why you are all wrong? Should i ignore it and try to get someone lynched even though i have just about read the thread? Do i commit intellectual self harm and continue watching heroes after the first season?


why the fuck are you angry and especially at marv? marvs read is sheeped from me and koshi
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:41 GMT
#1730
explain your post where you say what bunnies has done all game is towny but then also scummy in regards to cephiro
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:43 GMT
#1733
On May 22 2014 08:42 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote:
geript why aren't you pushing slam anymore? wasn't he confirmed scum to you and now he's claimed blue so isn't he double priority?

He's not scum but he's not town. I'm pretty sure he's like 3rd party.


he's claimed friend of the main protagonist in the game and bh is claiming blue
Holyflare
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May 21 2014 23:57 GMT
#1741
the only reason i wouldn't lynch you was because rayn claimed scum, no offence
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:08 GMT
#1751
On May 22 2014 09:02 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:39 layabout wrote:
This is a surprise to me but i am actually angry.

I am not sure if i can be bothered to deal with being under pressure for so long because marv can't read me and people listen to him. Is it worth explaining why you are all wrong? Should i ignore it and try to get someone lynched even though i have just about read the thread? Do i commit intellectual self harm and continue watching heroes after the first season?


why the fuck are you angry and especially at marv? marvs read is sheeped from me and koshi

I have limited access i was around at the start when most of the thread was shit. I tried to respond to the relevant bits but i was not reading the thread particularly closely because there isn't much of value around. I get back and a bullshit wagon that only started because i wasn't around when the thread started to get better and because entering a thread that is stacked against you is not all that fun because no one listens to you and very few people will look at what you say the way they should once they start to think you are scummy even if their suspicious were originally quite shaky.

marv is right in that i was avoiding taking a stance but that was mostly because i try to be careful at the super early stages and don't like taking stances when i haven't made my mind up, which if you have been reading (unlikely i know) is actually really ironic. cephiros case was the only thing in the thread that i thought was important he asked for opinions and i offered one. But because i didn't end with i" think ninja bunny is ___ so we should(n't) lynch her" i get this.


that's not the reason at all it's not because you haven't taken a stance it's because you start the first part of your post saying that everything bunnies did is logical and towny and then contradict that in the second paragraph saying it's significantly scummy? Those two things do not equate at all and the only reason people are on you is because of that and your lack of involvement with the rest of the game. I don't like your insults of reading the thread "unlikely i know" when I'm the one who has done the most shit in this game while you sit back and complain how you're getting lynched when you know full well your activity and content is poop

why do you feel the need to be careful at the start of the game instead of just saying what you think?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:19 GMT
#1762
On May 22 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@BH: it's only supposed to be for D1, the point is since you're such a mafia god it shouldn't be too hard to get your primary only scum read lynched, especially now that you've claimed and are clearly, totally innocent.

On May 22 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
This would be such an amazing game to be scum.
Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe?
I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now.

Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game
You've made me so sad so far

Yay I was mentioned in a 5k post!

I dunno I'm legit having a shit time right now. What have you got besides memorializing me forever in your milestone post?

Who are the serious candidates right now that I should look into? I feel like layabout is one of them but to me that essentially amounts to lurker lynch I thinks. Who else?

People I think could definitely be red:
Layabout
Val

People I don't have good feelings about:
Slam
Bunnies

One of these three is probably red but I don't feel like figuring it out atm:
Steve
HF
Hapa


Look at these people wave, that should give you something at least.


can you explain this crazy unexplained thing?

Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:26 GMT
#1772
On May 22 2014 09:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 09:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@BH: it's only supposed to be for D1, the point is since you're such a mafia god it shouldn't be too hard to get your primary only scum read lynched, especially now that you've claimed and are clearly, totally innocent.

On May 22 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
This would be such an amazing game to be scum.
Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe?
I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now.

Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game
You've made me so sad so far

Yay I was mentioned in a 5k post!

I dunno I'm legit having a shit time right now. What have you got besides memorializing me forever in your milestone post?

Who are the serious candidates right now that I should look into? I feel like layabout is one of them but to me that essentially amounts to lurker lynch I thinks. Who else?

People I think could definitely be red:
Layabout
Val

People I don't have good feelings about:
Slam
Bunnies

One of these three is probably red but I don't feel like figuring it out atm:
Steve
HF
Hapa


Look at these people wave, that should give you something at least.


can you explain this crazy unexplained thing?


Simple, ya'll have been pretty aggressively shitting up the thread (or at least it seems that way to me) and I figure one of you is probably scum. Time will sort it out so I'm not going lynch hunting in that clusterfuck right now.


are you actually being serious?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:27 GMT
#1773
On May 22 2014 09:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I'm stepping away from the thread to be all girly and fawn over Jensen Ackles and Jared Padelecki from supernatural. I'll be checking thread periodically, so if you need me, yell


ahhh season finale so gud
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:32 GMT
#1778
On May 22 2014 09:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 09:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 09:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@BH: it's only supposed to be for D1, the point is since you're such a mafia god it shouldn't be too hard to get your primary only scum read lynched, especially now that you've claimed and are clearly, totally innocent.

On May 22 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
This would be such an amazing game to be scum.
Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe?
I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now.

Hey Wave I have something for you, pick up your game
You've made me so sad so far

Yay I was mentioned in a 5k post!

I dunno I'm legit having a shit time right now. What have you got besides memorializing me forever in your milestone post?

Who are the serious candidates right now that I should look into? I feel like layabout is one of them but to me that essentially amounts to lurker lynch I thinks. Who else?

People I think could definitely be red:
Layabout
Val

People I don't have good feelings about:
Slam
Bunnies

One of these three is probably red but I don't feel like figuring it out atm:
Steve
HF
Hapa


Look at these people wave, that should give you something at least.


can you explain this crazy unexplained thing?


Simple, ya'll have been pretty aggressively shitting up the thread (or at least it seems that way to me) and I figure one of you is probably scum. Time will sort it out so I'm not going lynch hunting in that clusterfuck right now.


are you actually being serious?

I actually don't mind it.
Y u so scum holy


Don't mind it how? Where have I "shit up the thread" apart from the start with steveling? Where has hapa EVER shit up the thread instead of giving reads? This is totally out of the blue and so far from the truth I cannot comprehend how anyones view can be like this at the present time. Let alone worthy of mentioning in a post containing scum reads.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:40 GMT
#1780
well let's let him answer that for himself
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:41 GMT
#1781
austin are you still around? you still want to lynch ritoky even though half your case on him fell through?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:49 GMT
#1782
laybout can you talk me through your interpretation of bkqwlewrlerl or w/e the fuck the name is
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 00:52 GMT
#1785
On May 22 2014 09:50 geript wrote:
So why is everyone defending Scumeling saying he's produced content. He hasn't. There is not a single redeeming post in his filter. There is not an original thought in his filter. He has done nothing... Lots of nothing. Same for BH. BH has done nothing. Lots of nothing. They're both according to themselves great players capable of single handedly wrecking a scum team. Valenius' shit posting (in the literal not figurative sense) has produced more than both those players combined. Yet people aren't interested in lynching either BH or Scumeling. I don't get it.


shoot him or stfu because nobody wants to lynch steve today
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:00 GMT
#1789
On May 22 2014 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
would lynch/need to pressure more list, some people might be added pending later activity there are a few i'm leaning on adding based on next post they make and yes 2 of them are like modkill pplz

10. MysterMeat1 - modkillable
11. Alakaslam - too serious, defensive, and not trolly enough claimed blue -.-
19. Steveling - literally doing 0 things, honestly don't care how many pages of 0 things he has because it's still 0 (probs town but /care) lost cause
25. austinmcc - "off", asking bh questions of rng, superficially reading people when asked and that's about it, pushing ritoky who i like in aggro ways
26. Onegu - modkillable - wait and see from replacement - atm replacement not acceptable activity, afk layabout vote
29. bkqyrldp - hydra, one head trying to account for reads of other head, attacking weird people (think it's toad+someone) okish for today
31. layabout - not much said, defends and thinks bunnies is suspicious in same post, weird faction talk -scum points for UK mehhhh for now, might add back later if responses inadequate


people contemplating adding:

4. kushm4sta - nothing really said...... lazy kush or scum kush?
5. Blazinghand - rng........ feel like voting for inevitable role claim standard bh -.- claimed blue can't lynch/won't lynch
13. Valenius - awaiting non-literal shit posting his big post just now shows that he's actually participating and looking at scummy people
14. thrawn2112 - activity indicator in later posts
18. kitaman27 - done nothing really, still done nothing
23. mtamburini - only one post of substance that ended in no substance, kind of agree with foolishness post but want to know more before adding
7. Cephiro - added because of inactivity, weird push on bunnies which seemed like too crazy to be town but ended filter in "guys does my play make me look towny or scummy" which is a super odd way to "get reads on people" could have been a play for town cred
9. jampidampi - added because of inactivity, was hesitant at first but the longer it goes on the scummier it gets


updated, probably an error somewhere
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:03 GMT
#1790
@BlueyD, yellow is because he's acting like i'd expect someone from a newbie game flung into a big game full of people talking non-stop would act. He found someone that was an experienced player (BH) and followed their strategy when he felt like nobody was listening to him. I liked his explanation of why it was a "contradiction" in his long post and his next post after that is what I'd actually expect someone to do after just playing with people in a previous game.

i.e. he just played a newbie with a lot of people in here and gave concrete scummy/towny/null reads on them with a few bits of reasoning
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:08 GMT
#1792
Like yellow isn't concrete he's town omg would not lynch but i think he's ok in my books today
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:10 GMT
#1793
kinda just wanna lynch onegus replacement if i'm being honest
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:10 GMT
#1795
but like the majority of lurkery people in this game... i want to hear more T_T
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:12 GMT
#1797
On May 22 2014 10:11 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
but like the majority of lurkery people in this game... i want to hear more T_T

I'm here, wanna talk?


besides jampi who would you lynch?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:16 GMT
#1800
well let's talk through this read on me then because i get a feeling i already know what you'll say about cav and your read on me is really strange because half of it was disproved

so what part of my play is different that makes you think i'm scum? would i be so "carefree" if i was trying to push lynches on not-scum? carefree isn't something i associate with mafia play
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:20 GMT
#1806
On May 22 2014 10:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
well let's talk through this read on me then because i get a feeling i already know what you'll say about cav and your read on me is really strange because half of it was disproved

so what part of my play is different that makes you think i'm scum? would i be so "carefree" if i was trying to push lynches on not-scum? carefree isn't something i associate with mafia play

Yeah, carefree isn't the best word.
But something is different. I'm not sure what, but something is different.


well like i said to steve at the start of the game i'd drop any of that line of thinking because i'm most definitely town and you'll be wasting your time

seeing as you think i'm scum, do you disagree with my lists i've been posting then? you seem to agree with a few names i've been putting up but still maintain that i'm scum which is strange that it's not evolved over that period of time
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:21 GMT
#1809
On May 22 2014 10:20 BlueyD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 09:52 Holyflare wrote:
shoot him or stfu because nobody wants to lynch steve today


Soooo why is your vote on steve?


because i can't be bothered to change it when i don't know specifically where it's going yet
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:23 GMT
#1812
On May 22 2014 10:22 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 10:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 22 2014 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
well let's talk through this read on me then because i get a feeling i already know what you'll say about cav and your read on me is really strange because half of it was disproved

so what part of my play is different that makes you think i'm scum? would i be so "carefree" if i was trying to push lynches on not-scum? carefree isn't something i associate with mafia play

Yeah, carefree isn't the best word.
But something is different. I'm not sure what, but something is different.


well like i said to steve at the start of the game i'd drop any of that line of thinking because i'm most definitely town and you'll be wasting your time

seeing as you think i'm scum, do you disagree with my lists i've been posting then? you seem to agree with a few names i've been putting up but still maintain that i'm scum which is strange that it's not evolved over that period of time

I agree with quite a few of the names you have in your lists, almost all, actually.
But I do still think that you're scum.


hahaha ok :D
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:24 GMT
#1814
On May 22 2014 10:23 layabout wrote:
Looking at tamburini i think the most worrying thing is how quiet he (she?) has gone

holy i think bkqyr posts make decent sense and they are confident to say things that no one else is i might choose to interpret this as town but even if i don't i see no reason to lynch bkqyr

i like kush's posting and after scrapping a case i also like hapa

hapa scrapped a case? or do you mean austin?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:26 GMT
#1817
your cav read is because he's only talking about steve for a long time right? + aggro
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 01:30 GMT
#1823
On May 22 2014 10:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Christ sqrt your reads are so bad I swear.

I'm actually legit considering HF super confirmed town because you scumread him. You scumread people for the worst reasons, and it isn't even a tell because you played like this last time too.

The fuck.

Also, I'm gonna take my vote off of Steve because I'm pretty sure geript can just shoot him during the night sequence, and he probably isn't getting lynched anyway.


so who's scum other than steve now?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:15 GMT
#1848
Austin what do you make of mz saying there's a red between me/hapa/steve because we're the ones shitting up the thread?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:22 GMT
#1852
On May 22 2014 11:18 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:15 Holyflare wrote:
Austin what do you make of mz saying there's a red between me/hapa/steve because we're the ones shitting up the thread?
I think that MZ is giving short shrift to the other thread shitters or attempted-thread-shitters.


Looks quite scummy imo. Mentions list of scum reads or would lynches and then randomly throws in "here are people that probably contain red but I'm not going to talk about them and they are shitting up the thread!" looks an awful lot like mafia throwing in mafia to reads. Hapa isn't even shitting up the thread and I'd say I'm at least being productive so it's odd that he'd mention it over other people that are far more detrimental.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:28 GMT
#1856
so why does mz have such a warped view of the thread then? can you explain that?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:30 GMT
#1858
up in arms? it's the opposite of defensive by the way, it's aggro at you for being so out-of-touch from the game
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:35 GMT
#1864
On May 22 2014 11:33 austinmcc wrote:
HF if nothing else his kitathoughts were in line with mine, concerned/tentative and not just jumping on kita for barely/not posting and doing nothing useful. His early game here FEELS different to me as well when you compare it to the last big themed game he was mafia in (i think his most recent, PYP: LOL).


i don't mind if it's different i'm just curious why it was such a completely off base thing to add to a post of scum suspects when it had no logical reasoning behind it and it wasn't even substantiated because he didn't even know who posted what
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:36 GMT
#1865
i don't think many scum people have high pages of filter of active participation so i'm wondering why that's a legitimate heuristic for mz to have
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:37 GMT
#1869
On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
What do you guys make of cav?
His last posts are just scum.


I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?


i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:38 GMT
#1871
On May 22 2014 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 22 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
up in arms? it's the opposite of defensive by the way, it's aggro at you for being so out-of-touch from the game

My dear Divine Blaze, you are the very definition of defensive right now, I hardly called you out and you responded. If my accusation was as baseless as you claim you could have just let it go. I didn't even go after you in particular but you felt threatened.


no i'm not threatened i'm leaving no stone unturned and think you could easily be mafia for having no idea what's going on to be in the mind to even add that to a post of who you would lynch
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:42 GMT
#1878
On May 22 2014 11:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 22 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
i don't think many scum people have high pages of filter of active participation so i'm wondering why that's a legitimate heuristic for mz to have

Dude
Dude
Have you ever played mafia before? It's more than possible for scum to have large filters, and spammy and shitting up the thread is a legitimate scum tactic.

Just because you're active doesn't mean what you are contributing is valuable or even helpful.


i never said it was impossible i said it wasn't very likely and there's only a few people that do it but "shitting up the thread" implies that the stuff people are doing is terrible and detrimental to the thread so if you think that is happening then prove it because like i said, it's a baseless thing which showed you have no actual idea of what is happening in this game
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:49 GMT
#1884
On May 22 2014 11:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
up in arms? it's the opposite of defensive by the way, it's aggro at you for being so out-of-touch from the game

My dear Divine Blaze, you are the very definition of defensive right now, I hardly called you out and you responded. If my accusation was as baseless as you claim you could have just let it go. I didn't even go after you in particular but you felt threatened.


no i'm not threatened i'm leaving no stone unturned and think you could easily be mafia for having no idea what's going on to be in the mind to even add that to a post of who you would lynch

ohhh not a good post at all.

First off you're OMGUSing. But more importantly, "leaving no stone unturned" is not actually protown in my experience because it shows an inherent guilt because you feel the need to defend yourself from every little thing. It's a scum mindset :/


well then you need to rethink your scum mindsets there buddy and learn how i play the game
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:51 GMT
#1886
no absolutely you go after me if you think i'm scum, don't drop it because a player whose alignment you have no idea about asks you to look elsewhere
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:52 GMT
#1889
On May 22 2014 11:52 Steveling wrote:
HF you didn't answer me btw about your lies.
Can you explain?


what lies?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:55 GMT
#1893
On May 22 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
What do you guys make of cav?
His last posts are just scum.


I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?


i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit


What annoyance?
What kind of lies are you spreading here.

He's not saying that I'm spammy or annoying or anything like that.
His only reason was that I play like my other games, even like my scum games which I proceeded to disprove and after that he went crazy, I asked him to parley but he refuses, obviously because he has no other reasons because he's scum.


well if i was annoyed at you for last game and i was mafia and i won because i could push a mislynch on you i can only imagine what cav would feel like if you started doing the same thing in this game (he was town in that game for anyone else wondering) it would put me in a fowl mood for every single post of yours that i read, like it did for me at the start. It's also frustrating to not be listened to when you're in a mindset like that
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 02:59 GMT
#1897
On May 22 2014 11:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
up in arms? it's the opposite of defensive by the way, it's aggro at you for being so out-of-touch from the game

My dear Divine Blaze, you are the very definition of defensive right now, I hardly called you out and you responded. If my accusation was as baseless as you claim you could have just let it go. I didn't even go after you in particular but you felt threatened.


no i'm not threatened i'm leaving no stone unturned and think you could easily be mafia for having no idea what's going on to be in the mind to even add that to a post of who you would lynch

ohhh not a good post at all.

First off you're OMGUSing. But more importantly, "leaving no stone unturned" is not actually protown in my experience because it shows an inherent guilt because you feel the need to defend yourself from every little thing. It's a scum mindset :/


well then you need to rethink your scum mindsets there buddy and learn how i play the game

See unlike some people in this game I'm not gonna pretend that I'm such a great mafia player I can tell how someone else thinks. However the way you reacted has not looked good at all for you. Furthermore your OMGUS makes it look even worse. I don't really care how you play tbh, if your play is scummy though I'm gonna have to poke further.


I don't think you're using OMGUS right? I think it's a mafia mindset to include extra people outside a list of scum reads when it's not entirely needed to make it look like you are gathering extra reads during the game. It's also your "inherent guilt" thing that you were talking about. That's why people do it as mafia because if there IS one mafia in there it looks like you started your suspicion naturally from that post and increased suspicion throughout the game.

The fact that you didn't know hapa wasn't "shitting up the thread" reflected that you weren't really focused on the game at hand. The fact you even use shitting up the thread in the first place was super odd because only steve can really be classified as doing that in that list and there are many more (as austin has even pointed out) candidates that are far more guilty of actually shitting up the thread that you didn't mention at all. Page count, sure, it's numbers but it's not unproductive, anti-town, against finding scum.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:00 GMT
#1898
On May 22 2014 11:57 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
What do you guys make of cav?
His last posts are just scum.


I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?


i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit


What annoyance?
What kind of lies are you spreading here.

He's not saying that I'm spammy or annoying or anything like that.
His only reason was that I play like my other games, even like my scum games which I proceeded to disprove and after that he went crazy, I asked him to parley but he refuses, obviously because he has no other reasons because he's scum.


well if i was annoyed at you for last game and i was mafia and i won because i could push a mislynch on you i can only imagine what cav would feel like if you started doing the same thing in this game (he was town in that game for anyone else wondering) it would put me in a fowl mood for every single post of yours that i read, like it did for me at the start. It's also frustrating to not be listened to when you're in a mindset like that


So you chose to completely phase out the part where I distinguished my town from my scum plays.
The part where even cav admitted of being right and backed off.
You have a shitty excuse my friend.


what am i using as an excuse? that's what i'm thinking so why would i have any need to lie about what i'm thinking?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:00 GMT
#1899
point out where cav admitted you were right though i'd like to look at that because afaik he just conceded that you wouldn't get lynched but instead would get shot
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:04 GMT
#1902
but i thought you were scummy for it before hence why i've been asking people the questions about it? is that not abundantly apparent? -.-
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:05 GMT
#1903
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=93#1852

here is the post where i call it scummy before you've even returned
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:09 GMT
#1906
On May 22 2014 11:57 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
What do you guys make of cav?
His last posts are just scum.


I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?


i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit


What annoyance?
What kind of lies are you spreading here.

He's not saying that I'm spammy or annoying or anything like that.
His only reason was that I play like my other games, even like my scum games which I proceeded to disprove and after that he went crazy, I asked him to parley but he refuses, obviously because he has no other reasons because he's scum.


well if i was annoyed at you for last game and i was mafia and i won because i could push a mislynch on you i can only imagine what cav would feel like if you started doing the same thing in this game (he was town in that game for anyone else wondering) it would put me in a fowl mood for every single post of yours that i read, like it did for me at the start. It's also frustrating to not be listened to when you're in a mindset like that


So you chose to completely phase out the part where I distinguished my town from my scum plays.
The part where even cav admitted of being right and backed off.
You have a shitty excuse my friend.


So this is the part where you flat out lie

On May 22 2014 09:01 Cavalinho wrote:
What's funny is that I thought that gumshoe was town before it anyway.

But whatever, my words didn't really hold the same kind of weight as anyone else's.


He gives up because like I said, he's annoyed his reads hold no favour in everyone elses minds. So what I said was legitimate and you portrayed it in a scummy light. Gj.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:13 GMT
#1911
So like, you just got proven that you in fact were lying and I was telling the truth and you go attack cav again????
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:14 GMT
#1914
On May 22 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:57 Steveling wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
What do you guys make of cav?
His last posts are just scum.


I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?


i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit


What annoyance?
What kind of lies are you spreading here.

He's not saying that I'm spammy or annoying or anything like that.
His only reason was that I play like my other games, even like my scum games which I proceeded to disprove and after that he went crazy, I asked him to parley but he refuses, obviously because he has no other reasons because he's scum.


well if i was annoyed at you for last game and i was mafia and i won because i could push a mislynch on you i can only imagine what cav would feel like if you started doing the same thing in this game (he was town in that game for anyone else wondering) it would put me in a fowl mood for every single post of yours that i read, like it did for me at the start. It's also frustrating to not be listened to when you're in a mindset like that


So you chose to completely phase out the part where I distinguished my town from my scum plays.
The part where even cav admitted of being right and backed off.
You have a shitty excuse my friend.


So this is the part where you flat out lie

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 09:01 Cavalinho wrote:
What's funny is that I thought that gumshoe was town before it anyway.

But whatever, my words didn't really hold the same kind of weight as anyone else's.


He gives up because like I said, he's annoyed his reads hold no favour in everyone elses minds. So what I said was legitimate and you portrayed it in a scummy light. Gj.

On May 22 2014 09:01 Cavalinho wrote:
What's funny is that I thought that gumshoe was town before it anyway.

But whatever, my words didn't really hold the same kind of weight as anyone else's.


On May 22 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:40 Steveling wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:33 Steveling wrote:
What do you guys make of cav?
His last posts are just scum.


I'm kinda wondering if he can legitimately be as angry as he seems this game. Is he usually like this?


i for one understand his annoyance (hence the early game me vs steve) but i'd like him to start branching out a bit


What annoyance?
What kind of lies are you spreading here.

He's not saying that I'm spammy or annoying or anything like that.
His only reason was that I play like my other games, even like my scum games which I proceeded to disprove and after that he went crazy, I asked him to parley but he refuses, obviously because he has no other reasons because he's scum.


well if i was annoyed at you for last game and i was mafia and i won because i could push a mislynch on you i can only imagine what cav would feel like if you started doing the same thing in this game (he was town in that game for anyone else wondering) it would put me in a fowl mood for every single post of yours that i read, like it did for me at the start. It's also frustrating to not be listened to when you're in a mindset like that


Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:15 GMT
#1915
fowl = foul
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:15 GMT
#1917
No cav absolutely do not do that, ignore him and look elsewhere.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:16 GMT
#1920
What question....?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:18 GMT
#1924
On May 22 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 11:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 22 2014 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
up in arms? it's the opposite of defensive by the way, it's aggro at you for being so out-of-touch from the game

My dear Divine Blaze, you are the very definition of defensive right now, I hardly called you out and you responded. If my accusation was as baseless as you claim you could have just let it go. I didn't even go after you in particular but you felt threatened.


no i'm not threatened i'm leaving no stone unturned and think you could easily be mafia for having no idea what's going on to be in the mind to even add that to a post of who you would lynch

ohhh not a good post at all.

First off you're OMGUSing. But more importantly, "leaving no stone unturned" is not actually protown in my experience because it shows an inherent guilt because you feel the need to defend yourself from every little thing. It's a scum mindset :/


well then you need to rethink your scum mindsets there buddy and learn how i play the game

See unlike some people in this game I'm not gonna pretend that I'm such a great mafia player I can tell how someone else thinks. However the way you reacted has not looked good at all for you. Furthermore your OMGUS makes it look even worse. I don't really care how you play tbh, if your play is scummy though I'm gonna have to poke further.


I don't think you're using OMGUS right? I think it's a mafia mindset to include extra people outside a list of scum reads when it's not entirely needed to make it look like you are gathering extra reads during the game. It's also your "inherent guilt" thing that you were talking about. That's why people do it as mafia because if there IS one mafia in there it looks like you started your suspicion naturally from that post and increased suspicion throughout the game.

The fact that you didn't know hapa wasn't "shitting up the thread" reflected that you weren't really focused on the game at hand. The fact you even use shitting up the thread in the first place was super odd because only steve can really be classified as doing that in that list and there are many more (as austin has even pointed out) candidates that are far more guilty of actually shitting up the thread that you didn't mention at all. Page count, sure, it's numbers but it's not unproductive, anti-town, against finding scum.


I'm just going to quote this again so you actually stop wasting my time.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:23 GMT
#1929
Look steveling i'm going to be brutal here. The way you are playing if you are town is so beyond useless I don't even know how you think it's playing as a towny. You jump on people for tiny little things that aren't even true, don't make them scummy, don't even make sense but still chase it like you're so beyond right that no matter what anyone else says it doesn't make a difference.

You play this game like you're the only one in it and you're the only one that matters but you shouldn't be. Other people are playing this game too and if they all focus around your tiny little world of useless spam then nothing productive can be done because we don't know anyones alignments and we can't figure it out if all they are doing is wasting time on you. If you want to be helpful you have to actually focus on HELPING people out and not just antagonising people when you think you are right. I honestly think you should try out some proper newbie games with some coaching involved.
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:25 GMT
#1931
I think you need to grow up ~_~
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:26 GMT
#1934
What happened to thrawn? I need him to talk to me about kush :/
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:29 GMT
#1936
On May 22 2014 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On May 22 2014 12:26 Holyflare wrote:
What happened to thrawn? I need him to talk to me about kush :/


i'm lurking. what do you wanna know about kush? i think it's pretty great.


i dunno you seem to know him best whenever i've seen you together so what do you think about him as he's on my list?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:34 GMT
#1938
am i to be expecting a giant post of reads today?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:38 GMT
#1941
On May 22 2014 12:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On May 22 2014 12:34 Holyflare wrote:
am i to be expecting a giant post of reads today?


idk. i tried to care earlier but it didn't work.


so we have to lynch you?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:41 GMT
#1947
On May 22 2014 12:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'll take any requests though as long as they're interesting and don't have anything to do with geript, bh, or steve

On May 22 2014 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
would lynch/need to pressure more list, some people might be added pending later activity there are a few i'm leaning on adding based on next post they make and yes 2 of them are like modkill pplz

10. MysterMeat1 - modkillable
11. Alakaslam - too serious, defensive, and not trolly enough claimed blue -.-
19. Steveling - literally doing 0 things, honestly don't care how many pages of 0 things he has because it's still 0 (probs town but /care) lost cause
25. austinmcc - "off", asking bh questions of rng, superficially reading people when asked and that's about it, pushing ritoky who i like in aggro ways (not sure anymore, need to check filter again soon)
26. Onegu - modkillable - wait and see from replacement - atm replacement not acceptable activity, afk layabout vote
29. bkqyrldp - hydra, one head trying to account for reads of other head, attacking weird people (think it's toad+someone) okish for today
31. layabout - not much said, defends and thinks bunnies is suspicious in same post, weird faction talk -scum points for UK mehhhh for now, might add back later if responses inadequate


people contemplating adding:

4. kushm4sta - nothing really said...... lazy kush or scum kush?
5. Blazinghand - rng........ feel like voting for inevitable role claim standard bh -.- claimed blue can't lynch/won't lynch
13. Valenius - awaiting non-literal shit posting his big post just now shows that he's actually participating and looking at scummy people
14. thrawn2112 - activity indicator in later posts (that's you!)
18. kitaman27 - done nothing really, still done nothing (potentially going to take him off soon)
23. mtamburini - only one post of substance that ended in no substance, kind of agree with foolishness post but want to know more before adding
7. Cephiro - added because of inactivity, weird push on bunnies which seemed like too crazy to be town but ended filter in "guys does my play make me look towny or scummy" which is a super odd way to "get reads on people" could have been a play for town cred
9. jampidampi - added because of inactivity, was hesitant at first but the longer it goes on the scummier it gets


updated, probably an error somewhere[/QUOTE]

take your pick, pretty much left with Tambo, Cephiro, jampi and onegu's replacement for me today
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:45 GMT
#1952
who was it that said they'd talk about the game to someone else when it was finished? was that austin and kita?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:45 GMT
#1953
or wave idk
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:47 GMT
#1955
oh was it austin talking about foolishness in a qt?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:52 GMT
#1959
mmk what do you think about ceph's last post before he went super afk?
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:57 GMT
#1964
On May 22 2014 12:47 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
who was it that said they'd talk about the game to someone else when it was finished? was that austin and kita?
Not me, I think maybe WoS? I'm talking to some sheep of the non-following and yes-counting variety.

On May 22 2014 04:39 austinmcc wrote:
##Foolishness Read: Foolishness's posts in mason QT of you only shoot once

What's the fourth word in the last post you made there, message 261?



On May 22 2014 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 22 2014 08:24 geript wrote:
On May 22 2014 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Random stuff before I eat and get a chance to do proper reading later:
BH probably town. Think I said that before. I know BH is well aware of his meta and whatnot but I've even him do this RNg thing too many times to count and while he's certainly capable of this as both alignments, he generally isn't this blatantly useless as scum. This would be one of those town games where he'd be perfectly happy getting killed or lynched as town, and there are a few of them. It annoys me but this is what I think.

I can't say I've read ritoky's recent stuff but based on his earlier ones (the me/MZ read post) and skimming recent things I think he COULD be scum.....his posts just feel...wrong to me? I dunno I can't really explain it better. Like his reads come out of left field and don't make any sense to me at all even though he explains them. That could indicate just a different player with a different play style but it could also indicate a different mindset IMO. Dunno maybe when I read him more closely I can explain better. Just feels on him right now and while it's not necessarily mafia feels, I get the non-Euclidian geometry feeling from his posts. Lovecraft styles. No that's not a crumb.

Are you kidding me Wave? He was this blatantly useless in Ver's game. Seriously?

Ongoing games, bro. And there's a difference. When game ends remind me and I can give details.


these
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:58 GMT
#1965
oh you answered nvm
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 03:59 GMT
#1967
i was looking up for the things that could only be spoken about when the game ended but you already replied about it before i posted
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 04:01 GMT
#1968
is tambo playing video mafia today bunnies? have you seen him around?
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May 22 2014 04:09 GMT
#1979
On May 22 2014 13:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 22 2014 13:01 Holyflare wrote:
is tambo playing video mafia today bunnies? have you seen him around?


He wasn't playing the last game, but I think he might be playing the next game.

Also @Thrawn: That is the type of posting I want to see. Even if I expected more, it's atleast a start.

I actually like your reads there.

you've changed my mind, congrats!

##Unvote


so he's around but not posting in this game at all............?

##vote tambo
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May 22 2014 05:19 GMT
#2022
yeh 7/32 so strong
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 05:22 GMT
#2027
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087

follow this post, realise that tamburini is playing video mafia actively and has been around but has not posted in this thread, vote tambo, profit
Holyflare
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May 22 2014 05:24 GMT
#2028
On May 22 2014 05:29 OnceKing wrote:
ok i'm leaving now be back in a few hours
right now i'm gonna
##vote layabout cause he's probably the most boring/useless person in the game so far

On May 22 2014 14:08 OnceKing wrote:
nope not in detail
since getting back i've read pages 78 through current, haven't read that much of stuff before i replaced in (page ~75) but have read a few filters



if you've not really read the thread in detail how did you know who to vote and for any reasons?
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May 22 2014 05:31 GMT
#2031
On May 22 2014 14:29 Steveling wrote:
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On May 22 2014 14:19 Holyflare wrote:
yeh 7/32 so strong


I think that in this setup 7 actually is a decent number of people.
With everyone pursuing their own targets and what not.

On May 22 2014 14:22 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=55#1087

follow this post, realise that tamburini is playing video mafia actively and has been around but has not posted in this thread, vote tambo, profit


how do you account for this then?
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May 22 2014 05:33 GMT
#2033
On May 22 2014 14:32 OnceKing wrote:
because i've read some filters and looked for the content around individual posts
i looked at current issues and who was getting discussed a lot then i went through filters and asked myself if i agreed with what was being said, or if what i saw in the filter made them scum


k carry on then

what specifically about layabout do you still dislike?
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May 22 2014 05:38 GMT
#2037
On May 22 2014 14:37 Cavalinho wrote:
>.>


you have been rather angry today
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May 22 2014 05:42 GMT
#2042
On May 22 2014 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:


your profile is insane
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#2074
On May 22 2014 15:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
HF and steve are both misusing/trying to manipulate basic mafia terminology and I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You boys should take your beef back to the newbie games for a bit.


If you still think it's omgus after I've explained why it's not then i suggest you follow that advice that you just tried to give me
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May 22 2014 07:13 GMT
#2082
On May 22 2014 16:11 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
midterms tomorrow, so i haven't had time to even read the thread. The last time i looked we where on page 60... lol. Looks like i have a lot of reading to do catch up on later...

i hate to say it, but how much of this is a worthwhile read?


You are getting lynched at the moment so all of it
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May 22 2014 13:43 GMT
#2232
On May 22 2014 21:11 layabout wrote:
you know what fuck this guy

Show nested quote +
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.

Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.

I don't believe its the case but frankly if you think WoS is contributing more than me just kill me.

He is voting for me but not for any of the (piss-poor) reasons already brought up but for one that isn't valid:
That 100% of my posting is shit so i am a shitter. WE HAVE GERIPT STEVELING AND HOLFLARE TAKING DUMPS ALL OVER BUT NO! LAYABOUT IS THE ONE SHITTING UP THE THREAD.
This is total bullshit. ritoky cannot believe that argument and that i am mafia for that reason. He is sheep voting with invalid justification.

He comes into the thread on day 1 and says that WoS is his top scumread.
Before he leave he says that the lynch should be beteen layabout and WoS.
he says
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WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.

that is the entirety of his comments about WoS.
It's almost as if he is trying to not be convincing.

tamburini has gone completely quiet since ritoky thought he was scummy.
In my eyes te going quiet is pretty scummy since it shows tamburini is worried about posting, but in ritoksy eyes it's cause to drop suspicion
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21391985
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I think you misread mtam's filter, I was moreso commenting on how I felt his movement back and forth from neutral to scummy, back to neutral was how I was feeling about bunnies.

However since then mtam has gotten a lot worse in my mind.
wait no, it wasn't. 12 hours ago mtam is even more suspicous to ritoky. Then tamburini gets a load of votes but rather that go with his scumread that might get lynched he totally ignores it and jumps somewhere else. He is not trying to figure out the game

He is scum

##vote: ritoky


Am i really on the same level as geript and Steveling??
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May 22 2014 13:59 GMT
#2237
No it's not my only issue lol, i kinda liked ritokys posting and to someone who doesn't know wave it would make sense that you'd think he's scummy for posting but posting shit all. Then his tamburini read, afaik he was agreeable with tamburini because they shared the same read on bunnies but he did nothing since then and tambo looked a lot worse. Which is what someone with natural suspicion would be thinking.
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May 22 2014 14:01 GMT
#2239
For someone who isn't leading votes and is being voted for "piss poor reasons" layabout sure is angry instead of thinking those reasons come from scum
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May 22 2014 14:02 GMT
#2240
On May 22 2014 23:00 bkqyrldp wrote:
WoS's whole filter is completely useless, even though it's quite lengthy.


I feel that he'd be much more involved if he played scum seeing as he never rolls it and last time he was super excited when he did.
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May 22 2014 14:06 GMT
#2245
Like most of them afaik :p?
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May 22 2014 14:07 GMT
#2246
I mean look at his profile and see how many scum games he's played lol
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May 22 2014 14:19 GMT
#2249
Xatalos what do you make of tamburini playing video mafia and purposefully afking?
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May 22 2014 14:50 GMT
#2259
On May 22 2014 23:43 Xatalos wrote:
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On May 22 2014 23:19 Holyflare wrote:
Xatalos what do you make of tamburini playing video mafia and purposefully afking?


Didn't someone say that he didn't participate in this latest video mafia and that he'll be participating in the next one? Dunno. I don't think being AFK is inherently scummy. I also came to check the thread last night before going to sleep and saw that there were like 15+ new pages so I just went to sleep instead :D


There's like 5 games of video mafia a night dude. He's the main lynch choice and he hasn't said a word since pressure started building.
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May 22 2014 14:52 GMT
#2263
Well the point still stands, he was around and he has the most votes.
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May 22 2014 14:55 GMT
#2267
Video mafia games take hours -.- and by afk period you mean the entirety of the game right?
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May 22 2014 14:57 GMT
#2271
Why does everyone think day 1 scum lynches are rare when in the past year it's been like 50% scum day 1 lynches. Paat few games I'd say higher.
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May 22 2014 15:10 GMT
#2278
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27517591

oh snap, hope onegus doing ok :/
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May 22 2014 19:34 GMT
#2534
Dislike pretty much 50% of BH's case on odin but the other half is alright (the part where he just sheeps people without saying anything and doesn't really mention why he's voting them). ##unvote ##vote odin

However, I just want to point out these people who seem to just go with the flow for no reasoning or whatever and try and push their own lynches so strangely and in such an odd way that I think they could be scum.

On May 23 2014 02:58 Cavalinho wrote:
I might move my vote onto Odin if others do it.

I'd prefer mtam over Valenius right now, and unless I can ensure Odin's lynch over Val's, I won't move my vote.
On May 23 2014 03:49 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Does anyone remember the quote:Odin bet that BH made with someone?

I feel like that's what this is now.


I was thinking the same. I was looking for it but couldn't find it.

Both of these lynches feel kinda "eh" to me, but maybe I'm just bad. I don't know.

On May 23 2014 04:00 Cavalinho wrote:
Alright alright I'm moving my vote.




^ That's the scummiest response i've seen, why would he need other people to jump onto odin before he does it instead of going through the points BH raised and talking about them and agreeing/disagreeing and making his own points. Very different from the cav in glory seeker that wanted to make sure he didn't mislynch people by reading into their posts. Also states that these lynches feel "eh" but for no reason and no conversation why and then after everything switches anyway....?

On May 23 2014 03:15 OnceKing wrote:
i'm kinda buying the chinese fire drill onto odin after reading bh's stuff
i still think valenius is scum and i think his reduction of the stuff i have on him to "hes shit so hes scum" is pretty disingenuous though

On May 23 2014 03:21 OnceKing wrote:
alright I'll play the chinese fire drill game and sheep you
Cav's a town read for me and he doesn't seem to think Valenius is scum so I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now
##unvote
##VOTE: OdinofPergo


^ thinks odin is scum but doesn't state why or converse and then actually starts to want to push val instead for far worse reasoning than bh laid out for odin. Not only that but afaik cav thinks val was scum but then onceking drops his entire scum read (which he should have been making ON HIS OWN THE ENTIRE GAME) because cav doesn't like the lynch and he thinks cav is town.......? a) i'm pretty sure cav thinks val is scum, b) why would he drop his own read because of his read on cav

On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care.

On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT.



^ no comment on what bh said, completely gave him a vt read based on... nothing? then wants to lynch val and after this posts meta on him but ignores the meta that bh pulled out earlier


On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:
I Vote:: tehpoofter

why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS

harharharhar

^ the fuck....?


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#2540
On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...?


I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.

Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear.

As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else.


hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from?
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#2543
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.


so what specifically do you disagree on, isn't it scummy that you then have this view and so many people agreed with it that he now has 12 votes?
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#2546
On May 23 2014 04:39 OnceKing wrote:
i already had been making my points on valenius
cavalinho doesn't think valenius is scum and he states why a bit after that
it's entirely possible valenius is just a slow starter so... benefit of the doubt
i just thought bh's case was better


he wanted to lynch val originally and thinks he's scum but your response was entirely based off of cav
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May 22 2014 19:53 GMT
#2570
On May 23 2014 04:47 austinmcc wrote:
mtam afks a bunch, plays video mafia instead of this, comes back to being lynched, responds by posting some stuff that doesn't entirely make sense, then going to play LoL instead of ... catching up / more defending / anything.

Doesn't want to assign anyone back to me.

Is playful with posts but in a deliberately anti-town way, despite having no real reason to be glib/smug/anything. Still a perfectly legitimate lynch and chooses to taunt in a naughty naughty way, unlike the newbie games where he wants to be town leader and whatnot.

No bueno.


agree with this
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#2578
On May 23 2014 04:54 Koshi wrote:
rofl at the people wanting to switch now.


not gonna switch but want tambo shot
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#2588
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.

On May 23 2014 04:42 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.


so what specifically do you disagree on, isn't it scummy that you then have this view and so many people agreed with it that he now has 12 votes?


You could also say that I'm basically lynching myself d2 if he flips red after coming to defend him 30mins before lynch.
I don't care, the case is pure make believe, like a scum case.

On May 23 2014 04:45 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.


Do you or do you not objectively agree with the points raised in my case?


I said it's make believe.
Nothing substantial, nothing that I would read and go "damn this guy is right".
Mby I'm just a bad townie but I don't like it.

On May 23 2014 04:50 Steveling wrote:
I'll put my vote where my mouth is and hope for the best.
##unbote
##bote: mtamburini

On May 23 2014 04:51 Steveling wrote:
Fucks sake layabout, do you know how ez we made it for the scum veterans to come after us now?
Whether he flips red or green.

Fuck this game.


these posts are really really strange and i mean more than just being bad like normal strange, unnatural feeling of pressure, hate of this game for no good reason, "fabricated scum case" made by bh but no reason why
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May 22 2014 20:00 GMT
#2595
On May 23 2014 04:59 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.

On May 23 2014 04:42 Steveling wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.


so what specifically do you disagree on, isn't it scummy that you then have this view and so many people agreed with it that he now has 12 votes?


You could also say that I'm basically lynching myself d2 if he flips red after coming to defend him 30mins before lynch.
I don't care, the case is pure make believe, like a scum case.

On May 23 2014 04:45 Steveling wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 23 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Read it and I'm pretty sure you made that case BH becuse he's your rng target.
You would have made a case on anyone who was rng'd just to see it happening.

I don't like where this is going.


Do you or do you not objectively agree with the points raised in my case?


I said it's make believe.
Nothing substantial, nothing that I would read and go "damn this guy is right".
Mby I'm just a bad townie but I don't like it.

On May 23 2014 04:50 Steveling wrote:
I'll put my vote where my mouth is and hope for the best.
##unbote
##bote: mtamburini

On May 23 2014 04:51 Steveling wrote:
Fucks sake layabout, do you know how ez we made it for the scum veterans to come after us now?
Whether he flips red or green.

Fuck this game.


these posts are really really strange and i mean more than just being bad like normal strange, unnatural feeling of pressure, hate of this game for no good reason, "fabricated scum case" made by bh but no reason why


)))
I just want you to know that 2/2 games I have successfully read your scum play.


well i will link you the next newbie game in post game
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May 22 2014 20:01 GMT
#2602
don't we have an hour left...?
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#2605
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=13#242

made at 10pm and it's 9pm now
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May 22 2014 20:03 GMT
#2608
why is the lynch an hour early though? x_x
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May 22 2014 20:20 GMT
#2636
totes shooting tambo
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#2660
On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst


like me?

btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town


i'm not sure that's true looks like irl was calling
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May 22 2014 21:28 GMT
#2681
that's what i was doing before the lynch actually happened and you decided to not say anything about it
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May 22 2014 21:32 GMT
#2683
honestly was thinking we had an hour left
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May 22 2014 21:41 GMT
#2686
On May 23 2014 06:35 Blazinghand wrote:
ohhhhhh cause the D1 was only 47 hours you got thrown off? yeah I could see that. I doubt your vote would have changed things though


no it wouldn't have but i was thinking we could talk through the shady voters before and maybe make some shenanigans happen
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May 22 2014 21:42 GMT
#2687
but w/e i'll get into that later
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#2695
On May 23 2014 07:04 geript wrote:
It's funny, like I saw what BH was doing. Wait for wagon to fall apart, present case that no one will read, lynch for no reason.if by some miracle that BH is alive tomorrow, we lynch him. Perhaps someone will shoot him tonight, perhaps someone won't but meds shouldn't be given to him.


one of the worst posts in the game and that's saying something
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May 22 2014 22:17 GMT
#2702
On May 23 2014 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
I guess he meant Vigi shot though


which is still terrible logic to write about
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May 22 2014 22:25 GMT
#2707
too lazy to check but did anyone not on the odin wagon say they liked an odin lynch?
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May 22 2014 22:31 GMT
#2711
On May 23 2014 07:31 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 07:25 Holyflare wrote:
too lazy to check but did anyone not on the odin wagon say they liked an odin lynch?
There were a couple "I want x to happen before I decide", generally seeing if a specific person was going to post, but i don't remember off the top of head anyone specifically saying they liked it but not joining it.


find dem ppl!
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May 22 2014 23:03 GMT
#2734
your part on marv is wrong btw steve
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#2737
part 1, they aren't casually joking that odin is scum at all, it's teasing the fact that because bh played so shit all game with his rng and his rng was on odin by principle they can't be looking at odin

part 2 he never says bh's post was bad at all so don't use the word explicitly says when someone doesn't explicitly say anything, he says bh is crazy but crazy can sometimes be right which is the opposite of what you are saying

part 3 you honestly think that it's worth pointing out that marv disliked sqrts reasoning for a val lynch??? sqrt gave no reason whatsoever

part 4 tamburini was around
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May 22 2014 23:13 GMT
#2738
and yeh tambo what austin said, you shouldn't be telling us to look into these reasons you should be looking at it yourself because you have the privilege of knowing your alignment so can draw far better conclusions
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May 22 2014 23:43 GMT
#2761
On May 23 2014 08:19 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
part 1, they aren't casually joking that odin is scum at all, it's teasing the fact that because bh played so shit all game with his rng and his rng was on odin by principle they can't be looking at odin

part 2 he never says bh's post was bad at all so don't use the word explicitly says when someone doesn't explicitly say anything, he says bh is crazy but crazy can sometimes be right which is the opposite of what you are saying

part 3 you honestly think that it's worth pointing out that marv disliked sqrts reasoning for a val lynch??? sqrt gave no reason whatsoever

part 4 tamburini was around


1. I don't know what you understood but that's what I meant.
That they are toying with the idea of Odin being scum, the reasons don't matter.

2.Are you inside his head? I don't think so unless you share a qt. He said bh is crazy, that equals bad in my book.
Stop projecting your own opinions upon other people.
Marvel himself said that bh was crazy, he also dismissed a vote switch on val as non persuasive enough.
Logic as to why he sheep'd bh over sqrt=none.

3.I pointed it out because he had actually voted him earlier.

4.She/he/it wasn't for a long time though.


1. not really, they aren't toying at all they are just joking with the fact they don't want to look into it at all

2. believe it or not i know what crazy means, crazy means mad not bad and and even if it means bad this wasn't what you said at all, you said it meant "he didn't like bh's post" which isn't stated there at all

3. sarcasm eludes some

4. i guess so?

anyway, i like what you're doing and it's what you should have been doing since the start of the game but i'd like it even more if you came to conclusions on these people before you posted what they did - are they scum for saying these things or what?
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#2787
On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:
So far a bunch of towns.

BH
Hapahauli
Marv
(Oh look vet !)
Mattisfoolish
Austinmcc

And a scum read or two.

Mtamburini and Steveling.

Why Hapa? Why Marv?

Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense.

Marv because he also made sense


do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game?
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#2789
On May 23 2014 09:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 09:02 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 08:54 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 23 2014 08:51 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
On May 23 2014 08:50 Alakaslam wrote:
So far a bunch of towns.

BH
Hapahauli
Marv
(Oh look vet !)
Mattisfoolish
Austinmcc

And a scum read or two.

Mtamburini and Steveling.

Why Hapa? Why Marv?

Hapa because he is doing scumhunt stuf that maketh sense.

Marv because he also made sense


do you think they couldn't be doing that as scum in a 4 faction game?


And what you think steveling is doing then?

i have no qualms with what steveling is doing but he's not a vet and vets would find it easy to seem towny in this game imo
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May 23 2014 00:36 GMT
#2795
how is that post anything to do with whether odin flips town or not, it's literally the exact same thing you are doing
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May 23 2014 01:32 GMT
#2813
i've seen like 5 blue claims this game on day 1 lol, kind of ridiculous!
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#2816
i am the 5th faction Golden Sun
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#2823
On May 23 2014 10:48 OnceKing wrote:
to clarify i would say that post by BlueyD puts him on the scummy side of things. I'd vote to kill him, but he wouldn't be my first choice. In my personal experience mafia members like to come in after a ML and call people idiots despite not doing anything about it

like, if you thought it was a terrible idea then why weren't you around for almost a whole day to stop it from happening? more than likely is scum wanting to say "sheep me, i knew this was wrong" but instead of actually pushing the idea that it's wrong you wait until after the lynch when it can't be changed anymore to whine at us.


this guy is onto something, maybe i should be listening to kita! :OOOO

blueyd just straight up assumes we lynched odin because of rng? what if we found other information that pointed heavily towards him being scum and it looked really convincing, why would he be posting that we're idiots before actually reading?
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#2834
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.

I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.

Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.


Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.

Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it.


can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game
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May 23 2014 05:30 GMT
#2843
On May 23 2014 14:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.

I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.

Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.


Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.

Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it.


can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game


Marv/Kita/BH off the top of my head.

The thing is, it doesn't really matter if they're town. Given that there are multiple factions, it's highly likely that mafia and town can have similar objectives (lynching other factions). If you want my surface reads on them...
BH = Town
Kita = Null
Marv = Slight-Town


Of course it matters if they're town because you want to find not-town people and they could be pushing agendas as not town?? Are you solely saying that you followed them because their names were all up there and pretty like? Now that you know he was town do they look more suspicious to you for providing 0 reasoning for lynching odin? Kita doesn't even mention wanting to lynch odin at all afaik in his entire filter.

On May 23 2014 06:34 kitaman27 wrote:
There were a couple of people who voted for Odin based on a "logically sound case", rather than actually sharing a belief that he was mafia.

I know some may consider this a matter of semantics here, but I put some value into it. Will look back later.


^ does that look more strange to you now considering that? Kita falls into that category of people but he wants to look into those people. Does that make sense?
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 15:16 GMT
#2889
waiiiiiiiiit what??? 4h 43 mins isnt right, this is 24-1 so deadline is 3h 43?
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 15:36 GMT
#2895
On May 24 2014 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
it is right. it's 9 oclock holy, just like deadline was last night.


End of day is 9 like yesterday, deadline should be 8 because it's 23-1
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 15:41 GMT
#2898
Cool shit. Tambo clock is ticking.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 15:41 GMT
#2899
On May 24 2014 00:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol

Here we are, the conglomerate of the blues/reds, all panicking like "ack ack when is the deadline?!?!?"


Reds ask in qt's bro
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 15:58 GMT
#2905
On May 24 2014 00:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 14:30 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 14:07 Hapahauli wrote:
On May 23 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 23 2014 13:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Hm. That lynch result was unfortunate. Though the good news is that we have a lot of material to work with - these crazy late vote swaps always generate good information.

I'll be reading the buildup to the lynch tomorrow, as I just drove 8 hours and I'm dead tired. My first instinct is to look into players on the Odin wagon that followed Blazinghand's RNG lynch as opposed to lynching Odin for actually being suspicious of him. Yell0w stuck with his early RNG vote on Odin despite having several other scum-reads in his filter. Alakaslam never mentioned a scum-read on Odin either (other the RNG stuff). Not sure if that's just Slam being Slam, but that's objectively pretty terrible.

Obviously there are more people to look into than the two I mentioned above - Cavalihno's case looks interesting at first glance, and I'll need to verify that myself after I get some sleep. Tambo essentially wasting his vote late in the cycle is also very bad.


Since several people expressed concern about my own actions during the lynch, I can't defend myself other than simply not being able to post while driving on a highway. My travel schedule today was terrible, and I really wish I could have been around for the deadline.

Instead, I had a very short time to get acquainted with BlazingHand's case, saw a bunch of reputable players follow it, and kinda just went with the flow. Given the result and hindsight, I very much regret how it played out, but there was very little I could do today to help it.


can you name the reputable players without looking and also say if you think they are town this game


Marv/Kita/BH off the top of my head.

The thing is, it doesn't really matter if they're town. Given that there are multiple factions, it's highly likely that mafia and town can have similar objectives (lynching other factions). If you want my surface reads on them...
BH = Town
Kita = Null
Marv = Slight-Town


Of course it matters if they're town because you want to find not-town people and they could be pushing agendas as not town?? Are you solely saying that you followed them because their names were all up there and pretty like? Now that you know he was town do they look more suspicious to you for providing 0 reasoning for lynching odin? Kita doesn't even mention wanting to lynch odin at all afaik in his entire filter.

On May 23 2014 06:34 kitaman27 wrote:
There were a couple of people who voted for Odin based on a "logically sound case", rather than actually sharing a belief that he was mafia.

I know some may consider this a matter of semantics here, but I put some value into it. Will look back later.


^ does that look more strange to you now considering that? Kita falls into that category of people but he wants to look into those people. Does that make sense?


I don't know - I'm going to look at the lynch right now and see what I find.

But yes I sorta just went with the flow on the last lynch, basically because their names were "shiny". There's really not much else I can do while driving. Was it a good idea in hindsight? Probably not. I did manage to skim the BlazingHand case enough to think it was pretty good (as did many other people), and thought my vote would be of better use consolidating with the rest of the town.


What about the kita stuff? :p
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:17 GMT
#2959
Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers

And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:21 GMT
#2968
On May 24 2014 03:19 Steveling wrote:
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On May 24 2014 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers

And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3


Well he quoted my post and said "him", so not my fault rly.


It's not just that. You've made some whole associative thing with cav/kita/marv on a post that you don't understand the context of because it's some kind of English nuance
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May 23 2014 18:25 GMT
#2972
On May 24 2014 03:23 Steveling wrote:
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On May 24 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:19 Steveling wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:17 Holyflare wrote:
Steveling you are misinterpreting so many things because of language barriers

And yeh hapa, that's the last time i listen to anything you have to say! </3


Well he quoted my post and said "him", so not my fault rly.


It's not just that. You've made some whole associative thing with cav/kita/marv on a post that you don't understand the context of because it's some kind of English nuance


I get what you mean but you are the one who doesn't understand me.

I said that no matter what their reasons where I still find it scummy.
You said that they were joking.

See what I mean? Doesn't matter why they had this little 3 man train, joking or not, I don't like it.


If i was around i would have also +1'd it. You don't like it because you've drawn a conclusion based on your understanding of what it says in basic english when to native speakers it's quite clearly a jab at bh in a joking way.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:27 GMT
#2980
On May 24 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:
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On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote:
That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread.


the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served


Doesn't that highlight the fact that he's just not around?
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:29 GMT
#2983
On May 24 2014 03:25 Steveling wrote:
Btw HF, regarding my reads yesterday, the only one whom you defended was marv. Since you thought that I had some faulty reasons.
Does that mean you agree with all the other reads?
What do you think of these people?


Well that was the one you drew conclusions from inaccurate translations on, so i was just pointing it out. The others are contextual posts that I'd have to read myself but I'd rather see the night actions before that, honestly.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#2988
On May 24 2014 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:
here take a look at my filter in like the first game I played on TL Mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/291067-student-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Blazinghand

Some choice quotes

On December 10 2011 13:19 Blazinghand wrote:
BKEXE, I'd be more careful about how I post, were I you. I personally feel a great deal of frustration in my attempts to parse the tomato-stained spaghetti that you call "analysis", and I am one of the more patient folk here. Please, for the good of the town (if you are town) make your case in a legible fashion.

Thank you.


more funly worded but I still just called a dude bad and told him to be better

moral of the story is i'm just a dick


You can be dicks all you want.
I'm too.
But the whole vet thing is just silly and a cancerous limb that needs to be cut off.


Good luck trying that on a vet like me huehuehuehuehuehue


:D
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:35 GMT
#2996
Just lynch the people that don't contribute a single thing at night. Legitimate scum heuristic.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:37 GMT
#2999
Thrawn town read kush for the shittiest reasons btw, surprised kush didn't mention it.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:44 GMT
#3007
On May 24 2014 03:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 03:32 layabout wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:25 layabout wrote:
That case on y3llow is horrific and i would normally call it pretty scummy tbh. Being absent during the last 3 hours of the day (which is when the odin wagon started in earnest) is not something that we can necessarily infer things from because we have no way of knowing if the absence is legitimate. That's a narrative, a few quotes and no argument with some added complaining about doing work for the thread.


the dude was absent for way more than the last 3 hours of the day tho and he hasn't veen back since then so yewah, get served

"dude" your first game of mafia wasn't even student it was the 80 player one

@ hapa cephiro was one of if not the first players to move the discussion into the realms of because of A and B player C is Mafia


You are 100% correct. However in a multi-faction game, pursuing a read genuinely is not a town-tell.

Had he contributed at all to discussion out side of Bunnies (hell had he did anything outside of tunneling a single person), I might think differently of his play. But he didn't.


I like your maf read on ceph abd i added him to my list at the end of the day. I think his last post is MORE telling though. He asks people:

On May 21 2014 13:34 Cephiro wrote:
General question to the players in the game:

1) Is my play more likely to come from town or scum?
2) Reasoning for the above.

Answer these if you'd like to help me get a read on you.


Which is probably the weirdest thing for anyone to ask. To me it looks like he's gathering consensus on if he can play really shit or not if people town read him, not the face value reason of getting reads because honestly what does ye expect to gather it's going to be pretty much the same thing from everyone.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:47 GMT
#3012
On May 24 2014 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
I would also like to note that, even though Odin HAPPENED to flip town, and even though when I started writing that case on him I was doing it just cause he was my RNG target, it was still a good case. Partway through, I started to really believe it. It was just gonna be a half-assed thing, but as I wrote more and more and read more and more I started to eat my own dog food, so to speak. I wanted Odin to be scum, so bad. I wanted him to be scum and when he said and did scummy things I was so happy.

You can't understand how happy I'd have been if he flipped scum, if RNG had really truly worked. Think about every game from now on: I could suggest RNG saying that it has lynched scum every time people implemented it. I [u]believed, and even if only for a few hours, so did many of you. Even though Odin flipped town, we still have that memory, and I will always treasure it.
[/i]

Probably why 50% of it was bad then :D

Also i want tambo to die even if just for the information. If he is actually town the people that were switching look more town etc.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:49 GMT
#3018
I meant by vigi :p
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 18:54 GMT
#3027
On May 24 2014 03:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 24 2014 03:47 Holyflare wrote:
On May 24 2014 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
I would also like to note that, even though Odin HAPPENED to flip town, and even though when I started writing that case on him I was doing it just cause he was my RNG target, it was still a good case. Partway through, I started to really believe it. It was just gonna be a half-assed thing, but as I wrote more and more and read more and more I started to eat my own dog food, so to speak. I wanted Odin to be scum, so bad. I wanted him to be scum and when he said and did scummy things I was so happy.

You can't understand how happy I'd have been if he flipped scum, if RNG had really truly worked. Think about every game from now on: I could suggest RNG saying that it has lynched scum every time people implemented it. I [u]believed, and even if only for a few hours, so did many of you. Even though Odin flipped town, we still have that memory, and I will always treasure it.


Probably why 50% of it was bad then :D

Also i want tambo to die even if just for the information. If he is actually town the people that were switching look more town etc.


I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. If he is town, people just switched to another town. Not sure if that is alignment indicative, but mafia could have been just pushing on a mislynch for both of them, that's IF tambo is town.
[/i]

Historically scum like to lay low and look like the good guys after a towny lynch by not being on it if shenanigans like bh did happen. If they are both town then scum went out of their way to look bad on a town/town lynch which doesn't really make sense.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 19:33 GMT
#3058
Because hapa as 3p you wouldn't care who got lynched as long as someone that wasn't in your faction did as all deaths outside would further your win con.

I also shot tambo.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 19:40 GMT
#3067
Not saying i agree or anything just that that could be a motive, lack of time/paying attention at deadline cz busy could be another.

Got my eye on you!
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 19:41 GMT
#3070
Yup, getting major vibes from lxiii where (thrawn or hopeless? Probs hopeless) made a post really similar to that for not lynching risen when he was mafia.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 19:43 GMT
#3075
Marv read = click filter, click all, ctrl+f scum and see how many times he's said it. Less than expected? then not town!

Legitimate.
Holyflare
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May 23 2014 19:49 GMT
#3082
Going to be away for a while, hopefully tambo shot clears things up.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:15 GMT
#3481
I know the wave apathy thing is likely town wave but i think he has irl stuff which could have been the cause of that and erandorr i really want to lynch the crazy hell out of.

Got something out of night actions btw but not saying anything till later.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:16 GMT
#3483
Also steve has claimed a 4 shot vet. Slam and bh are immune? Is that logical?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:21 GMT
#3485
Got something out of night actions btw but not saying anything till later.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:24 GMT
#3486
And I'm not sure i agree with the kush thing. Austin said something earlier about him that i remember agreeing with. Also scum kush I'd see as being 1000x as lazy in a big headache inducing game such as this.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:28 GMT
#3488
He has contributed and I've liked quite a few of his interjections which show that he's reading stuff at that time. Kush in yuma didn't give a shit and talked about vpm no matter what was happening because he didn't care.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:31 GMT
#3489
On May 24 2014 10:15 BlueyD wrote:
Good case by mattisfoolish on kush, looks like he's scum again.

##vote kush


You said you were reading kush's filter but then only agreed with Foolishness' case which is based solely on meta. Did you gather anything from his filter at all? Aren't you unsure?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:39 GMT
#3491
Since when did not being useful = mafia though? Why so aggro on specifically kush just because a meta case was presented but not erandorr who has done nothing but say hello twice and say he's reading in 2 days? Why mot thrawn, the person you defended saying he'd pick up end of day 1 otherwise he's probably scum but you haven't been pushing that either? You've been making sweeping general statements on people as if they are 100% truth/meta reads but then never really following through on that conviction you had in calling out their meta in the first place.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:40 GMT
#3492
*until someone else pushes something for you
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:53 GMT
#3496
No idea forgot really, thought they both claimed immune but bh was making some play...?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 01:57 GMT
#3499
Oh reread it, so they are immune to being controlled but we aren't. Why does it contain bh's name in slams pm though? Also, marv said some weird thing about bh and himself being confirmed to each other which was super weird.

The bk kill is highly highlyyy likely to come from marv/hapa/kita/foolishness/austin though so I'm pretty confident there is one mafia there.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 02:07 GMT
#3502
That won't work
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 02:16 GMT
#3505
On May 24 2014 11:12 BlueyD wrote:
Meh, not much new in thrawn's filter since last time I looked. Problem is I don't know when thrawn powers tend to activate. If they don't by N2 he shall be considered scum.


Then why did you make it out like you knew on day 1?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 03:11 GMT
#3518
On May 24 2014 11:20 Steveling wrote:
So HF why did you not read my koshi case?


Is it not obvious? Your case on marv is easy to spot as being wrong because it's an obvious language barrier. Your case on koshi actually would involve me digging up a specific quote to find the context of it to prove that you laid a "trap" and like i said i wasn't reading the rest at that moment.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 03:14 GMT
#3520
On May 24 2014 12:11 geript wrote:
Scumeling. Seriously. Please stop. Like you're really not helping right now. Make a point. Write a case. Smoke some weed. Whatever but seriously chill. Like you've gotten under more people's skin this game than I have. Like what I did was a problem. You've taken off with it and to be honest, you'll probably end up being lynch for it at some point in this game. Chill.


How is this not helping? He's actually asking useful questions atm. Bh and slam are most likely not town so why aren't you getting him to clarify?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 04:12 GMT
#3535
Dude they cluld just be some form of 3p not even a faction?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 04:13 GMT
#3536
Still can't get my head around a 4 shot vet though, especially as we've only seen 1 kp for each element or w/e
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 04:17 GMT
#3537
Anyway this convo is really disjointed from the pevious convo. I would love to lynch erandorr.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 04:19 GMT
#3539
##vote erandorr

I suggest you read his filter for the wealth of information he has provided us since his joining 2 days+ ago.
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 04:29 GMT
#3542
I do not care about that.
On May 23 2014 07:48 Erandorr wrote:
Hello friends. I will need a bit of time to catch up. I'll give you my thoughts if anything interesting stands out while reading. Also HI STEVE

On May 23 2014 08:14 Erandorr wrote:
HI KITA. imma go sleep read through the rest tomorrow. I was wondering how you guys managed 140 pages but then i saw the content.

On May 24 2014 05:27 Erandorr wrote:
Hello
On May 24 2014 05:29 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2014 05:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Don't worry guys, I won't reveal my role unless it's necessary to save my life. My role is such that I can't reveal it without making it substantially less useful going forward, assuming scum has certain roles/powers.


What the fuck is going on in this game?



He has 24 hours between saying good night and returning with hello and commenting on useless bh post. Nowhere does he state he didn't have enough time to read. Apparently he is around enough to display confusion at a post when it is posted but not enough to point out anything in his "reading".
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 04:34 GMT
#3543
I wouldn't care if he just gave up reading and said fuck it I'll start from here, I wouldn't even mind if he didn't even appear for ages. Yet he promised activity and contribution in the form of reads WHILE reading. I wouldn't mind even if he started that and stopped while doing it. However, he had the time to make a wtf post 1 min after bh made it and then disappear all over again with no hint that he has or hasn't read. No picture of caring.
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May 24 2014 05:01 GMT
#3545
It's not just the replacement either, wave was equally uninvolved
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 05:08 GMT
#3547
And doing nothing is scummy when you promise to do not nothing
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May 24 2014 16:28 GMT
#3593
On May 25 2014 01:23 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 01:17 BlueyD wrote:
My defense is gonna suck but that's what you get: I'm a noob, this is my 2nd game in recent memory and it's too big for me. I've had no confidence in my reads so they come off as weak and I wait to see if someone better than me agrees instead of pushing them hard myself. I had similar behavior in Yuma with my kush read for what it's worth. Both cases I tried to build here, first on yellow and then on cav, were judged to suck on top of that so that makes me want to just say "I'm no good at this" and jump on wagons of people who are.

I'm just gonna drop any thought-filter I had for the rest of the time I have left, dunno how long that is, and go with honest thoughts here. I have nothing to lose really, I don't see myself surviving very long anyway. Also screw consistency with my previous reads in what I’m gonna say here. I’m sure there’s a lot of crap in there especially since I know very few of you, meta is a useful tool but I have no real access to it.

---


Kush is just scum, I might not be pushing my reads well but he doesn’t even have reads. Laziness only goes so far. It’s not “just a meta case”, he’s just done nothing. Kill it with fire soon. Same for thrawn, either he actually does stuff really soon or town better kill him.

BH and Slam are in all likelihood town. This looks to me like a setup with 4 rival factions (one for each element) getting their NKs from controlling townies and making them kill stuff, with a group of town heroes immune to the control effects under most conditions. This is all speculation but that’s what I think. Either way BH and Slam have confirmed each other openly. It’s possible I’m entirely wrong, if ever one dies you’ll know the other’s alignment for sure though.

Fool is town, building them cases. Kita I don’t know. Like, his case on me reads well, which is what made me realize I’ve been playing like crap... Namely I should’ve said in advance I’d miss about 19 hours of play, and I should either have made strong cases or been openly lazy, I shouldn’t have put a filter on the analysis but not on the emotions... Right now the end result is I just end up looking like someone who wants to look like he’s doing stuff when he’s not. Meh. But at the same time, well, I know the conclusion’s wrong. I think most of it is explainable by him not knowing me at all, me playing like crap, and things not looking good in the filter out of context. But overall he’d be on the townier side.

Tamburini is possibly just lynchbait, his play makes no sense at all, and these crazy people who just fail to understand what is going on are usually lynchbait. I don't know if anyone can fake being this crazy while being a good player, people who've played with him would've called that immediately. I hate trying to read players like these because nothing they do is alignment-indicative and I’d hate to be in lylo with him but basically there’s a decent chance he’s town-aligned.

Yellow I wouldn’t lynch right now, and rereading his case makes me realize it was not that strong in the first place even though I made it. He still looks a bit scummy to me for having pointed out how easy it could be for scum to hide in BH’s RNG-lynch and then going for it anyway, and then keeping his vote on Odin after having legit scumreads... But some stuff like defending me against an unjustified early kita attack even though I was on his case makes me like him more. It’s like, he’s nullish because stuff he’s done just goes both ways. He started scum, he's looking more and more town, I figure if he keeps talking there are good chances he'll be a townread soon.

Sqrtofneg1 gives me stupidly strong scumvibes for no reason I can discern. It’s just a feeling. I open his filter and read a few posts and go “screw that”. That’s not a sign I foresee getting any useful info there. When I did manage to dive in I found a lot of unjustified town reads and not a lot of scum reads, and he turned his read on Ceph from town to scum with no reason. Lots of spam. Leaning scum. Lynch or shoot soon.

Cav has had scummy moments: screwed up his meta read on me then told me to shut up and take my townie read when I questioned him on it instead of answering, then later on he’s at the point where he’d lynch me without having explained why. Plus that case I made on him which no one paid attention to. I’d put him on the scumteam.

Holyflare is the 4th player I’ve played with, he's apparently known for playing the same way as town and as scum so I'm not even gonna try to read him.

Steve is likely town as I’ve said, no non-suicidal scum would claim a survival role at the moment he did. Apparently he has 4 pots of invulnerability, or whatever you want to call them. That doesn’t mean listen to him, that just means ignore his ass for another 3 cycles or so if you don’t like him, he might even die by himself once his pots run out.

Geript has been waving a gun in front of everyone but I’m gonna go ahead and bet it’s made of plastic. I can’t see a guy with that temper not shooting early especially when there were ok targets, and it’s kind of risky to claim vig D1. He’s doing exactly the opposite of what I’d do with a gun, aka keep it under the pillow and suprise-shoot when necessary. Does that make him scum? Well it at least makes it more likely. Meta reads apply here, as I don’t know the guy.

I think it was kita who mentioned I should’ve analyzed ceph. Truth is when I wrote that post, the Ceph-bunny part is what I wrote last, it was tacked on to the rest of the post which I took a lot of time thinking up. I got lazy there, plus I had no idea whether the bad case made Ceph scummy or not, so I just went with my first thought, which was that at any rate the case wasn’t good. In hindsight I don’t like that he came in, tunneled one person, left, and didn’t show up for so long afterwards. Doesn’t feel like he carefully picked his time and target to strike, just feels like he wanted to build a case on whoever he saw, and stuck at the first person he interacted with. Scum.

Xata is really really town too. I don’t care to give details on that one. But some stuff he’s said makes it pretty obvious.

The rest of the players made no strong impression on me. Had a few reads I had little confidence in in a notepad file but they’re not up to date. Had a list of to-watch people which included Val, ritoki, Austin, jampi and layabout, plus some guys I talk about up there (thrawn, val, yellow, ceph, tambo). Had onceking, Hapa and ninjabunnies on the townier side for I-don’t-know-why. I even had marv 3rd party early in the game like a bunch of people now do due to him telling someone not to worry too much about factions and just hunt scum. That was another just-a-feeling that I’d have felt silly putting out there, but might actually have been useful in hindsight. Who knows.

---

All right, this is already more than long enough. At worst you lynch me and I'm free from this time-consuming hulk of a game. If you lynch me you'll be one bad townie down which isn't so bad, but at least you'll have a bunch of thoughts you'll know comes from a townie. By the way I'm VT so you don't lose any powers by lynching or otherwise shooting me.

I'm just gonna spend the afternoon outside. I'll take a look again tonight.


oh come on


I like it, why don't you?
Holyflare
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May 24 2014 17:09 GMT
#3610
Let's kill thrawn
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:04 GMT
#3866
On May 25 2014 13:45 Steveling wrote:
I have to organise my league's draft this evening so I won't be here till monday evening.
My vote will stay on eran for today because he's the scummiest scum.
Toodaloo!


Dafuk? You said NOT to lynch him today?


Also, austin the jig is up. I checked you and you are not town.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:06 GMT
#3867
##vote austinmcc

Yadayada
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:09 GMT
#3871
Checking for rb's etc gather more info.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:09 GMT
#3872
No idea :p
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:14 GMT
#3874
Was on my list and is someone that could sway people if more vetty ppl died.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:19 GMT
#3876
In other news i made the most amazing eggs benedict this morning
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:22 GMT
#3881
Lol I'd rather bask in the glory of confirmed for just a bit longer
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:22 GMT
#3882
Tell us how factions work
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:24 GMT
#3885
Also this means that some people were recruited last night? Do you know if other factions can do the same?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:26 GMT
#3888
Recruitment extra annoying so koshi recruited you or other way around?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:27 GMT
#3892
So what is bh's thing about not being controlled?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:28 GMT
#3895
On May 25 2014 14:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2014 14:26 Holyflare wrote:
Recruitment extra annoying so koshi recruited you or other way around?

me?

Obviously the guy we're talking to who is talking about recruitment :p
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:29 GMT
#3897
Well this just about flips every read i have back to square one if there are multiple recruiters
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:33 GMT
#3903
Vote for sure but can still question :p
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:35 GMT
#3905
So austin you may as well reveal what element you were :p
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:37 GMT
#3911
No way we let you live to recruit? :o
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:39 GMT
#3915
Yeh but then town doesn't? :o
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:39 GMT
#3916
Oh endgame win right
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:40 GMT
#3917
Do people keep powers when recruited? Or just become goons?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:43 GMT
#3924
Bh and slam didn't recruit each other their role pm's mention each other hence why the buddying afaik. Recruiting takes place at night otherwise it's dumb
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:49 GMT
#3932
Well if there's factions that endanger then it's likely there is a faction that doesn't endanger town, or can win with it at least so i kinda trust what austin is saying but to keep him alive or not is the question. If he pledges to use his kp tactically for town on who we say i don't see a problem with it, although that would reveal his alignment though but he could always not use it too etc which is still pretty beneficial for him and us and if a faction witholds kp to frame him then it's also more likely beneficial doubly for us too
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:50 GMT
#3933
K nvm last part doesn't make sense but rest still stands
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:53 GMT
#3935
Austin if you want to stay alive you really need to just reveal everything about what factions and recruiting does, you can leave out faction name etc
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 05:58 GMT
#3937
Anyway after dropping the truth bomb it's time to go, austin reveal all or die.

Cya
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 15:27 GMT
#4042
On May 25 2014 23:51 Xatalos wrote:
I can say for 99.99% certainty that the "control" thing isn't related to recruiting new players for a faction. Since I know for a fact that it's a "temporary" effect - you can be controlled, you can be uncontrolled, etc.


Explain
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 16:18 GMT
#4048
i just get alignments of town/not town
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 16:30 GMT
#4058
how many ppl did your faction start with? 1?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 16:41 GMT
#4061
so yeh, steveling/valenius or kush is converted by austin most likely
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 16:43 GMT
#4062
basing it off of this post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=153#3052
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:03 GMT
#4247
Xatalos implying i shouldn't be saved. Steveling implying I'm earth djin. This game is lol.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:11 GMT
#4261
Geript can shooy thrawn and then we confirm his alignment/role
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:13 GMT
#4264
Legitimately think austin recruited steve at this point btw
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:14 GMT
#4267
Haha i wish that too woulda been a lot more fun :p
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:19 GMT
#4274
Don't think we can afford to leave you alive in case you're lying about random kp/hiding info/have awesome anti town stuff that you won't reveal.

It also stops your faction recruiting which is a +

If you can kill someone in lynch kill thrawn though but i doubt you can on top of everything else.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:19 GMT
#4275
On May 26 2014 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:
So is hf bad? Or what



.....?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:21 GMT
#4281
On May 26 2014 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Why wouldn't we lynch hfs check? ??


Exactly....
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:36 GMT
#4304
On May 26 2014 04:31 austinmcc wrote:
I've got a not-town check on me and I'm townier than 2/3 this game


Welcome to golden sun mafia :/
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:39 GMT
#4306
Also that slam thing everyone thought was towny looked really fakeish to me. Obviously he knew he wasn't going to die. I still think he's towny though.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:40 GMT
#4309
On May 26 2014 04:39 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
On May 26 2014 04:31 austinmcc wrote:
I've got a not-town check on me and I'm townier than 2/3 this game


Welcome to golden sun mafia :/
Yeah. It wouldn't even be that awful if I were actually mafia, there'd be a team and KP and stuff.

But i had a FUN role and I wanted to make it work and you've crushed my dreams.


Kinda wish we had pm's even though i dislike pm's :D
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:47 GMT
#4317
On May 26 2014 04:46 geript wrote:
I'm ok with leaving Austin alive if he promises to ABBA to recruit me. That said, I can't think of a major reason why anyone else would go along with this plan. I've just always wanted to be 3P

Snooglewoogle why didn't you just recruit me so we could be brothers in ABBA.


You are shooting thrawn tonight
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:48 GMT
#4320
On May 26 2014 04:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
nobody is shooting me, I won't allow it


Well that's a shame
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:54 GMT
#4324
Assuming i survive the night :p
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:54 GMT
#4326
Gonna rng my check so that maybe rng can do something useful in it's lifetime
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:55 GMT
#4329
I assume his potions are only 1kp protects...
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:56 GMT
#4330
And I'm pretty sure based on xatalos' power that more factions can recruit.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 19:59 GMT
#4337
On May 26 2014 04:57 Xatalos wrote:
I think it's bit OP if there are multiple recruiting factions and 3+ KP each night.


Kp has chances to hit factions, i assume we also have kp. Your power is straight up useless if austin can win with town because he just claims after recruiting and becomes a team of free town assets and you wouldn't need to take their powers.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:00 GMT
#4340
On May 26 2014 04:59 Steveling wrote:
But srsly, think how even more fucked we would be if he didn't share any of this.


How are we fucked in the slightest??? He's NOT town which means it's not a mislynch.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:03 GMT
#4344
So geript shoot the shit out of thrawn plz
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:05 GMT
#4348
He recruited last night so that's wrong :/ most likely other factions recruit too (see my post) so don't believe it's 1/1/2/2
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:09 GMT
#4355
The fact that he coukd win simply by killing off one faction meant that he could easily be a danger to town. Not to mention he could still have been lying.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:10 GMT
#4358
On May 26 2014 05:09 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 26 2014 05:05 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi, aligned to Mercury was crushed by solid rock!
bkqyrldp, aligned with the Adepts was charred to a crisp!
Meapak_Ziphh, aligned with the Adepts was electrocuted

So...

Mars = fire (killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = ?
Venus = ?
Jupiter = ?


jupiter is lightning/wind, venus is earth, mercury is ice/water in the games


So, mercury are the only ones to not have attempted to recruit people?


You said you got hit by kp?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:43 GMT
#4380
Rnging check for lulz. GG scummers fear the rng. Also fear that you can't kill me and i hope you all recruit me so that it fucks up. Lolololol wifom.
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:51 GMT
#4387
Wuttt how 2 heart?
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:53 GMT
#4388
💖💖

Well holy shit thanks whatsapp
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:53 GMT
#4389
My life has been changed by this revelation
Holyflare
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May 25 2014 20:57 GMT
#4391
🇸🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇮🇩🇦🇷🇳🇬

I only wanted to copy flags wtf is this conspiracy
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 00:09 GMT
#4454
I started on sc2 mafia. Roflstomped every game.
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 00:27 GMT
#4473
On May 26 2014 09:19 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 09:09 Holyflare wrote:
I started on sc2 mafia. Roflstomped every game.


I once won like 6 games in a row. It's a bit dependent on luck too though. Usually there's like Mafia, SK, Arsonist etc. A ton of power roles. The night actions have a huge impact on the game.


Well when i played i was ranked and everyone let me do my saved setup which was mostly vanilla
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 00:38 GMT
#4486
All I see is eran complaining but then joining in. Classic scum. If you want to see progress then start playing and make others play, don't complain.
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:10 GMT
#4592
On May 26 2014 12:05 geript wrote:
The last Greymist game had a town role that gave checks based on what the character was from: eg biblical character, of this world, not of this world, etc. I don't find " touched by magic " to be an impossible town role. Explain that Laya.


If you do not shoot you will be lynched. If your shot is an element that has been seen, you will be lynched. If you claim rb you will be lynched.

Shoot thrawn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 26 2014 03:16 GMT
#4596
Thrawn claimed to look into the future twice when there has only been 1 night action phase (lol) and has done shit all but complain on day 1 how he can't be bothered and then suddenly on day 2/n2 when he's about to be shot claims more powers
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:23 GMT
#4598
Sooo yeh, interact with me guys i need attention!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:28 GMT
#4602
Ignore geript he's a big dumbo and i bet his shot won't go off tonight because he most likely got recruited
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:32 GMT
#4603
Also if someone has like a cannot be converted doc role, using it on me would be awesome!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:34 GMT
#4605
On May 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Also if someone has like a cannot be converted doc role, using it on me would be awesome!

I can make sure you don't get converted


No you can't I'm immune to kp tonight.
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:35 GMT
#4607
Sooo nobody gonna comment about what i said on thrawn?
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:45 GMT
#4613
On May 26 2014 12:38 geript wrote:
That he's a great policy shot. I agree.


Nothing to do with policy whatsoever. He claimed something that was impossible to do and is acting scummy when being threatened to die.
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 03:51 GMT
#4615
Something you should be finding out because you're shooting him...?
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 07:28 GMT
#4623
Smilies from an ipad
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 13:35 GMT
#4641
On May 26 2014 20:32 kushm4sta wrote:
just seemed like he gave a shit and now he doesn't. same with marv.


Well i learnt that most factions probably have recruiting so cba to scum hunt if it's just gonna change everyday :p

Rely on ze powers!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 18:14 GMT
#4645
Tick tock
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 18:27 GMT
#4648
I have rng'd, interesting result!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 19:46 GMT
#4690
Rng'd myself as check thanks bh!

If i die kill steve, if geript hasn't shot and claims rb kill geript because no way he gets rb'd over me
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 19:49 GMT
#4694
Nop
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 19:50 GMT
#4695
Steve claimed he saving me so if i die he lied. No way geript would get rb'd over me so obvious lynch.

Rng is a bitch. Wonder what check I'll get back
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 19:55 GMT
#4705
.... I just put my faith in the rng.
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 19:58 GMT
#4713
Lynch thrawn when I'm gone he's only posting to survive!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 19:59 GMT
#4715
What if geript shot Steveling but didn't claim cz he was vet and he didn't realise it showed elements!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:03 GMT
#4725
I checked marv (((

##vote geript
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:03 GMT
#4727
On May 27 2014 05:01 Cavalinho wrote:
Fire KP is gone/was blocked.

Mercury still isn't killing people.

Jupiter killed ritoky.

Venus killed marv.


I thought jupiter was electric?
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:10 GMT
#4735
no he really wouldn't he was doing shit all!!!
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:14 GMT
#4742
On May 27 2014 05:12 layabout wrote:
yeah there is absolutely nowhere in shoapi's posts that mention kill flavor is relevant it's a shaky and kinda pointless assumption you are making.

in fact:
Show nested quote +
Clues:
There are no clues.

now cut it out


so what do you think of the people assuming that wind is now jupiter after round 1 it was most likely electricity? tmi?
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:17 GMT
#4751
((
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:21 GMT
#4755
On May 27 2014 05:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
Fuck, major screw-up done by me. Game has to end in tie. Can you stop posting for a sec, until I sort out the end?


:'(


shhhhh guys
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:22 GMT
#4758
le sigh
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:29 GMT
#4791
On May 27 2014 05:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Told you guys HF was scum.

On May 27 2014 05:25 Steveling wrote:
HF
BOW TO ME SON!
BOW TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


in this game I was on my own and so I had no subconscious mindset to post like scum so for all intensive purposes I was posting like I would as town, so regardless of if you thought I was scum or not you were both wrong
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:31 GMT
#4803
On May 27 2014 05:30 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
On May 27 2014 05:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Told you guys HF was scum.

On May 27 2014 05:25 Steveling wrote:
HF
BOW TO ME SON!
BOW TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


in this game I was on my own and so I had no subconscious mindset to post like scum so for all intensive purposes I was posting like I would as town, so regardless of if you thought I was scum or not you were both wrong


Mby but I was onto you after your night action.
See my edited post last page.


marv was a good check, bk kill pointed towards him etc, he was being lazy marv and wasn't dead n1 and was likely to be recruited so best check/recruit
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:32 GMT
#4806
yeh don't think recruiter should get replaced if they die
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:48 GMT
#4832
i dunno maybe if you had a faction that could win with town, 1 actual scum faction that couldn't recruit and a 3p faction it might have gone better and some town roles
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:49 GMT
#4836
it was only meh because people couldn't properly find scum if there weren't any scum so i think an non-recruit scum faction might balance things up a lot more

otherwise i enjoyed being a faction
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:50 GMT
#4838
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Holyflare
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May 26 2014 20:52 GMT
#4841
On May 27 2014 05:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also gah I knew HF was scrum from the way he reacted, I just let BH's asshattery distract me.


but i technically wasn't scum :o?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:07 GMT
#4862
On May 27 2014 06:07 layabout wrote:
I don't want to write an(other) essay about the rate of posting and the absurd amount of it that was irrelevant but has this forum really changed so much that big games are like this now?


there's nothing else to do when there's 0 scum to find
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:18 GMT
#4872
large themed games are pretty fun and always unbalanced but still fun
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:18 GMT
#4874
On May 27 2014 06:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
Maybe after some time away I will try another large themed game. Probably without any recruiters

I do worry though that large games just do not start anymore as Crossfire99 said.


not with invitation pro koshi at your service!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:40 GMT
#4877
On May 27 2014 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:15 Steveling wrote:
Can we agree that my fake claim bait was awesome. xD


Haha yeah, that worked out pretty well. Actually the only "power role" that did anything for town all game >.>


hey i killed mafia for you
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 02:36 GMT
#4909
On May 27 2014 11:35 austinmcc wrote:
Poofter's QT got some nasty anti-ABBA bias.

And HF, this here's 'murica. In 'murica, ABBA recruits you. I dunno what kind of Soviet mafia you think you're playing where you can just go around recruiting me and my love for ABBA all willy-nilly.


I couldn't recruit you so i killed you
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