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jampidampi
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27ninjabunnies
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On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote: Two things: @ Holyflare Why are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt? @ Everyone Let's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote: 9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote: i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote: It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote: I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote: Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote: If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: Early scum read on valenius. Fine fine.Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote: Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650 This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote ##Vote mtanburini swaps to mtam early early, but not because valenius is no longer scummy. As best we know, valenius is still a scum read, he "can wait", not "i'm not scummy on him anymore." On May 21 2014 12:34 Hapahauli wrote: indicates concern over valenius##Foolishness Read: 27ninjabunnies, Yell0w, mtamburini, Valenius On May 22 2014 07:02 Hapahauli wrote: Ritoky/Valenius I've seen these two mentioned as possible scum candidates. Austin's case on Ritoky is somewhat compelling, however I don't think it takes into account the sheer difference between a mini-newbie game and a 32-person monster-spamfest. The wishy-washiness to me could be explained by how intimidating/confusing this thread is to a newer player. Hell I'm having problems keeping track of this myself, and I'm considered a "vet." All and all, I agree that they're playing differently than their town metas have shown in the past, but I think that it could be explained by the difference in gametypes. valenius is NOT PLAYING TO HIS TOWN META. Howeever, this "could be explained by the difference in gametypes." He's been scummy on valenius all day, for his play this game. Now valenius SHOULD be scummy for THIS GAME AND he doesn't match his town meta. Great. Hapa should be concluding dude is super scummy. What's hapa's conclusion? "it could be explained by the difference in gametypes". Note that he's NOT just saying this about ritoky, he's now expanding that comment to a guy he's been scummy on all day and has presented nothing townie about. Hapa unvotes mtam late-ish into the day, as things are starting to coalesce around mtam / valenius, and right before the OOP thing picks up (i think). On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote: When OnceKing brings up lynching valenius maybe, hapa drops this. I personally would THINK there would be some oomph from hapa, some agreement, because again...valenius has been scummy all day for his play this game AND his meta doesn't match, although that MIGHT be explainable.Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote: Boom. Now that onceking drops some posts on him, hapa picks this back up. In my head, hapa should have been on this the whole time.Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh. On May 23 2014 02:10 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah xat, you're right. Valenius is scummy. It could be that he's new and it's the transition thing still.Yeah it's the seeming lack of interest and reluctance to contribute that does it for me. It's possible he's just some newbie with an extreme lack of self-confidence, but it's the apathy for analysis that makes it more likely for him to be scum IMO. On May 23 2014 02:23 Hapahauli wrote: Valenius is the best option for today.Alright I'll be driving for the rest of today. I might be able to make a vote post on the road somewhere, but other than that, I'm pretty much done with posting/analysis until after the lynch deadline. I think Valenius is our best option for today. Tambo's recent activity makes me far more hesitant about him. I can't say for sure if he's town, but he's atleast null, and there are better targets out there for today. OKAY NOW IT IS TIME FOR VOTING/LATE STUFF On May 23 2014 02:57 Valenius wrote: Valenius to thread at this time.How long till deadline, vote count isnt showing it for me in mobile browser? On a train for next 20 mins with shit reception :tunnels: OK, youre better than this. Go back to being the long thought out case guy instead of 'hes shit so hes scum' I made that point in one of my first posts, I suck at day1. On May 23 2014 03:02 Hapahauli wrote: 5 minutes later, Hapa is on val and MIGHT switch to OOP after saying nothing about OOP all day AND calling valenius scummy or maybe scummy all day (never townie). This is dependant on what, class? On what val comes up with in the next few hours.I'll consider switching to Odin depending on what Valenius comes up with in the next few hours. Can't do much on my phone, but I can and will be reading. On May 23 2014 03:39 Hapahauli wrote: At this time, 37 minutes later, Hapa votes OOP. Good. So what did Val come up with?##Unvote ##Vote: OdinofPergo On May 23 2014 03:31 Valenius wrote: This was val's only post in the meantime. Essentially, "I didn't have fun trying to look townie, so I'm not putting in much effort this time around."I've said that the previous newbie games have stressed me out. I tried as hard as I could to look townie, including tunneling people just because I had one vote on me in day1. The game wasn't fun for me like that, so i'm not putting that level of effort in. I've had terrible reads on both day 1's ive played, and I don't have any better ones this game. Gonna go read BH's case now. That is ALL that Val posted between Hapa "wanting to see what he came up with" and changing his vote. Valenius has been a scumread of Hapa's all day (or a not-town person, which is...more or less the same). His play is unlike his newbie, where he was town. And Hapa was waiting to see what he posted, which was just the above. Hapa's conclusion is to change his vote to OOP, never commenting on anything about OOP really. Okay great, so here are the bullet points if all that is too long:
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No bueno. THEN THEN THEN After the lynch, here's Hapa on Valenius... From the lynch until now Hapahauli wrote: austinmcc had to fill this space with words because hapa didn't write nothing about valenius He wants to look at buildup to the lynch. Yellow is maybe odd, Slam is maybe odd, Cav looks interesting, Tambo looks interesting. He saw that people were suspicious of his actions during the lynch. He talks with Geript about BH's push on Odin (momentarily, not really "talks"). He saw marv/kita/BH on the OOP lynch. He's interested in slam's OOP vote. Notice ALL of things have something in common. They say nothing nothing nothing about Valenius. Valenius, btw, jumped on the OOP wagon late. What did he have to say about BH's case and his OOP vote? On May 23 2014 03:55 Valenius wrote: Yeah, that's a reasonable case. Votes going on Odin in a bit unless i find anything in the filter of one/two others first. On May 23 2014 04:21 Valenius wrote: If you can't fill in the blanks, Valenius has a late vote on OOP without mentioning him beforehand, without saying ANYTHING other than he just likes BH's case. But despite hapa thinking Valenius was scum or possible scum ALL DAY, hapa unvotes Valenius for an unknown reason to vote OOP, and then after the lynch seems to ignore Valenius ENTIRELY, despite the fact that his earlier scumread is fitting this pattern that he's looking at for scum (but he only notices non-valenius people like slam and whatnot)My comment there was more referring to my own original™ reads. BH's case on Odin is still where my vote is. EXTRA TL;DR Hapa finds valenius scummy Never finds him town Might be able to explain scumminess because of newbie --> large game jump Never finds him town Swaps off mtam late back to valenius because of a OnceKing post or two Says he might swap to OOP depending on what Valenius posts Valenius posts essentially nothing but saying he'll look at BH case Hapa swaps vote to OOP without Valenius posting more After lynch, Hapa is looking at the votes and whatnot for analysis He does not pick out valenius as an early questionable person Valenius super duper sheeped the BH case late late late in the day Hapa does not appear to notice this, despite looking at slam for no real reason to vote OOP This makes it appear that Hapa doesn't actually have a real read on Valenius, because his read/vote never develop in the right way. People who don't have real reads are making them up. Making reads up is bad and a mafia thing. | ||
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Steveling
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
Steveling is probably town, albeit his opening was really scummy. His vote analysis was enough to warrant calling him town. Mtam is getting shot tonight so I'm not worried about him at all. Marv's comment on pushing Odin was mega-scummy imo. Pushing people just because they can't defend themselves is bad for obvious reasons, and as one of the "vets" you think he would've known that. He was kind of laid back for most of day 1 so idk, I'll try reading into him later. | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
Side note though: I was alright for following the rng lynch earlier on, hence my "Same destination, just a different journey" after voting. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I still don't find Valenius town. My vote-switch at the end is entirely explained by my travel schedule and my lack of time to post anything of substance in the last minute scramble. I posted two of my last 3 posts from traffic, and my vote post from a rest-stop. I made the fact that I would be busier than normal this game both before the game and the lynch. I really don't know how I could make it any clearer than that. | ||
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geript
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jampidampi
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Hapahauli
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Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game. Instead, I tried to do something pro-town in what little time I had and help the consolidation onto another lynch. Am I happy with the way it turned out? Not really. I should have taken far more time to read BH"s post, instead of reading it once quickly, seeing a bunch of vote swaps, and going with the flow. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Difference is that I accounted his behavior on his excuse of travel which he explained early in the game, you didn't. If he relies on this excuse as scum I'll say very mean things to him post-game but I won't call him out for this now. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I'm worried about that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. Scummarv is sometimes particularly lazy. The only time I've seen someone really drop a multi-post big, fat, well-reasoned case on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man (don't remember game, was a mini, i think keirathi and hapa were in it and were the ones making the case?), it was about how that elderly heterosexual peruvian man gets really lazy after he plays scum a couple times in a row recently. Also, in general, scum that elderly heterosexual peruvian man is less posty and less helpful than town. Here, we have that elderly heterosexual peruvian man being decently not posty, just kind of piddling around in thread sometimes. He's being lazy and it's not good. Not DEFINITIVE mafia, but it's a negative overall. He's also not fully committing to either joining in when people are being dicks and spamming and whatnot (which i think SOMETIMES marv can do, see comments about offering blowjobs and whatnot). Nor is he committing to STOPPING people from messing up the thread. Nor is he committed to ... much at all. He is NOT 100% connected to Hapa, I find it weird that he won't talk about hapa to me, but ... oh well. Anyway, suspicious of that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. mtam still suspicious. The behavior doesn't fit mafia OR town to me, like...who returns from being nearly lynched and basically thumbs his nose at the thread, then leaves again. Nobody. Overall though, his reaction to the lynch was no bueno. He's ANGRY that people would lynch him the moment he gets back, kinda ANGRY about having to catch up on so many pages. But he basically does NOTHING except flick off the thread for the rest of the day and then the night. Not the right response, imo, of someone trying to solve game/put pieces together. Yes, it's not a perfect fit as "this is exactly what scum would do!", but it's WRONG and the mindset behind it reads not townie. When offered a bridge, he doesn't really take it, doesn't start playing, doesn't ask me to read anyone. I think he's a candidate tomorrow but NOT the guaranteed lynch. Scum should be yelling at him, telling him to dig himself out of his hole, and instead he just digs deeper. So...don't sleep on him being town, get him playing, get him posting, read him. Easiest thing in the world for mafia to just say he's being an ass and not acting townie, but his actions don't fit SCUM 100% either, and so more needs to be said/discussed. Don't like geript so far, but he's not a major candidate. He needs to STOP this crap though, because he can actually play. Don't like Foolishness's long absences and his "I'm just not really gonna read the thread" bit. Really found that post of his on slam weird, but that doesn't MEAN anything, it's just weird. WHATEVER THAT'S KIND OF A SMALL LIST AND NOT AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE People I like: HolyFlare. Not 100% pushing game forward, but doing a good bit of it, making lists again and updating EVERYONE on the list (which reads like trying to solve the game). He also keeps popping in with things that I was thinking, or wanting to talk to people I wanted to talk to. Good good good. Townie townie. MZ. MZ's early game good. MZ's play this game feels unlike PYP: LoL. Overall I just like MZ's stuff this game. Valenius. I actually believe in the toilet read. Steveling. Needs to KNOCK IT OFF with all the spam and with interacting with Geript and BH. Please please. If you don't talk to them or interact with them, you will 100% not get killed and you can help. If you keep doing that crap, it makes thread hard to read AND makes you harder to read, so ... you shouldn't. Please please please? kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town. Smurf Hydra Guy - ALso not super active, but in a similar vein as HF, was thinking some things that I thought were good thinks. Also, the comment about me being paranoid and so wondering if the Foolishness hydra is REALLY Foolishness reads town to me. He's not pushing my alignment, he's just dropping this note that he thinks might be important. Although I don't think me being paranoid means anything, him dropping that little note is nice and it felt like he was actually trying to understand my alignment. I think I thought sqrt was town to for some strong-ish reason but I don't remember it. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
1) You gain credibility. 2) You eliminate enemy players/KP. What's not to like? Overall it was between Odin/mtamburini at the end at it would have been kind of pointless to keep your vote on Valenius. | ||
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OnceKing
United States939 Posts
On May 24 2014 04:21 Hapahauli wrote: (snip) Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game. (snip) On May 24 2014 04:12 austinmcc wrote: This makes it appear that Hapa doesn't actually have a real read on Valenius, because his read/vote never develop in the right way. People who don't have real reads are making them up. Making reads up is bad and a mafia thing. you're not addressing his case/premise he's suggesting that valenius is not actually a real scum read | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 24 2014 04:18 Valenius wrote: I know. But I had that all typed up and was trying to wait until the resolution deadline, and also I'm good at being pushy with scumreads. I saw what you wrote, think you're town right now, but I can add a shoulder behind the hapa-is-mafia-mobile to push it.Austin, I brought up my own reads on hapa for pretty much the first half of your post, coming to pretty much the same conclusions on him. Side note though: I was alright for following the rng lynch earlier on, hence my "Same destination, just a different journey" after voting. On May 24 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote: It's not just the absence or the swap in and of itself. And I fully believe that you've got travel going on.@ Austin I still don't find Valenius town. My vote-switch at the end is entirely explained by my travel schedule and my lack of time to post anything of substance in the last minute scramble. I posted two of my last 3 posts from traffic, and my vote post from a rest-stop. I made the fact that I would be busier than normal this game both before the game and the lynch. I really don't know how I could make it any clearer than that. It's more just...rather than saying "Gotta travel, dunno what happens", you said that AND "I'ma see what Valenius posts." The second makes the swap seem more like just a swap for no reason, rather than a time-crunch thing, because you WERE scummy on Valenius so it's not like you needed to get your vote off him, and he WAS a legit candidate at the time (i think, although he'd lost some votes) Even if there was travel and the vote and whatnot, your play AFTER the lynch doesn't match. You don't find him town, and he's one of the last voters on OOP, and he votes for NO REASON really except saying he likes the BH case. This is what you call Slam out on, but you don't seem to notice that this guy you've been scummy all day on did THE SAME THING. If you were really watching Valenius as possible scum, I would expect you to notice his late swap for no real reasons, and be on his case as much/more than Slam. On May 24 2014 04:21 Hapahauli wrote: Making up reads is a mafia thing. Town don't make up reads. Your Valenius stuff doesn't read like someone who legitimately has a suspicion and is watching that guy. I don't necessarily think your swap was pro-town (after all, you thought and think valenius is scum), but mainly I don't care as much about the swap as I do the progression of your thoughts on Valenius. They make it appear your read is made up.And furthermore, that case by you Austin really doesn't say much about me being mafia. Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game. Instead, I tried to do something pro-town in what little time I had and help the consolidation onto another lynch. Am I happy with the way it turned out? Not really. I should have taken far more time to read BH"s post, instead of reading it once quickly, seeing a bunch of vote swaps, and going with the flow. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On May 24 2014 04:28 OnceKing wrote: you're not addressing his case/premise he's suggesting that valenius is not actually a real scum read That also makes zero sense though. Why would I fake a scum-read in-thread as a faction hunting another faction? That makes all sorts of little sense, because I'd be wasting time doing something incredibly dangerous for no more town credit than building an actual case. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 24 2014 04:31 Hapahauli wrote: That also makes zero sense though. Why would I fake a scum-read in-thread as a faction hunting another faction? That makes all sorts of little sense, because I'd be wasting time doing something incredibly dangerous for no more town credit than building an actual case. So the premise of the case is, Hapa is Scum from faction A, and he has a legit scumread that someone is faction B? | ||
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Holyflare
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I also shot tambo. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Geript should do less of that crap too. If he doesn't, see above. BH should be left alone until he actually plays mafia. He could be town, he COULD be some small 3P faction and is just trying to look wacky enough that town won't lynch him (bolstered by claim) and that scum won't shoot him (not REALLY a threat, and a possible mislynch mebbe). Might make a good rolecop check if we have someone, because it's POSSIBLE he just has a sexy role and wants to survive and thinks this is the way to do it. Mainly though I just think we should all shun him and ignore everything he posts and see what happens, because interacting with him and talking about him don't really seem to be taking the thread anywhere. | ||
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