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This post was supposed to be a bit longer, but I'm running out of time until the deadline, and I need to talk to austin apparently.
Might be bombing more reads as I go through filters.
Yell0w
+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell.
Alakaslam
+ Show Spoiler +I put Alakaslam next because he's in an identical situation to Yell0w: voted to RNG lynch Odin and pretty much stuck with it.
The problem is, I can't read Alakaslam for shit and my mind melts when I read his filter. I'm biased to interpret everything he says as genuine, so yeah. I'd need some second opinions here.
Kushm4sta (Shoot him!)
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
to be fair i switched to odin purely for the lolz of bh retardation On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
i switched before bh made his shit case Posted after the lynch. People who vote for reasons *other* than lynching mafia are mafia themselves and should die. I really don't think this is simply kush being kush either. When he's town, he trolls the shit out of people but atleast has town objectives in his heart. There's also some weird stuff in his filter. When marv posts that "all vets who sheeped the Odin lynch are suspicious", Kush INSTANTLY re-activates and defends himself: On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town ... posting this, followed by two other posts (quoted above). He's just very angry this game in general. I don't get any sense of playful trolling that I've seen in other of Kush's less-active town games.
Valenius
+ Show Spoiler +I've said all that I need to about him really. There are several posts in my filter about him. tl;dr, he's shitposting and +1'ing people a lot. It feels like mafia having a hard time contributing. He has two analysis pieces, one that I covered earlier... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=118#2356... and another that's pretty simply an OMGUS case against me. He feels like mafia trying to hide. His contributions have been weak, and good portion of his filter are pointless one-liners. That being said, I think there are other priorities over him right now. It is possible that he's just a newbie with severe self-confidence issues, and I think I have stronger reads on Tambo, Yell0w, and kush.
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On May 24 2014 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:28 OnceKing wrote:On May 24 2014 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:
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Consider this: I am a factional player and I believe Valenius to be of another faction. Why would I not attempt to tunnel my top scumread to death and push my objective? Hell pushing Valenius would point MORE to be being mafia in this game.
(snip) On May 24 2014 04:12 austinmcc wrote:
This makes it appear that Hapa doesn't actually have a real read on Valenius, because his read/vote never develop in the right way. People who don't have real reads are making them up. Making reads up is bad and a mafia thing.
you're not addressing his case/premise he's suggesting that valenius is not actually a real scum read That also makes zero sense though. Why would I fake a scum-read in-thread as a faction hunting another faction? That makes all sorts of little sense, because I'd be wasting time doing something incredibly dangerous for no more town credit than building an actual case. Things that townies do:
Hunt scum
Be dumb
Spam
Claim dumb stuff
Shoot other townies with KP
Rest of a giant list
Things that townies just DO NOT DO:
Fabricate reads without having some kind of short/medium-term trap plan.
I would agree that scum can scumhunt this game and doesn't HAVE to be falsifying reads. That doesn't change the fact that if a read LOOKS falsified or IS falsified, then it is INCREDIBLY LIKELY to have come from mafia. Town DO NOT make up reads without a trap purpose, and you've exhibited no trap purpose at all. Whether it's the best mafia play ever is irrelevant, because it's NOT town play.
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On May 24 2014 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
Because hapa as 3p you wouldn't care who got lynched as long as someone that wasn't in your faction did as all deaths outside would further your win con.
I also shot tambo.
So this is an anti-town 3rd party case? Well w/e, I'll get to work on defending myself more I guess.
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It's not a fucking falsified read goddamnit. Just because I don't have time to post my justifications for a vote swap FROM FUCKING I-90 doesn't mean that I don't have justifications.
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On May 24 2014 04:38 Hapahauli wrote:
It's not a fucking falsified read goddamnit. Just because I don't have time to post my justifications for a vote swap FROM FUCKING I-90 doesn't mean that I don't have justifications.
Yeah but who cares. We didn't see any then.
If you post it now it's just an excuse and nothing more.
Just try to be active from now on.
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Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp?
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Not saying i agree or anything just that that could be a motive, lack of time/paying attention at deadline cz busy could be another.
Got my eye on you!
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Did that jampi guy rly appeared to leave that post and leave again? lmao
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Legit shot that jampi guys. If someone you know, has a gun. xD
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Yup, getting major vibes from lxiii where (thrawn or hopeless? Probs hopeless) made a post really similar to that for not lynching risen when he was mafia.
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On May 24 2014 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp?
So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today.
The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup.
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Well, I doubt mtamburini will be missed. I have a hard time believing he would act so suicidally as scum though. We'll see soon.
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It's not "The Swap."
It's the whole entire THING. He's mafia, you put him aside but he's still mafia, then he MIGHT be explained by the small --> large game jump (even though he's scummy this game AND doesn't match his newbie play). You pick him back up after dropping mtam, but only after OnceKing points him out.
(OH YEAH HEY THREAD I LIKED ONCEKING'S STUFF BEFORE LYNCH AND IT FELT LIKE HE WAS FINALLY GETTING ACTIVE AND TRYING TO GET A GOOD LYNCH AND SOLVE THE GAME AND I ALSO THINK HE'S PRETTY DARN TOWN)
But then he's dropped for OOP, despite being a scumread of yours all day and continuing to be a scumread. And when you go to look at votes and whatnot, you talk about kita/MZ/marv and slam and yellow but NOT valenius. In all honesty, the fact that Valenius just seems to slip your mind, despite being a big scumread, and despite doing basically what slam did, is the thing that MOST pushes in favor of this being all made up.
It's not the vote. It's more. And it's mainly, for me, the post-lynch response.
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On May 24 2014 04:42 austinmcc wrote:
It's not "The Swap."
It's the whole entire THING. He's mafia, you put him aside but he's still mafia, then he MIGHT be explained by the small --> large game jump (even though he's scummy this game AND doesn't match his newbie play). You pick him back up after dropping mtam, but only after OnceKing points him out.
(OH YEAH HEY THREAD I LIKED ONCEKING'S STUFF BEFORE LYNCH AND IT FELT LIKE HE WAS FINALLY GETTING ACTIVE AND TRYING TO GET A GOOD LYNCH AND SOLVE THE GAME AND I ALSO THINK HE'S PRETTY DARN TOWN)
But then he's dropped for OOP, despite being a scumread of yours all day and continuing to be a scumread. And when you go to look at votes and whatnot, you talk about kita/MZ/marv and slam and yellow but NOT valenius. In all honesty, the fact that Valenius just seems to slip your mind, despite being a big scumread, and despite doing basically what slam did, is the thing that MOST pushes in favor of this being all made up.
It's not the vote. It's more. And it's mainly, for me, the post-lynch response.
Ok can you clear up what you want to discuss with me right now? I can defend myself, or I can talk about scumreads. Which one do you want first, because it is insanely frustrating to have someone spam both in my face repeatedly for multiple pages without getting the chance to reply.
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Marv read = click filter, click all, ctrl+f scum and see how many times he's said it. Less than expected? then not town!
Legitimate.
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On May 24 2014 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp? So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today. The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup. Yeah, that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. No push.
Putting aside that we don't know the actual setup, how do you think multi-faction changes his behavior?
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On May 24 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
Marv read = click filter, click all, ctrl+f scum and see how many times he's said it. Less than expected? then not town!
Legitimate.
I like this.
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Post lynch Valenius - didn't mention him, because my thoughts are ALWAYS on the votes first and foremost post-lynch. I almost always mulligan my reads after Day 1 and start fresh. Bad concrete actions by players (i.e. votes) ALWAYS take precedence over Day 1 meta cases on players that could be lynchbait.
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Yeah yeah, sorry. We're both trying to reply to everything. Heck, you can choose.
I'm interested in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. Please. We can make this moniker catch on.
As far as defense, I'm mainly interested in post-lynch thoughts. Not the vote, not any of that, but mainly why he doesn't catch your eye like slam and co. do.
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On May 24 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:On May 24 2014 04:40 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, I'd be interested more in your thoughts on that elderly heterosexual peruvian man than on defense, just for the moment. We can also keep chatting about you, but i THINK you were in that game that I'm thinking off with marv and keirathi and folks where marv got caught?
He was afk for like half of D1, I think we lynched vaderseven D1, and he was part of like a 2-man scum team or something, him and maybe iamp? So you mean marv? I have my eye on him after reading the game again, mostly because I didn't see him push any objectives today. The problem is that I'm not sure that it's a scumtell in this setup. Yeah, that elderly heterosexual peruvian man. No push. Putting aside that we don't know the actual setup, how do you think multi-faction changes his behavior?
Peruvian man - because it's plausible that scum have objectives to push in the thread, which makes it strange to see someone not push said objectives. Maybe I'm being too closed minded about the setup possibilities, but that's where I stand.
Also, unless I'm 100% convinced that he's scum, I'm really reluctant to push him. A marv lynch in a 32 player game is the ultimate clusterfuck, and honestly I don't feel like I can read him accurately at this point during the game enough for it to be worth my sanity.
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