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On January 09 2014 00:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean, if townie posts would outweigh scummy ones probably ~90% of players would by default never be lynched. If you are so bad as scum you continuously make over 50% scummy posts of your total posts you should reconsider if mafia is the right game for you.
I also know for a fact hat's not how thrawn usually thinks, in fact i have never seen such a bad argument for answering a case from him. i dont see what your getting at i believe thrawn has played before and it seems like to me he was just confused about the case on me because one liners aren't a scum tell for me i like to have conversations thats how i play.
Did you even read my post? It wasn't about you because that was reasonable and after that i went to look at your past games and i know that's what you do as town.
I wanted your opinion on how thrawn didn't comment on stuff i thought was scummy from WoS but instead basically said "he has done more townie things so these scummy things do not matter".
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So you are saying we are totally lynching yamato so there is no need to discuss anyone else but when he comes back he'll prove his alignment. hmm..
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I need to remember this game the next time when i roll scum because i will have a foolproof defense against iamperfection and thrawn. 
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I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town.
##unvote
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You mean this?
On January 09 2014 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright gave Cheese a good readthrough as well as Artanis's problems with him---
To the thread: I ask you, do you really find the weak CC push onto Artanis on its own lynchworthy?
He said it was not a push but a converation starter - 10 pages into the game. That's all he has done, "started a conversation".
Cora is using sihtlogic and apparently will not stop using it and kush refuses to play the game.
Both will lose the game for the town regardless of their alignment. I am done with incredible stupidity in games.
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On January 09 2014 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to policy lynch. kushmasta or Corazon, i don't care which one. We lose the game if they live even if they are town.
##unvote no i think kush is town and tbh he's not annoying or disruptive or anything. half of the "anti town" shit he says I can see coming before you even poke at him... you guys make it so easy for him to troll you
It doesn't fukcing matter because he is essentially a +1 mafia vote because he bases his votes on bullshit because he does not even fucking know what's going on in the game at any point.
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On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe?
I don't know because he has not been here.
The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later.
I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts.
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On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe? I don't know because he has not been here. The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later. I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts. of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum
Both are equally bad.
One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it.
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On January 09 2014 03:24 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe? I don't know because he has not been here. The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later. I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts. of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum Both are equally bad. One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it. I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you.
I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change.
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On January 09 2014 03:30 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn why do i have to read the thread when i can just read some of your excellent posts instead and get summary + analysis
Because even if i am town that does not make me right. This is exactly what i am talking about. You are a +1 vote for me or for anyone who in your mind makes most sense. That's not how you play mafia and i am not here to lick your ass so that i get your vote and someone else does not.
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On January 09 2014 03:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 03:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 03:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 09 2014 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn since you're around what about gumshoe? I don't know because he has not been here. The difference is i expect gumshoe, fuba and CC to actually play mafia later. I don't expect kush and Cora play mafia, it's pretty self-evident from their posts. of the two of them which do you think is more likely to not play as town and scum Both are equally bad. One refuses to read the thread and the other one refuses to contribute and tells people to back off from any case before even reading it. I think the difference is that kush and I played in the same newbies and I have seen all of his bs through the past couple years, and I know that if he's town he can be harmless and even helpful as long as you don't bait him into trolling you. I am sure he can but he just refused to read the thread because "so many posts". That will not change. Ok so you're wanting to policy lynch two people. Surely it's helpful to have a conversation about their alignments?
Not really because you can't tell kush's alignment because he just +1's someone. Corazon makes zero sense in all of his posts, maybe he's more likely to be mafia. Either way the other one should be vigged.
##Vote: Corazon
I have a case on him already in thread.
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On January 08 2014 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 17:01 yamato77 wrote:
All this said, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about at least one read, because I really don't think all three of these players are mafia together. If I had to pick, I feel least confident about Cora because, well, he is really whiney this game and his town play isn't exactly a gold standard of excellence. The problem with Corazon is he uses arguments like "WBG is mafia because he refuses to play the game". First of all if he did read between the lines what WBG said there was: "I am pressuring yamato to contribute. This is also a message to every player in this game i want everyone to contribute. If you don't, you are scum, because there is no reason for a townie to talk and interact with people. My vote however does not mean i won't do shit, which i prove to you here Corazon, by asking you about your reads and stuff". Somehow Corazon twists this into "I have done much more than you so don't tell me i have not done shit - you are scum because you haven't done shit and you are not trying to play the game". Okay, i could see that coming from town Corazon, he could think so. But when i make a case on thrawn, he does not apparently even read the case (or if he does - he misrepresents it totally - which makes him scum). He calls the case OMGUS and the argument between me and thrawn a "shitstorm which will ruin the town". This is totally not the case. He shuts down a case based on incorrect things and stupid assumptions and refuses to contribute towards the case in itself. When asked to do so multiple times he still refuses to do so, but instead he calls thrawn town for other reasons (hint: that's an entirely incorrect way to play mafia and fucking scummy). Not only that, when i ask for his reasons for calling thrawn town (what Corazon sees as thrawn's contributions to scumhunting) he again refuses to answer and instead says he won't answer because of the pressure that's on him. Again, fucking scummy. TLDR; He (incorrectly) calls WBG mafia for not playing the game when in fact it's him who is not playing the game. He repeatedly refuses to explain his logic (which should be very easy thing to do for a town player) - something that is a foundation in proving your own towniness and therefore reducing the suspect pool. In addition to that he shuts down cases with no reasoning which equals shutting down the discussion which equals not playing the game, which is a scumtell by his own definition. And that's my case on him.
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On January 09 2014 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I haven't read a single post cora has made because usually they're so hostile I don't even care
You will also get lynched if you do not start playing the game and keep on posting this useless crap.
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On January 09 2014 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:This is for rayn: + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2014 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum.
We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again.
As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day.
If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking. Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was. You are such a hypocrite. Do you know what you are doing here? No? You are doing exactly what I was doing in my little fight wit bugs. He voted Kush who was absent and did not want to go after and pressure or discuss anyone else and I tried to explain to him how it doesn't help and how we could still vote Kush later and kill him. Still you write this: On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though. Yeah... well how much did bugs contribute before I made him do it? Exactly. Funny how you call me dumb for getting him to do something but after our last game I won't consider this logic failures a scumtell for you. <3
There is a difference when you read between the lines. Not interested in explaining this further.
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On January 09 2014 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok look at kush.
Why is he being allowed to continue in this game?
I giggled.
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Corazon talks about some irrelevant misunderstanding and still refuses to tell me where thrawn's ultimate contributions to scumhunting were. Lynch with fire.
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On January 09 2014 04:04 Corazon wrote:
Hey Rayn. Stop lying. I answered Thrawn's question.
Hey Corazon. Stop lying. "There are better targets" =/= "thrawn has contributed towards scumhunting".
In fact it's an entirely different answer and avoiding the questiuon.
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Quote your post where you answer this:
On January 08 2014 13:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Corazon show me thrawn's contributions to scumhunting.
If you can do that i take my vote oof you.
If you can't my vote will stay and not move.
You have now flip-flopped around the question for a fucking day.
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Well then he is mafia because there is no reason to fake reads as town.
Fucking simple.
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At least for 24 hours. Reaction tests, joking and shit like that i can understand but not for A REAL LIFE DAY WHEN HE IS UNDER PRESSURE.
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