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On January 08 2014 13:38 Corazon wrote: All I saw was thrawn say he wanted you lynched, and then you voted him and made the case afterwards. That means that you were only attacking him because he attacked you. If you think this is the case you have clearly put no thought on my posts / thought process about thrawn. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon show me thrawn's contributions to scumhunting. You have two votes on you, that does not mean there is a "gun on your throat". There is ~24h left on D1. Can you just back up your statement and show thrawn's contributions to scumhunting. | ||
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If you refuse to answer me, you are doing the same thing you accuse WBG of being scum for, refusing to play the game. It's that simple, by your definition that makes you mafia. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon show me thrawn's contributions to scumhunting. This is the last time i ask about this. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: IIRC yamato did a similar thing the last game I played with him, Smurf Mini. Although I don't know if it was because he was scum or busy or what (I assume a combination of both) but he lurked to the point where he got replaced, then his replacement won the game for him and his team basically. (not like the replacement really did anything either, though). On day 1 we almost lynched him, but switched and lynched someone else who happened to also flip scum. We need to consolidate on yamato as long as he continues to be worthless. He's not completely useless as town and it's incredibly scummy for him to come back only when pressured simply to post one line and leave again. As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. I don't think this is a right way to go, because yamato already promised to contribute. When someone does that you leave them alone to make them feel comfortable (in case they are scum) and focus on other people. If yamato does not contribute, he claims scum and we can vote him at the end of the day. If we vote for yamato now, regardless of his alignment, noone else is pressured and while townies should not stop contributing even when there is a clear thread sentiment that's unfortunately not the general line of thinking. Placing votes on yamato will kill the discussion to some extent, people are more likely to contribute if they are under pressure. yamato was already under pressure and promised to contribute, that pressure has achieved what it's purpose was. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:25 Corazon wrote: Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2. ? | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:12 wherebugsgo wrote: Can you give me an example of where the bolded has ever worked? There have been tons of times where town has backed off upon the first hint of resistance. Yamato did something incredibly scummy-he reentered the thread and promptly disappeared. If he was town he'd be here arguing for his innocence and providing us with proper reads. It's much easier to read someone when they are actively present rather than afk. As at the very least a decent player yamato knows that. I've seen him play town myself. If he's not making sense or contributing to town he needs to die, and taking our votes off and moving them just because he gave us a promise is not a good way to ensure that we'll actually have the ability to kill him when the lynch deadline comes around. Okay so what do you expect the town gains if we all put our votes on yamato now? He has done what he has done, that does not change. some people find it scummy some people don't. That does not change regardless of how many votes are on him. However putting votes on him does not allow the town to pressure other people. I don't care if this has worked or not worked in other games because i can tell you for sure i will not forget arguments and people's promises and i sure as hell will confromt yamato when he comes back to the thread. Why this is incredibly scummy thinking is because of there are at least you and iamp in the game who are generally considered better players than me. Also yamato, Artanis, WoS, thrawn etc.. *Notice this is not supposed to be an insult to anyone and does not represent my thoughts because i obviously think i am the best mafia on the planet*. If i am generally not considered to be in top 2 of players in this game stating that i should be policy lynched on D3 if i am alive is a way of saying "i refuse to give my opinions on rayn and i will already set up an arbitary read on him regardless of what he does - a read that becomes "valid" at some point of the game". | ||
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TL Mafia LXII Noir where Cephiro was lynched because of this. Not on D2 when he was supposed to because someone fakeclaimed a doctor over the real doctor but the next day. Without the claim it would have happened, especially if i was not mafia and town-..- | ||
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Is there a reason you guys did not comment on my case on thrawn at all? While i changed my vote that does not mean the case becomes invalid. | ||
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Another question to you; Why don't you jsut go to my filter and check it? Why am i doing your work for you? | ||
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He attacked Cora (who is also one of your top scumreads) with the best argument the thread had seen at that time. | ||
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On January 07 2014 16:09 mkfuba07 wrote: My argument is the opposite. One would assume that cora actually perceived the shitflinging, or at least believes that we could interpret what he's said as shitflinging, but that's not at all a part of my opinion of him. My opinion involves him validating his accusation by comparing iamp's actions to a different scum player in a different game. Saying he's shitflinging and following it up by saying he seems scummy is fine. Saying it's scummy because this other scum did it in another game gives me the impression he finds his own argument weak. Like this is literally one of the towniest thought processes there are in thread and incredibly hard to fake as scum, especially considering we are talking about fuba here, who's not played scum much (maybe once or twice?). | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:50 WaveofShadow wrote: As for yours his explanation is a little convoluted but where you say it's only possible for scum to do what he did, I say it is entirely possible for town to lose thought processes/lie/have shitty explanations for things as well. If anything I'd be more inclined to know from thrawn why he felt the need to continually try to bait reactions in the first place? Okay so do you think it's reasonable to lose your train of thought in 14 minutes as thrawn is suggesting happened? Also do you buy his explanation of being too stoned and how does it make sense because before the argument yamato politely asked thrawn to not post if he does not have a clear head? | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Umm...I'm going to say yes with the caveats that a) I'm still too lazy to go back and check Les so if I'm wrong I willingly risk the tunnel-Rayn b) My sole mafia game is probably not a good indication of meta. But you just said you have never done so. I believe you that you have not done so in your town games as lying about it as mafia does not make sense if you have in fact done so as town. If you are however mafia and have done that as mafia before you might intentionally or sub-consiously repeat the behavior. | ||
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