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On January 08 2014 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:37 iamperfection wrote:On January 08 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:On January 08 2014 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
and corzan can you explain how bugs is scum when he decided to go on a huge rant with everyone look at me attitude. Sure seems like to me a non scum thing to do. It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it. To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive. I'm sorry, what? Most of this shit is just blatantly wrong or misleading. On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? Yamato, please. I want to hear your thoughts on him. I'd lynch him atm actually. ##Vote: yamatoI'm used to WAY more effort from him on any given D1 at this point. Too much one-liner, too much shutting down of discussion and negativity---and while he's capable of this as town, he's also capable of better play and I don't mind punishing him. Seriously threatening him is also often a good way to get something good out of him one way or another; see LXIII or LXI for examples. Yamato LOVES being tha D1 lynch. why did you wait so long to do this considering you said the same thing yesterday but didn't bother to vote? 'Cause he still hasn't done dicks since, and like I said yesterday, if you were reading, one vote two hours into D1 does not a threat make. I fully support anyone who would like to join me on this wagon, btw. Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. While this is true, there are other, more important things that I think you might be missing. Do you actually think JAT is scum or would you say that his lack of reads is disconcerting? And if you had to name an alternative to yamato who would it be? It's in your best interest to be forthcoming with your reads, since your last few posts haven't looked so good if you are town. Uh....don't threaten me. I don't respond to threats. When exactly in this game have I been anything BUT forthcoming? Did I try to hold back my reads at any point? Because I sure as hell can't think of ANYONE who would do that, right? I've already said I'm not sure about JAT. I don't like his neutrality, I'd maybe lean slightly scum right now but I haven't had the chance to do a dive of a whole bunch of other people. Yall are too busy jumping down my throat right as I return to the thread so I haven't had time for much else.
Okay, fair enough.
I'm just saying that because I think the votes today are probably going to be split between you and yamato unless something changes pretty drastically. If you are town then it's obviously in your best interest to stay active and provide your reads. You've been doing that so far, I have no complaints on that front. It's just that a couple of your posts over the past page have been somewhat scummy. In overall context they're definitely not the worst, though. I'd have to agree that Yamato is a better choice than you for now, particularly since both kush and iamp sort of reflex voted you.
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On January 08 2014 10:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:41 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
why are you asking my permission to do things wos? you seem to want to be as wishy washy as possible what do you think of this? On January 08 2014 10:21 Corazon wrote:
Wait can someone explain to me why that post was scummy? I'm not too familiar on WoS' town play so I'm not sure what you two see in his post. On January 08 2014 10:23 Corazon wrote:
Wow WoS. That post looks really bad.
"I'm so townie Cora, obviously" LOL I DID notice that. Cora what turned the lightbulb on? On January 08 2014 10:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? I started the conversation with bugs you know... Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. Well, if I am not mistaken I was prodding bugs for reads at least as hard as the other way round. How come you paint the whole thing this one sided? I didn't; I was giving my read of you. I find your posting up until the reads you gave that WBG wrenched out of you forcefully neutral and unopinionated in a meaningful way. If you don't see the difference between yours and WBG's posting during that conversation than I don't believe there is more I can say on the matter. How convenient. The problem is you are trying to throw suspicion on me by saying bugs had to forcefully wrench reads out of me when it was exactly the same the other way round. He did not give any reads before that. How does that make any sense? Nope. Wrong. The way I see it, WBG reveals a great deal about himself in the way he defends his policy lynch and most importantly puts himself out there. Everything you had posted up until that point was simply an attack or criticism of somebody else. You know, I'll give you that you're right I suppose in that it is not a read in the proper sense but at least it allows the entire thread to attempt a read of him. His posts are not guarded, careful. Yours reek of it. Holy mother of shitlogic. WBG reveals a great deal of himself by talking about POLICY the whole time? Surely you can enlighten me why scum would not be able to comfortably talk about policy how much they want? Also he is clearly putting himself out there with this while I certainly don't do so by getting in a fight with him. Your posts reek of Sherlock...
He doesn't just [i]talk[/] about policy. He is throwing it left and right. As I said, it is entirely possible he is doing it as scum and the rage is faked, but if he's scum, to me it's for a different reason than why you are. Sorry JAT, call it shitlogic if you want but that's my stance on the matter. I see differences in your posting styles and your methods of attack even if the content may run similar at points.
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On January 08 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:41 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
why are you asking my permission to do things wos? you seem to want to be as wishy washy as possible what do you think of this? On January 08 2014 10:21 Corazon wrote:
Wait can someone explain to me why that post was scummy? I'm not too familiar on WoS' town play so I'm not sure what you two see in his post. On January 08 2014 10:23 Corazon wrote:
Wow WoS. That post looks really bad.
"I'm so townie Cora, obviously" LOL I DID notice that. Cora what turned the lightbulb on? On January 08 2014 10:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? I started the conversation with bugs you know... Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. Well, if I am not mistaken I was prodding bugs for reads at least as hard as the other way round. How come you paint the whole thing this one sided? I didn't; I was giving my read of you. I find your posting up until the reads you gave that WBG wrenched out of you forcefully neutral and unopinionated in a meaningful way. If you don't see the difference between yours and WBG's posting during that conversation than I don't believe there is more I can say on the matter. How convenient. The problem is you are trying to throw suspicion on me by saying bugs had to forcefully wrench reads out of me when it was exactly the same the other way round. He did not give any reads before that. How does that make any sense? Nope. Wrong. The way I see it, WBG reveals a great deal about himself in the way he defends his policy lynch and most importantly puts himself out there. Everything you had posted up until that point was simply an attack or criticism of somebody else. You know, I'll give you that you're right I suppose in that it is not a read in the proper sense but at least it allows the entire thread to attempt a read of him. His posts are not guarded, careful. Yours reek of it. And here's the thing about WBG. I'd call him town simply based on his lurker rage (because it is something I strongly can identify with throughout multiple games) but my issue there is I don't know bugs well. It is entirely possible that he's a clever duck and is jumping on the leftover rage bandwagon from the recent drama threads and is harnessing that in this game or some shit. I don't know how he TRULY feels, or what he is capable of as scum.
This post is better. I have the same problem.
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On January 08 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:48 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:41 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
why are you asking my permission to do things wos? you seem to want to be as wishy washy as possible what do you think of this? On January 08 2014 10:21 Corazon wrote:
Wait can someone explain to me why that post was scummy? I'm not too familiar on WoS' town play so I'm not sure what you two see in his post. On January 08 2014 10:23 Corazon wrote:
Wow WoS. That post looks really bad.
"I'm so townie Cora, obviously" LOL I DID notice that. Cora what turned the lightbulb on? On January 08 2014 10:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? I started the conversation with bugs you know... Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. Well, if I am not mistaken I was prodding bugs for reads at least as hard as the other way round. How come you paint the whole thing this one sided? I didn't; I was giving my read of you. I find your posting up until the reads you gave that WBG wrenched out of you forcefully neutral and unopinionated in a meaningful way. If you don't see the difference between yours and WBG's posting during that conversation than I don't believe there is more I can say on the matter. How convenient. The problem is you are trying to throw suspicion on me by saying bugs had to forcefully wrench reads out of me when it was exactly the same the other way round. He did not give any reads before that. How does that make any sense? Nope. Wrong. The way I see it, WBG reveals a great deal about himself in the way he defends his policy lynch and most importantly puts himself out there. Everything you had posted up until that point was simply an attack or criticism of somebody else. You know, I'll give you that you're right I suppose in that it is not a read in the proper sense but at least it allows the entire thread to attempt a read of him. His posts are not guarded, careful. Yours reek of it. Holy mother of shitlogic. WBG reveals a great deal of himself by talking about POLICY the whole time? Surely you can enlighten me why scum would not be able to comfortably talk about policy how much they want? Also he is clearly putting himself out there with this while I certainly don't do so by getting in a fight with him. Your posts reek of Sherlock... He doesn't just [i]talk[/] about policy. He is throwing it left and right. As I said, it is entirely possible he is doing it as scum and the rage is faked, but if he's scum, to me it's for a different reason than why you are. Sorry JAT, call it shitlogic if you want but that's my stance on the matter. I see differences in your posting styles and your methods of attack even if the content may run similar at points.
Well, you played with me before. You should know that this is how I play.
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On January 08 2014 10:46 iamperfection wrote:
ill be back in an hour or so.
when you're back I'd love to hear a yamato/WoS comparison.
I prefer yamato right now over WoS. Do you think a scum WoS would be this active in clarifying his thoughts on different players? What experience do you have with WoS?
I think I played with WoS once but my last game was like 8-9 months ago. It'd be nice if people can point me to instances of his meta where he does or does not do what he is doing now. I'm going to look into it myself but obviously it's easier with other people who already have that experience at hand.
Lastly, I'd also like to hear what you think of Corazon. My initial impression was simply that he's bad. I seem to recall reading his posts in another game when I was lurking the forum and I think I got a similar impression then. However he keeps saying things that are blatantly untrue. Have you seen him play scum before? What does his town play look like?
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On January 08 2014 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:37 iamperfection wrote:On January 08 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:On January 08 2014 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
and corzan can you explain how bugs is scum when he decided to go on a huge rant with everyone look at me attitude. Sure seems like to me a non scum thing to do. It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it. To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive. I'm sorry, what? Most of this shit is just blatantly wrong or misleading. On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? Yamato, please. I want to hear your thoughts on him. I'd lynch him atm actually. ##Vote: yamatoI'm used to WAY more effort from him on any given D1 at this point. Too much one-liner, too much shutting down of discussion and negativity---and while he's capable of this as town, he's also capable of better play and I don't mind punishing him. Seriously threatening him is also often a good way to get something good out of him one way or another; see LXIII or LXI for examples. Yamato LOVES being tha D1 lynch. why did you wait so long to do this considering you said the same thing yesterday but didn't bother to vote? 'Cause he still hasn't done dicks since, and like I said yesterday, if you were reading, one vote two hours into D1 does not a threat make. I fully support anyone who would like to join me on this wagon, btw. On January 08 2014 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. While this is true, there are other, more important things that I think you might be missing. Do you actually think JAT is scum or would you say that his lack of reads is disconcerting? And if you had to name an alternative to yamato who would it be? It's in your best interest to be forthcoming with your reads, since your last few posts haven't looked so good if you are town. Uh....don't threaten me. I don't respond to threats. When exactly in this game have I been anything BUT forthcoming? Did I try to hold back my reads at any point? Because I sure as hell can't think of ANYONE who would do that, right? I've already said I'm not sure about JAT. I don't like his neutrality, I'd maybe lean slightly scum right now but I haven't had the chance to do a dive of a whole bunch of other people. Yall are too busy jumping down my throat right as I return to the thread so I haven't had time for much else. Okay, fair enough. I'm just saying that because I think the votes today are probably going to be split between you and yamato unless something changes pretty drastically. If you are town then it's obviously in your best interest to stay active and provide your reads. You've been doing that so far, I have no complaints on that front. It's just that a couple of your posts over the past page have been somewhat scummy. In overall context they're definitely not the worst, though. I'd have to agree that Yamato is a better choice than you for now, particularly since both kush and iamp sort of reflex voted you.
Kush is...well kush, and as he has made people aware of already in this game, he plays just to annoy and troll people, and he thinks that voting me/getting me lynched at this point will make me mad, just as he thought provoking you would be fun.
On January 08 2014 09:06 kushm4sta wrote:
k now this is starting to get fun for me because apparently im pissing you off.
i posted "so whos scummy" because i was curious about who was scummy obviously. in fact all of my posts had a reason.
I was telling you my thoughts about the game. If you dont think they are sufficient then say that, but there is no excuse to call me a fuck, to call me cancerous. sir that play is illegal and it would bring me great pleasure if you were modkilled.
He pulls this 'asking for modkills' shit every game afaik....his play is just so ridiculous and yet there are some people who continue to praise it....
As for iamp, he's a solid player and I expect him to come around at some point. The reflex vote...meh it's still early, though that does remind me I did want to look into him.
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On January 08 2014 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote:when you're back I'd love to hear a yamato/WoS comparison. I prefer yamato right now over WoS. Do you think a scum WoS would be this active in clarifying his thoughts on different players? What experience do you have with WoS? I think I played with WoS once but my last game was like 8-9 months ago. It'd be nice if people can point me to instances of his meta where he does or does not do what he is doing now. I'm going to look into it myself but obviously it's easier with other people who already have that experience at hand. Lastly, I'd also like to hear what you think of Corazon. My initial impression was simply that he's bad. I seem to recall reading his posts in another game when I was lurking the forum and I think I got a similar impression then. However he keeps saying things that are blatantly untrue. Have you seen him play scum before? What does his town play look like?
If you are looking for a scumgame have a look at Titanic 1 (this abomination of a game). He is JackSparrow.
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Oh and another thing regarding kush:
I make this perfectly clear right now. For my own sanity and continued quality of contribution/play this game, I will be keeping interaction with kush to the absolute bare minimum necessary. Those who have any knowledge of me whatsoever should find this no surrpise.
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dude wos i have absolutely zero problem with you
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VOTECOUNT
Mr. Cheesecake (2) - gumshoe, Artanis[xp]
Raynepelikoneet (0) - Thrawn2112
Thrawn2112 (0) - Yamato77
WaveofShadow (2) - wherebugsgo, Thrawn2112, Kushm4sta, IamPerfection
yamato77 (1) - Corazon, IamPerfection, WaveofShadow
Kushm4sta (0) - wherebugsgo
wherebugsgo (1) - Kushm4sta, Corazon
Corazon (1) - wherebugsgo
Nobody (5) - Everybody else
Day One ends in
Hijole that was hard. Let me know if I have your vote wrong. As an aside, keep personal attacks OUT as much as possible.
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On January 08 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:48 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:41 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
why are you asking my permission to do things wos? you seem to want to be as wishy washy as possible what do you think of this? On January 08 2014 10:21 Corazon wrote:
Wait can someone explain to me why that post was scummy? I'm not too familiar on WoS' town play so I'm not sure what you two see in his post. On January 08 2014 10:23 Corazon wrote:
Wow WoS. That post looks really bad.
"I'm so townie Cora, obviously" LOL I DID notice that. Cora what turned the lightbulb on? On January 08 2014 10:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? I started the conversation with bugs you know... Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. Well, if I am not mistaken I was prodding bugs for reads at least as hard as the other way round. How come you paint the whole thing this one sided? I didn't; I was giving my read of you. I find your posting up until the reads you gave that WBG wrenched out of you forcefully neutral and unopinionated in a meaningful way. If you don't see the difference between yours and WBG's posting during that conversation than I don't believe there is more I can say on the matter. How convenient. The problem is you are trying to throw suspicion on me by saying bugs had to forcefully wrench reads out of me when it was exactly the same the other way round. He did not give any reads before that. How does that make any sense? Nope. Wrong. The way I see it, WBG reveals a great deal about himself in the way he defends his policy lynch and most importantly puts himself out there. Everything you had posted up until that point was simply an attack or criticism of somebody else. You know, I'll give you that you're right I suppose in that it is not a read in the proper sense but at least it allows the entire thread to attempt a read of him. His posts are not guarded, careful. Yours reek of it. Holy mother of shitlogic. WBG reveals a great deal of himself by talking about POLICY the whole time? Surely you can enlighten me why scum would not be able to comfortably talk about policy how much they want? Also he is clearly putting himself out there with this while I certainly don't do so by getting in a fight with him. Your posts reek of Sherlock... He doesn't just [i]talk[/] about policy. He is throwing it left and right. As I said, it is entirely possible he is doing it as scum and the rage is faked, but if he's scum, to me it's for a different reason than why you are. Sorry JAT, call it shitlogic if you want but that's my stance on the matter. I see differences in your posting styles and your methods of attack even if the content may run similar at points.
everyone has this problem with me, because I am "good" at scum.
If you read any of my past games (and you can take my word on it if you want to, though if you really wanted to be thorough you can actually go back and check) I rarely, if ever, take any suspicion on day 1 as scum. It's often to the point where not even a single person will vote me on day 1.
I am not afraid of pressure or anything like that as scum but I purposely make my scum play "townish" and I will throw in heaps of aggression or "unexpected" scum play just to throw people off, but I am very self conscious about how much pressure I am under and generally on day 1 I am under none as scum-I don't let it get there because I spend the time coordinating my team instead of posting lots.
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If you note I've played mafia 6 times. In minis, 3 times; in all of those minis I survived to at least lylo. I won two of them by living to endgame. In the third, I lived to lylo, finally got lynched and then our team lost because I was basically the only one playing (it was a hydra mini, 7 town hydras 2 mafia hydras, so 18 players total. Endgame was controversial because of the way the last lynch went.)
In the other three games, one was a game in which everyone was a vig. I got shot by a spam vigi in Responsibility on N2. In Arkham a 3P who had the ability to make himself look like anything made himself look like mafia. He then chose to shoot me N2 because I tried to get him lynched on D2, but it was highly unlikely that I ever would have been lynched that game based on how it was progressing. In Storm Mafia, similarly to Couples Therapy I was fairly safe until my teammate died d4, and then our entire team got lynched 4 days in a row.
I also played in a couple others that are not on this list, Space Station and (I think?) The Game. I was definitely mafia in SS mafia and I was never suspected d1 or ever, really. I was shot by a vig in the town circle after the rest of the players in the game had basically been confirmed to be town and my team had already been decimated.
Fact of the matter is that I take a shit ton more lynch attention as town/3p than scum. I really didn't get lynched as town all that often until my more recent games, though.
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Iamp:
So he was actually the first person to pick out yamato for the stuff I mentioned, real early too. Then even tosses a vote on him (before switching it and making me have a sad  ).
I see the targeting of yamato as one of two things:
- Either a scum Iamp who sees a yamato who has decided not to contribute a great deal or of any sort of real quality and an easy mislynch potential
- Town iamp
Problem is now, not the fact that he voted for me per se (since many of you found faults in my return, but whatevs), but more that word that was used 'reflex' vote. For whatever reason I am often viewed as an easy mislynch target D1 as well; the only person who has EVER succeeded in pushing it through on me was a town Rayn---and that's probably over at LEAST 7-8 attempts on a D1 mislynch that I've gotten out of. I am NOT an easy mislynch so the question then becomes does scum iamp know this or not, does he care, or is he town?
Honestly...I think I'd lean towards town here because I see similar thought process to mine (his technically came first), and is now caught up in what he believes to be a good potential scum target for my return posting
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On January 08 2014 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:37 iamperfection wrote:On January 08 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:On January 08 2014 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
and corzan can you explain how bugs is scum when he decided to go on a huge rant with everyone look at me attitude. Sure seems like to me a non scum thing to do. It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it. To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive. I'm sorry, what? Most of this shit is just blatantly wrong or misleading. On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? Yamato, please. I want to hear your thoughts on him. I'd lynch him atm actually. ##Vote: yamatoI'm used to WAY more effort from him on any given D1 at this point. Too much one-liner, too much shutting down of discussion and negativity---and while he's capable of this as town, he's also capable of better play and I don't mind punishing him. Seriously threatening him is also often a good way to get something good out of him one way or another; see LXIII or LXI for examples. Yamato LOVES being tha D1 lynch. why did you wait so long to do this considering you said the same thing yesterday but didn't bother to vote? 'Cause he still hasn't done dicks since, and like I said yesterday, if you were reading, one vote two hours into D1 does not a threat make. I fully support anyone who would like to join me on this wagon, btw. On January 08 2014 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. While this is true, there are other, more important things that I think you might be missing. Do you actually think JAT is scum or would you say that his lack of reads is disconcerting? And if you had to name an alternative to yamato who would it be? It's in your best interest to be forthcoming with your reads, since your last few posts haven't looked so good if you are town. Uh....don't threaten me. I don't respond to threats. When exactly in this game have I been anything BUT forthcoming? Did I try to hold back my reads at any point? Because I sure as hell can't think of ANYONE who would do that, right? I've already said I'm not sure about JAT. I don't like his neutrality, I'd maybe lean slightly scum right now but I haven't had the chance to do a dive of a whole bunch of other people. Yall are too busy jumping down my throat right as I return to the thread so I haven't had time for much else. Okay, fair enough. I'm just saying that because I think the votes today are probably going to be split between you and yamato unless something changes pretty drastically. If you are town then it's obviously in your best interest to stay active and provide your reads. You've been doing that so far, I have no complaints on that front. It's just that a couple of your posts over the past page have been somewhat scummy. In overall context they're definitely not the worst, though. I'd have to agree that Yamato is a better choice than you for now, particularly since both kush and iamp sort of reflex voted you. Kush is...well kush, and as he has made people aware of already in this game, he plays just to annoy and troll people, and he thinks that voting me/getting me lynched at this point will make me mad, just as he thought provoking you would be fun. Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 09:06 kushm4sta wrote:
k now this is starting to get fun for me because apparently im pissing you off.
i posted "so whos scummy" because i was curious about who was scummy obviously. in fact all of my posts had a reason.
I was telling you my thoughts about the game. If you dont think they are sufficient then say that, but there is no excuse to call me a fuck, to call me cancerous. sir that play is illegal and it would bring me great pleasure if you were modkilled. He pulls this 'asking for modkills' shit every game afaik....his play is just so ridiculous and yet there are some people who continue to praise it.... As for iamp, he's a solid player and I expect him to come around at some point. The reflex vote...meh it's still early, though that does remind me I did want to look into him.
I'm pretty aware that kush is one of the worst players on the forum. I had hoped that changed but it doesn't seem like it.
On January 08 2014 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Iamp: So he was actually the first person to pick out yamato for the stuff I mentioned, real early too. Then even tosses a vote on him (before switching it and making me have a sad ). I see the targeting of yamato as one of two things: - Either a scum Iamp who sees a yamato who has decided not to contribute a great deal or of any sort of real quality and an easy mislynch potential - Town iamp Problem is now, not the fact that he voted for me per se (since many of you found faults in my return, but whatevs), but more that word that was used 'reflex' vote. For whatever reason I am often viewed as an easy mislynch target D1 as well; the only person who has EVER succeeded in pushing it through on me was a town Rayn---and that's probably over at LEAST 7-8 attempts on a D1 mislynch that I've gotten out of. I am NOT an easy mislynch so the question then becomes does scum iamp know this or not, does he care, or is he town? Honestly...I think I'd lean towards town here because I see similar thought process to mine (his technically came first), and is now caught up in what he believes to be a good potential scum target for my return posting
I seriously doubt that he is scum based on his posting tone, but I agree that it is possible. Pretty much everyone in the game is up in the air for now because of how little most people have contributed.
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On January 08 2014 11:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:48 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:41 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 10:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 08 2014 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
why are you asking my permission to do things wos? you seem to want to be as wishy washy as possible what do you think of this? On January 08 2014 10:21 Corazon wrote:
Wait can someone explain to me why that post was scummy? I'm not too familiar on WoS' town play so I'm not sure what you two see in his post. On January 08 2014 10:23 Corazon wrote:
Wow WoS. That post looks really bad.
"I'm so townie Cora, obviously" LOL I DID notice that. Cora what turned the lightbulb on? On January 08 2014 10:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next? I started the conversation with bugs you know... Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet. Well, if I am not mistaken I was prodding bugs for reads at least as hard as the other way round. How come you paint the whole thing this one sided? I didn't; I was giving my read of you. I find your posting up until the reads you gave that WBG wrenched out of you forcefully neutral and unopinionated in a meaningful way. If you don't see the difference between yours and WBG's posting during that conversation than I don't believe there is more I can say on the matter. How convenient. The problem is you are trying to throw suspicion on me by saying bugs had to forcefully wrench reads out of me when it was exactly the same the other way round. He did not give any reads before that. How does that make any sense? Nope. Wrong. The way I see it, WBG reveals a great deal about himself in the way he defends his policy lynch and most importantly puts himself out there. Everything you had posted up until that point was simply an attack or criticism of somebody else. You know, I'll give you that you're right I suppose in that it is not a read in the proper sense but at least it allows the entire thread to attempt a read of him. His posts are not guarded, careful. Yours reek of it. Holy mother of shitlogic. WBG reveals a great deal of himself by talking about POLICY the whole time? Surely you can enlighten me why scum would not be able to comfortably talk about policy how much they want? Also he is clearly putting himself out there with this while I certainly don't do so by getting in a fight with him. Your posts reek of Sherlock... He doesn't just [i]talk[/] about policy. He is throwing it left and right. As I said, it is entirely possible he is doing it as scum and the rage is faked, but if he's scum, to me it's for a different reason than why you are. Sorry JAT, call it shitlogic if you want but that's my stance on the matter. I see differences in your posting styles and your methods of attack even if the content may run similar at points. everyone has this problem with me, because I am "good" at scum. If you read any of my past games (and you can take my word on it if you want to, though if you really wanted to be thorough you can actually go back and check) I rarely, if ever, take any suspicion on day 1 as scum. It's often to the point where not even a single person will vote me on day 1. I am not afraid of pressure or anything like that as scum but I purposely make my scum play "townish" and I will throw in heaps of aggression or "unexpected" scum play just to throw people off, but I am very self conscious about how much pressure I am under and generally on day 1 I am under none as scum-I don't let it get there because I spend the time coordinating my team instead of posting lots. + Show Spoiler [wherebugsgo] +If you note I've played mafia 6 times. In minis, 3 times; in all of those minis I survived to at least lylo. I won two of them by living to endgame. In the third, I lived to lylo, finally got lynched and then our team lost because I was basically the only one playing (it was a hydra mini, 7 town hydras 2 mafia hydras, so 18 players total. Endgame was controversial because of the way the last lynch went.) In the other three games, one was a game in which everyone was a vig. I got shot by a spam vigi in Responsibility on N2. In Arkham a 3P who had the ability to make himself look like anything made himself look like mafia. He then chose to shoot me N2 because I tried to get him lynched on D2, but it was highly unlikely that I ever would have been lynched that game based on how it was progressing. In Storm Mafia, similarly to Couples Therapy I was fairly safe until my teammate died d4, and then our entire team got lynched 4 days in a row. I also played in a couple others that are not on this list, Space Station and (I think?) The Game. I was definitely mafia in SS mafia and I was never suspected d1 or ever, really. I was shot by a vig in the town circle after the rest of the players in the game had basically been confirmed to be town and my team had already been decimated. Fact of the matter is that I take a shit ton more lynch attention as town/3p than scum. I really didn't get lynched as town all that often until my more recent games, though.
I am doing my best to not form suspicions/opinions primarily based on meta. All I'm saying with that post you quoted is that it is possible you are doing what you're doing as scum, which you yourself agreed with I believe. Now, you say you tend not to garner much suspicion on D1 when you play scum, but I would argue those games were a LONG time ago, and with an entirely different breed of player (as so many on TL Mafia would have us believe  ). You don't have any idea that players here woudl treat you the same way or not, and I have no idea if you're playing differently to those games or not (and I'm really not about to go filtering a whole bunch of past games like that. I'm not very good at it nor do I really want to tbh) I really can't take this defense-ish post of yours into consideration, but I appreciate the explanation, however unwarranted it may be at the current time.
For now I go yamato.
Rayn where you at?
Wanna join me on this?
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Bugs what do you make of Cheese v Artanis that everybody seemed to want to comment on a while ago?
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wave didnt run away and is at least posting thoughts so lets kill yamato
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i think kush is town by the way since he had the same thoughts on wos that i did on that return post.
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On January 08 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bugs what do you make of Cheese v Artanis that everybody seemed to want to comment on a while ago?
seemed to me like Artanis had a natural focus on Cheesecake (sort of how i have a natural focus on Corazon) simply because they were interacting. I could sort of follow the conversation from both perspectives; i.e. if you were to pretend to be town Artanis or town Cheesecake, do you think their actions make sense? For the most part they seem to make sense.
I haven't read into Cheesecake too heavily, but as far as Artanis goes the major thing that concerns me is his lack of presence today. It probably doesn't mean anything, but if he's still not present tomorrow I'd be worried. His posting tone so far seems fine to me. Another thing is that he sort of deflected giving an opinion on Yamato (IIRC he said something about not having played with scum yamato in a long time) and a bit more minor is that I don't really agree with his opinions, but I think they can reasonably be justified from his perspective.
Sadly it's a "let's wait and see" on him, Cheese, yamato...basically everyone in the filter list that is not a townread to me for now. I would rank yamato at the top of the scum list, though.
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On January 08 2014 11:35 iamperfection wrote:
wave didnt run away and is at least posting thoughts so lets kill yamato
## Unvote
##vote yamato
Cora, on the other hand, did (and really didn't post much of anything while he was here anyway).
I'm interested to see what happens if I switch as well. WoS will probably switch too, so yamato will have some pretty serious momentum before anyone else arrives back in the thread.
##unvote
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I would kill artanis/corazon/rayn/yamato
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