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On January 22 2014 07:40 marvellosity wrote: Not more than most of the game. I didn't love his continued hammering on foolishness when nothing really new was entering the thread, but I really do actually like that post on HolyFlare. Do you think gonzaw is suspicious at the moment austin? Apparently people who bring up HolyFlare out of the blue = people who get less suspicious to austin. | ||
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On January 22 2014 07:55 marvellosity wrote: gonzaw was On January 22 2014 07:57 marvellosity wrote: snicker | ||
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On January 22 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote: Let your freak flag fly, sir. If tentacles are your thing, so be it.austin. ... | ||
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On January 22 2014 08:26 gonzaw wrote: Dunno right now. Usually pretty late to make up my mind and not a big vote swapper.austin, marv, who do you want to lynch this D1 right now? Or maybe you don't have enough info to decide that yet? | ||
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On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote: Anything in particular that sandro posted within the last little bit to have you move him up this way? A lot of your other reads are spelled out, sandro and I are lumped together.Questionable players Austin sandroba marvellosity Holyflare Gonzaw This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen. | ||
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Gonzaw, I don't think we can be sure what nobody defending HolyFlare means, but I think in the bigger context of this game, we can't get too much from that. Nobody is defending Foolishness either (I might, yeah, think I will), nobody really popped up to defend WoS or Prome while they were getting more attention, and for the most part it's people dropping off "x is scummy" after they've posted more, not actively pushing "WoS or Prome super town." Just not a ton of defending this game in general, imo. Gonzaw, 2 question to start off since you're active right now. On January 23 2014 03:10 gonzaw wrote: You keep poking at Foolishness's past games. Do these things, dinky votes, horrible entrances, pointless posts, fit with scum Foolish? Also, honest question, if someone did these things vs did NOTHING, no votes, no real posts to be scummy or townie, etc, which player would you find scummier?You know, I'm kind of serious with this Foolishness stuff. Does any one of you have anything to say about him? Basically: 1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK 2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar 3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now? 4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:15 gonzaw wrote: Not pointless. You want to lynch Foolishness, either a bunch or to a decent degree.austin, it's not time for you to make pointless questions to me + Show Spoiler + really? Why would I explicitly make that meta case against him, and explicitely MENTION THE POSTS THEMSELVES, if I didn't think the "scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads" makes him scum Foo? Have you read my posts at all? You've been waffling around ever since I remember austin. I'm not comfortable with that. You've got some problems with his play. Looking at Parallel Worlds, i do not see the same stuff there as here. scumFoolishness there wasn't trolly, dropping dumb votes, etc. At the very least, I take issue with 1 and 4 above in your summary of bad things about Foolishness. 3 is a perfectly legitimate question for anyone who was townie on Foolishness because of his reads in particular. I don't want to lynch Foolishness today. The second question is REAL, because I'm looking elsewhere, and I want to talk. This will go somewhere. If nothing else, I'm here and posting and you want that so please answer and let's chat. | ||
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Small game, not overly themed. You were shot N1 by Sandroba in the game. Scum team was Sandroba/ShiaoPi/?. I was a watcher, watched you N1, saw Sandroba shoot you. On D2 I tried to buddy up to Sandroba rather than dunk him as mafia. This caused some problems later on in the game for me. Name that game! On January 23 2014 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote: LET US BEGIN TO CHAT! YES? (I will have to pause shortly for an interview thing, but oh well)Yup. What's cookin'? Random unrelated thoughts: I'm bothered by the fact that I'm not bothered by marv this game. Every game I've ever played with him he's been town and I often don't trust him for a while before he calls me dumb and then I do, but this game it hasn't happened. Can't tell if it's because marv is lurkier and done less than usual and/or because he has no need to 'take over' in a game like this with multiple people who can lead. Regarding the Holy replacement: I REALLY WISH people would not talk about being replaced in thread---it essentially artificially makes us give up what may or may not be a valid lynch target today and messes with the game. Anything OVERTLY scummy from marv, or just the general worry? I don't share your worry about Foolishness right now, but I do about Sandroba. Working on that, because there are very few scumgames but the town filters I'm reading are much more involved, except generally more involved as far as planning and policy and whatnot is concerned, less him being very involved in reads and discussion (so not perfectly applicable to this game). The only worry I have on Foolishness is his putting Sandroba up at townie-neutral for getting active, when Sandroba was really just posting on one subject and it wasn't a boatload of new thoughts/info. Anyway, you should also ask me some questions. I know I only have the one about marv here right now, but poke me! | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:26 gonzaw wrote: No no, I want you to answer "Yeah, doing nothing totally scummy" and then maybe look at Sandro for me, despite you were worried about people swinging votes elsewhere.That post of his is really bad. Total waffle fluff about Holy and WOS, then a completely pointless question. Like really pointless: Don't see how me answering this question at this point has any bearing at all with what's going on, and more importantly with what that post he quoted. It's like a fluff question Hapa or WOS would make early D1, not a question you'd make very late D1 when you have so much other stuff to choose from (you can filter dive me to get info if you want), and there is basically no lynch set in stone. It's some speculative question that doesn't do anything. You want me to answer "Oh, if Hapa did NOTHING, made no votes, no real posts to be scummy or townie, yes he'd be scummier!"? What will you do with that answer? This proves you haven't been reading the thread at all then? This is literally answered in that huge post I made 20 hours ago. I also don't remember him taking a stance on anybody. I think he FoSed Prome? He FoSed Holy at some point, or he agreed with Hapa's post or something. It's a fine question for a time where "nothing is set in stone" if I don't like lynching Foolishness, am unsure what to do with Holy replacing, am cool with WoS after checking his filter, am still pretty cool on Kita, and haven't fully analyzed Prome hard. Marv is somewhat creepy but not the lynch, blah blah. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:30 gonzaw wrote: I wasn't around for Liar Game. I was around for scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds. There I see more real posts, much less trolly stuff, from Scum Foolishness, before pressure really on him and after. People are also drawing on Parallel Worlds for the "Big Post" thing, because Foolishness made a big "direct-the-thread" post there once under pressure, similar to his post here, and what I believe he did in AFK Champions Mafia on that other site.This literally answers your question austin. I don't know that Liar Game is a great game to pull a meta from, given how HEAVILY themed it was and the way that voting worked that game. I know you remember it better than I. Parallel Worlds also pretty heavily themed, but the lynch mechanics were, I would argue, more normal than in Liar Game. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:46 gonzaw wrote: There's a whole heck of a lot of people I haven't mentioned between then and now, he's one of em. That list is what, 2/3 or more of players in the game? Somewhere around there? He's particular in that I mentioned him before, I know. Right now I'm elsewhere.Actually, if you want to chat, let's chat austin. So, what about Holy? You mentioned this right after I made my "case" against him and Hapa made some points against him as well (which you agreed here). So? You never mention him again. You don't mention him right now. What's up with you and Foolishness? Okay, apparently you don't agree with my meta case (for some reason). Okay, that's not too bad I guess. But what about his actual first posts? You think they are GOOD? You only defend him against me attacking him for being "trolly" and the meta case, but what do you think about those posts he made? I don't care about them. They don't make him town. I don't think they make him mafia. A couple SUPER OVERTLY trolly posts are posts that I read as "trolly", not as town or scum. I see more meat from scum Foolishness in Parallel Worlds than I do here, have not read Liar Game in years. I think his long list post is...okay. It's not as pushy as his Parallel Worlds list post, which doesn't count for terribly much. He doesn't blow anyone's socks off with any read, there's nothing damning/sanctifying about anyone that nobody else had seen, which would make the post a little better/worse depending on what he found, but I'm fine with it in general EXCEPT that the section on sandro and I is odd to me. Everyone else has pretty particular reasons, sandro and I are lumped together and I don't really agree with him that sandro had gotten post-happy within the recent pages before Foolishness posted his big thing. See my question to Foolishness about the sandro read in my filter. Ignoring the fact this is all fluffy "oh, I don't want to talk about Foolishness because scum are surely going to discuss Foolishness!", what about now? Nobody gives a shit about Foo right now. Only WOS and VE briefly discussed him, nothing more. So I guess there are no "mafia freely posting and keeping discussion on Foolishness" right? If so it completely invalidates this "defense" of him (or rather, avoidance of making a read on him), so you could as well start having a discussion centered on Foolishness. You can start by, like, posting what you think of his 2 "big" posts, and his reads and stuff. His second sizeable post...I don't love? His HolyFlare section is pure mush, maybe the mushiest statement in his two large posts. At this moment I feel that Promethelax or HolyFlare should be lynched today. Gonzaw's catch on Holyflare's contradiction is really damning and I'm almost ready to pull the trigger just on that. HolyFlare's defense did feel a bit contrived and forced? He did bring up some good points but at the same time I don't feel like he said all that much. That may just be confirmation bias at this point though. not really what I would expect from anyone pushing a read, or one of his two lynch candidates. Gonzaw's post on HF good, this point good, HF's defense felt contrived and forced, except he made good points, except he didn't say much, except maybe it's just confirmation bias. That's very very very limp-wristed.A NUMBER of people posted questions to him concerning his large reads post, and he really only answered about WoS and HF, also don't love that. So, first big post I'm not scummy on him for. Second big post I don't love as a post, the HF bit is the longest and is pure mush, but...whatever. I'm not seeing Foolishness scum as heavily as you are.No, not wrong. He's got posts that aren't pure troll, although they're just setup chat - + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 09:13 Foolishness wrote: Okay so we choose someone to lynch here today. If you are in the world where you're not lynching (and voting to swap) you should be voting to swap a person who you think is innocent. Swap powers should be used to get innocent people into the swap world, and mafia into the lynch world. Presumably we can only vote for people in our world? On December 12 2012 09:20 Foolishness wrote: Honestly we should just not swap players at all if we can help it. those two into the first bit about not swapping in the post you brought up, which IS more trolly Moreover, that post IS trolly. But look at the followup. He does dick all forever with his marv comment and vote. He doesn't really respond to anything but marv for almost 24 hours until he starts talking with Palmar in more detail (he gives crappy little posts to Keirathi and marv in response, not like his response here). There's a decent amount of posting, even shitty posting, trying to get something done. Here there's no posting trying to get anything done. His response/explanation post (the second big one), doesn't go anywhere, doesn't push anything, just waffles around. WHICH SOUNDS PARTICULARLY SCUMMY, EH? But in a game where there hasn't been huge pushes on people yet, it looks different enough from the way he was actually trying to do a thing, even lazily trying to do a thing, in that game. Anyways, you seem to be making a meta case FOR his posts not being scummy. Does that mean you think his early 3 posts were not scummy? Why austin? Everybody basically agrees they are somewhat scummy. Why are you DEFENDING those posts of his via some weird meta? I think anyone making a read of those posts is being silly. I don't care if someone starts with a few trolly posts, at all. If those posts tell me ANYTHING important, then I should be examined. Others may get something from them, but I don't at all. To me, they're trolly posts, they don't mean anything, and I disagree that scum Foolishness is a big trollface at the start of games.Take those posts for what they are, posts from a player playing this game. What do they tell you? Why do you take issue with 1? You think it doesn't matter that Foo has his vote on a guy he doesn't want to lynch? And about 3, what do you believe? Yes, it's a perfectly legitimate question, so please answer it austin, don't wait for others to do so for you Also, what's up with you and chatting? I thought WOS had an obsession with it, but you seem to be OCD about it wtf I'm a big chatter recently. | ||
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On January 23 2014 05:05 gonzaw wrote: No no. Liar Game was the question with the two answers, and depending on answers, only part of the game could be lynched on any given day? With multiple scum factions? I don't care about vanilla-ness, I care about the fact that the basic setup of liar game was, as I remember it, different in multiple ways than the setup here, in terms of basic factions, voting, etc.You would say that a heavily themed game would make a Scum Foolishness be MORE aggressive/confident than in an All-Vanilla game, or the opposite austin? I don't really see a contradiction with a Scum Foo feeling more "intimidated", or (maybe a better term) "not knowing what to do" (thus not really posting much "real posts" with "less trolly stuff") in an All-Vanilla game where there is no setup discussion, no wacky mechanics, no PMs, to hide in, than in a Heavily Themed game where there is. | ||
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On January 23 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote: I am absolutely not here and posting. I only just now get back and active after a long period gone.To explain Austin, at the time I made that post where you and sandroba are together, you and him had both shown up to the thread and posted a couple times, but that was it. My thinking was that, "okay, as long as these guys are here and continue to post they should be town". This especially applies to sandroba because he is known for being really inactive as mafia. You're here and posting, should be obvious that you are town. He's not here and not posting, and that speaks volumes for him. Driving now, ~40ish til at comp | ||
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For all his catching up, that's all he did. His posts and responses to things never really push anything FORWARD. He votes kita WHILE CATCHING UP, for something Kita posted ~22 hours previously, covers some other stuff, and never returns to kita once he's caught up (except to tell kita yeah, he'll be posting probably). He talks about Foolishness's large post to say that Foolish is townier, but his reads are kind of wrong and that's worrying. He's not a good lynch but he's not townie. The post has been beat to death, but all he does is give a wishy washy summary of his own thoughts, calls foolishness a bad lynch for today (when he appears to want kita lynched), and just...he doesn't get INVOLVED. He reads like he really was catching up. He doesn't read like he's catching up AND doing anything else. He's not pushing kita. He's not even coming back to summarize why kita is mafia once he's finished rereading. He's just happy with a vote based on 22 hour old posts, making some mush comments about other things going on, and then that's it. Possibly biased by the recent LoL-themed game, but Prome returning there PUSHED his reads that he made while catching up, and kept poking people when he was caught up. Here, Prome's goal reads more like just catching up, and then not doing anything else. Still fine with sandro lynch. Still don't want to lynch Foolishness, but I think marv has legitimate points concerning Foolishness's thoughts on sandro, and I don't LOVE his conclusions about my mafia play. I dunno if anyone else who has played with scumaustin thinks differently, but I've generally found that I can post long/spammy stuff while mafia as well. There was a long spammy read of Gonzaw as town in Aperture 2 off the top of my head, but generally I don't think post length and whatnot is a tell for me? I dunno, just don't love that he came to a conclusion about my mafia play that I disagree with. Need to read HF | ||
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On January 23 2014 07:05 gonzaw wrote: He's not the only person to not vote yet, and I don't think there's an hourly post requirement. Also if two people have to replace out of a game in which we got like a month of notice and were told to be available.... (or at least sandro got that notice)He didn't vote and has been AFK for like 30 hours...? I don't want to lynch HF. He was poking at some stuff I liked being poked at (prome on WoS/VE), I like his posts at Gonzaw regarding Foolishness. I particularly like this post On January 22 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote: How about answering the posts directed at you so I can get into your brainz. Not a 100% townie thing, but I think very very very very likely that this is not a post mafia makes. Doesn't joke, wants Gonzaw to really respond about Foolishness stuff (one of the two things HF seemed interested/involved in), and it's just mildly jokey. I like it for town. | ||
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On January 23 2014 07:05 gonzaw wrote: I, too, would be willing to vote for "that creepy feeling that the thread is giving off right now", but I don't think it's a valid vote option.It's like....first people are a little suspicious of Prome (VE and Foo call him scum, etc). Then everybody has town reads on Prome. But now that the lynch is coming, suddenly everybody jumps on the Prome bandwagon, when he isn't even here to defend himself (Foo, kita and now austin, and maybe somebody else I forgot). I'm not quite comfortable with that. On January 23 2014 07:11 gonzaw wrote: Austin is not obvs town, but he's working his way there. You are misremembering some things about his play, part of the reason you're scummy on him is that his reads differ from yours, which isn't definitively scummy or townie until people actually flip, and you may not have read some recent games of his.LOL MANCHESTER UNITED ....sorry couldn't contain myself  While I read Prome, please someone comment about austin. At least tell me I'm an idiot and he's obvs town like Foo did | ||
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On January 23 2014 07:14 gonzaw wrote: Part of the reasons I was scummy on you was the fact you had 0 scumreads 4 hours before D1 ended, remember? Prome is your 1st scum read in this whole game basically you may not have read some recent games of his. Unless I see something I'm super scummy on or interested in, I think that's kinda how I want to play. LXIII was a different setup because I didn't HAVE to lynch anyone D1, but you can read my filter there AND if you check the game all the complaints from people about my lack of scumhunting. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275 Thug Life I replaced in, so again, somewhat different, but iirc on D2 I'm mainly yelling about why the lynch candidates are NOT mafia, but don't present a solid other option for lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897 Not that mafia-me is SUPER DUPER SCUMHUNTY on D1, but at the very least, I think some recent games that we weren't in together are SOMEWHAT similar to this one, and I was town. It's a matter for after the lynch probably, unless you want to spend time now looking at em. | ||
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