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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:18 Promethelax wrote: No, we shan't okay, shall we dance the hypothetical dance? Two players Q and W have done essentially the same thing d1. They played in an objectivly scummy way and failed to vote for scum lynch while hard pushing a townie mislynch. On d2 Q keeps playing sloppily, hardly posts and mostly gets mad when you try to talk to him. W posts a lot and seems to be trying to figure things out although he does have some posts which suggest that if Q is scum W is also scum. Which player do you try to lynch Q or W?  At least not right now.Because you gots a problem. In this hypothetical, you prefer to lynch Q. But it's not the lynching of Q or W that matters at all. If you're town, you prefer to lynch Q. If you're MAFIA, you still prefer to lynch Q so long as Q is town. You know that he looks worse than W, you see people not wanting to lynch W that day, so Q is the go-to target. I don't care about lynching Q over W. I care about the reasons given to no longer want to lynch W, or the reasons given to lynch Q. Your hypothetical says NOTHING AT ALL about the lyncher, which is the dude in question here. | ||
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:24 marvellosity wrote: Wanting to lynch someone, then not wanting to lynch them PURELY on activity, when the only specific instances of that activity that you reference are things you find scummy, does not feel particularly green to me.austin, I can't really say I understand why this is so problematic for you. I didn't really get it when you first brought it up either. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:26 marvellosity wrote: Yup. But then normally, when you disagree with me on something and are right, I'm 100% convinced that at some future point I'll be right about whatever it is we disagree on. ONE DAY I WILL BE THE BRIDE.And normally when I don't understand why you're putting so much weight on something, it's not because I don't understand. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
ref: the activity/prome thing. Prome said x and y posts felt off amongst the sea of posts that felt good. As mafia he could just blanketly say "activity = good, yea bros?",... but he's mindful of a couple of posts he's seen still. That he doesn't have to point out if he's scum if he's making a blanket townread on activity. You're painting this as if there's only one plausible narrative | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:31 marvellosity wrote: There are more plausible narratives. But this series of questions isn't making me feel good about him either.it's true, that is our eternal dance. It *might* say more about you than me though. ref: the activity/prome thing. Prome said x and y posts felt off amongst the sea of posts that felt good. As mafia he could just blanketly say "activity = good, yea bros?",... but he's mindful of a couple of posts he's seen still. That he doesn't have to point out if he's scum if he's making a blanket townread on activity. You're painting this as if there's only one plausible narrative Whether I'm right or wrong in a thing I find scummy, I'm troubled that he just went to make a partial case on me but maybe didn't catch my series of posts about finding someone who hand-waved activity = WoS, when that's like 50% of what I've done for 1/3 of this game. I'm troubled that he asks his Q/W question, but from the wrong angle, because it doesn't matter to me whether Q or W is town/mafia/active/inactive, it matters to me what Armando The Onlooker says about Q and W. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways quick updates: I really like the big posts from Foolishness. Especially the parts about WoS and Kita (and me, duh) as they just resonate with me so much I can't believe it. I went into Kita's filter and I really tried to because he WAS the thing in common between WoS+Kita and Foo+Kit. I read, I gave up reading, I read again and I couldn't find anything and ended up being frustated because it made no sense and I really did not think Kita's cheerfulness or however to put it decently was faked. It really did feel like a townkita to me, I was frustrated and people got frustrated because I should be lynching Kita according to what I said but couldn't end up bringing anything together. Next thing went into WoS filter again and it's exactly the same thing as he said. Sure some small things here and there but nothing convincing at all. I found myself thinking that his explanations for his emotional play and for what I considered weird play are odd but I didn't consider them and it was certainly possible despite being odd. Once that crossed my mind I thought about why he should even be emotional as mafia... There was no reason to be later on, sure maybe early on but gonzaw was praising him as a saint and Austin and I were the only ones that kept attacking him (well and Foo but only once all 24 hours) and a lynch on him didn't seem likely. There was no need to fake emotions at all so I got to the conclusion that he actually was pissed and that his weird explanations actually made sense. What this means for me? I'm still at the same conclusion about foolishness as I've been lately -> He makes a crapton of sense and I really like his posts but whenever lynchtime comes he just goes wtf and does some weird shit that makes no sense. Thinking about his 2 (most likely) mafia reads being Prom and Marv. I do like those as mafiareads, WoS not so much anymore. Prom has been talked about a lot recently, he did afk like the game's already in the bag and what's more he pointed it out himself saying he has to re-prove himself as townie. I don't think a townie would be sitting there thinking that way. A townie. Townies are confident in themselves and "there's no way anyone could consider me to be mafia because I'm obviously the townies townie that ever towned a town", or something like that, ESPECIALLY after how d1 went. Maybe a bad case of having to much information and prom knowing he's not actually town that made him come to the conclusion that he should kick it up a notch? Marv... honestly I haven't looked much into it but he's been after my ass ever sine I got in here with just weird stuff. Anyone remember when I said I didn't even read Holy's posts and everyone was completly fine with it but marv went nuts about it? Didn't like that one bit but I'd have to reread him before willing to lynch into that, it's just a gutfeeling right now. TL;DR: That being said for me it's about wether or not I want to trust in foolishness being town or not and it therefore will be a decision between Prom and Foolishness for me. I'll check out Foo's filter again to see try and understand how those weird wtf conclusions close to deadline happened to came to be and wether there's an explanation for it | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Do you have any opinions that are actually...you know, real? Or are you going to say that everyone can scum and you need to wait to see how things pan out. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:44 Promethelax wrote: I afk'd for ~24 hours. Of course I need to prove myself townie. I'm not retarded, I know where I stand in the thread and I know that I was a lynch people liked a lot. Do you have any opinions that are actually...you know, real? Or are you going to say that everyone can scum and you need to wait to see how things pan out. give ma sec man, I'm getting to that | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Fool mafia. Prome town. Final answer. Gogo lynch. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:47 marvellosity wrote: Too many people way too non-committal too close to deadline. When Wave is away and my activity will be patchy once I leave work (exercise/dinner/shower/bf/broken laptop i can't take to bf's etc) Fool mafia. Prome town. Final answer. Gogo lynch. If the lynch happened in 10 minutes, that's where I'd be at. Still want to look at a few more things before I vote. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Do you understand what I'm getting at with people saying "activity = town" on WoS? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
We're lynching Foolishness today. He's been up there for 3 days straight for a reason and I still fear that he will just pull some crap on us when deadline hits and I start to believe gonzaws conspiracy about how Foolishness has been buddying me and has been using us with his shiny posts inbetween to just do whatever else afterwards. Marv and Prom have gotten in here and they're trying to change things up. Foolishness has his 4 big posts that are all nice and dandy but I don't see him convincing people as much as I'd like to, only being here shortly before deadline suddendly saying weird stuff that makes no sense with what he said prior to deadline about how someone suddenly is a bad lynch and creating chaos. ##vote Foolishness | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 29 2014 01:52 austinmcc wrote: Kita, smaller issue than Fool/Prome then. Do you understand what I'm getting at with people saying "activity = town" on WoS? I don't trust Armando. Does he have proof of residence? I understand what you're saying, but is it a concern if Wave's posts actually do look townie, aka he is active and making quality posts? If Prom were to attack Wave's posts as a useless wall of text and then suddenly consider him unlynchable it would be one thing, but he does refer to the posts as decent and involved. | ||
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