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On January 29 2014 02:06 Promethelax wrote:
What are marv and I trying to do together we are trying to change things up but, you say Fool is scum. How, then, can me/marv be trying to change things up since we cannot be scum together if fool is scum.
change things up as in, you got in here and you're actively trying to do something about the situation of you guys looking worse right now...
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On January 29 2014 02:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 02:06 Promethelax wrote:
What are marv and I trying to do together we are trying to change things up but, you say Fool is scum. How, then, can me/marv be trying to change things up since we cannot be scum together if fool is scum. change things up as in, you got in here and you're actively trying to do something about the situation of you guys looking worse right now...
Oh. My bad. That makes sense. I thought you didn't like that I was working to improve my image? Wasn't that a thing you just said four seconds ago?
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On January 29 2014 02:11 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 02:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 29 2014 02:06 Promethelax wrote:
What are marv and I trying to do together we are trying to change things up but, you say Fool is scum. How, then, can me/marv be trying to change things up since we cannot be scum together if fool is scum. change things up as in, you got in here and you're actively trying to do something about the situation of you guys looking worse right now... Oh. My bad. That makes sense. I thought you didn't like that I was working to improve my image? Wasn't that a thing you just said four seconds ago?
I said I had a problem with you pointing it out instead of just doing it.
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But by the time you had an issue with it I had already been doing things as well as having said I needed to do them. So why create an issue there where I had already done what it is you say I needed to do to make that good.
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On January 29 2014 02:07 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 01:52 austinmcc wrote:
Kita, smaller issue than Fool/Prome then.
Do you understand what I'm getting at with people saying "activity = town" on WoS? I don't trust Armando. Does he have proof of residence? I understand what you're saying, but is it a concern if Wave's posts actually do look townie, aka he is active and making quality posts? If Prom were to attack Wave's posts as a useless wall of text and then suddenly consider him unlynchable it would be one thing, but he does refer to the posts as decent and involved. Although Armando is an Everyman, in this case he's Prome. His residence is Outside.
And yesh, there are degrees of responses. But like...two things happened on D2 that were noticeable. From end of N1/D2, WoS got super super super posty. And VE gave up, more or less. If I had to chart out stuff that happened in D2, those are my things.
For me it IS a concern when WoS has quality posts, but someone is gone for a while, then references all the activity but never speaks to any particular townie post, only some scummy ones. I know I've questioned the length and breadth of WoS's actually super townie submissions within his heightened activity, but I don't disagree that there were quality posts. It's just going with activity and never touching on what posts were townie that irks me.
Then it irks me that marv says he doesn't see why it's important or what I'm getting at, because I don't think this is too strange of a thought here.
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On January 29 2014 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
But by the time you had an issue with it I had already been doing things as well as having said I needed to do them. So why create an issue there where I had already done what it is you say I needed to do to make that good.
because I'm not here to post at 8am my time or whatever it was.
I do like the fact that you're doing it.
I still don't like the fact that you said it.
Understandable?
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austin if a body of posts in general is good, why does someone need to go around picking out individual ones for the thread to see? To what end? It serves no use as far as lynching mafia goes.
You're being irked because you're being silly even though you're the only one who thinks this is actually particularly important. Why?
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no, it isn't understandable at all.
You brought it into the thread as an issue by the time you had caught up to the thread. You didn't say "if this had not been followed up on it would be an issue" you said "this is an issue" and three minutes later you dropped the issue and called me town and fool scum.
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marv: does this stuff from Toad make sense? Why is it so damn silly.
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On January 29 2014 02:19 Promethelax wrote:
no, it isn't understandable at all.
You brought it into the thread as an issue by the time you had caught up to the thread. You didn't say "if this had not been followed up on it would be an issue" you said "this is an issue" and three minutes later you dropped the issue and called me town and fool scum.
On January 29 2014 02:05 Toadesstern wrote:
that I'm less convinced about you two than foolishness. Frankly speaking, could be he's bussing one out of you/Marv/WoS right now because if he flips red you three do look better.
where in the world do you get that I'm calling you town? I said it's an issue, I said I still think it's an issue. I said I think foolishness is the bigger issue.
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I have no idea what Toad is talking about most of the time, which is why I've been so insistent on picking on kinda "sideways" details like holy's posts + VE being mysteriously easy to read after days of apathy.
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On January 28 2014 10:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was having difficulty finding history on Toad, if there is a game where he is mafia that is more recent I want it.
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On a completely irrelevant note, really? 
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he's only the manager of the whole forum, kita, how can he be expected to know
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On January 29 2014 02:18 marvellosity wrote:
austin if a body of posts in general is good, why does someone need to go around picking out individual ones for the thread to see? To what end? It serves no use as far as lynching mafia goes.
You're being irked because you're being silly even though you're the only one who thinks this is actually particularly important. Why? Because for me, if Toad is town and kita is probably town, that leaves:
wos
foolishness
you
prome
me
and i'm town. Which means I'm searching for 2 mafia in wos/foolishness/marv/prome. And if WoS isn't mafia, that means I'm searching for 2 mafia in you/foolishness/prome. So things that might make one or the other scummy are particularly important to me. People who think I might be mafia, or toad might be mafia, are in a slightly different boat, so maybe they don't feel the same way.
I'm partially irked because it's the second time this game you've done it. On D1, when I was asking prome and then sandroba about prome's calling out VE but not WoS, you posted something along a similar vein of "i don't see why you find this important"On January 22 2014 03:46 marvellosity wrote:
austin the issue wasn't whether Prome justified the difference, but whether what he did makes him scummy or not. You're 1-0ing something that wasn't even really a point of contention On January 22 2014 05:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 04:25 austinmcc wrote:
We can skip the yes/no portion I guess...
If you like Prome's explanation, I'm interested in hearing about that. If you don't, then you think Prome (1) is silly or (2) gave a false reason and/or (3) doesn't have a reason?
If you don't like Prome's explanation and it's (2) or (3), then whether there was a point of contention or not is irrelevant, except that it SHOULD be a point of contention. In my book, making up or having a very weak justification for treating in a different manner two people who do the same thing is a scummy thing (which is the mindset I find myself in at the moment, that yes, what he did was scummy because I don't buy that justification) Just popping in between exercise and dinner, i'll go find kita's stuff a bit later. Mostly 1, maybe a touch of 3? It's just something I don't find very surprising. I've often remarked to Prome that I find his opening to games bad/weak/scummy because he makes senseless accusations/stupid fluff/whatever. Really (and this is to VE mostly I guess) I don't really care so much about him doing that at the start of the game, nor Hapa either, because it's what they do. The difference between here and LX is that on LX it was abundantly clear he was on the backfoot about his RNG plan, here his defence was on the frontfoot (partly *because* he didn't try to overjustify it again and again) and he simply moved on from it. I sincerely wish I found it as interesting as you and VE seem to :p
So it's extra irksome because this is twice now when I've been poking at prome you're just not seeing what I'm seeing. With the first thing, VE saw what I was seeing, flipped town. Sandroba had no problem with prome's interaction there, and was mafia. And my questions on prome/WoS/VE were like...one of very very very few times he ever interacted with thread. I THINK that was really the most interactive, I got like 3-4 posts in a chain from him, but all misunderstanding my question/going somewhere else.
Then as far as the FIRST part of your question to me, why someone needs to go around picking out individual townie posts, they don't NEED to. But he's picked out streams of posts that were SCUMMY to him. The only time he's not fully generic, it's to say WoS did some scummy-ish stuff. If he's going to say that WoS did some scummy stuff, why doesn't he also point out non-generic townie stuff? Even "less generic"? That's his ENTIRE commentary on one of the major things that happened D2, that it's good but also here are some scummy things, but I'm not voting.
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Kita, talk to me about what Toad is saying right now.
He says that I look bad for something silly.
That fool looks good for his huge posts/reads on me/kita/toad
in conclusion Toad votes Fool
does this mean that Toad is scum or can Toad flip this flop so easily? If Toad can be town while saying these things are the things he is saying true? Should Fool be lynched over prome?If so why?
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Grrr, I'm bad at putting full reasoning into posts this game. The above post should include, in the paragraph about "so it's extra irksome..."
that VE saw what I was seeing concerning the first thing I was poking at prome on. Sandroba didn't.
I'm interested in whether people are seeing what I'm talking about in the second thing I'm poking at prome on.
If, in both cases, townies are at least SEEING what I'm getting at, even if come to a different conclusion/think I'm overvaluing something, then it looks bad for you that you're saying each time you just don't care in either case and don't understand why I do.
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On January 29 2014 02:29 Promethelax wrote:
Kita, talk to me about what Toad is saying right now.
He says that I look bad for something silly.
That fool looks good for his huge posts/reads on me/kita/toad
in conclusion Toad votes Fool
does this mean that Toad is scum or can Toad flip this flop so easily? If Toad can be town while saying these things are the things he is saying true? Should Fool be lynched over prome?If so why?
the reason I am and was voting foolish is and always has been "guy makes sense whenever he posts and I agree with him but suddendly goes fullretard when deadline hits"
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austin, it doesn't look bad for me at all, are you insane? It's nothing to do with "seeing" what you're talking about. It's whether it actually means that someone is scummy. I've been pretty clear that it isn't. kita also says that it isn't. You're the only one pushing this...?
IF someone has, say, 100 good posts and 2 posts, which do you highlight?
Or maybe do you say "gosh there's a bunch of good posts, but these are the 2 exceptions"?
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On January 29 2014 02:33 austinmcc wrote:
Grrr, I'm bad at putting full reasoning into posts this game. The above post should include, in the paragraph about "so it's extra irksome..."
that VE saw what I was seeing concerning the first thing I was poking at prome on. Sandroba didn't.
I'm interested in whether people are seeing what I'm talking about in the second thing I'm poking at prome on.
If, in both cases, townies are at least SEEING what I'm getting at, even if come to a different conclusion/think I'm overvaluing something, then it looks bad for you that you're saying each time you just don't care in either case and don't understand why I do.
I sincerely wish I found it as interesting as you and VE seem to :p
I see, I find not that interesting, I know Prome. etc.
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On January 29 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
austin, it doesn't look bad for me at all, are you insane? It's nothing to do with "seeing" what you're talking about. It's whether it actually means that someone is scummy. I've been pretty clear that it isn't. kita also says that it isn't. You're the only one pushing this...?
IF someone has, say, 100 good posts and 2 posts, which do you highlight?
Or maybe do you say "gosh there's a bunch of good posts, but these are the 2 exceptions"? Yes and noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Maybe you say that. Maybe you don't.
But the third option is just "this person has a lot of posts. also, there are some bad ones."
Prome, TO ME, doesn't say that WoS has a bunch of good posts. He says WoS has a bunch of posts. Doesn't say good. Doesn't say bad. Just doesn't want to lynch based on activity. AFTER saying it's just activity and pointing out something scummy, he DOES say "the rest of his stuff has been decent and simply involved." You may read that as "there's a bunch of good posts," but it troubles me given that it still equates activity/involvement alone with townieness in the lazy fashion, and that it comes only as an explanation of why a scummy thing doesn't make WoS scum. It's a...followup, and not the real point?
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