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On January 29 2014 05:18 Foolishness wrote: (Except it's also really apparent why you'd do that and the only possible other targets were marv and myself and there were already reasons to be suspicious of him)Yes I did that on purpose. I made no mention of Austin anywhere in my posts yet Austin looks like he's taking the information I provided and is trying to draw conclusions, while Marv is just trying to debunk everything I say (instead of say, analyzing the Promethelax case and looking for connections to the last mafia). Austin knows he's innocent so he didn't read at all into the fact that his name wasn't mentioned, because that wasn't on his mind. Marv noticed it in particular because he knows he's guilty. | ||
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Couple posts D1 saying marv is possible. Not the lynch, but possible mafia. Only relevant, and slightly, to associations. I'm okay with Prome + WoS mafia --> WoS responds in a way I like --> Prome. It's the natural progression for either side, but imo it's tougher for mafia to say "one of these two dudes" --> choose one --> end up having that guy look good and go towards the other. For a townie, you just pick your now best scum target. As mafia, you lost a possible mislynch at the time, and you ... dislike that? Foolishness's D1, especially where gonzaw questions him, reads MORE like a townie response than the scummy one - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote: Bringing light to the fact that your post was incredibly weird minus the last two sentences. It was really odd, and I don't think I'm the only one who said so. You're town and we all know it. Don't pull a gonzaw. 1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it. 2) Don't know what you're exactly referring to. But you were being trolly at the start of the day and it was impossible to know what your motives were. Your motives are clear now. As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really). 3) Promethelax is scum. WoS probably not. Read above. 4) Nope. ##Unvote ##Vote: Promethelax Foolishness's comment on Sandroba looking better because of activity is scummy. His first response to people asking about that is to me, the "speaks volumes" post. I look better for continuing to post, Sandroba looks scummier for not. He does NOT AT ALL address the fact that Sandroba was not really active, knows he only posted a couple times. I don't love that either. Continues minor harping on marv D1. Gonzaw asks about whether Foolishness would lynch marv or sandro. Foolishness says both, while calling out marv's posting. Again, for association purposes, makes the two together unlikely. Calls me out here: On January 23 2014 07:56 Foolishness wrote: There's no way this sandroba lynch is good. Also "Back. Caught up and also read Prome. Fine with a prome lynch." - Austin Except I'd also said I was fine voting Sand. This was a point against him earlier, because he doesn't appear to be reading all my posts, he's just grabbing something and throwing it, trying to scare people off of sand. I still don't like it. BUT BUT BUT this post makes no sense if the team is Foolishness/sandroba/prome. Foolishness wants to push a prome lynch, FINE. Dandy. But Foolishness, if the team is sand/prome/foolishness, PROBABLY has a hard time really making me look shady after this. He knows BOTH are mafia. Is the one thing he really grabs a quote from a guy who said he would vote either of those two? Doesn't he do...something different? Like, prome flips mafia. And on D2, sand...does nothing again? He's probably still on the block. If Foolishness is TRYING to make me look bad here and put me up for lynch D2, or discredit me, he's going to have trouble, because Sandroba is, in all likelihood, still gonna get lynched at some point. I don't think scum foolishness, on THAT team, makes that post. I don't think mafia Foolishness is so insistent on the "kill these 4 players" plan. I know people took issue with it, knowing that if they were mostly town or all town scum Foolishness magically wins the game. This discounts the fact that: (1) people didn't trust Foolishness, so had NO REASON to actually follow his plan, it's not a way for scum to win the game because holy crap nobody is going down that list on Foolishness's say-so; and (2) there's at least some reason to back up that list. (1) being more important than (2). Gonzaw was poking at Foolishness during N2. Gonzaw got killed. i THINK this is mildly mildly townie. (1) Foolishness spends a LOT of the night cycle, most of his posts, going back and forth with Gonzaw. Critical of Gonzaw. In general, this is more likely to mean that he's town, given that scum was gonna kill Gonzaw (not 100%, and it's a rule that mafia can and SHOULD exploit by talking a bunch about their NK target). (2) Could be scummy because who wants gonzaw dead? The guy gonzaw is being really critical of! (3) Point 2 can be WIFOMed (and should!). It's not the greenest of filters to me. But i THINK that in that group of 3, foolishness is the town. The NK, the post about me during the D1 lynch. | ||
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On January 29 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Yesterday I was really weirded out by people doing a 180 on you, and VE wasn't dead and green. It's relevant because my analysis and vote come down to thinking kita and you are town, and I wanted to make sure that was the case with a reread.Phoneposting cause this weirded me out Wtf waste of time is this. Why is your read on me impoortant right now? Why is it all based on D1 play when you coiuld have come to the same conclusions yesterday BUT YESTERDAY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM Foolishness I am not the key to this game. You are. | ||
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Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2 WoS or kita, are you as well? Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome (1) marv + foolishness marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds. Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together. (2) prome + foolishness Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team? Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work. So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices. A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome. (3) prome + marv In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax. Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted. | ||
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On January 29 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote: yesIs austin fighting this lynch? | ||
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On January 29 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote: Why lynch sandroba on D1 instead of Foolishness then?no austin, you should be lynching the absolute strongest read, period. | ||
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On January 29 2014 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Nonono, sorry. This is only relevant to marv's D1 swap.Because foolishness was kind of up in the air still. I assume people didn't realize hed be playing the whole game as strangely as his D1. Plus shenannies are fun He was on Foolishness, because Foolishness was mafia. Foolishness was mafia, in part, because he wasn't voting sandroba, who was also scummy. He had made a LOT of comments about Foolishness. But as far as Sandroba goes, he has comments like: On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote: Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Prome is looking worse by default sandroba is looking worse by default Your recent posts look quite ok plus none of my townreads are interested in you Holy looks bad because I have no idea what he is doing with the blatantly town Hapa Within those 3. Maybe sand gets another day for being sand. Prome/Holy. Want both to post. He REALLY gets on sand's case a little via Foolishness - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 06:19 marvellosity wrote: austin: Paranoia, but I had to cheat So what the fuck is going on here? In the first post, Foolishness is "sandroba's entrance was fine" - I believe this was picked up by multiple people who questioned it - and we never got an answer as far as I can see from Foolish's filter, despite being asked by more than one person (pls don't say i missed it thanks). Also that sandroba is fine as long as he continues posting. sandroba has not continued posting. So... moving on with Foolish's posts, he prefers to lynch me over sandroba on a "general feeling", despite the fact that by his own metric he should really want to be lynching sandroba pretty fucking hard right now. sand asked Foolish (and me T.T) some really random question, and then in the 2nd post follows this up by randomly tacking Foolish on as someone who is "maybe" giving him scumvibes, as an afterthought. Scum/scum? (connection bad blabla, not going to lynch on this). Actually Foolish's posts towards sandroba are exceptionally weak and contradictory in that he's basically not following through on his promises to bust sandroba's ass, which he really should be if sandroba is only fine if he continues posting - and sandroba was only fine in the first place because his posts showed some thought (did they really?)Foolish has kinda rumbled that sand is mafia but... yeah. Let me show something from Liar Game analysis: sandroba is now in marv's bottom 2 people, with NO comment other than the foolishness stuff - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 06:33 marvellosity wrote: Quick cheat list: Sexy mofos: marv Hapa gonzaw Mildly attractive mofos: VisceraEyes WaveofShadow austinmcc Totally ignoring this mofo for now: Holyflare Could be attractive, but i don't like his shoes mofo: kitaman27 Possibly unattractive, pending mofo: Promethelax Ugly mofos: Foolishness sandroba 1. Foolishness 2. Marvellosity 3. Promethelax 4. Austinmcc 5. Sandroba 6. VisceraEyes 7. Kitaman27 8. HolyFlare 9. Hapahauli 10. Gonzaw 11. WaveofShadow Then with an hour to go, he wants to lynch sand for doing nothing for town - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 07:06 marvellosity wrote: Why don't we just kill the dude who doesn't care about town after all? Kinda curious that Fool has 4 ppl as likely mafia (Prome, holy, me, sand) but...willing to test him on sand for now. ##Vote: sandroba sandroba comes BACK and posts on promethelax, votes him. This is marv's current lynch target. marv makes ZERO mention of sandroba's return to thread, even though not helping town was the reason sandroba was mafia. marv makes ZERO mention of it at all, except to say that he doesn't like a Prome lynch because sand and foolishness are on it. He then unvotes sandroba to vote Foolishness again (19 minutes to lynch). Then back to sand (5 minutes). If marv dislikes sand and Foolishness, fine. But MOST of his posts have been about Foolishness looking bad. He doesn't really come out earlier and call sandroba mafia, and he doesn't respond to sandroba coming into thread at 11th hour and voting prome/writing about prome. Marv doesn't want prome lynched, but when the vote is 5 Foolishness / 3 Prome / 2 Sand / 1 Gonzaw, he unvotes Foolishness to vote sandroba. Making it 4/3/3/1, and in a game full of shennanies, SLIGHTLY more likely that prome gets lynched by a single vote swap, which couldn't have happened in a 5/3/2/1 world. It's not ENTIRELY about "voting your strongest scum suspect," it's PARTIALLY about the rest of what I think is wrong with marv's D1 voting. He's swapping his vote multiple times in the last little bit. He's doing so without ever really calling sandroba out previously, when he HAS been calling Foolishness out. In swapping his vote, he makes a dude he doesn't want lynched a little more likely to be lynched. And he just skates over Sandroba's return to thread after a long absence, sandroba's comments on prome, despite the fact that he's voting sandroba at that point, then unvotes him, then votes him again. I just don't fully buy marv's suspicions and his vote swapping on D1 at the deadline and marv making a comment about voting your strongest scum suspect triggers me poking around that. It's not 1:1, with "but foolishness was your strongest suspect and yet you voted sandroba." That's not valid. But i think that marv's D1 is wonky and his strongest suspect comment set me off. | ||
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On January 29 2014 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Don't read the votes then. Read marv's comments on Sandroba D1, and his comments on Foolishness D1.Austin I think I'm just not going to read that post at all. Fuck vote D1 vote analysis. Then tell me if you understand why I would ask him about that vote when he tells me to vote the strongest scumread. | ||
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On January 29 2014 06:57 kitaman27 wrote: I like this one less than prome v. foolish Suppose we had a hypothetical situation where I wouldn't want to lynch Prom, but I'd consider marv. Otherwise, I'd vote foolishness. Show of hands, who would support that and who would oppose it? Brb, 45 mins.  Between the two, right now, I'd vote marv. | ||
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On January 29 2014 07:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm not attempting to.Again, why are you comparing day 1 to day 3? They aren't the same I'm trying to compare your D1 to this comment of yours - On January 29 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote: no austin, you should be lynching the absolute strongest read, period. I can't help that you posted it D3. I don't care about your D3 vote in this case, I care about D1 vote and that comment. Because I don't see sandroba being your strongest scumread on D1. AND IF ANYONE IS CONVINCED BY THIS AND ONLY THIS THEY ARE ... NOT LOOKING AT THE RIGHT STUFF But if you really think you always vote your strongest scumread, period, then I don't understand your D1 vote at all. They contradict each other, imo, and it's in a way that I don't like. | ||
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THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH PORK CHOP DAY/NIGHTPOSTS. I DEMAND A SPROUT-THEMED VIDEO! | ||
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On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote: Well your comment didn't sayBecause day 3 is not day 1 Are you being purposefully obtuse? You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand "We should be lynching the scummiest player, period, but only on Days after 1" or anything like that. It made it sound like this was a hard and fast rule you wanted to enforce always. On January 29 2014 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Note for my filter for later: Aside from austin being missing a lot, notably his jovial trolly nature has been missing too. Must compare some games. Generally more jovial in town games recently than scum? Off the top of my head, I got a little trolly in Chrono Trigger but ONLY on the last day (see my post about old me and martial arts), and I was very jovial in PTP: Demon's Run, posting at VE about how bears were going to eat him and about how bears were evil and all that jazz. I think GENERALLY though, more jovial in town games? Not entirely sure on that. I've had srs town games and some jovial scum games, and i THINK i was jovial in scum games regardless of the situation (i believe i was pretty happy and jokey in PTP even when it looked like i couldn't win). | ||
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On January 29 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote: Agreed. I'm behaving oddly for either alignment this game, but I know that today has been really off for my towngame.austin if you're town you are behaving exceptionally oddly | ||
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On January 29 2014 07:25 Toadesstern wrote: If you believe this, why foolishness over prome?There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote: KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2 WoS or kita, are you as well? Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome (1) marv + foolishness marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds. Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together. (2) prome + foolishness Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team? Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work. So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices. A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome. (3) prome + marv In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax. Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted. Do you disagree with my conclusion? Or you think that it's not worth lynching based on that conclusion, and you're just set on Foolishness whether it makes the most sense out of those three or no. | ||
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On January 29 2014 07:45 Toadesstern wrote: If prome is town, I assume you think Foolishness is mafia 100%?the latter. I want this cleared up for now. If prome is mafia...foolishness likely town but not certain? I know that lynching A to clear up B sounds smelly, and isn't conclusory, but i THINK things are mostly cleared up with either lynch, and I think prome puts us in the best position. | ||
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(4) Repeats the second half of (2) but bolded, marv has been VERY backseatish this game, and even has noted once or twice that he might need to take control of things, yet he never actually does. Even when arguing the prome v foolishness lynch today, he's happy to just comment and argue, but he never really tries to impose his will on this lynch. (5) I really hope that I'm seeing things correctly today | ||
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On January 29 2014 07:55 marvellosity wrote: Is this a question to me, or a question to everyone else as to whether you've been different?Am I in a different day 3 to everyone else? Who else has been pushing shit today like I have? I don't think you've been PUSHING. FiveTouch thought i was town, but was smacking down my suggestions and reads in that mayoral game, and FORCING the town to do what he wanted. Marv in other past games has been a little more shove-y when he thinks he's right and others are wrong. In this game, you appear to think you're right and that i'm wrong, but you're just...telling me I'm wrong, and chatting with me, and I don't feel the PRESSURE from you to conform to your way of thinking. And I don't feel that same PRESSURE from you towards others, although that may be just me. | ||
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gg Foolishness | ||
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