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Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 04:30 GMT
#951
On December 11 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 13:11 Holyflare wrote:
K fine, not enough policy lynches happen on TL anyway. For the sanity of the members!

##Unvote
##Vote Alakaslam

So you actually have scum reads and decide to ignore them for a policy lynch

Nice holy


This is a scummy post. Why single out holy? and not Grack and I? Why try and paint a policy lynch as anything more than it is?

This post is off.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 04:31 GMT
#954
Also why, as vayne says, does there seem to be so much resistance to a pretty good policy lynch on slam?
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 04:39 GMT
#960
On December 11 2013 13:36 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 13:31 Holyflare wrote:
I'm playing so that town can have a victory at the end game, if I die (being the only person that can seemingly translate slams posts) then he is a wildcard and is a hinderence to the town win con.

This is super fake reasoning to me.

If we're that confused, slam can explain.
And he's not that unintelligible


I disagree. And he won't stop and just post like a human being. Even when asked repeatedly.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 04:40 GMT
#962
Policy lynches do not hurt town. This policy lynch would be pro town in my estimation. Slam is actually weighing us down if he is town. If he is scum, that is great. If he is town, also not bad at all.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 04:51 GMT
#971
He is not a bad lynch today. Today is the only day we can lynch him on policy. I am not policy lynching after day one. So if he survives today we are stuck with him till the end.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 05:05 GMT
#977
Keep posting like that and tell me who you think is scum and maybe we won't lynch you. You have a day to make yourself useful.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 05:14 GMT
#979
Yeah nevermind. Let's just lynch him.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 06:28 GMT
#987
On December 11 2013 15:19 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something.


You said you were going to look at me. What resulted from that?
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 06:39 GMT
#990
On December 11 2013 15:33 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 15:28 Plutarch wrote:
On December 11 2013 15:19 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something.


You said you were going to look at me. What resulted from that?


Nothing


You read my entire filter and your conclusion was nothing? That doesn't make sense.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 12:53 GMT
#1025
On December 11 2013 19:46 Xatalos wrote:
Alakaslam would be a better Vigi shot, since (almost) everyone seems to agree that he's detrimental. The voting patterns wouldn't really tell that much of anyone's alignment, at least compared to players who have reasons not to be lynched (besides a statistical chance of flipping town). It's better to lynch players who have a higher chance of flipping scum and whose flip will give good insights into the voters. One mistake we made in GoT Mafia was to focus too much on lurkers/anti-town players, and it ended badly.

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On December 11 2013 16:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not really buying Bum's story. If he wants to disregard day1 reads because they are weak and just lynch the most useless player that is his opinion. But if he's against lynching alakaslam, who openly states he will not be useful, just because he addresses his posts to Rayn then we have a problem. It really can't be argued that slam will be more useful than Pandain.


I like this post. Bum's main reason for voting Pandain was because he hadn't posted yet. Now Pandain has posted quite a bit, but bum just keeps going for him regardless of that. It doesn't really look like bum tries to figure out Pandain's alignment, he just chose a target and keeps going for it. That's not a town mindset. I want to hear from bum why Pandain is still a "good lynch" ASAP.


While It is true that you can lose by policy lynching people, at this point Alakaslam is bothering me so much that I am willing to risk losing to ensure that he is not in this game past day one.

Ideally he would be a vig shot, but we all know that people enjoy making odd vig choices. And I am afraid of a scenario where we lynch into cora or spag for example, hit town, then the vig shoots weirdly and we are left with slam and purple to lylo.

I agree with that Grack post also. Bum parking his vote on pandain after pandain began to contribute feels really weird.

I also found it strange that Bum could state he was analyzing my filter due to me being 'interesting' and then find absolutely nothing to talk about.

How can you read 6 pages of filter and arrive at zero conclusions?

To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 12:54 GMT
#1026
On December 11 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Slam starts contributing in English or we lynch him.
purple starts contributing or we lynch him.

In case both of those do not happen one gets lynched other one vigged.
In case both of those happen we lynch the scummiest dude.


I agree with this.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:02 GMT
#1029
On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts:

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush

Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator

I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it.


Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote:
On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:
Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned?

By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town:

On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush

Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator

I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it.


It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason.


They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them.

I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too.

No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am).


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On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote:
Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you


They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town.

I also agree with this:

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:
On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh

HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game

Don't call Artanis scum for being right.


Be less bad please.

How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage?

So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow?

HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind?

Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something?

You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung.



The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...

Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.

I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him.


Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him.

Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you.


To be honest, this kind of thing is pretty easy to fake as scum and doesn't really make me lean town on spag. I'm actually leaning scum on spag at the moment because he is active but not contributing anything to scum hunting. He is barely providing reads at all and doesn't seem to be that invested in the lynch. (parked his vote on slam early day one and left it there.)

So yeah spag scummy to me. If you post but do zero scum hunting then you are scummy in my eyes.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:03 GMT
#1030
On December 11 2013 20:45 kushm4sta wrote:
tbh im getting sick of your bitching more than im sick of shitposters


Not helpful kush.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:03 GMT
#1031
On December 11 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos: Corazon is highly emotional player who contradicts himself as town, a lot. To me it seems like he's just pissed off for accusations against him because he finds them unreasonable. Stupid? Yes. Scummy? Not necessarily. He's far more reasonable and tries to control his emotions as scum. I don't see anything scummy in what he has said this game, mor likely it's just frustration. What you just quoted from Spaghetticus is attacking Cora for being emo. That's not scumhunting, that's an easy way to attack someone who says dumb stuff. The fact is Spag was here last night, he said he will catch up and share his thoughts. He ended up not catching up and and instead made 60 fluff posts about something irrelevant (defended himself against people who just wanted him to share his opinions). I find that highly suspicious.


I agree with this post.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:08 GMT
#1033
People I want to lynch right now are.

Spag, Cora, Bum, Purple, Slam

People I think are town are
Rayn, Holyflare.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:13 GMT
#1036
On December 11 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Plutarch what do you think of this?
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also like kush and Xata, I in general agree with a lot of what they are saying and they are playing very pro town imo.

Interesting. If you like what Xatalos has said why do you seem to not have a read on Artanis because that's what Xatalos has mostly talked about?

sidesprang finds Xatalos' thoughts really good and has a town read on him. Xatalos mainly talks about Artanis yet sidesprang does not mention Artanis at all in his post. Shouldn't he have a scumread on him?


Not really. I have a town read on both you and Holyflare and don't agree with all of your scum reads necessarily. I could see a situation in which Sidesprang believes Xatalos is town and posting well and also think Artanis is town.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:17 GMT
#1037
On December 11 2013 22:13 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. Maybe I've focused too much on Spag's "towntells". It's certainly easier to fake stuff like that than scumhunting, and there isn't really scumhunting by Spag despite a large filter.

Plutarch, you agree with rayn that Cora's anger seems genuine? I don't really think so. He's just focused on countering those who have accused him and not much else.


That is the key point to reading Spag. You can post a lot and comment a lot, but if you do and still have zero evidence of scum hunting then you are very likely to be scum.

In fact I really want to lynch spag for not scumhunting whilst being reasonably active. Which is why people like slam piss me off so badly. The fact that we are considering lynching someone because he is awful to play with over someone who is likely to flip scum is incredibly frustrating.

No I don't agree that Cora's anger feels genuine. I think Cora could easily fake it as scum.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:24 GMT
#1040
Kind of sad that we seem to have a whole bunch of useless players this game.

I really want to lynch spag now.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:30 GMT
#1042
He moved his vote around a bit which I like. He doesn't make sense at all which I don't. Is that scummy though? I'm not so sure.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 11 2013 13:31 GMT
#1043
Xatalos are you around? what do you think of a spag lynch now?
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
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