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Still want to lynch Xatalos most though. Reasons above are why, and would like input on it.
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On December 13 2013 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis is also scum for making such a bullshit post.
Answer the actual post instead of antagonizing me.
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On December 13 2013 21:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Artanis your cases are usually good. This one was not. Wonder why hmmm
How about actually commenting on the content?
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On December 13 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not answering you anything because you are scum.
The post i am talking about proves it.
I'm glad you know alignments for certain Rayn. I wish I had that kind of knowledge.
Then again I'd be scum then.
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On December 13 2013 21:59 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 21:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 13 2013 21:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Artanis your cases are usually good. This one was not. Wonder why hmmm How about actually commenting on the content? no quotes i dont see why any of those things make him scum. All i see is you pejoratively describing townplay.
Because he's not chasing the people he read as scum. He's going after whomever he thinks he can paint off as scum. The fact that he completely ignored myself and Xatalos all of a sudden despite considering both of us scum proves it. He doesn't even care about trying to convince others that his scumspects should be lynched.
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On December 13 2013 22:07 kushm4sta wrote:
artanis i think it's called pressuring
It's not just pressuring. He's considered me a scumread for most of the game yet he's just suddenly stopped giving a shit about me. He's never actively tried to push for my lynch. It's posturing, and it's fake.
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And now he's parked his vote on Plutarch who will never get lynched instead of me because he knows I'll flip green and he wants to keep his scapegoat.
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Plutarch, Xigxag, when you guys get back I'm curious what you think about Rayn. And Xatalos, but I already mentioned that.
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I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo.
I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me?
On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis.
Glad you came around bb <3
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On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo. I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me? On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. Glad you came around bb <3 Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance.
How is it Wishy-Washy? I'm pretty clear in that I don't want to lynch him right now.
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On December 14 2013 20:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 20:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo. I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me? On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. Glad you came around bb <3 Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance. How is it Wishy-Washy? I'm pretty clear in that I don't want to lynch him right now. Judging from that post, your stance was more like "eh, I don't really think he's a good lynch, but I'm not sure".
The rest of the post goes into why I don't want to lynch him because nothing from his filter to me suggests he's more likely scum than town. It seems to me like you're taking every excuse to paint me as scum even when the arguments don't hold any water, which is further strengthening my scum read on you.
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On December 14 2013 20:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 20:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo. I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me? On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. Glad you came around bb <3 Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance. How is it Wishy-Washy? I'm pretty clear in that I don't want to lynch him right now. But if you don't want to lynch him, then fine. Although I'd like you to elaborate on "right now".
From LSB's current posts I have no interest in seeing him lynched. I don't consider him town by any means, but I don't see anything indicating scum with any strength either.
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On December 14 2013 21:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 20:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 14 2013 20:56 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 20:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 14 2013 20:43 Xatalos wrote:On December 14 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm not sure LSB is a good lynch. Avoiding responsibility seems to be the only thing he's done. He's too blatantly talking about scum agenda's and what he thinks scum would do. It feels more like he's trying to place himself into the position of a scum player to catch them. Hypocrisy also isn't something I'd ascribe to scum players alone. Look at Cora. Called out players for not being allowed to be inactive, then said he'd be inactive in the same post. The case on LSB doesn't make him scum imo. I've already said what I think about Rayn and Xatalos, but I don't know what your view on Xatalos is Plutarch. Could you inform me? On December 14 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote:LOL plz plz do not stoke the fire that lies inside corazon's butt. We know he's town. He is a master troll. The best way to fight a troll is to ignore it. I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote:
Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters.
What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things.
One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate.
So my thought is
VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia
VA = Town-> susp votes = town
Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of.
Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes.
I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first.
Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!
bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. Glad you came around bb <3 Well, this makes me a bit more worried about LSB again. That's such a wishy-washy stance. How is it Wishy-Washy? I'm pretty clear in that I don't want to lynch him right now. Judging from that post, your stance was more like "eh, I don't really think he's a good lynch, but I'm not sure". The rest of the post goes into why I don't want to lynch him because nothing from his filter to me suggests he's more likely scum than town. It seems to me like you're taking every excuse to paint me as scum even when the arguments don't hold any water, which is further strengthening my scum read on you. Maybe I focused too strongly on the first sentence. Dunno why you would say you're "not sure" about lynching him and then proceed to have no arguments for him being scum though............ Shouldn't you think that he's town then? Like.... what?
When you don't have a scum or town read on someone, it's called being "not sure" or "null".
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Looks like I got back just in time.
On December 15 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i just wrote a fucking big case on Artanis it took like an hour and then i clicked on X.
FUCK THIS!
Lynch Artanis. He is scum.
1) His reasoning on Xatalos being scum is still the same that on D1. Nothing has changed, he hasn't taken a different approach on getting him lynched while it's clear the D1 won't work (as Xatalos was not lynched on D1). He is not really trying to lynch Xatalos.
I have been screaming at people for opinions on Xatalos all game but no one's giving it any thought. I've quoted the points I've listed. There have been points added to that. It just seems that everyone's too interested in LSB and Vayne to look at Xatalos. Look at my filter. I've called attention to him plenty of times.
2) He calls multiple people scummy or bad and discredits them. Read the last couple of pages in his filter. Me, kush, Grack, Vayne (+ he has the contradicting read on him in the same post). Also his read on Cora changes weirdly in the middle of N1. He has no intention to figure out any of those people's alignment, he just calls them scummy or bad and does not even explain the reasoning behind it. Just look at his filter, people have "extra info" or "are working under scum mindset" but never he explains why.
I was making the post including Vayne as I went along through the thread. I reread the case of JJD on Vayne during the creation of the post and forgot I mentioned him before because I hadn't paid much attention to him beforehand. My read on Cora doesn't change weirdly; I spotted some strange things in Cora's filter brought to my attention by HF, but could later explain them from a town perspective after reconsidering it. I've been focussed on trying to get Xatalos lynched on whom I have a strong scumread. The fact that no one's willing to listen frustrates me and it's eating into my appetite to playing the game.
3) He calls nearly all the Spaghetticus votes bad, but then he hadn't even read how the votes went down and why as he couldn't explain which votes in particularly were bad. Then he just paints them as bad and doesn't look more into them but magically Xatalos' voting behavior ends up in his case. There is no reason Xatalos' vote should have been any more scummy than other "bad votes".
That was an offhand presumption. If you think townies never make them then I don't hold your opinion in high regard. Xatalos' vote was poor because of other circumstancial reasons, such as his scumreads voting for it and because he even gave spaghetti a townread earlier on.
He is not trying to find scum and just calling people scummy or bad left and right and not explaining why.
Definitely mafia. I don't like lynching vayne, i am pretty sure he is town. LSB is a bad lynch too i think, he's playing better than he did in PYP at least post-qualitywise. He is explaining his reads and while the methods are a bit... interesting, i don't think there is anything scummy in it.
Artanis is the best lynch today.
##Vote: Artanis
Nope, Xatalos is. Does anyone finally want to talk about him?
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On December 15 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can talk about Xatalos but you need a different approach. I have already answered your case on D1 and the case is practically the same, besides his vote on Spag. I don't think that alone makes him mafia.
You didn't think Mocsta was mafia for his strange suspicion on Spaghetticus either in LXIII. I think my case illustrates why Xatalos is mafia without the fluff.
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On December 15 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 03:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can talk about Xatalos but you need a different approach. I have already answered your case on D1 and the case is practically the same, besides his vote on Spag. I don't think that alone makes him mafia. You didn't think Mocsta was mafia for his strange suspicion on Spaghetticus either in LXIII. I think my case illustrates why Xatalos is mafia without the fluff. Yes i did not think Mocsta was mafia until he went on and shot StorrZerg. I told him his case was not good but i could have seen town!Mocsta do that case. Maybe i am just shitty in reading him. Can you do/answer the following: 1) Give me the reasoning why Xatalos is mafia. I promise you i will be reading his filter and tell you what i think. 2) Do you think you can get Xatalos lynched today? If not, could you give at least 2 people who you think are mafia, with reasoning, not only saying they "work under mafia mindset" or "are bad or scum". Like actually explain why something means something to you. If you are town it's really hard to tell atm because that's honestly what you are doing in your reads on about ~half of the people in this game.
Sure. Can you answer me why you were unwilling to talk to me earlier because you considered me scum when that read hasn't changed, yet are willing to do so now?
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On December 14 2013 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. On December 13 2013 05:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Speaking of Xatalos. I'll repeat my points on him again, with a few bonus ones for good measure.
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Could we please lynch this scum already?
Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. I don't like this post. Artanis played with Rayn earlier and saw that he got lynched as town for switching reads too much and Artanis is a good player. Can you explain why Rayn is scum for being careless and for other people carelessness is a townie trait? I want to see some better reasoning for why you believe Rayn is scum; otherwise, you are just slinging shit.
Because I felt Rayn was doing it without a townie thought process behind it. I saw no reason for him to randomly suspect Plutarch for one, when he's been so townie otherwise. HF did that to me when he was scum in our QT; randomly suspecting me even though he knew I was a claimed vigilante and practically confirmed town. Suspicions like that reek fake to me. However, with Rayn's recent posts my suspicions on him have faded. His suspicion on me feels real.
Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 13 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not answering you anything because you are scum.
The post i am talking about proves it. I'm glad you know alignments for certain Rayn. I wish I had that kind of knowledge. Then again I'd be scum then. lol like this. This is terrible. I really don't like Artanis' game long push on Xatalos. It's all based on Xatalos being overaggressive and attacking everything that moves, which really isn't how I think scum would play. @Artanis, can you give me your thoughts on Rayn's case on Purple from all the way back at the start of day1. I want to hear what you thought about that then.
Wasn't the case on Purple like half a day into D1? I must admit I didn't pay much attention to it. Reading it now, I like the points in it. I'd need to reread Purple's filter to give you my opinion on him today though, but from the D1 posts I consider him decently scummy.
Old reasons for suspecting Xatalos:
-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him.
-First said I might've had a good point on him that he started too fast, then proceeds to OMGUS me later despite nothing having changed. Slight town read at first, then suddenly switches to scumread and then top scumread.
-Randomly unvotes me in favour of Purpletrator despite him not having gained any traction either. First tunnels me into oblivion, then randomly stops giving a shit from one moment on the other. His interactions with me make no sense and he seems to care more about what town thinks of them then actually convincing anyone.
-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti.
Since then:
-Makes a post with a big push on me, then goes on with the order of the day. Doesn't force anyone to pay attention to the case he made. He brings it up sometimes but in a very casual way and doesn't force people to look at it when it's ignored.
-Wishy-Washy thing on me made absolutely no sense when he had a wishy-washy stance on me himself. I'm the scapegoat for his plans. He doesn't actually wants to lynch me because he knows I'll flip green, so he finds any reason he can to try and paint me red. The worse the reason, the better as it won't actually convince anyone.
I don't know if I can get Xatalos lynched but I sure hope so.
+ Show Spoiler [fluff] +On December 15 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 15 2013 03:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can talk about Xatalos but you need a different approach. I have already answered your case on D1 and the case is practically the same, besides his vote on Spag. I don't think that alone makes him mafia. You didn't think Mocsta was mafia for his strange suspicion on Spaghetticus either in LXIII. I think my case illustrates why Xatalos is mafia without the fluff. Yes i did not think Mocsta was mafia until he went on and shot StorrZerg. I told him his case was not good but i could have seen town!Mocsta do that case. Maybe i am just shitty in reading him. Can you do/answer the following: 1) Give me the reasoning why Xatalos is mafia. I promise you i will be reading his filter and tell you what i think. 2) Do you think you can get Xatalos lynched today? If not, could you give at least 2 people who you think are mafia, with reasoning, not only saying they "work under mafia mindset" or "are bad or scum". Like actually explain why something means something to you. If you are town it's really hard to tell atm because that's honestly what you are doing in your reads on about ~half of the people in this game. Sure. Can you answer me why you were unwilling to talk to me earlier because you considered me scum when that read hasn't changed, yet are willing to do so now? I think it was yesterday? I made quite a faceplant when i was walking home on Thursday. I look like a fucking mosnter and didn't feel quite well yesterday..  Aww, hope you feel better soon man.
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On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not. I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum.
What the? I could lynch you for this post right now.
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On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not. I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum. What the? I could lynch you for this post right now. you won't trade 1 for 1?
The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me.
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On December 15 2013 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:
What did you see in Rayn's day1 purp case that was pushing a scum agenda?
Loaded question that'll give him an option to make LSB look scum regardless of his alignment.
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