On December 15 2013 19:47 kushm4sta wrote:
the reason to do that as town is to troll. i am very familiar with this reason and it's highly possible.

Hey who do you think could be mafia atm? I like your new style of giving out reads much more than compared to your play before, but i would also like if you had some scumreads at some point.

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 10:59 GMT

#2411

I was just about to say Slam/Vayne/Artanis is where i am atm...

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 11:04 GMT

#2412

Actually one thing Plutarch. tbh if Slam and Vayne are both scum why would Slam voteswitch in the end? There is no way he's gonna get a townie lynched, why would he do that?

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 11:16 GMT

#2414

That's my point. The vote switch cannot possibly achieve anything from scum pov. If he switches to Vayne and Vayne is scum he risks losing a better role than vanilla scum. If he switches to someone else he still risks Vayne getting lynched if someone from town switches votes and he effectively makes himself look bad in any way.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 11:17 GMT

#2415

If Vayne is town though he does not contribute towards scum lynch but he does not contribute towards town lynch either, so it could be a possibility that Slam was mafia if Vayne is not. But i don't see them both being scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 11:25 GMT

#2418

On December 15 2013 20:22 Xatalos wrote:
Btw rayn, how would you say Artanis affected the purple lynch? I'm rereading through the events and I don't really see as big of an impact from him as I thought. Basically it seems to be mostly your own doing. Artanis did cause you to switch from XigXag to purple, but that's about it for his contribution to the lynch (besides his vote).

Obviously without Artanis's vote VA would have been lynched instead of purple, since it was only a matter of one vote in the end... Still, I'd say that

A) if VA is scum, Artanis has a very good chance of flipping scum
B) if VA is town/SK, Artanis has about an average chance of flipping scum (much less than if VA is scum, but it could still be a clever play by him)

As i said i think when i was able to convince Plutarch to join the purpletrator lynch i think it's reasonably to assume other people will join asewll so i don't really think the votes after that matter too much alignmentwise. Unless Vayne is town and the wagon is scumfree - which (both of them being true) i can't possibly believe.

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 11:29 GMT

#2420

Hmm.. I gotta re-read the last minutes. I think if i remember correctly Vayne thought he got lynched.

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 12:32 GMT

#2424

On December 15 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone thinking purple is scummy but noone wants to lynch him?

On December 15 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On December 15 2013 05:27 Alakaslam wrote:

On December 15 2013 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On December 15 2013 05:10 Alakaslam wrote:

On December 14 2013 03:24 purpletrator wrote:

On December 14 2013 03:10 Corazon wrote:
Yeah I'm done playing this game. HF was scummy and all you idiots calling me out for shooting him don't understand what you are talking about.

I'm just gonna vote Xatalos until he dies and then Plutarch. Later.

I cannot fathom how angry you must be all the time if you are unable to take a step back and consider that HolyFlare LITERALLY flipped town. He thinks you were scummy. Regardless of how you PERSONALLY felt about his attacks, his actions were TOWNY.

END OF DISCUSSION.

Now, if you want to explain your choice of shot based on you having a town PM and a scum-read on Holy, thats fine in retrospect. However, for you to continue to claim that Holy was scummy and expect us to believe that in the slightest is ridiculous and you should rethink how you portray yourself to the town from here on.

You are "confirmed" town. There has been no counterclaim. You have the greatest motive to have shot HolyFlare, you claim to have done it and an "ass-bullet" has been reported. All these things point to you being confirmed town. Despite all this, Plutarch is STILL townier than you are, and he's only semi-confirmed.

On December 14 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I could get behind Artanis lynch. He says i have some information i should not have, does not explain it at all, does not address my case on Plutarch at all, but instead accuses me because of it (i don't even know what the hell). Definitely a good lynch. Then we can lynch Plutarch who makes 2 different reads from same posts.

Your case is bad and you should feel bad. You're also scum, so you should feel bad. Nice try rayn. You're probably the only player in the game who could reasonably push Plutarch and not get lynched for it. Except you're going to get lynched for it..

Since no one wants my friendship points, Holyflares last post while alive

On December 13 2013 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
Cora just copied half the shit i wrote in my vote analysis post, claims I'm scum. I'm going to die tonight plu is ma fwend.

Lynch cora, artanis, xatalos, bum, grack most of those are scummy

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

Haha Rayne please remind me how u aren't OMGUSing, no offense I swear

I am not OMGUSing...
Do you think "you are bad and you should feel bad, also you are scum" would somehow make me scum?

Oh I know. I'm not sayin he is right. Just saying, remind me what your actual motives are, especially now that I'm not seeing it I want to know...

My case on D1.
Then he's done nothing but shitflinging on D2.

This is why i did vote for purple. And the fact that i did not think either of Vayne / LSB would flip mafia. Artanis was not happening.

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 12:39 GMT

#2426

On December 15 2013 21:35 Plutarch wrote:
Can you agree Rayn that the Slam vote on XigXag could have come from a confused and panicked scum whose buddies got wagoned at the last second?

Yes i can. I just do not know if it really di. I am not sure tbh, but i agree that's a possibility and not even asmall one, especially considering his behavior after the lynch.

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 12:47 GMT

#2427

On December 15 2013 08:04 sidesprang wrote:
Only conclusion atm that i feel good about is that

IF vayne = town -> artanis = town.

Alakaslam deffo seem a bit wierd with how much he changed his vote and that late vote off from purp, but you can also see at one point he gave purple the lead. So it's a bit confusing why he would do that as scum.

Oh and BTW, Please feel free to double check it. Tho the count I have in the sheet do seem to make up to the same as the mods counted.

Btw this is pretty weak considering he put a shitton amount of work in making the vote-switch-tally.
Like he does all the work and then says "if vayne is town artanis is most likely too and idk about alakaslam"..

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 13:03 GMT

#2431

On December 15 2013 21:55 Xatalos wrote:

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Yeah, that's a pretty weak result from the "big vote analysis"....

But what do you think of that result? I think it's pretty correct. If VA is scum, then Artanis is pretty likely as well. But it seems significantly less likely if VA is town. I also asked you a question about Artanis's behaviour earlier.

I think i answered it. Artanis did not affect me in voting for purple.
In fact after i did vote for purple Artanis didn't seem like he wanted to lynch purple at all lol.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 14:18 GMT

#2442

Grack busses as hell.
I don't have much time now, i'll look at everything talked about before the deadline though and give my opinions.

raynpelikoneet

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December 15 2013 14:20 GMT

#2445

On December 15 2013 23:18 Xatalos wrote:

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Because he was very eager to jump on the VA bandwagon at the end of D1. Well, they *can*, but it's not very likely that they are IMO.

I suggest you look at LXIII and what Grackaroni did as mafia. He basically bussed his whole team and vice versa.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 14:22 GMT

#2446

In Golden Sun he also bussed Blazinghand all D1 until the very last moment and got away with that bullshit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 14:26 GMT

#2448

I need to look at that too in more detail but i found that very weird since afaik everyone else who elaborated on that matter found purple suspicious of what i said.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 15:24 GMT

#2473

Xatalos how would you play if you were SK?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 15 2013 16:00 GMT

#2476

But you are quite frinedly, besides towards Artanis.

That's kind of an interesting scenario Plutarch is proposing, from all the view points. First of all i think that's apossibility that he is right, second i dunno why would he propose that now, during the night, and not at the last moment? I really do not know how SK should be playing at least considering their shots are obvious like other kills too. I havn't really thought about it at all.

Plutarch why did you think it's a good time to analyze who is SK now?