PYP: League of Legends Mafia

On November 30 2013 00:19 supersoft wrote:
4 am will be impossible for me to be around though...

On November 30 2013 12:19 Koshi wrote:
I'll take a gambit and ##vote: twisted fate

ps: I am totes vanilla town

On November 30 2013 12:26 Rean wrote:


Technically I suppose you could, numbers are made public I believe. But good luck getting people to agree it.

##Vote: Graves
His ability serves no purpose to town at all.

Is it encouraged to roleplay as the player we were assigned?

On November 30 2013 18:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm actually keeping notes this game at least early on. Here they are atm:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 30 2013 19:17 supersoft wrote:


Yeah sure, you're calling sandroba scum! Do you realize, that he's the one who came up with the most reasonable and protown post so far? nvm. That's not how you play as town. You just flood the thread again right?

On November 30 2013 12:57 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone, it's nice to be back. I've made a list of heroes that are pretty useless in the hands of town and pretty strong in the hands of mafia:
Amumu
Evelynn
Graves
Morgana
Nocturne
Shako
Talon
Tryndamere
Yorick


Out of these the 3 I want to face the least are Yorick, because hiding alignment is too powerful and can cause a lot of confusion; Graves because eliminating alignment reversal can make a red check reliable; Tryndamere because of possibility of mass killing.
What do you guys think about it?

On November 30 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So saying things like "framer is good for scum but useless for town" is pro-town? okay...

On November 30 2013 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think everything in that post is either general advice or wrong.
We should definitely ban framer and janitor, that's a no-brainer.
I do not get why people want to ban KP-roles. They are good in town's hands and in addition with tracker/watcher or cops they help the town even if scum are able to pick them. Dirsct KP towards strong townreads -> most likely scum. Lynch scum with a KP role that has been used towards someone -> town-read. etc etc.

I don't think anything in that post is good or pro-town.

Do you have any reads atm supersoft? I would like you to comment on my greens/reds and if you have something to add on other people.

On November 30 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense.

On November 30 2013 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft, about your post about banning Talon; Why do you want to ban that role over other anti-town roles? Especially considering this was pro-town:

No Talon here in top 3..

On November 30 2013 12:33 supersoft wrote:


same applies for talon. I guess we should just ban out these obvious antitown heros, because lowranked scum will want to take them

On November 30 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote:

Don't really buy this, one of my only memories of you pushing a case on someone was you mislynching a town VE (as town yourself) in LV.

On November 30 2013 20:33 marvellosity wrote:

Pretty sure BC in LXIII had the most reasonable and pro-town posts according to you as well

On December 01 2013 01:06 geript wrote:

1. jcarlsoniv
   
2. onlywonderboy
   
3. Rean
   
4. JonnyLaw
   
5. ticklishmusic
   
6. gtrsrs
   
7. OdinOfPergo
   
8. Roffles
   
9. BloodyC0bbler
   
10. VisceraEyes
    
11. Risen
    
12. Kenpachi
    
13. Bill Murray
    
14. Kurumi
    
15. geript
    
16. StorrZerg
    
17. supersoft
    
18. austinmcc
    
19. raynpelikoneet
    
20. Mig
    
21. Mocsta
    
22. bumatlarge
    
23. Oatsmaster
    
24. jaybrundage
    
25. nyxnyxnyx
    
26. Koshi
    
27. marvellosity
    
28. justanothertownie
    
29. sandroba
    
30. Meapak_Ziphh
    

Might be worthwhile later.

On December 01 2013 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote:

Posts like this make rayn deserve all the shit he's so tired of getting. Worthy of my ire, worthy of my ignore button, but not worthy of a lynch. <3

On December 01 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

Vehemently. He also is reading /me/ as scum so obviously I'm taking all of rayns "reads" with a grain of salt.

On December 01 2013 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm catching up and keeping up simultaneously - it's a weakness.

On December 01 2013 02:25 Kurumi wrote:
How come you missed Warwick as a Mafia champ, assassin always is crazy good at hands of mafia since they know the alignment. Rammus is scary as well if Mafia gets a good composition.

How much HP does everyone have? How much damage is actually "damage"?

On December 01 2013 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lol so attacking rayn = defending you?
What do you think about rayn and Sandro?

On December 01 2013 11:34 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Geript seriously, you need to tone down that kind of talk.
That sounded like a border-line personal attack.

What other than Soniv lurking hard this phase and disliking Rayn makes you think he is scum?
You should post this instead of directed attack that isn't doing anything.

On December 01 2013 11:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
@Supersoft:

Yes. I'm obv scum.
We should lynch Odin D1.

I'm soft defending people Soniv because he has like ... 6? something post since this game started? Oh yes. I'm going to call him scum because of it? No, I'm going to prod Soniv to go back and come up with a better reason than "It's easy".

On December 01 2013 20:50 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I never played a PYP game before I thought we send in draft numbers another phase. I didn't realize we had to ban and send in draft.

So far I think Rayn is town. I dont like marv. I have been in games with him where he plays an amazing scum. I would be totes fine with lynching him. He doesn't seem to care much and knowing how good a mafia player he is. He wont incriminate him self easily

On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS pretty scummy

On December 01 2013 02:11 supersoft wrote:
yes i know. but this banning discussion is terribly boring... i wanted to join this game day2... that's why i didnt replace in immediately.
Another aspect. Oats is so calm and somehow reasonable.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Oatsmaster

he's actually even defending me a little (even though he didnt really read my posts).

Your thoughts?

On December 01 2013 22:07 Mocsta wrote:

If SS is pleasant hes prob scum.

Has he been plesaant?

On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

lol what?

On December 01 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote:

I perform less lazily at the start of a game as mafia, this is kinda well documented

so that should make me town, if we're purely going by meta...

On December 02 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:

Why would rayn not pick 1/1? Doesn't make any sense to me. Also how would he KNOW town would pick it?

On December 01 2013 13:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright, this is what I am proposing. The first 6 slots should pick these, in this order.



I think they are too strong not to keep track of, and knowing who they are will give us a lot of power over them, even if they are mafia.

The next roles I believe are very useful for town and not so much mafia.

TOWN
Lux
Jarvan IV
Taric
Karma
Galio
Orianna
Syndra

These are the protective and investigative roles in power order(Mafia nerfed our DTs ) We really want to have all these roles, so I suggest the next 7 slots take them. This does make them susceptible to KP so here's what I would do. Flip a coin to determine if you would get the town blue or a vet. This way, mafia would have a rough time killing off our medic/DT section if there is a 50% of them being vets. I would say these roles would do nicely.

Defensive
Dr. Mundo
Fiora
Garen
Mordekaiser
Poppy

I think Galio and Taric are already naturally bulky and protective, so they don't need to RNG. The slots below this can do whatever. Vig, Vet or even checking a role done before. WoS said there are hidden abilities for every champ, so I don't think there is a downside to going for weaker roles.

I think the last few slots should be devoted to checking picks. Either the power 6, the 5 non-defensive blues, or one of these mafia-sided roles.

MAFIA
Talon
Nocturne
Shaco
Amumu

These are pretty much mafia favored roles (some more then others) so last slots *could* check them. I don't think town would take these roles, so no one would have them except mafia. The last slots have a much worse chance of getting neutral roles like veteran/evasion or vigilante roles so I think it's worth towns while.



That's my rough draft. If people have recommendations or criticisms on numbers/orders or generally better ideas, I'm open to it.

On December 02 2013 08:32 sandroba wrote:
Let me think aloud here for a second. What happens if we all claim which roles we are taking, so it ensures maximum amount of roles for town. That way even mafia has to claim and we all claim what we did (after resolution) for the night as well. That would greatly simplify the game and force mafia to make mistakes with their claims. The trade off is that mafia is going to get what they want and know where the roles are, but with so many different protective roles and unknown abilities pehaps it is a good trade off. A town composed of 100% blues is a monster.

On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:

I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.

However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt

On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:

Everyone roleclaim after roles are given

On December 02 2013 19:50 Kurumi wrote:

Not sure, last time I checked I was an assassin and town, so that list is handy to me, also keeps track of our mass claim?

On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix

Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed.

Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own.

On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:

I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.

However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt

On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:

Everyone roleclaim after roles are given

On December 02 2013 13:16 LSB wrote:
You have chosen Tryndamere!
I can change my position up to 5 players away on the signup list, dealing 50 dmg to each player

EDIT: Due to rules

On December 02 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh, i hate second doubts..
supersoft, you have played in at least one PYP game before. How can you possibly misunderstand how the draft & picking numbers work?

On December 02 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Mig said he was sick so i would not read too much into his absence at least yet.

On December 02 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft do you have anything to add/say about cases on jcarl & gtrsrs?

On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:

what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left.

On December 03 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote:

Can't really believe no-one brought this up yet.

LSB shot up several points on my scumdar for this. I actually think it's kinda insane that LSB picks out rayn as a red-read. Like I'm finding it very difficult to believe.

On December 03 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the deal with LSB:

I think he was scum (or was he SK - anyways not town) in another PYP game where he made the same plan. While the plan is pro-town at some point it became very clear people will not follow it. He continued on hiding behind just stubbornly yelling "yo guys you need to claim" and did nothing else. Good place for scum to hide when they know the plan is not gonna work out anyways, no need to do any actual scumhunting.

Smells like same shit here.

On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games.

Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no?

On December 03 2013 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The point is he called me "earlier mafia now town" in the same post of his.
Another weird thing i just noticed is he claims he has been involved in the game by reading my past games. However he was not enough involved to send in draft numbers.

On December 03 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nope.

On December 03 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am talking about ticklishmusic. apparently you are talking about LSB.

On December 03 2013 22:42 bumatlarge wrote:


Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia?

On December 04 2013 09:32 marvellosity wrote:

It's a "I just got to his post in the thread and it's fucking terrible thing".

His last 3 posts




Last post is almost directly a scumclaim it feels like. I don't know if I'm overreacting.

On December 04 2013 10:05 Mig wrote:
Bum you mentioned earlier that you don't have a scum oriented role. 2 hours before you are lynched would be a pretty good time to claim it.

On December 02 2013 23:27 supersoft wrote:
LBS is scum



I thought about this a little. I think scum was afraid of a massroleclaim in the pick and ban phase. Sandroba was right with his post (100%bluetown etc).

So what did LBS do. At first, he mentioned that scum banned out the detective roles. However that doesnt mean they have no problem with a massclaim. But that's not true. That was just one thing mafia did to keep the damage lower. Maybe they anticipated a roleclaim but as sandroba said. a roleclaim would still have been strong.



then he agrees with BC who is basically against a roleclaim. BUT as a compromise he wants a late roleclaim!!!



and this after-pick-mass-roleclaim looks like the original sandroba roleclaim. But it really isnt' now you have the disadvantages of a roleclaim (free bluesniping) and you DONT have the advantage of a 100% bluetown.


and this fits also in the picture. After he picked Trynda and realized he deals like 0 damage, he claimed and made his pick look harmless.

I will be back later and do some meta research.
Not sure, if we should lynch him today...

On December 04 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia

On December 03 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote:
i just reread. Marv, sandro, you said you have a hard time imagine that LBS might do that as scum.
Do you think it's too cocky? Because I thought it might be pretty cocky... Openly pushing a strange plan.
But as i pointed out. It did only look like a variation of the original plan...

On December 04 2013 10:15 supersoft wrote:


I already did:

On December 02 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote:

This is how I view it too - it's not really a secret that what LSB wrote wasn't good or it was anti-town, that doesn't mean it came from mafia though.

If gtrsrs came and posted freely I'd be ecstatic.

Re: austin, you're kinda saying the same thing as me in a different way and you aren't wrong, but I'm not going to lynch him for only that so may as well just wait and see what he does

On December 03 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote:
i just reread. Marv, sandro, you said you have a hard time imagine that LBS might do that as scum.
Do you think it's too cocky? Because I thought it might be pretty cocky... Openly pushing a strange plan.
But as i pointed out. It did only look like a variation of the original plan...

On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.

If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.

But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn.

On December 04 2013 10:33 Mig wrote:
Super, do you want to lynch LSB today? If so can you explain why you think he is the best lynch when earlier you said you weren't certain?

On December 04 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS what is this wishy washy shit. Why arent you pushing a lynch?

On December 04 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:

I agree with this. And I have to go to bed.

If for some reason Mig wants to move off bum because bum posts something else amazing, then maybe listen to him. Otherwise I'm going to leave my vote on bum and cross my fingers.

On December 04 2013 17:52 Promethelax wrote:
[serious]

Super, will I have to start by calling you scum to have you come have a nice conversation with me or will you do it because you wanna be best buddies and wreck scum?

[/serious]

On December 05 2013 11:34 jaybrundage wrote:

He could be bored town. I just think its more likely that hes mafia. While this is a more on the fly gut read cause I only briefly went thru his filter. It's a read nonetheless.

On December 05 2013 11:47 Promethelax wrote:


I disagree with your conclusion. What logic are you applying to jay to find him scummy?

On December 05 2013 13:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so.

I want to lynch supersoft.

Dude has been a non-presence all day longs in terms of voices rising in suspicion of others. He's posted, he's even had opinions about some stuff. But the town supersoft I have played with in the past pretty strongly identifies as town just by how he scumhunts - aggressive and active. And it's hard to replicate as scum because he says things that make it very obvious that he's reading the thread - all of it. There's been nothing like that and I think he should be today's lynch.

##Vote: supersoft

I won't be responding to cases against me. They're wrong, I'm town, and I'm proceeding with this game as if I were confirmed town and my opinions will be viewed by all as honest free of malicious intent. If you want to lynch me, you're going to have to do it by yelling louder than me. I have nothing but time on my hands.

On December 05 2013 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Listcheckers are banned. They are quite imba.

On December 06 2013 02:37 Koshi wrote:
FFS I had a giant case on scum supersoft and I deleted 50% of it. 50% I still have emailed to myself. Funny part is I still have the part why supersoft could be town that I figured out at the end of my case. So I am going to believe this is Gods Will and I am going to conclude supersoft is town.

Here is what is left from my case. It was pretty huge before this.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 06 2013 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:

I like this post except for the balance speculation.

I like Onegus case too. Good thing I decided not to pick that role btw - I had thought about that.

On December 06 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:

Hm, I thought the Prome kill was smart. He really made an impact and Sandro wasn't as convincing as he is now (to me at least). The only good target besides Prome was marv and people were directing docs on him. Maybe Promes reads were better too.

On December 06 2013 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Hm? I said I liked it?!
I am just not a fan of your vet-balance-theory.

On December 06 2013 13:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
I expect austin to pull some sick shit regardless of alignment. We may get to lynch a lurker this cycle. ^^

On December 06 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote:
ve is scum
mig is town
Onegu is scum
austin is scum

those are the power players on the scumteam. probably have a couple afkers/semiafkers on there as well.

On December 02 2013 09:03 austinmcc wrote:
Mass claiming requires everybody to cooperate, and has no way of determining whether mafia didn't cooperate with something or stubborn/fun-seeking townies didn't. Look at crap like people always wanting inventor, or wanting a specific champ this time around (there have been a couple "i'm picking my favorite champs"). Also, it's close to deadline and you won't get everyone to post/agree.

I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan.

On December 04 2013 11:52 austinmcc wrote:
Nope. I ain't even korean.

On December 06 2013 20:12 Koshi wrote:
Is Risen a scum townplayer? I see him as scum just pick something that would make him look good.

On December 06 2013 20:49 Mocsta wrote:
If scum picked a healer, do you think they would be brazen enough to admit it + claim the heal?

On December 03 2013 10:35 Risen wrote:
I've been convinced to claim. Not having access to much of what each role can do limits the value of everyone claiming, but I hadn't considered the value of trackers when thinking about what mafia could do as far as doctor/roleblock.

I am Karma, the Enlightened One! OdinOfPergo you have no one to blame but yourself for not picking someone different. I told you not to pick her.

On December 06 2013 22:03 kushm4sta wrote:


HUH?

On December 06 2013 23:37 austinmcc wrote:
I think that when I'm absent, I should post thoughts. There are thoughts on a mass claim plan. Always proposed, never carried out. Do you think my sentiments in that post seem legit? I think it makes sense to post thoughts on mass claiming as either alignment, so yeah, makes as much sense as scum as it does as town.


Insecure? Please. I can handle that dude all day. Oh. -ure, not insec. Nope. If someone is going to "can i ask you something" WITH A SMILEY, and then ask "are you mafia?", I'm not just going to say "No." Gotta have a little fun back. Also, still not korean.

On December 06 2013 23:51 ticklishmusic wrote:
Damn everyone has different reads, time to put all this shit together to try a pattern or some sort of deviation.

Super care to explain your read on me?

On December 01 2013 03:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
So I'm noob to TL mafia, but shouldn't we be focusing more on bans than discussing "omg this vet behavior must be scum"?

I agree with whoever said that we should probably just not ban Graves/ Talon/ obvious mafia roles and just lynch people who pick them. There are a couple combos for Mafia that are pretty nasty that we should bust though, like the Ashe + WW that was mentioned.

So in any case, I'll:

## unvote
## vote ashe

for now

On December 03 2013 16:11 ticklishmusic wrote:
And another cuz I need to boost dat post count

Its like 3AM and Im going to bed. I'm new to TL Mafia, so I need to do a lot of background reading for past games instead of just clogging the thread with random stuff like I do in the TLLOLOTT so I'll be posting pretty infrequently. Might ramp up if 1. I don't die and 2. I get the hang of this filter thing.

On December 04 2013 04:03 ticklishmusic wrote:


at first it was because i was new to this kind of mafia and didn't understand 100% how everything worked. and then it was kind of that i was too lazy to strategically plan out what place i wanted, because i didn't actually care all that much about what champ i got. since it was the end-ish of thanksgiving break for me, i've also been travelling around a lot-- i've been ramping up my posting and reading a lot more since.

i have never played a mafia game this complicated (to clarify because i'm sure you're going to grill me on this, i've played a lot of more traditional mafia before) so i would have been perfectly fine with being vanilla townie/mafia/doctor/whatever straightforward role so i could focus on just analysis.

/shrug

On December 06 2013 16:09 ticklishmusic wrote:


My activity is spotty, but I'm definitely posting more casually and frequently as the game goes on and I get more comfortable. I'm also becoming slightly more invested with every post I make.

On December 07 2013 01:36 Roffles wrote:

If it makes you happy, I'll vote for myself.

Back to stealth.

On December 07 2013 01:37 supersoft wrote:


wtf.

On December 07 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so one of MZ & Mig is lying here most likely.
JonnyLaw how much HP do you have?

On December 07 2013 02:17 LSB wrote:
@Chezinu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&currentpage=183#3658. There are many things we can bank on, yet with conflict and strife our only recourse, it is better to make peace and learn.

@Roffles, this is just straight up ridiculous, do you actually intend to play this game?


I would also like this cleared up. Meepak or JohnnyLaw, do you have 875 hp?

On December 07 2013 02:19 sandroba wrote:
Also fuck this game. And fuck whoever is scum, you are too good or simply not playing the game. I'm considering lynching Mig unless he tells gives me a case on scum. Day 1 he did a pretty good post on bum which I was already going for and was town. I want to see something original from Mig, it's about time.

On December 07 2013 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I wasn't PM'd at all about this so I assumed it missed me. I guess my lack of reaction comes from the fact that I was never notified I was hit and didn't really realize what happened until just now when I went back to confirm the numbers that you mentioned. I haven't given Mig much thought this game and when I filtered him just now I don't think his shot is really alignment indicative either way. Like it's marginally protown he claimed his kp but I found his reasons to be really weak, especially since he never mentioned me until after his shot.

Perhaps I'm flattering myself but I thought I fell into a category of likely to get hit because I wasn't likely to get protection so I decoy'd then. I doubt I'll get hit tonight given the suspicion on me and I still have one more use so I don't think a N1 decoy was bad at all.

On December 07 2013 02:27 sandroba wrote:

I'm getting really annoyed that this thread doesn't get anywhere and there's 100 pages of pure trash.

On December 07 2013 02:30 sandroba wrote:

I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum?

On December 07 2013 02:37 LSB wrote:

Honestly that's why I like to play games or host games that are centered around Night Actions and KP has serious significance. However with the new mafia game quene it takes forever before I can host a game.

On December 07 2013 00:49 austinmcc wrote:
Anyway, I'm out for today. Back sunday afternoon EST or so, will be catching up but will be around and active then.

On December 07 2013 02:49 Chezinu wrote:
So, sandro believes MZ's clone has 825 hp? How long does this clone last for?

On December 07 2013 02:52 sandroba wrote:

The meta comparisson is pretty good actually. The other game you lynched kush indeed called a bunch of people town, but was pretty adamant with his scum reads as well. Something that is missing from this game as compared to the other is that he always proposes possible scum along with his current townie reads.

On December 03 2013 00:51 kushm4sta wrote:


thanks!

kurumi:
-He has a lot of thoughts from a mafia perspective, like what heroes are the best for mafia.
-Refers to the last PYP, which is a safe discussion topic for mafia.
-Mechanics focused discussion about massclaiming (more excusable in pyp i guess)
-light suspicion on mocsta. It's really generic and lacks substance.

-this is only real content post. Notice the overfocus on warwick. On 3 out of 4 people he has no opinion at all. On MZ he give a meta scum read but immediately discounts it and says MZ can be read later because he posts a lot. Also his thing about the chainsaw defense is just lolz and makes no sense.

KURUMI: SCUM


JCARL: TOWN

GTRSRS: TOWN (tooscummytobescum)

On December 06 2013 06:06 kushm4sta wrote:
i think mig is scum, austin is scum, ream prob not scum. Not quite buying sandrobas ream/austin connection theory but it might be right.
this isn't really an explain my reasons post, but more of a this is how I will use my vote post.

On December 06 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote:
ve is scum
mig is scum
austin is cum

those are the power players on the scumteam. probably have a couple afkers/semiafkers on there as well.

On December 06 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote:
mafia list 2.0
sandoba
mocsta
ss
jcarl

On December 07 2013 02:58 sandroba wrote:
@SS these are a bit different from the other game, and started to happen after I've called him out on it. Did you read the filter LSB posted?

On December 07 2013 03:00 supersoft wrote:


no not yet. wait a minute.

On December 07 2013 02:58 sandroba wrote:
@SS these are a bit different from the other game, and started to happen after I've called him out on it. Did you read the filter LSB posted?

On December 07 2013 03:07 kushm4sta wrote:
im playing in a different way this game than how i normally play. Ive basically given up try to read the whole thread, and I only read stuff on pages where I talk. Then I go back and look at filters people or cases direct me to.

On December 07 2013 03:09 supersoft wrote:


this is exactly how scum plays. sorry. this is the definition of scumplay. rofl - WTF

On December 07 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'll take care of that. I use the lightning rod on him.
All other protective roles should protect assets like sandroba/VE etc..

On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues.

On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role.

On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Are you drunk?

Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours.

On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB

For the love of all that is town

Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting

On December 05 2013 00:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also I looked through roffles's filter and its complete shit. He is needlessly aggressive and displays a disturbing amount of apathy towards this game.

On December 05 2013 00:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I don't remember ever playing with roffles so if there's a meta excuse for acting like an ass I wasn't familiar.

On December 07 2013 09:09 Mig wrote:
christ odin what is your issue, the game isnt even very hostile. Regular people should be able to handle this game honestly.

I only have a minute to check in here. I still dont want to vote austin, roffles seems like a cop out where people can vote without getting backlash. Any thoughts about a last minute LSB push? LSB has completely half assed it since he has fallen under the radar.

On December 07 2013 09:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

lol ss I was asked for that analysis because people kept attacking me for my VE read.

On December 07 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fell asleep and just woke up.
austin is too bad to be town, Roffles just doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't make him scum.

On December 07 2013 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't remember reading it.
LSB is scummy as fuck so push looks good.

On December 07 2013 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Guys I'm about to go out to eat, I want to resolve this now, I'm starting to get pissed off again.

I have the same amount of votes as austin who like half the thread has called scum and the people voting me can't even be bothered to actually figuring out why they're voting me. I'm absolutely done hearing about the VE shit. That was D0, if you weren't paying attention then that's your own fault. There is literally no case on me, I've sat here and waited for one so I could defend myself but one never appeared. I wasn't around yesterday, sue me, but I still think I deserve to actually understand why people are voting me.

I'll try and be on my phone.

On December 07 2013 10:01 Koshi wrote:
My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript.
Anyway, they aren't scum.
rayn isn't scum
marv isn't scum.
Mig is being sincere I think and not scum.
supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly.

So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter)

So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one.

Also, I am lacking any other decent read.

Also, you attacked me.

What can I say.

Life is life.

On December 07 2013 10:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft i am not going to look into MZ because there are better lynches like austin.
I don't even know what the case on MZ is (and no, geript's "case" is not a case).

On December 07 2013 09:06 supersoft wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=2

First thing I notice is this whole VE obsession. Even though I mostly agree on the stuff you write, it's too much.
I mean, you call VE town and then you follow that up with way too much analysis on this townie.
From what I remember, VE was never in real trouble. Your contributione was unnecessary.
Unnecessary analysis reeks of scum.

On December 07 2013 09:22 supersoft wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=3

start of the LSB-phase




i like the first 2 posts, the third one is a little bit over the top. Maybe because I think it's going in the wrong direction, because it's not LSB who is the problem, it's the people that claim needlessly....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=4



(+)

page 5++ starts the most recent discussion and stuff...
All in all. This VE obsession and that dialogue with LSB. mh! well.

On December 07 2013 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Guys I'm about to go out to eat, I want to resolve this now, I'm starting to get pissed off again.

I have the same amount of votes as austin who like half the thread has called scum and the people voting me can't even be bothered to actually figuring out why they're voting me. I'm absolutely done hearing about the VE shit. That was D0, if you weren't paying attention then that's your own fault. There is literally no case on me, I've sat here and waited for one so I could defend myself but one never appeared. I wasn't around yesterday, sue me, but I still think I deserve to actually understand why people are voting me.

I'll try and be on my phone.

On December 07 2013 10:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

There is no case on MZ and you want people on austin to explain their votes? wtf man?
austin is useless and only makes connection cases that are bullshit.

are you scum ss?

On December 07 2013 10:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

There is no case on MZ and you want people on austin to explain their votes? wtf man?
austin is useless and only makes connection cases that are bullshit.

are you scum ss?

On December 07 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not my point ss and i understand.
What i don't understand that there are no explanations for MZ votes yet only thing you are pushing for is reasoning for austin votes.

On December 07 2013 10:38 supersoft wrote:


Okay now I get it.

@all: Obviously, I demand an explanation for every MZ vote, too!

On December 07 2013 11:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Where did SS go btw?

On December 07 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:

This post makes me think austin is a mislynch far more than anything that's been posted anywhere.

On December 07 2013 11:45 jaybrundage wrote:

Do you think Marv was scum.

On December 07 2013 11:47 VisceraEyes wrote:

Because it came out of nowhere and I think you're scum and we're 10 minutes from deadline and just a bunch of really little things that culminated with your post.

On December 07 2013 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once

On December 07 2013 11:52 Risen wrote:

What else is new, though!

This post makes me think you're scum trying to drop a wifom bomb before you die.

On December 07 2013 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
lol