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Amumu Evelynn Graves Morgana Nocturne Shako Talon Tryndamere Yorick Out of these the 3 I want to face the least are Yorick, because hiding alignment is too powerful and can cause a lot of confusion; Graves because eliminating alignment reversal can make a red check reliable; Tryndamere because of possibility of mass killing. What do you guys think about it? | ||
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That being said, I really think Talon is a wayn weaker role than many of the others on my list. If imunity to checks is a concern, roles like Morgana/Shako should be banned with way higher priority than it, because they are way more flexible and powerful. However I think roles like Amumu/yorick/graves/tryn can cause way more problems and are more difficult to get around. Nocturne is less problematic because it's a one time use and can still be used to get some sort of info, ideally in the end game if the other info roles get outted and killed. I could be a nice role to leave open and pehaps deny (have them take a risk of getting vanilla if they want to take it) to the mafia and still get something out of it. Anyway I gotta go cya on sunday. | ||
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I'll be voting JC and recommend everyone takes a good look on Bum's case which is the best thing we have going so far. | ||
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I did however read his filter again and I can't find anything in particular that would lead me to believe he is scum. | ||
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Btw I do agree with you that mocsta/mz exchange looks fake and overall mocsta's posts don't look natural to me. @SS I mostly agree with your stuff on LSB, but his behavior has been so erratic that I think we should take a bit more time and see how things fare. I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind seeing the logic of it from a scum perspective too. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote: what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left. Sorry that was me, had the other browser open | ||
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Austin is meta based and due to my expectations of his play. The fact that he hasn't shown up yet increases my suspicion. Mocsta/MZ exactly because of that argument that seems fake as balls. A lot of their posts don't feel quite right to me, just seem fabricated. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote: I'm ok with MZ right now. I don't think he did that much wrong in the Mocsta/MZ exchange. Mocsta just launched himself at MZ in a totally bizarre way. Sure, but the way he acknowlodged it and responded to it without finding it bizarre himself is pretty weird too. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are those two things mutually exclusive? Why could he not have noticed it but still responded to it? Like, he's not here and we don't know what he thinks of Mocsta based on the exchange. Oh wait he did acknowledge that it was weird the way Mocsta was going about it. Actually at the time this post was made I thought it was a pretty exagerated comment and unlike what I've seen of MZ. Then he gives pretty thorough responses like he has something to explain to mocsta at this point. And then they both drop it and vanish from the thread. I don't know, maybe I'm over reading this, but it doesnt feel quite right to me. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:55 geript wrote: @Sandroba. Who are townreads for you right now and why? Not going to bother giving/explaining town reads until i think it's necessary. I'm curious as to why you would ask me of all people that. I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town. | ||
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MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote: Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer LSB, just noticed this inconcistency here. If your plan is to confirm you have tryn to the thread and that you do the damage you said you do (which is pretty useless as a)no one is even doubting you have what you claim b)nobody cares), then why would you call someone that would boost your damage a "friendly helper"? | ||
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And given that ticklish is taric, what are the chances mafia decided to take it so low? | ||
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I think we got a better shot going with jonny. He just seems more bitter when being called out and that's normally how mafia reacts. | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am talking about ticklishmusic. apparently you are talking about LSB. rayn ticklish got taric at #26. What do you think about that? | ||
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-Didn't send in numbers -> points to town -Picked taric at position 26 and CLAIMED it in thread -> points to town Doesn't seem like a reasonable lynch for today, that's for sure | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Do townies not also get bitter when called out? I'm not sure I like what you're selling Sand. Not the same way as he did. "Look I did what you guys told me to and you still think I'm suspicious! That's not fair!" He is not putting forth genuine effort, he is trying to put out fires and getting frustrated. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:44 bumatlarge wrote: I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy. On December 03 2013 12:27 bumatlarge wrote: I never remember LSB being this stupid. He's being incredibly sporadic. I wish I was in on the fun, LSB On December 03 2013 15:46 bumatlarge wrote: Watch LSB have tryndamere ultimate and become unlynchable or something stupid. A lot of dirt throwing on LSB, but never straight out calls him scum for it, he just continues to ride his early post. I don't see a townie doing this like bum is doing. All of these 3 posts I just don't see it comming from a townie ever. | ||
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I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right. Wow Bum how does that make any sense. Village idiot in this game? Suicidal bonus as town, wouldn't he just straight up tell us what it is? Really you seem to be sure he has some hidden agenda and you are banking on village idiot? I think you are bullshitting and trying to keep your story straight. He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me. I have JonnyLaw pegged as town. He was so invested in the ban phase. He aggressively questioned me on my choice of bans, and I think he has a town incentive. A lot of bullshit reasons for thinking JL is town too. Not saying you are wrong about JL, just think you are making up explanations for your supposed reads. On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote: Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify. It's along the same lines as Yorick because we're losing information. Someone more experienced explain the why to me. For now I'm not convinced Urgot is our best choice. On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler + At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. My interactions with him have been far from a scumread. He seems like a potentially strong townie presence. He did vote himself though...(?) | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:10 bumatlarge wrote: Well, you haven't changed I'm guessing . You mean being correct, but lazy to pursue my reads? I guess not. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:42 bumatlarge wrote: Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia? You are defending yourself as a mafia. You are not acting weird, you are acting like scum =). Not sure if LSB is mafia, you may have dropped him trynn, but right now I don't think it is that likely. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:41 marvellosity wrote: oh seems you were right VE. Huh :p Yeah, it must be coincidence that bum finally says that is his explanation after someone in the thread gives him that idea. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote: ? Now you are just flinging dirt sand that was my interpretation of his explanation. I'm not flinging dirt. I'm saying he had 20 min to say what he meant, but he only did it after you posted your interpretation. "Yeah man, what VE said, that's what I meant." That detail doesn't even matter, just his previous behavior should be enough for you to see he is scum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:00 gtrsrs wrote: there are plenty of people in this game that play league? i've been posting on the league sub-forum since it's inception and i recognize less than 10 people in here. imo, i'm doing a huge service to those people who DON'T play league by mapping out likely powers of roles that are in conversation right now. i understand that it's not helping us decide who is scum *yet*, but knowing how these powers work will be critical in winning this game. i don't have any scum reads yet. Hello. I don't know why you think that determining or narrowing down JC's role is of any consequence and I have no clue why you randomly picked this subject to focus your efforts. You say you don't have any scum reads yet? Well, then. I just found something useful for you to do. Go get yourself A GODDAMN scum read, because you have to vote soon and that's what the game is about. Cheers. | ||
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It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum. If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it. If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario. If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it. The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible. But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. | ||
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On December 04 2013 03:53 ticklishmusic wrote: all this damn reading is getting boring. i'm going to start RP-ing Taric and its going to be outrageous. You know, like my gems. Okay I'll stop posting now. I'm pretty sure he has it. | ||
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On December 04 2013 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I prefer if we just remove Tryn AND the scum player playing him. Did you read my post? What problem do you see with my logic? | ||
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On December 04 2013 04:47 bumatlarge wrote: @LSB I am not home, I have a little notebook doc of cool stuff there @Sandroba LSB is dumb stupid and doesn't read the thread. He got lucky as shit. I agree. But you think he is scum and doesn't read the QT nor consults with his teamates either? | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:17 justanothertownie wrote: I don't agree. Obviously bum being scum would fit in well but I don't think it is necessary for LSB to be scum. He is last to pick a champion -> not very likely to get any role. So why not try to get tryndamere who seemed like a very good scumrole? I'm pretty sure scum could have gotten any of eve/amumu/shaco pretty low. Tryn isn't even a good pick for scum since it is pretty obvious when you are using it. Scum likes to not be noticed. They couldn't be 100% sure bum was taking that role because no townie really wants it. Taking a risk with the lowest placed scum doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Good risk/reward ratio. Bum was the one who came up with the whole idea. If bum was town mafia would have a pretty good reason to believe he was taking that role Scum wants to have this role. Town doesn't. He is the last person to pick and chooses to go for it. Go figure. Don't agree that scum wants this role. Will look at bum for real now. Stuff came up... | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:19 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read Bum. I am not convinced he is scum. The only thing that looks really bad to me is how he tried to justify lynching jcarl over LSB. He tried to organize town and was one of the few people with a plan before the rolepicking. I also don't see the reason for him to claim picking tryndamere and not following through as scum. The only instance this makes a tiny bit of sense to me is if he is scum with LSB. If Bum took trynn as scum, he wouldn't ever be able to justify using it. Trynn is actually terrible for scum. It's pretty obivious when you are moving 5 pos and hitting people randomly that you aren't town. And if you don't plan on doing that why take it in the first place? Better to take some concentrated kp to eliminate threats quickly. But if he faked taking trynn and took something else it would give him town cred for never using the ability plus it would allow him to use whichever other role without suspicion. Too bad for him LSB didn't read the thread and randomly took trynn. | ||
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That's my perception, but I'm not 100% convinced he is town either. I'm just pretty damn sure bum is scum and would like to deal with him first. Considering everything I said along with my previous acusation, I believe it is pretty reasonable to lynch bum and then decide on LSB. | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:49 Rean wrote: I pmd the host account hoping they're gonna do something about it but nothing so far >.> Really rean, I think you are reading too much into that Roffles comment. I guess it's ambiguous, but when I read it I thought he meant kill yourself in game, i.e. use abilities to kill yourself and didn't find it that outrageous. | ||
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On December 04 2013 08:13 Mig wrote: VE do you think bum is mafia? You are switching off of LSB just because you are lazy or what? Marv/sandorba any concerns with everyone jumping on Bum without hesitation? Posting over the p h one now so ill be brief. I dont think there was no hesitation. I thought it was p4etty damn hard to get people to vote him and at this point pehaps a few scum moved in on him too. | ||
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supersoft austinmcc kenpachi JonnyLaw (Meapak) LSB might be sk if there is one present. cheers. | ||
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On December 05 2013 15:22 Mig wrote: Under the section that talks about each hero and their role there is a link to a LoL page that shows how much each heroes attack/health is etc. I want a link to that page. Considering you were sick as balls, I'm having a hard time swallowing that you took your sweet time looking trough champs in the league database. Also I'd like to know what does you other ability do. | ||
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Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] - cho JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] - Karma StorrZerg [23][23] - khazix geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] - Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] - Sandroba - [8][2] - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Lux -> VT Onegu [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC justanothertownie - marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] fiddlesticks ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic - Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote: Hoo boy everyone loves to talk about Tryndamere. JAT 'n' odin get townie points for asking LSB why bum not "following his plan" is super duper scummy. I don't get why saying you're going to pick some SUPER OBVIOUS role with KP and then not taking it makes you scum. [spoiler] LSB I don't want to lynch because he poosh his stuff way way way too hard. + Show Spoiler [Also his confirmation plan is sillypants] + However, his magical "I'ma spin x distance and that will confirm me yayayayaya" is bad idea because (1) nobody cares if he's tryndamere or not (sry, ain't nobody sitting going "HOLY BALLS LSB IS WAY TOO FOCUSED ON TRYNDAMERE AND SAYING HE'S TRYNDAMERE. I BET LIKE HELL HE REALLY ISN'T TRYNDAMERE, I'M TOTES GONNA CATCH HIM WHEN HE CAN'T DO TRYND STUFF); and (2) nothing confirms you as tryndamere (other known roles let people move around the list, other unknown roles probably do as well, and we have no way of confirming how much kp spinning slash actually deals. Therefore, moving and doing some damage just means you have a role that moves and does damage, probably trynd, possibly other things, but again nobody cares and don't spin on townies) Sand looks very townie just based on this - + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote: Picks out a read, gives a thoughtful reason why he disagrees, and I agree with his assessment of Kha'zix being a decently high mafia pick if they go for it. Mainly though it's just coming by reads from thinking about the game as a whole.I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. i THINK this post is townie from bum, like...bum can't be scum because of it, but someone needs to argue with meAsking for a partial partial claim (VTs should claim but only this kind of VT) feels like someone who is actually thinking about why he does/doesn't want people to claim. Also, it seems like PYP games often catch some mafia by hunting down a missing role above a VT. Given that this usually works in town's favor from what I remember, I think this post is town. Yar? Don't want to lynch bum. This post is very townie-minded. Even if the rest of his filter is poopy, this keeps information hidden from scum - I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate. This post by austin has bullshit all over. His reasons to think I'm town are pretty weak. His reasons to go against bum's lynch and say bum is town, when he thinks I'm town and he is obviously not invested in the game and should be just sheeping someone he think is town are just terrible. He then throws his vote away on rean without even trying to get him lynched. | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:44 supersoft wrote: screw you sandroba. i am not claiming stupidly only because you say. if you think i am scum, because i was busy for the last days, i can only ignore you. i wont claim unless it's absolutely necessary or i got some results of my nightactions that might be beneficial. screw you back and start playing then, I'm content on lynching austin for now. Look at the shinnies I posted =) | ||
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My guess is that Rean took Kha'six, but got beatten to it by prom. I simply find it hard to believe he would have tried for it that low. That would explain austin mafia biased mindset saying that I'm townie for thinking mafia would take kha'six pretty high, since that was what happen. It's extremelly unreal for someone so disconected from the game pick out that post as a justification of me being town. | ||
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I know it's reaching, that's why I'm pushing austin instead of rean. But his comment on me being town because of my kha'six comment, the austin vote on rean - posting a wrong meta comparison, then rean decides austin is scum today, toghether with the fact that I said kha'six would be taken high by scum and rean delayed a lot to say who he chose all fit together so nice. Seems like a silly bus / fake grudge between those two. | ||
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Your case against austin. People are not inside your head, so pardon us for not crediting you for finding austin. It's incredibly weird too that austin devoted 3 of his extremelly scarce posts to interact with you in such a silly manner. Surely you must realise that this looks iffy. | ||
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Have you filtered yourself? Do you think you are trying to get people lynched? Do you think people can see that by looking at your filter? I just don't understand your frustration when people are finding you suspicious for the same reason you outlined as scummy behavior? | ||
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Mig claims to hit MZ with 125dmg and his ability returned 875hp left. MZ claims he took no dmg. Do you have 875hp left? Chez says correctly that Mig is Cho. He says that Mig targeted JL. JL, do you have 875hp left? Mkfuba hints that Mig didn't hit JL, I read that as Mkfuba hit JL himself. So probably someone is lying here. Please come forth with this information. Also austin, I can't get past the post I quoted from the beginning. I would like a claim from you. And from MZ too. A lot of people have come forth with their night actions and claims. A lot of good town roles are already out there. I don't understand why some of you are being so secretive. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @sandroba: no I have 950, where did Mig claim I had 875? Something is definitely odd here, unless WoS forgot to send me a PM mig is lying or someone completely messed with his ability. Like I decoy'd, there is zero way I could have gotten hit with kp at all. I didn't realize mig claimed he knew my health otherwise I would have brought this up sooner. I can't quote my PM but what's in the OP is accurate. I got no PMs about anything last night. @geript, 7-6 is my record with wukong lol Actually mig claimed 825, so he hit your decoy for 125 and it came back 825, makes sense. I wonder why you don't seem concerned at all about Mig hitting you or being scum? Also what thought process did you go through when deciding to use your ability night 1? | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:23 supersoft wrote: you screw up my plan to let mig himself confirm to be scum :-o I wanted to comfort him and see if he starts doing stuff without pressure... This strategy totally works on you/syllo/palmar/marv/mig :-o I'm getting really annoyed that this thread doesn't get anywhere and there's 100 pages of pure trash. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:24 kushm4sta wrote: Wow really detailed explanation of power usage thought process mz. He seems definitely town from that post alone I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum? | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:32 LSB wrote: Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me On December 07 2013 02:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yo sandroba, LSB is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me? Prove it. I'm all ears. I've read this game a trillion times already and I can't get anywhere. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:43 LSB wrote: All he has been doing is calling people town. He isn't trying to actually find scum, he is trying to make friends so people believe he is a friendly townie. No one wants to lynch someone who defended you right? Or so he thinks My push post is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574 The meta comparisson is pretty good actually. The other game you lynched kush indeed called a bunch of people town, but was pretty adamant with his scum reads as well. Something that is missing from this game as compared to the other is that he always proposes possible scum along with his current townie reads. | ||
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Mocsta said he went for fiddles. You guys better start reading the game. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:52 sandroba wrote: The meta comparisson is pretty good actually. The other game you lynched kush indeed called a bunch of people town, but was pretty adamant with his scum reads as well. Something that is missing from this game as compared to the other is that he always proposes possible scum along with his current townie reads. EBWOP: "The other game you linked, kush..." | ||
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And what do you think about his comeback too. Also I'd like to note that austin can't be VT based on that post. So he has a role and he didn't bother saying what he is or what he did. When there is a huge wagon on you I wonder why you would leave out that kind of information. | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll take care of that. I use the lightning rod on him. All other protective roles should protect assets like sandroba/VE etc.. Don't tell people to protect me. I'm playing mind games with scum regarding my ability =) | ||
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Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick - modkilled VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux - ? jcarlsoniv [9][3] - thresh - gave lantern to rayn Mig [12][1] - cho - hit MZ's clone for 125dmg JonnyLaw [14][11] - ?? Risen [15][15] - Karma - Tried to manson someone, but it didn't happened, claimed roleblocked StorrZerg [23][23] - khazix - Killed N1 geript [24][24] twitch - was fed austinmcc [6][3] - ?? - ?? Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] - Wukong - used clone Sandroba [8][2]- Fiora - playing mind games with scum Chezinu [8][15] - Twisted Fate - used secondary ability - knew mig is chogath Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Lux -> VT Onegu [17][5] - ?? - ?? justanothertownie - ?? - ?? marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim - possibly dealt 125dmg to JL gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] fiddlesticks ->VT supersoft [1][30] - ?? Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen - Protected Koshi kushm4sta - ?? - ?? ticklishmusic - Taric - healed VE Roffles - ?? - ?? Coagulation - ?? - ?? jaybrundage ?? - ?? LSB -> Tryndamere - ?? Updated role list acording to what I have. I left out one that I know, that is not obvious. | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: fyi I have chosen 6/14 like every PYP game I've played iirc. Whoa, why so defensive all of a sudden? | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:03 LSB wrote: The main problem with your idea / draft order reads is that it is too coordinated. Unless you can finger candidates for the mafia mastermind who is organizing the mafia, I have no reason to believe the mafia didn't just pick roles they wanted and made sure they didn't clash. basically, it's pretty high probability that there is around 3 mafia on the top 12 or so. Take a look at the top 12 and tell me who can be scum. | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Firstly @sandroba that's pretty weak. Secondly @mig: why should I be concerned you shot me? You're voting me now, you apparently decided I was scum sometime last night, there are a lot of people I'd lynch ahead of you. Your shot is not a solid tell one way or another because I can make arguments for it being both town or scum. MZ don't you agree that mafia should be higher up on the list on average? I think my top 12 estimative is pretty mild. Looking at those top 12 who do you find suspicious? It's even better to look at that group right now since 2 townies have already flipped from it. | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote: So are you basing this on scum's ability to coordinate their number picks? Yes. Whatever strategy they choose to go with, since they can coordinate their picks and it's in their best interest to get placed high up on the draft list, they are going to be on average placed higher up than the average townie. Given that if it was completely random you would expect on average 3 scum on top 15, I think it's pretty safe to assume that there is a high chance of being 3 scum on top 12. | ||
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geript- given how forth comming he was with his claim and his overall behavior I find it unlikely austin- yes koshi - we are bound to find out eventually suprises me that you left out JL/risen, people I'm unsure about myself | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I had jonny as town early on. Completely forgot about risen but put him on that list as well. Look sandro, that's 5 or six people excluding me and mig who could be scum, I don't see how your theory plays out. Bottom line is I think austin is scum from that post I quoted alone. I don't think his comeback makes him more townie at all. And there is a high probability he is scum given all the people I have my doubts on the top 12 look better than him and that includes you. | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sandro the biggest problem right now is that you're assuming that certain people have to be scum rather than looking at who has actually been scummy this game. Yes I'm assuming a bunch of shit and that's because most people in this game are pretty clueless about who is scum or not. There is simply no focus on this thread and finding scum in this mess is pretty hard. If I could pinpoint someone with 100% acuracy to you I wouldn't be troubling myself with all this secondary analysis. I'm going with what I think is the highest probability to hit scum with this lynch, because that's something I need in order to find the rest of the scum. | ||
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On December 07 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote: Also, the 1 dmg dealt to you worries me, Sandro. Do you have any idea what hit you? Looks like the arsonist role to me and if it is then that person is definitely scum. My guess is that mafia can divide their kp amount freely and hit me with one to test if my ability works on kp. | ||
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If he is town, mafia will prob shoot him and you prob shouldnt make their job easier. If they want him dead let them waste a ton of kp on him. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Supersoft/LSB/Mocsta/soniv/Koshi for scumteam. /ff please coag is not scum ve? | ||
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@jat maybe someone healed rayn and it spilled over to risen | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:15 justanothertownie wrote: If that is the case there should be scum between koshi/mz, yes? How come? My guess would be JL is kassadin. | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: So all the townies who used KP should claim. There is still a lot of unaccounted KP. Mig is not telling what he did (he had a KP-role yes?), that's fishy. I think he is mafia. Nah, mig is a good guy it seems. His actions d2 make no sense for scum mig. | ||
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On December 09 2013 08:53 JonnyLaw wrote: Just got home. It's been a long weekend. I'm catching up on the last 30 pages or so. I'll be with you shortly. How about you claim your role? Almost everyone has done so and would help clear some of the confusion. | ||
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Also I'm not going to be of great use today, coag is guaranteed mafia and I've decided to give myself 2 days off. I'll pick it up again at night, because I'm not guaranteed to live to the next day. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote: COAG IS NOT MAFIA. Think about his story. It is impossible to make up a lie like that as quickly as he did. Alright man, I'm back to killing you at night. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:20 kushm4sta wrote: huh??? his story woulnd't make sense if fuba didn't post right then. He coulnd' thave known about that before hand to make up that story. Why does no one understand what im saying.?? I can't believe you are that slow, he basically claimmed mafia in the thread and is throwing around retarded suspicion on town mig. | ||
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1) I've done nothing of use this game 2) They wouldn't risk hitting me while in riposte when there was no rush to kill me And also ticklish is most likely town anyway, even before taking huge amounts of damage. Btw, I took 100 dmg during the day phase, most likely due to coag's bomb. | ||
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-JonnyLaw -Rean -Roffles -Oatsmaster (LSB) (VE) | ||
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I really don't think MZ is scum given that Coag and JL were not on austin. | ||
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@rayn I've got a town read on koshi due to his eagerness regarding his item creation during the early game. That felt like an excited townie to me. So far his inventions didn't cause any grief to town as far as we can tell. | ||
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Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick - modkilled VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux - ? jcarlsoniv [9][3] - thresh - gave lantern to rayn Mig [12][1] - cho - hit MZ's clone for 125dmg JonnyLaw [14][11] - ?? Risen [15][15] - Karma - Tried to manson someone, but it didn't happened, claimed roleblocked StorrZerg [23][23] - khazix - Killed N1 geript [24][24] twitch - was fed austinmcc [6][3] - VT - ?? Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] - Wukong - used clone Sandroba [8][2]- Fiora - playing mind games with scum Chezinu [8][15] - Twisted Fate - used secondary ability - knew mig is chogath Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Lux -> VT Onegu [17][5] malz - null orb on odin justanothertownie [17][20]- Blueclaim - ?? marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim - possibly dealt 125dmg to JL gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] fiddlesticks ->VT supersoft [1][30] - tf Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta - nothing -> VT - ?? ticklishmusic - Taric Roffles - ?? - ?? Coagulation - ziggs - ?? jaybrundage ?? - ?? LSB -> Tryndamere - ?? | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:38 kushm4sta wrote: i did claim. im PoS vt. All i can do is move people which I haven't done yet. how much can you move someone? We could maybe use this toghether with SS check. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:45 Mig wrote: Btw I have a one shot ability that does extra damage. I think it is possible we could kill someone in 1 night with focused kp but I would like to be sure before using it. You would have to read his entire filter carefully and also notice the reactionary nature of his posts. He is not pushing anything, he isn't antagonizing anyone in particular and isn't sticking his neck out ever. There is not one post in particular that is increbly suspicious, but when you observe how he is taking on the game as a whole, then you notice that he just wants to not be noticed at all. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:46 supersoft wrote: I prefer Rean or gtrsrs over JL tbh but I will contribute my 100kp for the greater good i guess. No you do that check, it will be way better than 100kp on something. | ||
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so get JL's role right now before we shoot him. Maybe it will change things. | ||
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Rean dieing leads me to believe there is probably an SK present in the game, since it doesn't make sense for mafia to kill him and town had a plan to kill JL. Afaik Risen claimed to have forgotten to submit his night action. The 25 dmg you taken could be explained either by scum delivering you 25kp or you taunting a 50 kp ability. Risen and JC have to come in here and explain their shit. | ||
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On December 12 2013 08:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Bring it up with the hosts after the game? You've had me as town for most of the game but you changed your mind because you don't like my second ability? I didnt have you as town for the whole game. True, I thought you argued in a pretty townie way when I said the stuff about you and austin, but really you have had 0 impact in this game and that is something you share with our friend JL that is no longer here with us. Stay clear out of the way and come into the thread to try to save face once called out. That's been the recuring theme for both you and JL, and coincidently you both haven't been after each other so much. LSB is pretty much willing to go wherever the tide is taking him, and the Rean kill fits an SK job like a glove, as well as the tryn pick and pretty much everything LSB is doing, not sticking his neck out, staying under the radar, acting just scummy enough to not be a mafia target. My best pick for SK. | ||
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I muist say that is a strong argument. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:14 Mig wrote: Any concerns about coag/JL both voting roffles day2 sand? Many. Just don't see how we can afford to have this man avoiding modkill and being dead wait forever. For all we know he could be the sk if there is one. I'm sure that if he isn't scum mafia wont get rid of him for us. Maybe a better solution would be to try to shoot him at night but I fear our kp is running short. What do you suppose we do? | ||
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Ill drop my vote now, but I am totally against a 24h day this weekend, since ill only be able to post again sunday night. We understood the risen RB, why in hell are you guys voting him? | ||
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On December 07 2013 11:40 Risen wrote: ##unvote ##vote: austinmcc On December 07 2013 11:41 Risen wrote: Don't like the people on the other two On December 07 2013 11:52 Risen wrote: What else is new, though! This post makes me think you're scum trying to drop a wifom bomb before you die. Risen unvoted MZ and moved onto austin to tip the scales to austin lynch, gave a very lousy justification and even made apparent that he thought mz was scum, but still didnt move his vote. At the time mz was leading and set to be lynched, but geript saved him later. That is a pretty good indicator that he is scum, trying to save his teamate, but leaving a save face comment when he thought he was gone. I'm gonna move my vote to risen because this is pretty incriminating and I don't have the strengh to read any more of this thread today after driving 500km. Mocsta voting patern is pretty nice and I haven't the time to think about him properly yet. Also that fiddles pick gives him some townie points I suppose, since it seems more useful for town than mafia. JayB may still be scum but I'm gonna put my chips on Risen for today. | ||
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First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote jonnylaw First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced. Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. Bumatlarge I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome? I just dont see the point to it other than filler. - I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP. This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all. I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego - I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused - I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental? - His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor. - I dont see where the Geript reads materialised? - I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort. Overall I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning. Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day. Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way. I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well. Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot. ##Vote: Bumatlarge LSB - Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure. I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful. I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play. Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town. This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: On December 09 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote: Nope? Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure. If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial. Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno. On December 09 2013 11:50 JonnyLaw wrote: Mocsta you don't offend me. Your posting style just comes off nervous and pushy rather than leading and convincing. What I said wasn't referring to your pressure. That's fine. Coag could be scum. That's what I said. Roffles could be scum. Voting yourself and throwing out random damage are both scummy. Mig's doing the same thing. Comes in, drops some damage and posts a bit of nothing then leaves. I don't know how to differentiate between the behavior of those three. This becomes more difficult since I don't think kush is scum. He seems misguided but his posts feel genuine, unlike your posting. Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: This game seriously... *I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me. Like fuck this. My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him. don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating. In my opinion: The real question should be: With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle. Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them.... Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle. e.g. Kush or LSB So either Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB} or Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum. So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. On December 12 2013 15:59 Mocsta wrote: Vote (1): Kush - Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required. Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post: This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me. Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured) Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen) However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs. Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1". Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone). Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general. If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later. MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure. Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input. I would seriously consider him as my second vote. But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote. LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort. Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution. I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general. ##Vote: Kush ##Vote: LSB But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:38 justanothertownie wrote: So, in the last game we played together (hogwarts) I could see Mocstas thought process very easily most of the time. Now while catching up I see so many posts I disagree on it is baffling. I don't follow this. If Austin is more valuable in the long run and JL in the short one we should lynch JL based on that logic (good hero). I don't even see why austin is better in the long gain. | ||
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I'm down to oats/ss/jat, by elimination. I really think ss and jat are town so it's gotta be oats, but his 1,1 pick alongside with mocsta is making me nervous. | ||
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Anyway tell me who do you figure might be scum if one of oats/jay isnt scum. Try to do some elimination and tell me what you come up with. | ||
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Risen claimed he would be shielding both rayn/risen or himself. rayn taunts mocsta. Mafia has no way of knowing that unless rayn is mafia. But if rayn is mafia he knew Risen was suppose to shield them and there is no point hitting for 25dmg, as that damage would never be even noticed. So either mafia randomly wasted 25 damage on Rayn or Risen for no purpose (can't be another mafia VT since VTs shoot for 50 and unless taunted the damage should not be halved) or he taunted it off mocsta. That's the only 2 possible explanations and one is way more likely than the other. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:36 justanothertownie wrote: The last post was directed at jay obviously. The question is: why would he tell us the wrong role in the first place? If he claimed caster minion right away there wouldn't even be a problem explaining the dmg. He would because he in case he can't justifiy his previous night shots. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:43 justanothertownie wrote: He could have just shot any anti town player. We had/have enough of them this game. I think this is weak reasoning. He could have but he didnt? He would have to say I shot x on N1 and y on N2. If he shot someone pro town he would look terrible. If he says he shot someone who took damage we can try to sort it out. Not as simple as you make it sound. | ||
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On December 18 2013 06:21 kushm4sta wrote: nah i still know that mocsta is scum. just wat you are saying doesn't make sense If you do, why not enlighten us by sharing your wisdom? And no matter how much you think my case sucks why are you arguing against it if the purpose is to lynch mocsta? And why are you taking so long to place your vote? | ||
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That's the way you would do it if you got mafia caster minion, it doesn't mean that's the way mocsta did it in the previous night. And if you remember mocsta didn't say which type of minion he was when directly asked about it by Odin. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:21 Mocsta wrote: Heres some options: (A) I''m not lying. As already mentioned *I* was hit for 150dmg so I am sitting at 1000hp. Mig can easily do a HP check on me to verify I have >850hp (B) Why do I need to guess what hits for 325HP? I mean, JAT hasn't claimed his dmg yet; and we don't even know the limit of factional KP. This is a stupid question that promotes zero discussion (C) Its safe to assume scum hit sandroba with 1KP; thus, why can't they hit you with 25kp? (D) I could be lying about being a caster VT; and if so, what purpose does this carry if i was scum? I could easily claim caster, and then be all pro-town by hitting people town asked me to. I literaly cannot do anything. (E) You are bullshitting you taunted me. If you did, I would have expected you to auto assume I hit you with 50kp instead of voting Risen. Frankly. I have no idea why you have 25kp dmg, all i know is that I was not he source of it. That's a good point about caster minion having 850hp, one which I had missed but makes sense. That's why inexplicably mocsta got hit by 150 kp by mafia, so he could explain being sitting on lower health if they somehow couldn't kill mig and mig checked him. Mig's check actually does 125 dmg but mocsta says mig can verify he is under 850. Wouldn't that be 875? Why does mocsta have to be under 850? Maybe because he never got hit and his original health is 850. 1) mocsta claims 1k hp and doesnt say which type of vt he is. Makes perfect sense for mafia to lie about that because they actually want to conceal their kp. 2) When realising Mig can check people's HP mocsta suddenly claims right at dawn he got hit by 150, which would put him at 850 health. 3) But then rayn comes in the thread and tells the thread and said he got hit by 25. Obviously mocsta realises what went on and there will be pressure on him. So he can't claim 1k hp melee minion because that's easily verifiable the next night. So he has to change has to claim tank minion, which can't be verified, but if mig still checks him he will see 875 if he actually had 1k. But the number which is stuck in mocsta's head because he knows he has 850 hp is <850, which he would explain by being hit by extra mafia kp if mig actually checked him. | ||
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1)Mocsta realises mig can check people's HP. Claims 150 dmg so he can be sitting at his original HP amount. 2)Rayn claims the 25dmg, mocsta realises what went on and changes his claim to tank minion because that can't be easily confirmed. 3)If mig survives and checks mocsta he and finds 725hp mocsta simply says that he was hit by another 150 and his story can hold. Number 1 point is the only thing that explains mocsta suddenly taking 150dmg, because he is caster minion. Rayn getting hit by 25 is only explained by mocsta being caster minion also so there you have it. It all adds up. | ||
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The plan was too keep the story about originally having 1k hp and now having 850 left, because again, that's his original amount of hp. But when rayn comes and claims 25dmg mocsta has to change his claim and that's why it became so convoluted and mocsta had to say 1.15k and tank minion. That wasn't the plan, he had to adapt and that's why he had to say he said his hp wrong in the first place. | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:38 kushm4sta wrote: JonnyLaw BloodyC0bbler Onegu Mocsta jaybrundage Koshi this scumteam is like what im thinking maybe kush the infamous busser. I guess that's why mocsta got pissed off and stopped posting for a while. | ||
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Now read this last day and you see kush went on criticizing the mocsta lynch until pressure, they were waiting to see if people would switch so kush could say "w/e mocsta townie". SS prob not the last scum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:07 jaybrundage wrote: Well I liked Mocsta's early thread presence. I find his push on MZ and then the frustrate vote on him cause he feels ignored a bit odd. Over all he makes sense and is being out spoken I would say town for Mocsta Now for MZ I find him liking you kind of odd. Well I do have a town read on you VE. I'm not sure if his defending of you is townish or not. Hmm Thinking town actually Yea his way of defending you and seeing that rayn is prolly town as well with a wrong read on you ve, makes me give him a town read. there is this jayb post that looks awful. | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:18 kushm4sta wrote: We definitely shouldn't be killing kurumi. He is probably town IMO. What is the meta that marv said made gtsrs scummy? And other good lynches? On December 03 2013 10:19 marvellosity wrote: I literally linked the games, kush, you really need to just read the thread rather than constantly ask questions that have already been answered. On December 03 2013 10:19 kushm4sta wrote: k ill vote johnnylaw Take notice of the timings here. Kush comes into the thread not knowing anything about any good lynches. Then he somehow reads marv's post on jonny, supposedly filter jonny this game and the other game marv linked and votes jonny within the minute. | ||
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On December 19 2013 17:29 kushm4sta wrote: i mean sandroba maybe you should consult rayne at least? he is pretty familiar with me. kosh is just cray so don't ask him ;p DIE SCUM DIE | ||
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On December 21 2013 02:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: worst case scenario - killing oats gets rid of one dickbag who doesn't care to play the game lol I'm think it's incredibly likely he is scum given how the scum team chose to play this game. | ||
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Voting ss, not sure if i'll be able to post again tomorrow. | ||
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On December 23 2013 06:01 justanothertownie wrote: Sandro can you please explain this change of mind? Before you stated quite a few reasons for your kush scumread. You did not give any for the oats read later apart from "he deserves to die". I have no idea how you can be so sure that it's oats right now. There is a fake looking interaction with SS/oats in day 1 where he calls ss scum and never mentions him in thread again. I'm pretty sure it's oats just by looking at his filter and that's why I dropped kush. He did a few weird things but I guess it was just coincidence. The way he is playing the last few days also looks pretty townie. Jayb prob town too because he helped out with the mocsta deal and SS kept shooting him with cards instead of lets say, oats. | ||
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On December 23 2013 07:47 jaybrundage wrote: I got hit four times with 100 KP. I guess so? The PM's were confusing sometimes. I mean yesterday after SS died. Cuz I'm assuming what finished off JC was a SS' card, but if you got hit it at the end of the last day cycle couldn't be that. | ||
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look at behavior right now. there. | ||
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Let's think about this for a second. You know how your invention works, so do you know for a fact that oats used that shot koshi? | ||
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If that's the case I don't think we can win. | ||
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I ask you because I might be inclined to lynch you tomorrow if oats doesn't die, we lynch him and the game doesnt end. That's because i can't figure out a champion that has this 4x225 ability. | ||
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If he is sk and cant kill 2 of us at night then we still can win. | ||
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On December 24 2013 01:53 Koshi wrote: Oats might have 1250 hp... Still not liking this kitaman then. Evul guy. prob not due to cho claim. Anyway we will see it when he flips. | ||
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Weird game by scum =P | ||
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On December 24 2013 09:05 Mocsta wrote: GG town. I think this game was over from Day1. The only thing that kept us running was Marv being replaced. No1 has discussed this post-game but I thought it made a big difference. Congrats to Kush for never letting go of that read. Kita, there are a few things I would do differently if this game was replayed but you were spot on that scum were all doing their own thing. This game was basically 7 SKs vs town - unfortunately. Marv, I think I chose Fiddlestix cos he was a KP hero that was not being discussed. Mocsta, best scum award goes to you this game imo. Even when I was 99.9% sure you were scum every time you posted you made me go back and reconsider. Gratz. | ||
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