PYP: League of Legends Mafia

On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:

what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left.

On December 03 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
I'm ok with MZ right now. I don't think he did that much wrong in the Mocsta/MZ exchange. Mocsta just launched himself at MZ in a totally bizarre way.

On December 03 2013 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why are those two things mutually exclusive? Why could he not have noticed it but still responded to it? Like, he's not here and we don't know what he thinks of Mocsta based on the exchange.



Oh wait he did acknowledge that it was weird the way Mocsta was going about it.

On December 03 2013 07:55 geript wrote:
@Sandroba. Who are townreads for you right now and why?

On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:

Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer

On December 03 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am talking about ticklishmusic. apparently you are talking about LSB.

On December 03 2013 21:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do townies not also get bitter when called out? I'm not sure I like what you're selling Sand.

On December 03 2013 11:44 bumatlarge wrote:


I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy.

On December 03 2013 12:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I never remember LSB being this stupid. He's being incredibly sporadic. I wish I was in on the fun, LSB

On December 03 2013 15:46 bumatlarge wrote:
Watch LSB have tryndamere ultimate and become unlynchable or something stupid.

On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify.

It's along the same lines as Yorick because we're losing information. Someone more experienced explain the why to me. For now I'm not convinced Urgot is our best choice.

On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote:
Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler +

This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand.

Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is.

On December 03 2013 22:10 bumatlarge wrote:


Well, you haven't changed I'm guessing .

On December 03 2013 22:42 bumatlarge wrote:


Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia?

On December 03 2013 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
oh seems you were right VE. Huh :p

On December 03 2013 22:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
?

Now you are just flinging dirt sand that was my interpretation of his explanation.

On December 04 2013 02:00 gtrsrs wrote:
there are plenty of people in this game that play league? i've been posting on the league sub-forum since it's inception and i recognize less than 10 people in here. imo, i'm doing a huge service to those people who DON'T play league by mapping out likely powers of roles that are in conversation right now. i understand that it's not helping us decide who is scum *yet*, but knowing how these powers work will be critical in winning this game.

i don't have any scum reads yet.

On December 04 2013 03:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
all this damn reading is getting boring. i'm going to start RP-ing Taric and its going to be outrageous.

You know, like my gems.

Okay I'll stop posting now.

On December 04 2013 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I prefer if we just remove Tryn AND the scum player playing him.

On December 04 2013 04:47 bumatlarge wrote:
@LSB I am not home, I have a little notebook doc of cool stuff there

@Sandroba LSB is dumb stupid and doesn't read the thread. He got lucky as shit.

On December 04 2013 05:17 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't agree. Obviously bum being scum would fit in well but I don't think it is necessary for LSB to be scum.
He is last to pick a champion -> not very likely to get any role. So why not try to get tryndamere who seemed like a very good scumrole?
I'm pretty sure scum could have gotten any of eve/amumu/shaco pretty low. Tryn isn't even a good pick for scum since it is pretty obvious when you are using it. Scum likes to not be noticed.
They couldn't be 100% sure bum was taking that role because no townie really wants it. Taking a risk with the lowest placed scum doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Good risk/reward ratio.
Bum was the one who came up with the whole idea. If bum was town mafia would have a pretty good reason to believe he was taking that role
Scum wants to have this role. Town doesn't. He is the last person to pick and chooses to go for it. Go figure.
Don't agree that scum wants this role.

Will look at bum for real now. Stuff came up...

On December 04 2013 06:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I read Bum. I am not convinced he is scum. The only thing that looks really bad to me is how he tried to justify lynching jcarl over LSB. He tried to organize town and was one of the few people with a plan before the rolepicking. I also don't see the reason for him to claim picking tryndamere and not following through as scum. The only instance this makes a tiny bit of sense to me is if he is scum with LSB.

On December 04 2013 06:49 Rean wrote:


I pmd the host account hoping they're gonna do something about it but nothing so far >.>

On December 04 2013 08:13 Mig wrote:
VE do you think bum is mafia? You are switching off of LSB just because you are lazy or what?

Marv/sandorba any concerns with everyone jumping on Bum without hesitation?

On December 05 2013 15:22 Mig wrote:


Under the section that talks about each hero and their role there is a link to a LoL page that shows how much each heroes attack/health is etc.

On December 04 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote:
Hoo boy everyone loves to talk about Tryndamere.

JAT 'n' odin get townie points for asking LSB why bum not "following his plan" is super duper scummy. I don't get why saying you're going to pick some SUPER OBVIOUS role with KP and then not taking it makes you scum. [spoiler]

LSB I don't want to lynch because he poosh his stuff way way way too hard. + Show Spoiler [Also his confirmation plan is sillypants] +

Sand looks very townie just based on this - + Show Spoiler +

i THINK this post is townie from bum, like...bum can't be scum because of it, but someone needs to argue with meAsking for a partial partial claim (VTs should claim but only this kind of VT) feels like someone who is actually thinking about why he does/doesn't want people to claim. Also, it seems like PYP games often catch some mafia by hunting down a missing role above a VT. Given that this usually works in town's favor from what I remember, I think this post is town. Yar?


Don't want to lynch bum. This post is very townie-minded. Even if the rest of his filter is poopy, this keeps information hidden from scum -

I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate.

On December 05 2013 23:44 supersoft wrote:
screw you sandroba. i am not claiming stupidly only because you say.
if you think i am scum, because i was busy for the last days, i can only ignore you.
i wont claim unless it's absolutely necessary or i got some results of my nightactions that might be beneficial.

On December 04 2013 11:55 Rean wrote:


And I was so hoping you'd be town. Sigh.

On December 07 2013 02:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@sandroba: no I have 950, where did Mig claim I had 875? Something is definitely odd here, unless WoS forgot to send me a PM mig is lying or someone completely messed with his ability.

Like I decoy'd, there is zero way I could have gotten hit with kp at all. I didn't realize mig claimed he knew my health otherwise I would have brought this up sooner. I can't quote my PM but what's in the OP is accurate. I got no PMs about anything last night.

@geript, 7-6 is my record with wukong lol

On December 07 2013 02:23 supersoft wrote:


you screw up my plan to let mig himself confirm to be scum :-o
I wanted to comfort him and see if he starts doing stuff without pressure... This strategy totally works on you/syllo/palmar/marv/mig
:-o

On December 07 2013 02:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow really detailed explanation of power usage thought process mz. He seems definitely town from that post alone

On December 07 2013 02:32 LSB wrote:

Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me

On December 07 2013 02:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Yo sandroba, LSB is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me?

On December 07 2013 02:43 LSB wrote:

All he has been doing is calling people town. He isn't trying to actually find scum, he is trying to make friends so people believe he is a friendly townie. No one wants to lynch someone who defended you right? Or so he thinks

My push post is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&currentpage=179#3574

On December 07 2013 02:52 sandroba wrote:

The meta comparisson is pretty good actually. The other game you lynched kush indeed called a bunch of people town, but was pretty adamant with his scum reads as well. Something that is missing from this game as compared to the other is that he always proposes possible scum along with his current townie reads.

On December 07 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'll take care of that. I use the lightning rod on him.
All other protective roles should protect assets like sandroba/VE etc..

On December 07 2013 03:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

fyi I have chosen 6/14 like every PYP game I've played iirc.

On December 07 2013 04:03 LSB wrote:

The main problem with your idea / draft order reads is that it is too coordinated. Unless you can finger candidates for the mafia mastermind who is organizing the mafia, I have no reason to believe the mafia didn't just pick roles they wanted and made sure they didn't clash.

On December 07 2013 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Firstly @sandroba that's pretty weak.

Secondly @mig: why should I be concerned you shot me? You're voting me now, you apparently decided I was scum sometime last night, there are a lot of people I'd lynch ahead of you. Your shot is not a solid tell one way or another because I can make arguments for it being both town or scum.

On December 07 2013 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:

So are you basing this on scum's ability to coordinate their number picks?

On December 07 2013 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I had jonny as town early on. Completely forgot about risen but put him on that list as well.

Look sandro, that's 5 or six people excluding me and mig who could be scum, I don't see how your theory plays out.

On December 07 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
sandro the biggest problem right now is that you're assuming that certain people have to be scum rather than looking at who has actually been scummy this game.

On December 07 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote:
Also, the 1 dmg dealt to you worries me, Sandro. Do you have any idea what hit you? Looks like the arsonist role to me and if it is then that person is definitely scum.

On December 09 2013 01:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Supersoft/LSB/Mocsta/soniv/Koshi for scumteam. /ff please

On December 09 2013 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:

If that is the case there should be scum between koshi/mz, yes?

On December 09 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So all the townies who used KP should claim. There is still a lot of unaccounted KP. Mig is not telling what he did (he had a KP-role yes?), that's fishy. I think he is mafia.

On December 09 2013 08:53 JonnyLaw wrote:
Just got home. It's been a long weekend. I'm catching up on the last 30 pages or so. I'll be with you shortly.

On December 10 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
COAG IS NOT MAFIA.

Think about his story. It is impossible to make up a lie like that as quickly as he did.

On December 10 2013 07:20 kushm4sta wrote:
huh??? his story woulnd't make sense if fuba didn't post right then. He coulnd' thave known about that before hand to make up that story.

Why does no one understand what im saying.??

On December 11 2013 03:38 kushm4sta wrote:
i did claim. im PoS vt. All i can do is move people which I haven't done yet.

On December 11 2013 03:45 Mig wrote:
Btw I have a one shot ability that does extra damage. I think it is possible we could kill someone in 1 night with focused kp but I would like to be sure before using it.

On December 11 2013 03:46 supersoft wrote:
I prefer Rean or gtrsrs over JL tbh but I will contribute my 100kp for the greater good i guess.

On December 12 2013 08:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Bring it up with the hosts after the game?

You've had me as town for most of the game but you changed your mind because you don't like my second ability?

On December 12 2013 09:05 LSB wrote:

If I was sk kushm4ster would be dead.

On December 12 2013 12:14 Mig wrote:
Any concerns about coag/JL both voting roffles day2 sand?

On December 07 2013 11:41 Risen wrote:
Don't like the people on the other two

On December 07 2013 11:52 Risen wrote:

What else is new, though!

This post makes me think you're scum trying to drop a wifom bomb before you die.

On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:

SS - Null.
Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game.
I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null.

Geript - Soft town lean.
Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie.

OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean
Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII.

Storrzerg - Null
No idea, nothing really to work off

Sandroba - Null
Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game.
Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out.

gtrsrs - Soft town lean
I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.

Oatsmaster - ??
It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally.
He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good...
I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips??

Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean
He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?

On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote:

I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing.

Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game.
Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh"

Why can't I be a sheep for once?

On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote:

##Unvote

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jonnylaw
First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced.

Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads.

- I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null.
- I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy.
- Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird.
      On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush.
- I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness.
- I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either.

Overall
I think he has good potential to be scum.
I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more.
+ I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read.

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Bumatlarge

I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome?
I just dont see the point to it other than filler.


- I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP.
This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all.

I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego

- I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused
- I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental?
- His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor.
- I dont see where the Geript reads materialised?
- I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort.


Overall
I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning.
Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day.
Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way.
I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well.

Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot.
##Vote: Bumatlarge

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LSB
- Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure.

I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful.
I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play.

Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town.

On December 09 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote:

Nope?

Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure.

If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial.
Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno.

On December 09 2013 11:50 JonnyLaw wrote:
Mocsta you don't offend me. Your posting style just comes off nervous and pushy rather than leading and convincing. What I said wasn't referring to your pressure. That's fine.

Coag could be scum. That's what I said. Roffles could be scum. Voting yourself and throwing out random damage are both scummy. Mig's doing the same thing. Comes in, drops some damage and posts a bit of nothing then leaves.

I don't know how to differentiate between the behavior of those three. This becomes more difficult since I don't think kush is scum. He seems misguided but his posts feel genuine, unlike your posting.

On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:
This game seriously...

*I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me.

Like fuck this.

My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him.

don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating.

In my opinion: The real question should be:
With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle.

Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them....

Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle.
e.g. Kush or LSB

So either
Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB}
or
Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL


I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum.
So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush

On December 12 2013 15:59 Mocsta wrote:

Vote (1): Kush -
Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required.

Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post:
This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me.

Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured)

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Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen

Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think
That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen)
However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs.
Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1".
Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone).

Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general.
If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later.

MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure.
Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input.
I would seriously consider him as my second vote.
But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote.

LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort.
Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution.
I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general.

##Vote: Kush
##Vote: LSB

On December 07 2013 00:38 justanothertownie wrote:
So, in the last game we played together (hogwarts) I could see Mocstas thought process very easily most of the time. Now while catching up I see so many posts I disagree on it is baffling.


I don't follow this. If Austin is more valuable in the long run and JL in the short one we should lynch JL based on that logic (good hero). I don't even see why austin is better in the long gain.