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On November 23 2013 17:34 Blazinghand wrote: hmm, busier than I thought I'd be, gotta /out /obs I am disappoint. Get unbusy. NAOHW!!!! | ||
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 I'm also really sick and working today/tomorrow Don't lynch plz. B back when I get home. | ||
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##vote no bans | ||
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Your mommy called. She told you to bitch up already because let's be honest, that's the worst trash talk I've ever seen. Guess you rolled scum. | ||
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On November 30 2013 13:52 Rean wrote: Bitch please. Why are you just mindlessly echoing what Sandroba's saying? Why are whichever bans we make if any important? | ||
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On November 30 2013 13:55 jaybrundage wrote: Just finished reading up on abilities so many :o I want to ban graves he can only cause confusion. ##Ban Graves Also guys do we have any specfic draft plan we wanna set up. I guess we would want the scummiest people to go on the bottom of the draft and have the towniest people go on top so we can make it more likely that town can get the good roles first. Ofc we should all be open about our draft number and write them in the thread so we dont have any mix up. What yall think? :o ILL BE BACH (after sleep) Generic post. Would lynch as well. Also the apostrophe exists for a reason in the English language... use it. | ||
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On November 30 2013 13:58 jaybrundage wrote: I like Rean he's trying to roleplay his character (DoubleLift) who would mean hes town cause hes not on SKT I would think. But then there would be more players on SKT then mafia slots. So it is possible he could be mafia as LiftLift and if he was mafia with the balls to say his real role name (DoubleLift was a big SKT fan in the shoutcasting) But given his general game play so far i am gonna go with my gut and say town. First off... how do you know that Rean is DoubleLift and two why would not being on SKT mean that he must be town. Scum are always given fake names to use. Why are you so sure on his alignment based on nada? | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:14 jaybrundage wrote: He's Doublelift cause he called everyone trash.... Duh. Also i am learning to use apostrophes. I'm writing a post on it thank you for your help. No, the only reason why you'd expect him to be honest about his claim is because you're scum. Just like how only mods can recognize a fake nuke and make a joke about it. You're scum. | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:17 OdinOfPergo wrote: I have to agree with jay at this point. Rean's post are obv Liftlift impersonations. That's not the point. The point of the question is WHY does he "know" who they are of. Why should he expect Rean to be town because of the hints (whether taken as Doublelift or LiftLift or whatever the difference is). Why should he read this as a town trait? There's literally zero reason for that. The only reason for why he can assume that Rean is be honest about the name claim is simply because he's scum and Rean is town; he knows Rean's alignment so he can read him as being honest about the summoner/player/whatever the fuck it's called in LoL that Rean got in his pm. | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:21 OdinOfPergo wrote: Oh also, Jay I'm not sure what you are trying to say with the pick order statement. I get that town would want townies first scum last... But short of knowing their #'s and picking them placing both of you at the back of the queue... I'm not sure how you'd hope to accomplish this. Maby you can fill me in on your thoughts if I've misread the OP.. Also to note, even if there is a way to accomplish this we probably shouldn't spread numbers around (especially second #'s) until way late in the phase to ensure that the scum don't just sacrifice to place the stronger townies at the back of the Q with themselves. Don't ignore me. Why don't you think Jay is scum? | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:28 OdinOfPergo wrote: Lol, Geript why are you so mad? You write that and then write a angry response to me in the same minute.. I will assume that you're bad at the game and wait for VE to side with me when he gets back. | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:31 OdinOfPergo wrote: wth Geript? Do expand on how trying to get convo started a few hours into the NOT EVEN DAY 1 makes Jay scum. Also do expand on how it makes me bad. Why do you think he's starting conversation instead of putting out random +1 blandness? Why can't you see that him giving Rean a town read based on complete bullshit makes him scum? The only reason for Jay to take Rean as being honest about the player/summoner he rolled means that he's reading him as being 100% srs about it. The only reason why Jay could assume he's being 100% srs about it is because Jay rolled scum because there's little reason as town to lie about the player/summoner rolled. | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:37 JonnyLaw wrote: All right, so why in the hell would we not ban talon? Saying it's an easy cop out and a bad mafia player will pick it is terrible logic. What you're saying is if someone is suspicious and rolechecked as town then we should lynch them. Why even allow that possibility in the game? Yorick and graves are also solid ban choices. Yorick's is ridiculously strong for scum. Yo, Geript back off of Jay. Do you even LoL? So he's claiming a town spot with the trash posts what does it matter at this point? He's trying to set up a ban priority list. It's just not phrased well. You're not even reading.... FAIL!!!! | ||
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I'm going to be 100% honest here people. I'll probably end up voting for Rayn's ban targets, but I don't think it matters whatsoever. I know who I'm going to try to pick regardless of where I pick (unless I end up with a super prime spot). Roles for the most part don't matter. I expect that scum will only be nixing the super-pro-towny roles. Without knowing the Scum KP and # of Scum and 3P stuff our guessing on who to ban is just that. Any reasonable 3 are likely to do fine. It's far better to "waste" the day scumhunting than worrying about bans. | ||
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On November 30 2013 21:19 marvellosity wrote: rayn don't be ridiculous. You can't come in here with nice ideas about some sort of picking order and arranging players and then bitch out of doing anything sensible because Oats is annoying you. Go have a smoke or something. First off, I don't think that rayn is being ridiculous. Second off, Oats is scum. | ||
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Annie - Incinerate - Vigilante -- Possibly worth blocking since it's extra KP every day. Cho'Gath - Feral Scream - Worth banning. Deals damage AND checks HP. Very pro-scum. Evelynn - Ravage - Anonymous Vig -- Worth considering blocking Fiddlesticks - Drain - Consistent KP and healing -- Worth considering. Heimerdinger - H28-G Evolution Turret - KP you don't control. Good for scum or town. Karthus - Requiem - Triple KP -- Worth considering banning. Shaco - Jack in the Box - Defensive power and KP-- Worth banning to prevent scum from getting it. Tryndamere - Spinning Slash - Very pro scum. KP to a broad range of people. Twitch - Deadly Venom/Expunge - Firebomber--Very pro-scum/3p. Viktor - Evolving Technology - Inventor--Goes 80 different ways. Yorick - Omen of Death - Janitor. MUST BAN. | ||
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Might be worthwhile later. | ||
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On December 01 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes. Yes. Good. Good. Geript I refuse to try and read you right now. Jay prolly town. Why do you think that? | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: We can pick the powerful KP-roles and use it as town. We can't use framer as town in any way. That's why it's a better ban. I disagree. Because it's far easier for scum to coordinate the draft phase (town plays as selfish individual while scum plays as a team), then scum is far more likely to end up with 2-3 early drafters to grab those early picks. | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: This is easier said than done. I picked like 10/10 in the last PYP and ended up like 3rd pick or something. Coordinating to get picks is hard for mafia to do imo. My point was that all your team was spread out well to maximize odds of going high. You guys got a bit unlucky to pick many of the oft chosen numbers iirc but still got 2 picks in the top 5. We can expect 6 scum and 1-2 3P. | ||
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Probly because you're bad at reading obv town. | ||
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On December 01 2013 11:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm just feeling in a killing mood and he's given me reason to look his way. Explain why you think Rayn is scum right now. Best bring a damn good case or you're dying before the lynch D1. | ||
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On December 01 2013 11:34 OdinOfPergo wrote: Geript seriously, you need to tone down that kind of talk. That sounded like a border-line personal attack. What other than Soniv lurking hard this phase and disliking Rayn makes you think he is scum? You should post this instead of directed attack that isn't doing anything. Of course it's a personal attack. If he doesn't explain his shit then I'm grabbing KP and shooting him pre-Lynch 1. He's pushing Rayn in a stupid way and I'm happy to just remove that from the game by intimidation or by force. | ||
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On December 01 2013 11:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've always liked you for your calm head and level thinking, geript Why don't you think he's scum? What, in all of his disruption and argumentative posts made you give him a "I want to keep you around" vibe? He has a 5 page filter already; as scum he has no reason to be this active already in the sea of lurking that's going on. He looks and feels like the aggro town Rayn I know. He's good as scum but far and away worth waiting on to see who and how he pushes further. | ||
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On December 01 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Nono geript. Rayn capable of hyperactivity as scum. I don't disagree. My point is that as scum he has no reason to be this active right now on day -1. Maybe on Day 0 to get a lynch line up but not right now. Especially when most people aren't reading or posting. Plus, I understand his tow reads and mostly agree with them. I just don't think organizing picks ever works well. | ||
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On December 01 2013 13:34 VisceraEyes wrote: geript did you read the champions game at all? Yah a few times. Not sure who to pick myself. | ||
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On December 01 2013 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm picking an OP role. Take a note from geript and pick an OP role to find out which. LOL... that was such a funny game. | ||
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On December 01 2013 16:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi pick the inventor. This I absolutely agree with. | ||
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##Vote Jaybrundage Get him outta here. Now who was I supposed to be killing? | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yo VE calm your shit. Also geript, can I see something substantial on oats other than "dis motherfucker gonna die"? It's mostly a gut read. He's not putting himself out there in any real way. He's just doing random shit and posting whatevs. | ||
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On December 01 2013 23:15 Oatsmaster wrote: by "lol what" I mean how in the world are you calling me scum for something that didnt even happen. This post really stood out to me. This doesn't read as a normal Oats reaction to me. It's like he feels the need to defend himself but isn't actually willing to be in the spotlight in this manner. Honestly, this game it feels like Oats is trying to pick a fight with me just to pick a fight with me because that's what town oats does. It's very similar to his game in hydra (with Rayn) where he rumbled with Mocsta because he had a history of Oats/Moc bitchfests as town in his recent history. | ||
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No. I was filtering. Kurumi afaik has been known to be carefree/trolley. Often he would draw and things. Close quote from the podcasts, "that's it. I'm calling it. Kurumi is scum. He's not drawing." | ||
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On December 03 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote: Whoever said that is dumb, Kurumi trolls as either alignment Kurumi said it | ||
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On December 03 2013 02:15 marvellosity wrote: Kurumi called himself scum? probably this isn't particularly useful evidence It's a quote from the first podcasts. Geez Marv get with the program. I think the question was how can I get that fun carefree frilly style and still be effective. As an addendum answer Kurumi noted how that style is very hard to mimic as scum. Especially since as scum you need people to listen to you. So it becomes obvious when you break from it. | ||
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On December 03 2013 03:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: So, you're scanning the thread looking for something to pinpoint as opposed to reading the thread and understanding contexts? Come on LSB, I know you're better than that. This seems like a weird way to attack him. You know he's better and he's not being better but he's only potentially scum? It's such an odd push entirely. Nothing you've said will force him to respond. What's you're point in making a blah post? | ||
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On December 03 2013 03:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: And I now realize that my thoughts on LSB are conflicting and I'm confused now. Why are conflicting thoughts a problem? | ||
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I'm glad you agree that you and jay need to die. | ||
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On December 03 2013 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Beca use the revealed power is role blocker/watcher right? Hunh? You mean to type this in scum QT? | ||
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On December 03 2013 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I disagree with your percentage and I don't particularly dislike Oats. So the LoL factor doesn't weigh in. Both jays seem town to me. What you did there. I see it. Very sneaky VE. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: GRAB MY BALLS MARV I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME NOT MARV VE!!!!! YOU HAVE BETRAYED AND TRAMPLED ON MY LOVE FOR THE LAST TIME. WE ARE DONE!!!! No really you can call me whenever you want my number is 8675309 | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Like...he threw dirt on me too. Maybe he IS scum.....I NEED MY WUBBYBUMPKINS TO COME HOLD ME!!! OH DEAR SWEET WAVEOFSHADOW WHEREFORE ART THOU?????? | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:11 sandroba wrote: Not going to bother giving/explaining town reads until i think it's necessary. I'm curious as to why you would ask me of all people that. I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town. I've only played a handful of games with you (maybe 2); one was nuclear where palmar caught you on a missed town read. I haven't read your filter yet but I wanted to get a sense of your thought process in specific. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:30 JonnyLaw wrote: Isn't every read based on play? Why do you think your play is so transparent? You've been jumping on people all game in a seemingly random fashion. You distract more than contribute. That's generally a pretty strong reason for me to be town. Either way I'm feeling a Oats more than jcarl. Meh whatevs. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript earlier on i asked you on how Oats' play is similar to the hydra game play. Could you elaborate on that? The aspect in hydra when iirc in scum qt he posted "I'm going to pick a fight with Mocsta because that's what I do." He gets into shitfights with people. Also like in nuclear (not in duke nukem) he wasn't very much putting himself out there. That's what I've seen this game. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is that different from what he does as town? Because as town Oats walks into fights blindly, he doesn't go looking for them. As town they happen as they happen he doesn't look for usual targets. I mean he completely tried to avoid a fight I pointed out earlier for no real reason; reminded me of his response to me in nuclear of "Stupid game for a stupid player." | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:48 Onegu wrote: Feeding my son and getting him ready for the day, he is handicapped so give me a bit. Sorry but I will catch up as soon as possible. I forgot about him. Hope he's doing well. | ||
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On December 03 2013 13:26 OdinOfPergo wrote: I really like the draw to get me to pull into LSB though between you and Rayn. Hunh. I have no clue what you mean here. | ||
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Honestly I've been thinking about the draft phase more. I don't think scum expected to be able to grab Yorick and were fine with a ban on it. I think the Graves ban was just as likely pushed by scum knowing it'd be a useless roles given their bans and would assure that scum roles they wanted were available. | ||
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On December 03 2013 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I havent seen jack shit from you this game geript. That's what happens when you don't read brah. | ||
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On December 03 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand all these Kush pushes. Sounds like you want to lynch kush for bad play rather than for being scum. Which one is it? What's bullshit about it is that all those geript pushes were the exact same but you were more than happy to lead the voting there. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote: I had actual reasons dude. Anyway I changed my mind about that part. LSB dies. Funny those aren't in your filter at all. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:14 marvellosity wrote: What's bullshit is that you keep talking about Oats at the expense of anything else when Oats isn't getting lynched. Shape up. There aren't other horses I like. I don't trust Oats push on LSB. Sure the Oats scum storyline makes sense, "Well I can't drop this because it's not happening because then people will instantly call me scum for not 'believing in /pushing' my plan". Sure it makes sense, but the flip side is also true as town you're likely to push that shit regardless. Also, Rayn I'm pretty sure is scum. He was a big push in the graves ban. More importantly town Rayn doesn't consider voting his early town reads. Like never and especially not D1. I think he's being opportunistic in who he's targeting. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:31 marvellosity wrote: rayn is blatantly town. Rayn's gotten in bitchfests about people voting his town reads. That's not uncommon at all. His pick is a very interesting claim too because it'll justify him being around for a few days as well (big shield for 4 phases or something). I think you're wrong obv. But can you explain the BAL scum logic. Remember to use little words because I'm stupid and bad at the game. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I haven't slept for non-game-related reasons so pardon misunderstandings. et tu absolvo puer meus | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: why exactly do you think i am scum geript? Because i picked a protective role? Main reason because you went back on an early town read which I've never EVER seen you do as town. Especially when in nuclear you went ballistic over people targeting/voting the dude that made you laugh and you have a random town read to. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:00 marvellosity wrote: Something like "I forgive you my boy" I think it's closer to, "and you I absolve/forgive my (male) child" IIRC it's the latin phrase used to absolution of sin... not wholly sure on the "puer meus"part. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't understand anything in that post. You had a town read on me early and even defended me against VE and shit early on. But you were willing to vote me over the "Oats totes scum" stuff. That's bullshit and you know it. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your case on Oats is bullshit and you should know it. It's based on things you fit into something Oats has once did as scum and never answered me when i asked "so does Oats not do these things as town". Because he does. It's never the "what" he does it's the "how" he does it. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:13 sandroba wrote: Clearly this banter is really important, but pardon me for interrupting. Move your damn votes to bum! *said with a friendly voice* On December 03 2013 22:49 geript wrote: But can you explain the BAL scum logic. Remember to use little words because I'm stupid and bad at the game. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote: I don't even know what jat's issue is so I'm just going to ignore it. I explained myself and jat just repeated what he already said. It can wait anyways. Mind explaining the Bum thing to me. You know so I can actually understand wtf you're saying. | ||
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On December 01 2013 13:10 bumatlarge wrote: These are pretty much mafia favored roles (some more then others) so last slots *could* check them. I don't think town would take these roles, so no one would have them except mafia. The last slots have a much worse chance of getting neutral roles like veteran/evasion or vigilante roles so I think it's worth towns while. That's my rough draft. If people have recommendations or criticisms on numbers/orders or generally better ideas, I'm open to it. On December 02 2013 06:05 bumatlarge wrote: 4. jcarlsoniv - Janna He's been pretty active, so if he's not sure what to pick, Janna seems good for him. I like his judgment on players so far, and I think he's town. On December 02 2013 17:14 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's pretty obvious jcarl is mafia [insert case] On November 30 2013 18:05 bumatlarge wrote: I think in some order, Urgot, Heimerdinger, Graves, Nocturne or Janna need to be banned. Yorick isn't really that scary, flips are overrated. We need to know who has Victor and Warwick and any others not banned from above from what I can tell. On December 01 2013 11:58 bumatlarge wrote: 1. Warwick 2. Quinn and Valor 3. Viktor 4. Kassadin 5. Janna 6. Heimerdinger 7. Tryndamere I tried to put them in order of power level. What's really odd to me is not the jcarl case or vote. It's the progression of thought. Like he obviously thinks that Heimer/Janna are powerful roles and the Heimer is a potentially pro-scum role. The really odd thing about the case is that 11 hours earlier he had a reasonable vote of confidence in jcarl as a player. More importantly the really weird thing about the case is that in only includes 3 posts from between when Bum thought jcarl was town (12-2 @6:05) and when he thought he was scum (12-2 @17:14) whereas he included 4 posts from before when he thought jcarl was town. I'll read more when I'm back from work. | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began. ... I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good. But that's really weird that Bum liked jcarl's targets of which included Geript/Rayn but yet had never really analyzed me over "gut" sentiment. | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: I can totally see geript and bumatlarge being in cahoots. I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this. | ||
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So you admit to never taking a serious gander at me but gave jcarl a townread based on him liking me for scum... I mean liking us both for scum doesn't seem odd in the towny sense to me but liking us both for scum while making a case on him and practically completely ignoring me is really fucking odd. More importantly why did your view on pre-case jcarl change over 11 hours? Yet it seems like at 12-2 @15:00 you didn't have particular notice of anyone. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:01 geript wrote: I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this. Try again sugar. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote: Why don't you be a good boy and look at the TL Mafia Database? What do you think of bum's actions in progression? Seen town do that before? | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:22 sandroba wrote: I find it funny that when we are trying to get bum lynched a lot of useless people show up and spam the thread with useless shit. Mind commenting on what I found? | ||
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On December 04 2013 04:44 Roffles wrote: Yes, because as you mentioned, he didn't read bum's plans. So you're suggesting that scum is almost entirely inactive and not reading? | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:56 sandroba wrote: Really rean, I think you are reading too much into that Roffles comment. I guess it's ambiguous, but when I read it I thought he meant kill yourself in game, i.e. use abilities to kill yourself and didn't find it that outrageous. Honestly I'm with Rean on this one. Even if it's meant that way it's pretty bad. I try, often unsuccessfully, to make my "death threats" reasonably clean in game. Considering the back to basics game I can understand his sensitivity to the issue. I'm going to look into BC when I get home. | ||
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What else concerns me, at this is partly my fault, is that the atmosphere isn't great for town. It's not god awful, but I don't think many are actually evaluating other people's points or trying to understand what they're trying to say. Yes, sometimes things can't be explained well but I think most comment are being swept under the ego rugs and that's going to make it really hard for us moving forward. | ||
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On December 04 2013 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh easy majorities on D1 make my ass twitch. Exactly. I prefer your ass not twitching  | ||
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On December 04 2013 08:59 Mig wrote: I am sticking with bum since the case is strongest against him but some discussion would be nice. I'm going to pull up jaybrundage again and have another real go at him. You mind looking at him with me. Also, mind suggesting someone you think I should look at? | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote:I have alluded to my hero pick several times. c'mon its not hard "play with myself" I also said I think jonnylaw "stole" it For those of us that don't play LoL could you be more upfront. Because honestly, I think of all the roles at Doc + X ability, Vigilante, etc. | ||
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On December 01 2013 20:50 jaybrundage wrote: So far I think Rayn is town. I dont like marv. I have been in games with him where he plays an amazing scum. I would be totes fine with lynching him. He doesn't seem to care much and knowing how good a mafia player he is. He wont incriminate him self easily On December 01 2013 21:29 jaybrundage wrote: No I think Marv is scum. But the point im making is that I know im not going on much to call him out as scum. Marv is hard to put a read on cause he can argue him self out of the noose. I think hes scum but i know he can roll and not appear overly scummy. You said you would play lazy this game pregame. He can be scum and use that excuse to not do much, skating by with out doing much. Im sure if the heat gets turned up on you that you will step it up and use that great scum play i was talking about. A couple players seem to be defending you as well with not much basis other then that your a vet. Marv do you think your a good scum player? You acting like I'm wrong yet we both know you play a damn good scum. On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote: During the game I played with you I thought you were towns tons of times. Reads can change thru out the game. But you played scum very well and proceeded to trick everyone and win the game as scum. I thought i had played another game with you but i was wrong. Regardless my whole post was to say you play a very good scum and I if you play townie-like there is a still a very strong chance you can be scum. So im gonna FOS you like a sonovabitch. Also you have me a scum read I read later on. Please Marv tell me why I would create a terrible case on you a townie vet. As mafia and draw my self into the spotlight. It wasn't even a case ffs. It was a gut read. You say Im bullshitting. But how is a gut read bullshitting it just is a feeling. If your not dead in a day or 2 your prolly mafia regardless of how your playing. One of the things that bothered me about jay earlier is that this doesn't feel honest to me. I can fall into the paranoid town trap pretty easily; I don't think this is real paranoia. When paranoid townies tend to derail, there's a very obsessive quality to it. Additionally, paranoia tends to spiral in drastic and crazy directions. What's really odd about it to me is that he both 'forgot to send in his numbers' despite being pro-"everyone should state their numbers" but additionally that he's not at all concerned with what/who marv chose. If I were that paranoid about Marv being scum, my #1 concern would've been getting a higher slot than Marv and trying to figure out what he would've taken so that he couldn't get it. Being a newb (or hasn't played much) I'd expect very different spins from him and I'm not really liking how lackadaisical he's been about his "concerns/FOS about Marv" without that really carrying into any other aspect of his game. Feels like a random newb card to me. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: 1) You might be right about the fake paranoia. 2) Would you really try to snipe one specific player? How could that even work? Seems ridiculous to me. Do you still think rayn is scum? I don't see why he wouldn't. If he's that concerned about Marv being scum (that's practically his only discussion) then I don't see why he wouldn't concern himself with trying to get that role. Yes, it's seems ridiculous to normal rational thinking, but you also have to remember that paranoia is by definition irrational. The fact that he isn't being irrational really bugs me. As far as thinking rayn is or might be scum, honestly I have not clue. There's no way he gets lynched today so there's a real point in me trying to get an assessment on him in any regard right now. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:29 marvellosity wrote: lol jay is mafia. Christ. Is this like you're agreeing with me thing or a "you're out of your fucking mind again geript" thing? | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: "I lurk superhard as scum" ------> goes missing for 24h and comes in with a terrible, generic +1 vote with no thought behind it. What do you think of the paranoid argument. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:29 marvellosity wrote: Seems odd, to say the least, that he went from "i think jcarl is town" at some point in the game to "jcarl is so scummy I don't even want to interact with him" ugh Someone did read my points. That's the best summary of my points. Yay me. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:55 bumatlarge wrote: [/spoiler]Random unimportant poem This is the fucking strangest thing I may have seen. I'm the motherfucker pushing the counterwagon to your fucking lynch. Coming from a "towny" I find this strange as fuck. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:07 Mocsta wrote: Between Bum/Jay: I like both as a lynch. This is right where I'm at right now. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:31 bumatlarge wrote: Also, people asking me to defend myself. I can't really defend myself for fakeclaiming role-denial. I like to be risky when I get the chance in mafia. This probably would have come back to bite me later, but this is much sooner then I expected, I was hoping to lead a lynch onto scum before I had to say anything. Nobody cares about the fake claim. Like that's the least scummy thing you've done. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:38 austinmcc wrote: NOPE TOTALLY DON'T. THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU TRY TO CATCH UP ALL AT ONCE AND FILTER AND THIRD-ASS (LESS THAN HALF-ASS) META PEOPLE. DELETE THAT BIT. REST IS STILL RELEVANT. Why does this surge in activity remind me of PTP? | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I just want him to participate in the discussion. YOU FORGOT VOTE IN THREAD #4 WITHOUT COMMENT IN THREAD. SLACKER VE | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:39 bumatlarge wrote: Usually I like to back things up with examples or at least fancy words. You have the rare talent or choosing not to do either. You've never really accounted for Sandroba or Marv's points. You never really explained my points against you. You continue to push me as a scum read with no real reason for me to be scum when I'm the person who really started the counterwagon against your lynch. You never really came back and explained your reads on why the people who you suspect are scum. You're the person who faked going to Trynd but picked Lux and seem completely revolved around that while no one really suspects you for that. You did come back with a chezinu-esque fucking poem with practically reads as a scumclaim. On top of that, you've completely fucking avoided talking about the counterwagon to your fucking lynch entirely. It's weird as shit and scummy. The fact that your defense is focused on bits of things that people don't really find you scummy for and not the big fucking elephants in the room is why people are so happy to jump on your wagon in part. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:44 Mocsta wrote: 3minutes between the votes lol? Dont you do that type of stuff spontaneously? I don't like this push from you. If he's doing it to egg VE on then doing it separately gets the double shot in on VE. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:48 OdinOfPergo wrote: + points Geript. I was about to make a post that said this, you saved me some time. Meh. You can keep them. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:50 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well Geript is that just your style or do you have questions for me? Meh. I don't really care about townie points. I decide to not be lynchbait and get my head out of my ass at some point and random townie points really don't mean much. Especially when it's for a completely non-alignment indicative post. I would hope that the rest of my filter is +++ townie points far and above that singular post. | ||
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As in he gets to egg VE on with both the unvote and with the vote on VE. Gets to see how many times VE wants to keep posting the "Roffles just voted XXX" On December 04 2013 11:50 OdinOfPergo wrote: Actually I really find the fact Roffles is actively keeping up with the thread and voting yet not giving us anything in the actual game as scummy as hell. I find it annoying and non-alignment indicative. I can understand why some people perceive it as scummy but I just don't see it that way. My point to Mocsta was that I didn't like how he pushed the Roffles-VE thing. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:53 austinmcc wrote:If his D1 scumreads start flipping red, I do not want to lynch him. I suppose that is a true statement about everybody. I, austinmcc, hereby promise that anyone who calls out 3 people today who all flip scum shall not be lynched by me, barring me going back on this statement. It just looked more relevant to me about him because the thing I like is the reads, and not really anything else. You mean like except me or kush right? | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote: Geript My point was that he was throwing his vote away. Granted consolidation isnt required at this point its still more trollish than I would expect. I take it that you disagree? I don't think that when a lynch is this far ahead with time to kill and ODD type person wouldn't mind fucking with people just to fuck with people. With 4 people on LSB and 4 on jay, very low odds that his vote makes any difference. I don't read into it as more than trollish and slightly town leaning as scum get random attention for that when it's not like he's not already going to be under fire as being a lurker. | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:03 Mocsta wrote: Considering I have caught you before for doing stealth votes. That was slip in my scum mentality not following through with what I would do as town though. I don't think that automatically crosses over to everyon else. And we all know that you would unvote and vote the accuser I dont see what the problem is. Yah, but I'm me. It's like saying, "well VE plays scum this way so everyone must play scum this way." It's an inductive fallacy (might be wrong on that, haven't brushed up on logic and argumentation). Why cant we ask Roffles to take accountability? I'm find w/ demanding accountability and firing shots at him until he dies and/or lynching the fuck out of him. But the vote accountability is like the least of my concerns. Even if he was town realising consolidation is not required; how do we know hes not going to do this again next cycle. Premature cockblock from you, I thinks. Well if you'd like, I'm sure Marv or I could unblock your cock for you | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:15 Mocsta wrote: sigh... Geript... This is why we need accountability. Theres not really much I can say about Roffles good or bad because its in that stupid fucking in between. Whered Jay go? Honestly I'm way more concerned with Coagulation than Roffles. | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause shitting on a lynch you did barely anything to stop is scummy. And this is different from your play because.... | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt shit on the lynch? I dont get your point. No but you didn't do anything to move the lynch to your preferred target either. You're happy roasting Jay but didn't want to vote for him. You're happy voting LSB but not trying to convince anyone else to vote for him. You're happy being in the background. | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:55 jaybrundage wrote: Its either make light of my badness or be frustrated about me doing badly. you should read more You got a reprieve today. I want you to be upfront and not lurk until you "have content." Because if you're town that'll get you killed. If you aren't, then your posts will. | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not sure if you read the thread or not. Then show me where you made a concerted effort to get LSB or Jay lynched over Bum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah ok you read that part. I guess you didnt read the other part. What did you do to get Oats lynched over Bum? I tried people didn't buy it. So I looked around for other people that I thought could be scum. Hence the reason why Jay as a counter wagon was brought up at all. You're just in the background +1ing shit. You denying that? | ||
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On December 04 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah. I am quite sure he is town too. I just hope he won't derp with inventions. Doctors do not protect me, protect people like marv/sandroda instead. I really hate this plan btw. I don't get how you read Koshi. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course youdon't because you are scum. Look. Do you really want to rumble? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: You still have never providedany actual evidence why what you have said about Oats makes him scum. Because what I said wasn't something I can look at in an objective way and prove to you. I don't think you're obvious town like a number of people think. But equally it's not and it wasn't going to be productive for me to get into a shitfest with you over it. Yah I think he's scum and I'm going to ride his ass until I either die, prove it to everyone, he dies or I'm convinced he's town. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote: His read on Rayn is also really weird. Geript, I was ok with lynching bum. Yah, that's part of my problem. The way that wagon ended up (no real counter wagon, no major push in other directions, a majority of the vote at many points, everyone seems fine with killing but no one really making a push to save him, etc) it didn't give me great feelings that we were going to lynch scum. Yah I recognized that scum could just be inactive/willing to bus/bussing/etc, but that's significantly lower odds imo. As town, I'm never "OK" lynching town. I always want to look and see if there's something missing something else moving. The inactivity in the thread, other than about bum, didn't feel good. People being "ok" with his lynch and not wanting to go elsewhere really bugs me. So did VE's "I'm not gonna vote Bum because I like LSB way more" thing with sandro. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: please, someone give me a few filters to read. Who was the primary force behind the bum lynch? Why are we talking about lynching geript after the bum lynch? I'm rereading the thread but I'm asking these questions as well because I want to hear different views on what happened. 1. I'm surprised you didn't know this. 2. Only Rayn/Oats/jcarl/Kenpachi and idk who else are considering it afaik 3. I'd rather hear your views on what/how it went down. | ||
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2.His case on Oats is a couple of comments followed by "Oats did this in his scumgame X". 3.He didn't even want to lynch Oats "because noone will believe me so i am up for a lurker lynch". 4.His scumread on me is "rayn changed his read on me, he does not do that when he is town". 5. He is calling out my most pro-town plan there is. Yeah that's my case on geript, everything he does is either really weak - and not in a townie way, or straight out bull. Here's a line that Oats loves to use this game, "but which of those makes me scum?" Honestly can you step back and say that this isn't just confirmation bias. If so then bring it and bring it hard. In the mean time, I'll be lynching scum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but i'd rather talk to them directly when they are around. Even if i was able to convince all the ~5 people who are here now at something what's the point when i can tomorrow convince marv and get him easily to convince ~15 people? So does it make you anymore scum that you want to lynch me and aren't pushing me? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, the line I like to use this game, "but which of those makes them scum?". hey rayn and geript, what do you think about Risen and Roffles? Risen. No clue. Read him at one point but nothing memorable other than I feel like Risen has been more vocal in games I played where he was town. Roffles. Slight town read based on behavior. I skimmed him once but thought there were more concerning issues. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about someone telling me your plan is bad in case they have something better to offer. Which geript hasn't. In theory, I don't dislike all of you plan. I just don't have a solid read on Koshi. Not sure I've played a game with him since nuclear. I didn't and don't like your push for graves ban; framer is a mostly worthless scum role IMO. I don't wholly trust you. I don't think your plan has been fully stated or pushed. Honestly I don't think a plan is fully required. I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved. So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ." | ||
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[QUOTE]On December 04 2013 15:19 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On December 04 2013 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. [/quote] I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved.[/QUOTE] So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ."[/QUOTE] The problem is you never even made a case on Oats. The "case" is spread all over your filter and it was really hardfor me to find why do you even think he is scum. Then you just proceeded into saying "Oats is scum" and a bit later "well Oats is not gonna get lynched, so let's lynch a lurker.. like jay".[quote] So does that make me scum? [quote]I don't think you are very commited into wanting to lynch scum..[/QUOTE] Does that make me scum? Here's the thing that, yes once cooler heads prevail mine included, that thinking someone is scum doesn't magically make them scum no matter how much chezinu faith is put into that. Yah, I can recognize that. I hope if you're town you can too. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:48 VisceraEyes wrote: geript this post really comes across like you know he's going to flip town. 1. Is any of what I wrote wrong? 2. How so? Because I've done the same thing like multiple times as scum? | ||
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On December 04 2013 18:38 Koshi wrote: Spoiler. The baby will die. Spoiler. After getting my nights sleep, I'm becoming interested in lynching you. | ||
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On December 04 2013 19:19 Koshi wrote: You think too highly of me. Maybe you should look in all my previous games and see how many times I pushed scum. The number is quite low. I am letting the smart people do stuff D1. N0 it looked like there were a lot of smart people. Didn't you just get out of a game where you and only you pushed scum Rayn and you were right? I should probly stop posting because I'm approaching don't give a fuck mode. | ||
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On December 04 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote: geript, you will give a shit or there will be spankings. Now to catch up on the 20 pages or however much I missed. What if I like spankings? | ||
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On December 04 2013 19:46 Promethelax wrote: Actually what I just said isn't true. I played with him in British II where we lynched him day 1 while he was away. So on the tired and not wanting to read me thing.... | ||
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On December 04 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: So nothing happened besides Koshi posting a list of inventions that are 90% terribad.:/ Koshi any sort of investigation items are the best. I was just about to comment on how many of them were KP or RB or a mix. And you're not bothered by the fact that he's done nothing day 1 and gotten away with it and you're feeding his trolling and you're not even willing to fucking tell him to not make KP and make investigation stuff. Instead you're very, extremely unconcerned about Koshi who is and actually has been part of your plan, the person you're claiming to shield from damage for 2 days, not following through on YOUR PLAN. But you wanted to bitch at me for not liking your plan whatsoever and not coming up with a better one. Really Rayn? | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah because who gives a fuck what jay says, it's the fact that koshi just doesn't care. If you had said the same thing he did I wouldn't care because I know you are paying attention to the game. Koshi on the other hand clearly does not give a fuck and his response to jay's post read like "oh wall of text, I can call this guy town" I'll repeat this again, it's not about what jay said, it's about the way koshi responded. I couldn't give a fuck who it was honestly, it read like koshi saw an analysis and went "he wrote a lot, I can call him town." I care what jay says and I want to lynch him. My initial reaction to reading it while driving was, "Man it's odd that he directs his case on VE only to VE." | ||
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On December 05 2013 03:24 kushm4sta wrote: whats up, im nitpicking your nitpicking. what are you going to do now! This seems like a really odd troll to come from a town perspective. | ||
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On December 05 2013 05:15 Promethelax wrote:I think you are right marv, I wasn't in the game at the time and was ascribing a seriousness to the post which did not necessarily exist. However, since it may have existed geript could you please explain your reasoning for the post on zero bans. Thanks.I'm also interested in how you, geript, feel in general now that I have partially filtered you as you asked. How I feel in general, nauseaous. But that's just the antibiotic I'm on right now. As for my post on 0 bans, I honestly don't think that bans (other than maybe yorick) made any sense this game. We're given little information about roles, their health levels, how much they protect or damage, what the ultimate is, Unlike the previous PYP where there were obvious roles that were exceptionally important to deny scum and it was a matter of how people ordered them, this PYP because of the complete ambiguity of the roles there's little real discussable material with it. So not only are we very unlikely to be able to pick the "right 3", the discussion about the picks is likely to devolve into a worthless "IMO this" "IMO that". Plus, I just don't think it actually makes a difference on the game at all. Which roles get banned being/making the scum team the most vulnerable or feel the most vulnerable is going to change drastically based on who's scum. None of the bans actually replace the ability to scumhunt or in any way affect the ability to scumhunt (yorick included), so the bans and number picking and role picking is very much a distractor for me than I think it is anything important. I based the role I picked partially based on which people my champion apparently played with more consideration to which roles I'd want to know if someone ahead of me were to take or which roles I'd prefer to prevent scum having. In many ways I've taken a similar approach to how Dr. Helvetica took in LIV, "who's mayor/pardoner doesn't really matter. I'm more concerned with who the mayor is intending to lynch" despite the fact that I exceptionally despise Dr.H and think he's an awful person and would never ever want to play a game with him again except to play just to troll him and annoy the fuck out of him. On a more serious note about how I feel after you've filtered me, I actually feel pretty good about my play and I think that alot of your description of my play tends to characterize some major differences I have as town. On December 04 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote:The problem I have with this is that geript holds on to this thing which should be obviously not worth a damn to him (and everyone else) its an hour 0 pressure. Its based on almost nothing. But geript is in it like a hell hound. Got his teeth sunk in the meat of Jay's leg all deep like, I don't see it from a townie. A scum wants to leave fangs in over something dumb because its a way to look active. A town gives up bad game as bad when they realize its going no where. Like this specifically, I don't believe that hour 0 pressure is not worth a damn. I very much feel like many of my initial impressions and feelings are less clouded by my conscious thought process. I've given many strange and correct scum reads on people very early on based on completely random stuff. As for me sinking my teeth in, I think that's very apt but I also didn't feel like there was an adequate resolution to my suspicion of jay and it moreso got passed over based on picking phase "priority stuff." To be honest, a lot of that unsatisfactory resolution is why I went back and took a look at him late day 1 because I wasn't really liking how the bum vote was shaping up and I wanted to provide an alternative that I really believed in because I'm just not sold on all the LSB stuff. The major difference for me between how I play scum and how I play town is a lot of my scum play has shown that as scum i want to convince town to follow my lynch out of an ego thing and I don't want to have to bother trying to keep a consistent timeline of things (which is exceptionally hard for me to do); additionally, I'm far more passive as scum. I think most people equate my scum play with Dr.H's "the Game" which is really unfair because my scum team was absolutely amazing and that really lifted my play; whereas I think my scum play is far more like LX or LXI whichever one it was that I was "confirmed town" in. I literally had to keep on watching WoS filter in that game to try and keep up with his page count so that my activity wasn't an obvious tell. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:32 Promethelax wrote: Why is that a good idea? There are a million hidden powers and it seems likely that at least one of them is also related to names/champions. So far from what I've gathered the hidden powers are mostly OPG abilities (mine is Spray and Pray). I don't mind risking triggering a OPG ability because it's not going to be consistent. I liked you explanation for NO BANS! so explain why we need FULL CLAIMS! First off, Accountability. If abilities are used, we should know about it. Second, it gives us a ton of information about what people's mindset was and is. Third, people who roleplayed their player are more likely to be town IMO so for people who have lesser content it provides another potential way to evaluate them. Fourth, it makes scum guess who's chosen what. Fifth, at least a few people have claimed to have picked a champion based on their player; this gives us a way to check that. Part of the reason for me coming out is because 1: It's night and 2: the fact that very few people claimed VT and that even fewer VT's claimed what they tried to take made me a bit suspicious because nobody claimed wanting to grab Twitch (mass damage seems like a pro-scum/3P thing). I want to be very clear. I don't think that people with SKT players are necessarily scum just like I don't think that people with non-SKT names aren't necessarily scum. I'm betting that WoS and Kita mixed that up some both according to flavor and also provided other players to scum to use just in case. Either way I gotta head to work. I'll try and read at work but no promises. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:53 justanothertownie wrote: In the recent Hogwarts game Harry Potter was scum. I wouldn't put to much weight on stuff like that. Of course he was. He's British right? | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:30 Risen wrote: I was roleblocked. I'm fucking shocked. Oh wait no I'm not because we mass claimed and scum knows who to target with roleblocks. Wait how do you know this? My impression from OP was that only damage dealt was told and that specifically roleblocks were not. | ||
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On December 04 2013 18:22 Koshi wrote: I just invented the most epic item ever. Judgment of Solomon Let's pray that the hosts approve. It's so epic I needed to write this down. This is about the closest I can find. I want to lynch him solely based on this alone. | ||
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When everyone comes back instead of just saying X should die or whatever, let's have everyone actually make cases that we can constructively discuss and weigh so that we can actually lynch scum today. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Mocsta's Case] + On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=JonnyLaw jonnylaw Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. + Show Spoiler [Prome's Case] + On December 04 2013 17:36 Promethelax wrote: Johnnylaw Not even a name I recognize. Given that he doesn't even have a mafia database entry I'll assume he is new.. As always anyone who knows anything about the individual who can add anything metawise would be greatly appreciated. According to an old Gonzaw heuristic I'd have to call JL scum, he stopped posting while getting boozed up. You can't trust a dude who stops posting while his guard is down. Based on his early posts I'll assume Johnnylaw is a LoL convert brought over by Wave. Dude knows his LoL (and I don't, so a lot of his early posts are not in a language I speak). DINGDINGDING we have a winner folks Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post. 1. threat 2. it was a weak threat 3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead. 4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it. So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch. This post is pretty awful to (its directed at bum) "I don't understand, therefore you are scum" = scummy "I don't understand, I would like to understand" = townie which is the above? Oh yes, the former. Johnnylaw is not making new points of his own, is arguing for and against nothings and keeps grabbing at town points while attacking town favoured plans. Note that he argues with the usefulness of the plan but does not provide a better plan, he is tearing down not bringing up. Corollary to the Chezinu rule, the kushmasta rule. twenty pages of reading twenty four hours after his last thread appearance and the only kinda scummy thing he picks up on is that kush is a weird ass dude. I could have told you that for free. He also says that gtsrs is playing the game. Which is not a conclusion. Everyone can see that gt is busy/lazy/scum JL doesn't provide any insight, he says he didn't like something and follows it with nothing until VE brings it up again at which time JL +1s like a champ. He does these quick summaries of people which I can't stand, many of you know my stance on list posts without content and JL has many posts which are just one continuous contentless list. A bit of an excuse since Sandro asked him to look at those particular filters but in reality he said nothing about the four players. Conclusion rating 4.5 my qualms with a JL lynch. The kid may be so new he doesn't see what he is doing and is unsure of how to contribute in a large game, lord knows its hard. He could be throwing around dog crap posts because he simply doesn't know how to make better posts, he seems relativly involved in the thread and has intereacted with many players by name and by idea. For now he looks like my first pressure for day two but I am not yet confidant I will want to lynch him. If I had to guess most likely scum out of the players I have filtered so far I'd take JL no questions asked. + Show Spoiler [Koshi's Points] + On December 05 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: Pfff. I also don't think JonnyLaw is scum atm. Went twice over his filter and there is nothing really scummy. However, I feel like he types more decisive when he talks about stuff that is obvious. While his scumreads or things that would actually help town are way less decisive. Look at how certain he sounds when he talks about tryn being useless, or warwick being useless. On the other hand, warwick is incredible strong and even though we didn't know he would do 450 damage simply by guessing the hero correctly I think that the entire scumteam would have actually figured out that warwick was a good hero if they could get blues to claim. So JonnyLaw saying that ww is bad and heroes like Twitch/Eve/Ziggs are way better look more like a townie being "wrong" than a scum being deceptive. I again read Prome and Mocsta points on JonnyLaw and I am not really convinced. There are lots of things that bug me in Jonny's filter. First off I want to specifically bring up a point that Koshi made: On December 05 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: Pfff. I also don't think JonnyLaw is scum atm. Went twice over his filter and there is nothing really scummy. However, I feel like he types more decisive when he talks about stuff that is obvious. While his scumreads or things that would actually help town are way less decisive. Look at how certain he sounds when he talks about tryn being useless, or warwick being useless. At first glance I didn't read much into this, but in having time to mull over it I think the conclusion that Koshi draws from this wrong. Scum start off knowing more than town by nature of the game; additionally scum start off knowing what their team will value. Being decisive about what roles are good for town but not who is scum reads as scum to me. Here's why: As new scum, it's very hard to fabricate scum reads. Whereas, being familiar with LoL and having access to scum QT and a team discussing which roles they are most interested in taking makes it very easy to be an expert on what the right and wrong picks are. On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote: Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify. On December 01 2013 09:46 JonnyLaw wrote: The way I'm looking at is that Nocturne can never help the town. I see your point. I'm considering various interactions that are possible from the champs. It's immense even with only one ability revealed. I think Urgot has the third slot at this point regardless. On December 01 2013 15:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Look at Ziggs/twitch/eve for guaranteed damage. Then there are defensive champs for scum who already know their teammates. Warwick and trynd are just garbage imo. First off, Jonny does some speculation on ban based on second abilities but wants other people to ignore that. Second, he dismisses Urgot as wasted based on just being KP. Third, he continues the "Urgot bad" rap but starts considering other interactions. Fourth, he makes a point on how specific champs and work in coordination with knowing who's who. I would expect at this point Jonny to be able to put together that straight damage and increased DoT is exceptionally powerful in coordination with focus fire from a team. Additionally, his ban of choice was Nocturne which has a watcher (investigation) ability on it. Considering his focus on banning information denial roles, it would make sense that he could easily see a Town use for this ability. Next there's an extreme adversarial tone he takes with practically everyone: On November 30 2013 14:54 JonnyLaw wrote: Gerpit tunneling you is just clogging this thread. On December 01 2013 06:52 JonnyLaw wrote: Also Rayn you made this a long read this morning. Can we try not to argue about dumb shit? This is not directed at you alone but you seem the most willing to try and help focus the town. All that shit posting will make lazy town less likely to pay attention to the game. On December 01 2013 11:18 JonnyLaw wrote: Get your shit together or I'm saying you are scum or at the least, not helping the town actively. The series of personal attacks and shit posting for ten pages gave me nothing yet. I'll post again after I see what scum ban. On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. On December 03 2013 06:34 JonnyLaw wrote: And what's the point of posting this shit? I don't like this vibe at all. He's saying scum won't act scummy while he's acting scummiest of all. On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. What really bothers me about this is if you read his filter it's pretty full of stuff like this. More importantly, he can obviously and absolutely recognize "shit posting" and tells people to shape up, get better, etc. However you can also tell from his posts that he makes no effort to do more than "shit posting" himself. IIRC this is a scumtell that Marv uses at points. The fact that there's so much complaining about "shit posting" while not having a single post in his filter that I value is exceptionally telling to me. This tells me that he's more interested in flinging "shit" than in analyzing and providing information. Back to point 1: Uncertainty. This is Prome's strongest point in his case IMO: On December 04 2013 17:36 Promethelax wrote: Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post. 1. threat 2. it was a weak threat 3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead. 4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it. So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch. The point that I want to reinforce about this is that 90% or more of Jonny's scum reads are exceptionally uncertain. He's clearly not comfortable calling people scum. On December 03 2013 16:23 JonnyLaw wrote: I don't have any meta to play with but he's not helpful to town I guess? On December 04 2013 07:59 JonnyLaw wrote:I was inclined to say bum isn't scum because he actually stuck to his plan rather than taking the easy way out and voting LSB. Then I looked at the timing and he literally had no pressure on him from any other source aside from LSB. It's easy to blend in when you can claim you're sticking to your plan. He literally does nothing aside from propose how we ban and tunnel jcarl. I'm okay with this vote. On December 03 2013 06:35 JonnyLaw wrote: If he doesn't contribute I have no problem policy lynching him as a last resort. Until that happens I'd rather focus on people we can read since they're actually playing the game. On December 03 2013 06:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Kush I like you just fine as a person I'm certain. I don't like you reacting to being called scum with a "im voting you!" It's an odd reaction to me. Childish or trolling I don't know. I think OWB rolled scum and quit. Straight up. Your play isn't convincing me otherwise. I agree with you that Kurumi's trying to lead the town while not actually saying anything outside of game policy and how we should be playing. There's not a lot of substance aside from when he's asked directly or arguing with you. Maybe you two have some problem I wasn't aware of before this game. On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. On December 05 2013 08:39 JonnyLaw wrote: I find nothing gtrs has done to be town leaning. He wrote a bunch of posts about champions in league then wrote a case on jcarl that serves to defend himself. That's it. Either league abilities or attacking soniv. It's exceptionally hard to find any point where Jonny feels comfortable calling people scum or explaining why he thinks those people should be lynched. I find this really scummy because as scum you know who scum is. It's really, really easy to make absolutely fantastic cases against them and analyze why they're scum. Jonny being able to recognize bad posting, continue to do it and continue to never have any sort of solid scum read shows me how absolutely uncertain he is to push a case. As a huge bonus, Jonny is a major lurker. 3 pages in a 180. ##vote JonnyLaw I look into Austin and a few others after my tests tomorrow. | ||
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On December 06 2013 07:24 Chezinu wrote: Hey geript! Can you tell me why my former self didn't like you very much? No clue. What do you think of jonny and why? | ||
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Moc can you give me a summary point list on why Austin is scum. I saw it come up but read it during break in class and don't remember it. | ||
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I really hope you're town chez because otherwise if you keep playing like this were fucked. | ||
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Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well. | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: I gave it to rayn because he had announced he would protect Koshi so we could get an item out. So, I protected rayn so he didn't get role blocked. Working from the "town benefits from having our inventor make things for us" perspective, it seems like a logical course of action. I really don't buy this explanation. | ||
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To clarify, if you were concerned with protecting the role of (Koshi) a player who had done nothing to confirm his towniness at that point then you could've just given the lantern to Koshi. Second, players > roles; by giving the lantern to Marv you protect 2/3 players assuming they're all town and reveal scum in the case of either Koshi/Rayn. Third, I think the whole super inventor plan is an exceptionally pro-scum plan because at best things start working on D3 or d4 at the earliest limiting action analysis for 1-2 days instead of starting it right at D2. I could go on but I have a lot left to do at work and I have 2 tests which I didn't study for this past weekend because of have laryngitis. | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: not true. Chez is perfectly readable town and scum. He's town this game. Go and look at his games, there is a stark difference. I have no clue how you get this nor do I have any interest in learning how you did it because I'm not going to play a game with him ever again. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:42 austinmcc wrote: Gonna go read Johnny since he's at issue. Please read and analyze my case against him too | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Geript's case is bad. Mocsta won't drop unless something more convenient arrives at his doorstep. I think that's scummy. Look jonny here's my perspective on it. This is as much as you've said about the case. You've done nothing to address any of the points. It looks like you're more interested from your posts in trying to say that X person should be town, or is "shit" or "plays like shit" then actually addressing in a clear and constructive way points on why you think X player is scum. Like we want meat from you but it feels like all you're doing is letting your ego play and blow hot air everywhere. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: IMO we should be lynching non-me lurkers. Coagulation comes to mind. Yes, Coag deserves to be shot/lynched/mod killed. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Most everyone talking just seems town to me and it sucks that we have so many people that aren't saying anything I'm not totally sure on this but I'm ok enough most of the active posters that I like this plan. Also, premature I'm sorry to Oats, you made a post that I think would be really hard for you to make as scum (re people getting snippy back at you). | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm saying what do you think of the IDEA? It's not a bad one right? Like, tell me if you think lynching lurkers is a bad plan. You know me. Me and wave love lurker lynches. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm thankin marv was scum. Like I didn't wanna say it when he was in the game but he's not now and I think his slot is probably scum. Disqus. Wholly disagree. Marv felt exactly like how he did in a previous game I played with him. He also shut down some major fights between me and others. Plus, I can't see Marv replacing out when he's playing the scum game of the century. | ||
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@VE. You like me noted the odd easy majority on Bum and how it makes your ass itch. It makes mine tingle and not in a good way. Why didn't you do like me and start pushing a different lynch? | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote: DIE AUSTIN. DIE SCUMMY SCUM SCUM. Why do you have to make posts that make me think you're scum. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:00 austinmcc wrote: Some dudes is apparently trying to lynch me. The nerve. Also, most of them are probably town. So, that's not great. You got any passionate austin-is-town speeches? But only if you think I'm town. It's funny that you say this. I looked at the last vote count and after thinking about it I was like, "Man, there is exactly 1 scum on Austin and 2-3 pissing votes elsewhere ." | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I think he totes town. Maybe. I'm trusting the Dick-O-Meter on this one - if he's scum bringing his ailments and sickness to the table pretty low. Like, not reprehensible, just not someplace I'd expect Onegu to go as scum. Dick move analysis doesn't apply in this case IMO. Trust me on this one. | ||
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But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post On December 04 2013 16:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: here's what I got out of geript: never once does he properly analyze oats and is content to simply lean on his "gut read" he constantly talks about both oats and jay but never really tries to get people to join him and instead simply tells people to vote them because his targets are guaranteed scum. The biggest thing I get out of geript is a bunch of noise and posts without doing anything substantial. For instance, he has his main targets but he brings up others on the side and never follows up. He's in that twilight zone where you can't blame him for the bum mislynch but he was definitely involved. Probably the biggest thing in geript's favor is calling out people like austin and coag, both of whom are low content lurkers. If he's scum he could be bussing his teammates but it's a point in his favor that he doesn't let them fall through the cracks. However the reason why this doesn't clear him is because he never follows up with any of this. It's easy enough to call out lurkers as scum but he never actually follows through which makes me think this was an effort to appear protown. geript is frustratingly inconclusive for me. He's done things I feel are scummy (hence my gutread) but I couldn't put it into a coherent analysis. This is the problem I was running into earlier in the game when I was looking at geript and sadly bum's death hasn't really made it any easier. He could be scum but I'd rather look into bum's other suspects right now. Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point: On December 04 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote: [/b]geript hard defends Rayn d0 and really puts his foot down about it. He takes a hard stance which I rather like. Its odd, everything I'm seeing seems to objectively point to scum but I don't find it convincing. There is something in how geript is thinking that seems silly but not scummy maybe? I can't explain it right. He is ringing all the scum bells but it feels like he is ringing them for the wrong reasons. He has all this ill founded bravado that I think would be hard for him to do as scum. He is very in your face and it seems townie. I like geript's day one play, he is all around the place. Starts on jay but doesn't stick. Has gotten over his bad tunnel. HIts oats. People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share. Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff. [insert Jay's post on VE] Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions On December 05 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Jay where were posts like that one like...all game long? On December 05 2013 02:17 Koshi wrote: That post makes jay town in my book. Don't know if it makes VE more scum but delurk is delurky. On December 05 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote: [i]I sat there and thought huh, that's interesting. Let's look in these spoilers. Oh yeah, VE did do that stuff jay said. He's actually gone and researched this. Hmm, this is an interesting perspective which gave some thought. *goes to move jay back from scummy to null in spreadsheet*. I wonder if it genuinely makes VE scummy or if it's just coincidence? Probably just coincidence for now, but it's interesting at any rate. Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny." MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me. Another thing that really bothers me is this: On December 05 2013 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ...you made kurumi get himself modkilled... have you ever seen a scum do that? This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction. In summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted. | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:51 Chezinu wrote: What are your thoughts about MZ not claiming to have taken damage? I'm not seeing a real reason to lie about this, but I'm equally confused about that whole situation. | ||
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On December 06 2013 16:04 OdinOfPergo wrote: orrrr... geript... I'm here... right now.... considering Oengu's... erm... like... erm only case... is umm.... against me.... you could filter me and him and ask me about it? It's 2am here and I have 2 tests tomorrow at 9 and 12. Not gonna happen yet. I will get to it. Just try to filter and analyze. Yes even though copy machine is drunk. | ||
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On December 06 2013 16:09 ticklishmusic wrote: My activity is spotty, but I'm definitely posting more casually and frequently as the game goes on and I get more comfortable. I'm also becoming slightly more invested with every post I make. Post more then | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:41 Roffles wrote: MZ flip flops as much as John Kerry. No mod kill for Roffles today likely. I'm happy to lynch him. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin I am genuinely confused about your case on me. You don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy. I agree with you that I don't like all of Austin's case, but I still ended up finding you scummy for other reasons. Mind explaining those reads. | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:47 geript wrote: [/b]@Austin. Honestly I'm frustratingly mixed on MZ. Like I think you have a great point that he doesn't push his scumreads half as forcefully as he does his VE townread. Like that's you're best point. But I feel like I have a really good grasp on WoS (<3 you wubbybumpkins--except you know making my player Uzi is totally a bastard host move), so I can understand his faith in that read. But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point: People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share. Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff. [insert Jay's post on VE] Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny." MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me. Another thing that really bothers me is this: This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction. In summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted. | ||
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On December 07 2013 01:01 geript wrote: Mental note: Odin, Onegu, gtrsrs, jcarl. @MZ. Could you also give a read on these 4. I was planning on looking at them when I came back. | ||
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On December 07 2013 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote: nonononono. Lets not fucking lynch MZ, the towniest dude day 2. Nope. No. Stop. Right. Now. Lynch Roffles for not doing SHIT and just pointing stuff that looks 'bad' but not following up on anything, just content to sit back and chill out and watch town mislynch mz. You're going to need to explain this Oats. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:35 Chezinu wrote: I know more than that. Did you see my post? I know what ability he used last night. Feral scream. Yo Chez. Which of my 3 powers did I use last night and who did I target? | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:07 sandroba wrote: basically, it's pretty high probability that there is around 3 mafia on the top 12 or so. Take a look at the top 12 and tell me who can be scum. I'd be interested in who you think. MZ has a higher odds of flipping scum IMO. | ||
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On December 07 2013 04:34 sandroba wrote: jc- possible. geript- given how forth comming he was with his claim and his overall behavior I find it unlikely austin- yes koshi - we are bound to find out eventually suprises me that you left out JL/risen, people I'm unsure about myself Yah. Like I really think that's a bad list. | ||
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JAT. Claim what role you got and what you picked. Now. | ||
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On December 07 2013 07:39 justanothertownie wrote: Why? I got the role I picked so that's the same. The more I look at this response the more it makes you look like confirmed scum to me. A town JAT would easily recognize with the number of revealed roles and the players claiming them, that there's no way your role has any significance in the next 2-3 days. And it's not like JAT is obv town to grab an nk either. | ||
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On December 07 2013 08:05 Coagulation wrote: you know gmarsh has to spend his limited free time recording and maintaining the ban list history so it would probably be nice of you guys to NOT WASTE his fucking time with your ego fueled martyr bullshit. just a thought. Let's get this bitch out of the game. | ||
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On December 07 2013 08:39 Chezinu wrote: One time I lived with Coag on an island. He was in my tribe and we trained pokemon. I don't remember him being unlikables. Seriously wish I could figure out how to hide all of your posts. | ||
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On December 07 2013 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: so geript, you're not gonna explain your vote on me? Perhaps the points I made in my filter are enough. Or should I quote it here for you. | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:47 geript wrote: [/b]@Austin. Honestly I'm frustratingly mixed on MZ. Like I think you have a great point that he doesn't push his scumreads half as forcefully as he does his VE townread. Like that's you're best point. But I feel like I have a really good grasp on WoS (<3 you wubbybumpkins--except you know making my player Uzi is totally a bastard host move), so I can understand his faith in that read. But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point: People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share. Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff. [insert Jay's post on VE] Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny." MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me. Another thing that really bothers me is this: This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction. In summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:12 jaybrundage wrote: KK lets talk on consolidating on Roffles or austin. If your town you should get off the MZ wagon. Letting there be three wagons lets scum manipulate it much easier. We should narrow this down between 2 people. I'm still on the fence regarding the two. But MZ should NOT be a lynch candidate today. Saying it does not make it so. Make a point that we can read/discuss. Otherwise I'm going with the reasons I've posted. As a matter of fact, the fact that MZ didn't know why I was voting him shows me he isn't/hasn't read the thread. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote: Geript do you have anything to add to the case supersoft posted on MZ. Before you say I haven't been reading the thread I stated that I was 20 pages behind. Do you agree with the SS summary or do you have a post or something you would like me to read. I made a post on MZ that I've quoted twice I think. Also posted it recently to MZ. | ||
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On December 07 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't want you dead bbygrl 8 minutes explain who you want dead then. | ||
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On December 07 2013 11:49 geript wrote: MZ the crux of my arguments I feel are based on the fact that you seem to come to wildly different conclusions or reactions than I'd expect town to have. The point of the Koshi thing isn't you jumping on Koshi, it's the fact that, while Jay's analysis wasn't great, it showed towny mentality. You're response was "sure give a free pass to everyone". Like that comes more from scum losing a mislynch to me more than town frustration. Plus, if you thought his conclusion was wrong it makes more sense to point it out and pressure Jay more. | ||
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On December 07 2013 13:05 Coagulation wrote: I clearly havnt done anything. Well this part is as least true. The fact that you're happy to flaunt that you are doing the exact minimum to not get mod killed is reason enough. Congratulations though, you're the primary reason why I'm leaving the community. You must be proud of yourself. | ||
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On December 24 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote: geript was interesting. Vote change and kill townie over scum and then ragequit cuz he was annoyed by a scummer -_-* Sure Coag pissed me the hell off, but I was honestly far more pissed off by the fact that the mods hadn't taken care of him before then. That type of play is 100% unacceptable imo and if I had been the mod I would've MK'd him on D1 when he had 2 posts for the whole day regardless of any reason he gives/gave. If you /in or /replace in a game and are selected to play, then I expect you to try regardless of alignment. I find it exceptionally ironic that his play has been deemed "acceptable" and my play not (as clearly evidence by mod ban request choices). | ||
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On December 24 2013 05:25 Dandel Ion wrote: So policy lynch him. Hosts are not your free policy lynches on players that didn't even break any rules. Ok. Then I will specifically join games you join and make mandatory posts and nothing more just to force you to policy lynch me. You will see how "fun" that becomes. On December 24 2013 05:27 jaybrundage wrote: Lurking is a strategy as scum. Granted not a great one. There's a difference between "lurking" and not playing. Coag did the latter. | ||
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On December 24 2013 05:43 Kurumi wrote: Coagulation has played like this since I remember, as I talked with people on TS I would've told you that he is probably scum, but in a fit of rage I decided to kill myself. Sorry guys. He either posts cryptic stuff/laid back stuff when he has a cool role, does nothing if he is town OR annoys people who he thinks are scum, if he is scum he just goes "gonna cruise to victory because town never policy lynches". Just because that type of play has been around since the Stone Age it doesn't mean that type of play should be allowed. It doesn't matter it it were Coag or Marv or god herself. | ||
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On December 24 2013 05:54 justanothertownie wrote: Then try to lynch him for it. What you did was way worse and much more frustrating to me than coags playstyle. So you're saying I should improve up to Coag's style. Thank you for proving my point. Ask and ye shall receive. | ||
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On December 24 2013 05:59 kitaman27 wrote: I don't think it's reasonable to expect the hosts to enforce rules that don't exist. The rule for this game was one post per cycle. Coag did not violate this rule. While I agree that the activity rules may need to be reevaluated, that's something that should be discussed regarding future games, not the current one. Furthermore, coag was mafia and extreme lurking is a viable strategy if he is playing towards his win condition. Whether or not it should be an accepted strategy can be up for discussion, but it has been accepted in the past and there is certainly no reason to expect a modkill for it this game. Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. This does not mean, for example, that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. If you're not playing to win you risk a modkill. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game; I will attempt to accommodate. So this wasn't in the OP? So "playing to win" doesn't include playing the game? I firmly disagree with you. There's a clear difference between Lurking and not fucking posting at all ever. In the ~150-200 pages that Coag played the game, he had a page and a half of filter. Being 3.33% to 4.54% of the player but posting < 1% of the discourse while having 0 content whatsoever, that's playing to win as scum? That's not playing to win as any alignment. Expect me to come back as fast as I can to implement this "winning strategy" regardless of alignment. | ||
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