PYP: League of Legends Mafia

On November 25 2013 20:53 Koshi wrote:
jeez WoS want the MZ penis. Poor Mr. Lion King and supersoft (:

On November 30 2013 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
M_Z actually yeah. I think that should get banned over delayed flips.
Who would you give top 5 pick spots (not including yourself) atm?

On November 30 2013 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Sounds really good, except for Sandroba. I think he was jsut posting general stuff about "bad roles for the town" and being very wishy-washy about it (like jay was) ending the post in "what do you guys think" -> gave no real opinion.

On November 30 2013 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the following people;
VE, gtrsrs, jay, supersoft?

On November 30 2013 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I hate giving people spots or some "extra priviliges" based on reputation. That's retarded.

On November 30 2013 18:05 bumatlarge wrote:
I think in some order, Urgot, Heimerdinger, Graves, Nocturne or Janna need to be banned.
Yorick isn't really that scary, flips are overrated.

We need to know who has Victor and Warwick and any others not banned from above from what I can tell.

On December 02 2013 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jay is basically a lynchbait as town afaik.
Does not make him town, obviously, but worth of double-checking and not just blindly lynching him.

On November 30 2013 17:04 gtrsrs wrote:
##Ban: Yorick

pretty straightforward. graves and talon seem like good bans as well

"also since a lot of you are more experienced or adamant about this game and the order, i'll pick somewhat low numbers so i don't harsh your vibe

sorry for the terrible post but seeing as most of the posts so far have also been terrible i don't feel so bad."

On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote:




is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game

On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think gtrsrs is one of the most transparent players in the game so far. Not gonna vote for him.
Why is VE town for you? How is VE helping the town?

On December 02 2013 15:07 Kenpachi wrote:
I don't like geript reason stated earlier. But yeah, people are saying he's town from a meta point of view. Name is somewhat familiar but I havent played in a long time and I don't have the luxury of that atm.

oh and hi. im busy

On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote:
I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie.

To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do.

On December 02 2013 15:11 Kenpachi wrote:

im not sheeping. I believe hes scum

On December 02 2013 15:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't care about explaining my town reads unless you are making a case on them.
What Roffles said about gtrsrs is totally right and MZ you didn't explain anything in your read on VE, you did not even answer my question about "how has VE been helping the town".

On December 02 2013 15:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How is this so hard MZ? Tell me how VE is helping the town. Where is he transparent and contributing to proving his towniness? Can you actually quote some posts of his and tell how they help the town instead of giving a textbook town qualities and say "VE fits into the category of people who do these things"?

On December 02 2013 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But there is no analysis. Not a single one. On before D1 i mean.
I can't understand how you can possibly have a town read on him based on N0.

On December 02 2013 15:48 Mocsta wrote:
HI VISCERA
I CAN YELL TOO
....

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF MZ

On July 18 2013 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Both of those are terribad.

like very terribad. VE gets lynched for doing dumb shit like this all the time, as for FT I really have no idea what you people think is scummy about him.

Try again boo boo.

On December 02 2013 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think VE is town for his contributions on D1. I think you are scum for calling him town for his contributions from N0 because he was definitely not townie back then.

On December 02 2013 16:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
MZ, whats your read on Rayn since he is so wrong about VE

On December 02 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote:
MZ

Are you intentionally ignoring me?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&currentpage=54#1072

On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:
OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo).

I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs.
My read on him aside
(1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him
someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first
(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment
(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say
(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives.

On December 02 2013 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ let's play a game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=visceraeyes
How is this different than this game?

On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies?

On December 02 2013 16:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE.

Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment.

On December 02 2013 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

My point is this. You are calling gtrsrs scum because he is working with scum-agenda. I assume this is because he got a vanilla role and posted about voting for anyone who picked "his role".

What's the difference between that and my posts like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
Because both can be labeled as frustration or "shitting up the thread" based on which side you look at it from. If you are looking at gtrsrs' posts from "shitting up the thread" point of view why the hell do you have a townread on me?

On December 02 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:
I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you.sigh, so in order to be working towards the scum objective of not getting caught you have to actually not get caught? This literally makes no sense, that implies that if a scum is caught they aren't scum because they got caught. Do you understand how dumb that sounds?

So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum?
Like, in your case you originally point out LSB.
Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs?
Because I think he's scum. But if someone comes along who I consider a better candidate I'll vote them. Why do you have a problem with me voting? He's in no danger of dying at the moment. As for LSB, that's a gut feeling and I need to see him post more (as I said) before I can draw anything from it

This is acceptable.
good -_-

And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town.
I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion.
He is shitting up the thread and trying not to look like he's doing so. That's scummy

On December 02 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:
Points 1-3 are accepted.

Point 4 -- I dont follow this conclusion.
What has he done to shit the thread; even you acknowledge his post content is low.
Further, he seems to be keeping everything within his own microcosm.

Vote remains.

On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote:




is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game

On December 03 2013 10:37 Risen wrote:

That's odd since I've been in an argument with DLS JSB or whatever the hell his name is.

On December 03 2013 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ Koshi is probably town.

On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:

Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2.

Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason

On December 03 2013 12:29 LSB wrote:

It is evident that we have significantly different opinions on playing the game. I have no idea why you would think I would not be all for verifying people's roles when I have made it a significant part of my Roleclaim crusade.

On December 03 2013 12:35 LSB wrote:

I don't you have read my filter at all

On December 03 2013 12:40 OdinOfPergo wrote:
so per my previous post... his logic doesn't matter in the past few hours as alls he's done in the past day and a half is still bad.

On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote:

Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill.

I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same?

On December 03 2013 15:06 geript wrote:
Pinpricks to death it is I guess.

On December 04 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ what do you think of this:

Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB?
For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read.

On December 05 2013 00:49 Koshi wrote:
I am riding the untouchable nature of the inventor but I love town and I hope we as town prevails!

I have no scumreads atm. Except Kurumi.

On December 05 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote:

So? That applies to 10 players or something this game. From the mafia database, Roffles' last played (town) game:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517&user=Roffles&view=all

You think he gave a shit in that filter?

On December 05 2013 00:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Again, I say that this describes Roffles in anything. I don't like it, and would love for him to actually do something, because the amount of lurkers is really dangerous for us, but it's Roffles...

On December 05 2013 01:00 Koshi wrote:

I have played so many town games in a row and that scenario does not happen. I'll see what I can do on D2.

On December 05 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote:

I think Roffles is well known on TL as a whole for being a reasonably aggressive sort of chap.

My point in general was that "he's doing nothing/being an ass/some other annoying thing" is sadly not a reason enough on its own, because it applies to too many people. So a check on meta for these people is useful.

(kush)
Rean
(ticklish)
gtrsrs
Roffles
Onegu
Risen
Kenpachi
Coagulation
jaybrundage

Gotta try to pick between these sorts of players somehow.

On December 05 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote:

I scumhunted so hard that I made Kurumi get himself modkilled. I got 6 pages of filter and I am the only one that did anything with the number vote thingies which we will all remember once people start flipping. On top of that I have answered each question asked to me honestly and quickly.

The onle thing I did not donis gave you a list with the entire scumteam on. HOW DARE I.

Instead of creating scenarios in which Kurumi has a green check. Why dont you fucking discuss my lenghty case on Kurumi or the points that I raise about him?

On December 05 2013 01:40 kushm4sta wrote:


This isn't a read on you.this is statistically the right play.
There are so many scum.you are very active. You have been wrong once already and you had a shit case on bum which you knew was shit.
If you do not push a scum lynch d2 town should just vig you or something

On December 05 2013 01:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Hi mz why are you town ?

On December 05 2013 02:17 Koshi wrote:
That post makes jay town in my book. Don't know if it makes VE more scum but delurk is delurky.

On December 05 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:

This is one of the worst posts in the game.

On December 05 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote:

Fed up with what though? Me considering he is scum?
He gets targeted by me and decides to stop posting and "the game isn't fun anymore" while he is having 10 scumreads. at least 6 without explanation and the ones he has and explanation about I asked more about and he "forgot" why those were scum and downplayed his reads to "gutreads".

Anyway, I agree with you all he is probably going to flip town on the daypost but we will see. I will be amused when he doesn't flip at daypost.

On December 05 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
Yours, MZ.

It's completely ridiculous and over the top. My reaction was almost identical to Koshi's actually. What happened when I read jay's post? Something like:

I sat there and thought huh, that's interesting. Let's look in these spoilers. Oh yeah, VE did do that stuff jay said. He's actually gone and researched this. Hmm, this is an interesting perspective which gave some thought. *goes to move jay back from scummy to null in spreadsheet*. I wonder if it genuinely makes VE scummy or if it's just coincidence? Probably just coincidence for now, but it's interesting at any rate.

Instead you go on full-bitch about it about half-assed analysis and broadcast to the scumteam and other over the top nonsense? Really?

On December 05 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi just wrote in succinct form something pretty similar to what I thought and said there.

Whatever this frustration you have with Koshi is, I'm finding it quite bizarre the way you're going about it.

On December 05 2013 02:31 marvellosity wrote:

Even the way this is worded doesn't come from the perspective that you think Koshi is mafia, it's couched in the terms of Koshi's message to the scumteam, with the implication that Koshi is not of the scumteam. It's all pretty weird to be honest Meapak.

Do you think jay's analysis is half-assed? Because that's what you said. Or is it hyperbole? If it's hyperbole, why?

On December 05 2013 02:46 marvellosity wrote:

No, it did translate, the point is that consciously or subconsciously, those are the terms you phrased your attack in. And you felt it was ok to attack Koshi's stance on what jay had just said without having really read what jay just said? Colour me unimpressed.

On December 05 2013 19:10 Koshi wrote:

I wanted to create an event with a big picture and normally all this should have been done in the thread. But hosts didn't allow that it seems so it is probably a night action. This is what it does.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 06 2013 16:57 Mocsta wrote:
mz

thats not the brunt of the case?

its one aspect, please address the rest. wouldnquote but phone ya know.

and what about HP, are u full health?

On December 07 2013 00:56 Mocsta wrote:

itsna lot more than that

everything u do goes no where without explaining why it's dropped
e.g? gtrsrs

there's more. read the past 2 pages between Austin and me
too hard to type it all

On December 07 2013 01:10 geript wrote:

@MZ. Could you also give a read on these 4. I was planning on looking at them when I came back.

On December 07 2013 01:44 sandroba wrote:
MZ GIMME DAT CLAIM MAN. THE FASTA THE BETTA.

On December 06 2013 01:21 Mig wrote:


Yes 825, I don't actually know that this was jonny tho (seems likely). The pm only says your result is 825.

On December 07 2013 02:13 sandroba wrote:

Actually mig claimed 825, so he hit your decoy for 125 and it came back 825, makes sense. I wonder why you don't seem concerned at all about Mig hitting you or being scum? Also what thought process did you go through when deciding to use your ability night 1?

On December 07 2013 02:13 sandroba wrote:

Actually mig claimed 825, so he hit your decoy for 125 and it came back 825, makes sense. I wonder why you don't seem concerned at all about Mig hitting you or being scum? Also what thought process did you go through when deciding to use your ability night 1?

On December 07 2013 02:32 LSB wrote:

Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me

On December 07 2013 02:40 sandroba wrote:


Prove it. I'm all ears. I've read this game a trillion times already and I can't get anywhere.

On December 07 2013 03:50 sandroba wrote:
By my current town reads and taking into consideration the draft order, I'm pretty confident that either you or austin HAVE to be scum for this game to make any sense at all. So yeah MZ, if you are town you should be voting austin.

On December 07 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
nah, it's too complicated and is based on a bunch of assumptions a lot of people would have a problem with =P

On December 07 2013 04:00 sandroba wrote:
maybe we would be better off lynching you first though, you seem to be pretty disconected from this game. Hmm...

On December 07 2013 04:01 sandroba wrote:

Whoa, why so defensive all of a sudden?

On December 07 2013 04:22 sandroba wrote:


MZ don't you agree that mafia should be higher up on the list on average? I think my top 12 estimative is pretty mild. Looking at those top 12 who do you find suspicious? It's even better to look at that group right now since 2 townies have already flipped from it.

On December 07 2013 04:27 Mig wrote:


Why wouldnt you be concerned that I shot you lol. Being shot is something to be concerned over and if I knew who shot me I would be looking into them to see whether they shot me as a townie or scum. You just seem lacksidasical about it all. You cared enough about the game to rage about people playing bad but then just shrug your shoulders at someone claiming to shoot you? Seems weird to me.

What do you think about austin? Who do you plan on voting for?

On December 07 2013 04:31 sandroba wrote:

Yes. Whatever strategy they choose to go with, since they can coordinate their picks and it's in their best interest to get placed high up on the draft list, they are going to be on average placed higher up than the average townie. Given that if it was completely random you would expect on average 3 scum on top 15, I think it's pretty safe to assume that there is a high chance of being 3 scum on top 12.

On December 07 2013 04:34 sandroba wrote:
jc- possible.
geript- given how forth comming he was with his claim and his overall behavior I find it unlikely
austin- yes
koshi - we are bound to find out eventually

suprises me that you left out JL/risen, people I'm unsure about myself

On December 07 2013 04:53 sandroba wrote:

Bottom line is I think austin is scum from that post I quoted alone. I don't think his comeback makes him more townie at all. And there is a high probability he is scum given all the people I have my doubts on the top 12 look better than him and that includes you.

On December 07 2013 08:40 Chezinu wrote:

People don't like clones. Are you really you?

On December 07 2013 09:00 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok guys, to chime in. I officially quit this game.
I will not vote.
I will be modkilled at the night post.

I really appreciate the effort put into the making this game.
I'm really sorry for having to make this choice.
The effort from players this game is making it entirely unplayable for me.

See ya guys.

On December 07 2013 09:06 supersoft wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=2

First thing I notice is this whole VE obsession. Even though I mostly agree on the stuff you write, it's too much.
I mean, you call VE town and then you follow that up with way too much analysis on this townie.
From what I remember, VE was never in real trouble. Your contributione was unnecessary.
Unnecessary analysis reeks of scum.

On December 07 2013 09:27 supersoft wrote:


I reread only your filter and it looks exactly as I described it. Unnecessary and scummy.

On December 07 2013 09:36 supersoft wrote:


what do you think about MZs VE analysis and his LSB push?

On December 07 2013 11:07 Koshi wrote:
MZ lynch then. It just.feels right.

On December 07 2013 11:24 supersoft wrote:


re...
I was watching the most recent Thebigbangtheory-episode...
and after that I reread austin.

I know I look extremely terrible if I hammer this lynch in the wrong direction now, but I am going to vote MeapakZ.
I reread austin and his MZ reads look fine to me.
I just don't see him as overly scummy.

I have my issues with MZs play... Screw it. Let's do this.

On December 07 2013 11:31 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think austin is more likely to be town and I don't like the way rayn and jay pushed for his lynch/defended MZ.

On December 07 2013 11:32 supersoft wrote:
GNAAH NO
Reread Austin for yourself - I just don't see the scummieness...

With MZ i have at least some issues....
Yes, this VE was at the very beginning. Still it was strange
LSB looks scummy yes. Still this "stop fucking blue hunt" was artificial

pfffffff

and now his reaction.... could be town, could be scum. I don't know.
Why is everyone just gone.
It's like 9 p.m. in Brazil
Sandro where are you?

On December 06 2013 15:47 geript wrote:
@Austin. Honestly I'm frustratingly mixed on MZ. Like I think you have a great point that he doesn't push his scumreads half as forcefully as he does his VE townread. Like that's you're best point. But I feel like I have a really good grasp on WoS (<3 you wubbybumpkins--except you know making my player Uzi is totally a bastard host move), so I can understand his faith in that read.

But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post

Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point:

prome flipped confirmed town, I don't really understand why you have a problem with my conclusion. Just because I am a vet does not mean I am 100% certain of what is right and what is wrong all the time

People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share.

Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff.
[insert Jay's post on VE]
Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions



Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny."
MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me.

I've already explained this several times, I'll explain it again. koshi was acting completely worthless and it pissed me off. I don't understand why people have a problem with me going after him and questioning him. Like when did it suddenly become not ok to question people who you weren't planning on lynching at that very moment?

Another thing that really bothers me is this:

This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction.

As far as I can recall I have never seen a scum rage quit. This is just different experience
In summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted.

On December 07 2013 11:44 supersoft wrote:
what's your hidden abilitie MZ?

On December 07 2013 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
lol

On December 07 2013 14:30 Chezinu wrote:

I think Coag is doing a wonderful job given his role.

On December 07 2013 14:32 Chezinu wrote:

If you get attacked again by Mig, what are you going to do?

On December 07 2013 14:34 Chezinu wrote:

What if he his you for double damage?

On December 07 2013 14:38 Chezinu wrote:

meh, I might just attack koshi then.

On December 08 2013 11:50 Koshi wrote:
If you can dayvig kill MZ. If I am reading things correctly he is scum and Lion King + Koshi town.

##vote: MZ

On December 08 2013 14:48 Coagulation wrote:
So scum isnt really interested in pushing the coag mislynch wagon now that he gots a nuke.. is that what im picking up here?

On December 08 2013 15:40 Coagulation wrote:
##Nuke Meapak_Ziphh

FOR FREEDOM

On December 08 2013 15:40 Coagulation wrote:
##Nuke Meapak_Ziphh

FOR FREEDOM

On December 08 2013 15:43 Rean wrote:
inb4 Coag is trolling hard.

On December 08 2013 16:53 Rean wrote:


You just went full retard man. Never go full retard.

On December 10 2013 08:31 Mig wrote:
I have to go for the rest of the night but murder coag.

I really wonder why my shot on MZ did not work. I doubt very much that mafia would waste a rb on me when my attack only does 125 dmg. So either kassadin stopped my attack or something protected MZ. If the hosts reply that roleblocking does not stop inventions then there is a chance the invention would have worked but MZ lied about using his clone n1 and used it n2 stopping the invention and my shot.

On December 10 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:

The only thing that ever hurt me that you did was playing in TL noir. rofl host.

On December 10 2013 20:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Starting a flame war is actually something I like to do as scum. Koshi's recent behavior does not instill me with confidence that he is town.

On December 10 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote:

You call me worthless.
You call me bad
From fucking day 1

You do fucking nothing.
I actually make a legit case on you.
You reply with Koshi is butthurt.
You continue to do nothing, not play the game.

You don't set the bar on how low we can go.

On December 11 2013 06:13 Mig wrote:
Well no point in arguing a lot about it, but I would just ask yourself if you think mafia is going to shoot you tonight. (the answer is probably no). If you are mafia then disregard.

LSB/MZ neither of you have claimed your second powers. What are they?

On December 07 2013 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once

On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote:
One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.

Correct me if I am wrong.

On December 11 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:

Obviously it doesn't say that. But I think it is much more likely that you used your clone night 2 and he got nothing back while you lied night 1 than that your clone was hit night 1 while he got back a hp value and you somehow magically didn't get hit night 2.

On December 11 2013 09:39 justanothertownie wrote:
To get people to think you are a townie afraid of being nightkilled? To get townies with KP to think you already used your protection?

On December 11 2013 09:47 Mig wrote:
We don't know that MZ used mirror image n1. I attacked him and it gave me a result of 825 hp. I attacked him again n2 and got no result. It is possible that he didn't mirror n1, then did use mirror n2 and I got no result because I hit a clone and they didn't count.

On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:

lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.

On December 11 2013 09:52 justanothertownie wrote:

So instead he just takes the damage - no problem. Although he could prevent that? Yeah, no.

On December 11 2013 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:

No, I can't see the logic flaw and there is no way of knowing you really used it N1.

On December 11 2013 09:59 justanothertownie wrote:

Thank you. The invention alone is enough reason to use the clone.

On December 11 2013 10:06 justanothertownie wrote:
All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead.
I think that includes alignment checks.

Can someone tell me why we assume mkfuba was roleblocked because his ability didn't work? If he tried to use item + ability that might have been too much. Didn't people say you could only do one thing at a time?

On December 11 2013 10:07 Mig wrote:
Ok enough discussion on whether he used his clone n1 or n2. Rayn what do you think about MZ's claimed second power?

MZ who do you think is scum?

On December 11 2013 10:09 justanothertownie wrote:

Irrelevant because nobody would have gotten a result apart from someone died of this check. It would have only killed your clone.

On December 11 2013 10:11 justanothertownie wrote:

It is not even a very believable ability.

On December 11 2013 10:14 justanothertownie wrote:

The item would have checked your clone and your clone would have taken the damage I think that is pretty reasonable to assume.

On December 11 2013 10:16 justanothertownie wrote:

Like I care if you take me seriously.
I don't back off because the defense rayn and you are delivering is really really bad and I was leaning scum on you before anyways.

On December 11 2013 10:18 justanothertownie wrote:

So what do YOU assume would happen if you used your ability and the item was used on you?

On December 11 2013 10:23 justanothertownie wrote:

And if you were scum?

On December 12 2013 08:39 Risen wrote:
Choose Koshi, LSB going to get lynched eventually regardless. Koshi as inventor can easily talk himself out

On December 12 2013 08:52 sandroba wrote:
MZ I must say your 2nd ability claim looks fake as shit. I'm considering lynching MZ the scummer and LSB the sk.

On December 12 2013 09:33 LSB wrote:
Reads from JonnyLaw's death

JAT- GREEN easiest thing in the world to shoot a lurker as mafia and be like "oops"
Mocsta- Green they've thrown too much unnecessary dirt on each other even if no one cares, doesn't look like a bus to me.

Although you probably don't think I'm the best judge of this, but it seems clear to me that JonnyLaw uses "LYNCH LSB or ROFFLES" as a copout to discussion of lynch targets. Like MZ for instance.

On December 12 2013 09:28 Roffles wrote:
I can do anything.

On December 12 2013 09:48 LSB wrote:
Meh everything makes sense if MZ is scum.

I've played with Coag multiple times and I know he isn't stupid enough to throw away his life (especially as mafia) for no reason.

Day 3 is just absurd from an objective point of view. Coag pops out of nowhere with a nuke and sacrifices himself, and JL a mafia is happy to send him along to his death. Coag wasn't under any serious suspicion at the time so I don't see why he would honestly just kill himself. I'm sure he would be happy to lurk away.

I think the whole entire nuke drama was to draw attention off of MZ. After the sour taste of day 2, MZ looked pretty bad and the whole entire Coag fiasco allowed the issue to be pushed out of the radar.

##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Unless I find someone else who I think I should vote for I'm gonna keep my vote on jaybear. I really want this cleared up though.

On December 12 2013 12:43 Roffles wrote:
Honestly it was the fact that people wanted me modkilled for something that trivial which made me lose my will to play this game honestly. If you want to win off technicalities and shit, why are you even playing this game?

On December 12 2013 13:31 Mig wrote:
MZ I agree that LSB's reason for voting you is pretty bad. The nuke reason is especially BS.

If you are town who do you think the mafia rber is?

On December 12 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
There have been like 0 cases on MZ, where is all the push coming from? Sandro? Sandro has been consistently wrong the whole game except for JL. Or Sandro is scum. Probably not though, unless he somehow found out how to play scum properly

On December 12 2013 11:30 Roffles wrote:

Myself and Kushmasta. I don't want to die alone.

On December 12 2013 12:07 Roffles wrote:

I have my reasons.

On December 12 2013 12:21 Roffles wrote:

Perhaps

On December 12 2013 12:43 Roffles wrote:
Honestly it was the fact that people wanted me modkilled for something that trivial which made me lose my will to play this game honestly. If you want to win off technicalities and shit, why are you even playing this game?

On December 12 2013 20:07 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba talking so much about SK... Looks like VA from Sicilian.

Also, if there is an SK, be a cool SK like myself and shoot scum in the future.

Thx.

On December 12 2013 20:14 justanothertownie wrote:

So you are saying scum tried hard to bus day 2 when it was absolutely not necessary because according to you town had 2 wagons on townies going?

On December 12 2013 20:18 justanothertownie wrote:

This is a blatant lie. Roffles was leading in votes for a while. If I remember it correctly even through a scum vote.

On December 07 2013 12:01 Mid or Feed wrote:
Vote count:

supersoft (0): VisceraEyes, jaybrundage
Rean (0): raynpelikoneet
JonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geript
austinmcc (9): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, Risen, geript
OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu
Koshi (0): Chezinu
kushm4sta (0): LSB, sandroba
ticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusic
jcarlsoniv (2): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusic
Chezinu (0): ticklishmusic
Meapak_Zipph (8): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi, kushm4sta, Chezinu, supersoft, justanothertownie
Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLaw
Risen (0): Koshi
VisceraEyes (0): jcarlsoniv
Mig (0): Chezinu
LSB (0): JonnyLaw

Modkill zone (1): OdinOfPergo,

austinmcc is lynched.
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