PYP: League of Legends Mafia

On December 02 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In every PYP game when top picks have claimed their picks and followed some sort of a plan there has been scum found in top 6.

On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways.

On December 02 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The point was to ban the roles so that mafia needs to ban the investigative roles which leaves more room for other good roles to be in the game. Investigations can't be trusted anyways unless townies deny framer/GF/etc. Did you even read the thread yet?

On December 02 2013 09:57 justanothertownie wrote:

Wait. Did you just say claiming now is stupid but claiming when the roles are out is necessary?
THIS is really stupid. Now it is good to claim because the more people claim the more roles town gets. Scum might get more too but there are less of them. Claiming afterwards does not help in this regard but the points raised against claiming are still valid.
Did I misunderstand you?

On December 02 2013 10:29 StorrZerg wrote:
whats your plan lsb?

On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:

SS - Null.
Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game.
I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null.

Geript - Soft town lean.
Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie.

OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean
Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII.

Storrzerg - Null
No idea, nothing really to work off

Sandroba - Null
Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game.
Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out.

gtrsrs - Soft town lean
I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.

Oatsmaster - ??
It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally.
He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good...
I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips??

Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean
He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?

On December 03 2013 03:01 LSB wrote:


I'm still reading the thread, but I don't know if this is normal for Mocsta, but this post is a classic example of saying a ton that doesn't make up for anything. To me Mocsta is posting a lot to seem like an active townie, but nothing substantial but "null" or "leans" that really are just filler and don't contribute anything to the discussion.

##Vote: Mocsta

On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role.

On December 02 2013 06:05 bumatlarge wrote:
In this list, I'm going to try to take into account what people have said they would do. I don't expect people to follow this, but know that I will pressure people who are high on the list and do not want to disclose what they are picking.

15. bumatlarge - Tryndamere
I feel like tryn is too threatening for mafia, and hopefully mafia won't take it, or I'll know. I hopefully won't use it.

On December 03 2013 03:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:


And I now realize that my thoughts on LSB are conflicting and I'm confused now.

On December 03 2013 03:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:


And what if it isn't a fake claim? What if it is mafia LSB that has tryndamere?

LSB - why did you pick tryn when it seemed bum would do so?

On December 03 2013 07:03 sandroba wrote:
@lsb i did roleclaim, but i don't think anyone should be doing this yet.

Maybe when people actually do something and put forward some actual info role claims can be beneficial/necessary.

On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:

what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left.

On December 03 2013 05:23 Risen wrote:

1) So they are not misused? They will be misused if scum knows what we're doing and knows where we're aiming things. Revealed by process of elimination? How? Not every role got picked, some people got VT from choosing something other people chose.
2) Why is this good again? This whole statement is so condescending and self-centered. Reads as you don't want everyone's input on role actions, you just want to know where the things are being aimed.
3) Except mafia can also help direct claimed town so...
4) Right now? But you reserve the right to later. Got it.

On December 03 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LSB - Could you do some scumhunting instead of just mindlessly yelling everyone to massclaim? Like i know it's the best idea but when people are not willing to do it there is nothing you can do about it. Right now it seems like you are intentionally shouting for an idea that's pro-town but what you can never achieve. What's the point?

On December 03 2013 08:48 sandroba wrote:
@LSB
MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first.

On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH POLICY LYNCH ME

On December 03 2013 09:58 Coagulation wrote:
sup

On December 03 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:


First of all the bolded parts seems like a contradiction. He wants to look into people who have actual content (bigger filters) but all he talks about before and after are lurkers with short filters (besides MZ).

Also it feels like he is pretty caught up and knows how much people have posted, yet he focuses on lurkers and then says he does not want to focus on lurkers but on other people.

On December 03 2013 11:44 bumatlarge wrote:


I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy.

On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote:
I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public.

On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim.

On December 02 2013 19:06 Koshi wrote:

I can use all the powers. Also it's super awesome. Like almost better than the invention stuff.

Do you know cool inventions? I already got 4 items send to the hosts though.

Aegis
Dagon
BKB
Ghost Scepter

Some are pretty weak though.

On December 02 2013 09:42 Koshi wrote:
Aegis
Dagon lvl 5 first.

I will break this LoL game with DotA items.

On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote:
You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't?

On December 03 2013 12:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
Bum I get your point that improved played doesn't mean not scum. I'm just not feeling the scumminess. I read through your original post again and yes you do make some good points. Do they scream scum? That's a stretch.

LSB's incessant spamming of the claim now plus the list concerns me more. Moving up the slightly to prove you're tryndamere might be helpful but dealing damage to everyone along the way? I don't buy it man. If you think Bum's scum try and get him lynched instead of damaging half the town on your way up.

On December 03 2013 12:19 OdinOfPergo wrote:
yes... but you have 1 issue with him... and per that issue regardless of his other post you're ready to kp him for it.
This seems really odd to me.

On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie.

a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better
b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched.
c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used
d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person

Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far.

On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum.

On December 03 2013 12:31 bumatlarge wrote:


To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role.

If jcarl claims, I'll claim.

If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim.

On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB

For the love of all that is town

Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting

On December 03 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:

so how does this help town? Lets say everyone but vet/dt/medic's claim and there is suddenly huge kp somewhere and stuff. How do you know scum didnt fakeclaim something, YOU DONT KNOW JACK SHIT. And all it does is that it outs our blues so easy shots for scum.

On December 03 2013 09:05 LSB wrote:

I have read the rules, in fact I think you should go over the rules and abilities too as well as think for a bit before critiquing a plan.

What mass claims seeks to accomplish is twofold.

1) Firstly to confirm claims and locations of dangerous roles. For example my role can potentially be dangerous if I abuse it too much. A massclaim allows me to verify that I hold onto the role. We can verify this threefold. First of all we can look at the position on the list, that is a piece of public information. Second of all we can compare how much damage people took. For example if I lied about my damage and instead say I did 800 damage each, people would easily be able to tell. Tonight when I verify my role people will be able to verify how much damage I do also. Thirdly there are tracker roles so we can verify claims that way

2) To check the abilities of said dangerous roles and make sure they are not abused. The classic example is my role. If I use it only to verify the fact that I have the role, it is only a few instance of 50 damage. However if I did not claim and just spent my time running around laughing like an idiot, I could easily do 250 damage a night. We are significantly checking mafia KP.

Why we cannot accomplish these two objectives without a mass claim.

This is because there are roles that augment anothers power. My role is very meaningless by itself. But if you add on abilities that allow me to do more damage than usual, suddenly my damage is multiplied by a ton. Without a mass role claim mafia can easily hide a huge amount of damage through disruptive roles and agumenting them confusing the town. We need to know what we are facing, and who is controlling what to account for that.

Likewise without a role claim people could use their abilities with no fear, allowing mafia to have unchecked power. There is a huge accusation on Kurumi atm. What if Kurumi did not claim at all? and instead sat alone at night killing Koshi? This would be a serious problem and we would have no idea who was doing so much damage to an important role.

On December 03 2013 13:03 OdinOfPergo wrote:
actually per a favor.. could someone link the last draft list page? I forget what page I saw it and I'd rather focus on filters and posting cases then wasting time hunting for it.

On December 03 2013 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:

None of this stops mafia from fakeclaiming. There are too many roles that fuck with people and list position.

On December 03 2013 20:58 supersoft wrote:


however if this is true, it's a great catch.
I need to read this for myself.

On December 03 2013 17:51 gtrsrs wrote:
lead me to really question: "seriously, why do i have such a shit pick?" i picked [7],[11]. based on my understanding of how the pick works, here's what should have happened. 3 of us claimed 7, so we were defaulted to our second picks. my second pick was 11. the only other person with an 11 pick was JonnyLaw. but JonnyLaw's first pick was 14. he couldn't be above me in the pick order with these picks. i would have defaulted to 11 before he did. additionally, no one above him has a 14 pick, so he should have been 14, not even defaulting to his second pick

therefore i can only conclude that (presuming everyone else was telling the truth) JonnyLaw is lying about his number picks. no need to lie about that. he's scum.

on that note, i do not necessarily believe that he picked kha'zix. if he did not pick kha'zix, then the person who did is also scum. 2 down. korea stands no chance

##Vote: JonnyLaw

note: sandroba or justanothertownie outing their pick numbers could save JonnyLaw


also if it might help, i'm extremely knowledgeable about league of legends and i can help answer any questions for non-league players, especially those questions that might pertain to possible second abilities (though at this time, i don't see that as necessary)

On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it.

On December 03 2013 12:31 bumatlarge wrote:
To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role.

On December 04 2013 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Also question for rayn and marv (anybody else may answer aswell but I want those opinions especially): are there any kind of roles that should definitely claim in your opinion?

On December 04 2013 03:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Alright, if I come back at ETA@2 hours from deadline, and I'm set to be lynched, I'll make one post of all my reads.

On December 04 2013 05:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Why do you feel the need to confirm that you are tryndamere, even if it causes collateral damage?

On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:

Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2.

Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason

On December 04 2013 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:

So you didn't trust bum to take it - yet you attack him solely for that reason later. Did you think bum was scum before you picked?
Tell me more about how scum has to think bum will follow through with his plan sandro.

On December 04 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Please explain why you think holding your role is the reason you're going to get lynched day 2? Because, honestly, your entire play this game except for holding your role is the reason you're nearing the chopping block.

And you state:



Bum is set to be lynched at this point. Your main reason for wanting to use your role is gone.

On December 04 2013 05:41 LSB wrote:
What I plan on doing tonight
If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing
If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces.

On December 04 2013 05:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Why did you pick Tryndamere of all those roles to verify its existence in the game LSB? Why did you not choose a role that has at least a tiny bit of townie possibilities to it?

On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix

Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed.

Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own.

On December 04 2013 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Yep, basically every other role in this list could be used in a townie fashion. Why not one of them?

On December 04 2013 06:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:


You realize that if you use your role, you will be on block for a policy lynching, right? Like, you're going to incur the very thing you seem to be afraid of if you don't use it.

On December 04 2013 06:19 Mig wrote:
Rean looks pretty terrible. Comes in 4 minutes after marv calls him out to respond, so seems to be actively reading the thread but posts nothing at all besides yelling at Roffles for being mean.

Rean what do you think about the current lynch candidates? Who do you plan on voting for?

Also where is supersoft. I would have expected him to be around by now and commenting on current events. His only case this game has been against LSB who he called scum but then he proceeded to say he isn't sure if he should be lynched today in the same post? He also said he was going to go do some meta research on him, did you ever do any of that super?

On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote:


I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game.
ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep.

On December 04 2013 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if he thought Bum was scum, why was his first thought one of night-actions rather than making a case to get him lynched Sand? If you can answer me that, then I'll move my vote.

On December 04 2013 06:49 Rean wrote:


I pmd the host account hoping they're gonna do something about it but nothing so far >.>

On December 04 2013 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

But you never ever like, campaigned to get him lynched or even mentioned trying to get him lynched. Your analysis of him literally ended with "So I'm gonna use my power on him tonight". See?


You mentioned lynching him one other time, and it wasn't because you thought he was scum or SK, you mentioned it as a policy vote. Literally.

On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote:
Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.

##Vote: Bumatlarge

On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote:

^Paraphrased.

Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3.

I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible.

On December 04 2013 06:56 sandroba wrote:

Really rean, I think you are reading too much into that Roffles comment. I guess it's ambiguous, but when I read it I thought he meant kill yourself in game, i.e. use abilities to kill yourself and didn't find it that outrageous.

On December 05 2013 07:36 Rean wrote:
Someone just did 225 HP damage to me D: how uncivilized.

On December 05 2013 17:40 Chezinu wrote:

I need someone to talk to cause the Third Party and Mafia are not getting along. It is town's job to pit them against each other. Hear me Outcasts. I know many of you feel abandon or peaceful solitude. Just know, the more scum you kill. The more protection you obtain. That's right. I'm no detective, but I got abilities that far out match many that have claimed before me. I am Analyst and ... well that's a secret.

LSB, What do you have to say?

On December 06 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote:
<b>JCarl</b>
Did you take dmg over night?

I'm wondering if LSB hit Koshi?

On December 05 2013 19:10 Koshi wrote:

I wanted to create an event with a big picture and normally all this should have been done in the thread. But hosts didn't allow that it seems so it is probably a night action. This is what it does.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 06 2013 04:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:


He posted about what it does:





Which...I'm a little confused about. It's like a parity checker/murder thing. But it's only really good for the town if we are certain of alignments, right? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, if we aren't sure if someone is scum, how can we be sure we'd be accurate with this item?

On December 06 2013 04:44 Chezinu wrote:
Actually, I know how it could have gone down. I could have visited you after rayn used his powers on you... then somone else could have done something. Then the 50 kp could have done something.

On December 06 2013 04:39 Koshi wrote:
jcarlsoniv
if you would read the text above the spoiler you would have known hosts changed it.
LSB
Same to you.

On December 06 2013 06:03 LSB wrote:
I honestly don't get / buy most of the analysis done so far. VE I don't like, but I feel like I'm too biased to make a fair judgement.


I don't get this. So you think that Rean is scummy no matter how austin flips. But you still want to lynch austin even though you are not certain he is scum?

On December 06 2013 05:19 Koshi wrote:

The good news is that I think we should not worry too much about rayn, Chezinu and that cuddly Koshi.

What we want to focus on is Austin, VE and OdinOfPergo.

On December 05 2013 23:12 sandroba wrote:
@kush I've looked at your filter and you've called almost every single person in the game town. Do you believe there is scum in this game? Who is looking suspicious?

On December 05 2013 16:28 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayne since i used to be (sometimes still am) a similar type of player, I consider it my specialty to townread antitown town.
I have an excellent record recently:
townreading clarity 2 games ago in that game where you were scum and marv pwned you.
townreading the n1 and n2 lynch last game that marv hosted
townreading bum in this game

and i am telling you rean is town.

On December 05 2013 16:33 kushm4sta wrote:


town and scum are lazy in different ways. Rayne you dont know what it's like to be a lazy mother fucker. The development of reads takes WORK. You have to look at filters and shit. Rean is way too lazy to do that. So he is sticking to this read that he believes in because he happened to come across it by chance just glancing at the thread and it took no work to find.

An aside, rayn, i actually love your cases. Like your big long ones. If you make one of those Iwill read th efuck out of very slowly and closely.

On December 06 2013 06:24 Chezinu wrote:

Oh wow, your getting weird vibes from VE too?

On December 04 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes I think Bum is scum. I thought it was clear that I thought both were scum. I think it's possible that Bum is town, I don't see that as possible where LSB is concerned. That's why my preference was/is LSB. But I can't make that happen tonight.

On December 06 2013 05:16 LSB wrote:
Okay so what happens to koshi and what did koshi do last night? I don't get it

Koshi says he made an item (Verified), and implied that he gave it something.
Chez says that Koshi did not do anything last night

Ryan Claims he protected Koshi in some way for 4 turns, and Koshi can no longer be roleblocked.
Koshi Took 50 Damage

Something is off here.

On December 06 2013 10:53 Mocsta wrote:

Sure:
(1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read.

(2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read.

(3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on

(4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely.

Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town.

You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&currentpage=114#2261

On December 04 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote:
Do you mean Demon's Run D2 or whatever, where I was entirely absent and came in only to vote with made up reasoning based on which wagon I liked?

Probably cuz I was mostly absent today. Don't believe there was a surge in that game though.

You can also check plenty of my town games for relatively absent D1s (Bureaucracy, called out for it in a couple others), and at least one relatively absent D1 into swoosh of activity (Liquid City)

On December 06 2013 11:07 geript wrote:
I understand that Chez tries to encrypt what he means because he makes reads out of the chaos, but it still makes him impossible to read because he does that as either alignment and your conclusions from what he writes are rarely his intentions. I know he's a skilled player as either alignment but the time it takes to try and discern what he means and then discern his alignment is not worth the time of reading his posts.

Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well.

On December 07 2013 01:34 sandroba wrote:
OK some things need to be clarified:

Mig claims to hit MZ with 125dmg and his ability returned 875hp left.
MZ claims he took no dmg. Do you have 875hp left?
Chez says correctly that Mig is Cho. He says that Mig targeted JL. JL, do you have 875hp left?
Mkfuba hints that Mig didn't hit JL, I read that as Mkfuba hit JL himself.

So probably someone is lying here. Please come forth with this information.

Also austin, I can't get past the post I quoted from the beginning. I would like a claim from you. And from MZ too. A lot of people have come forth with their night actions and claims. A lot of good town roles are already out there. I don't understand why some of you are being so secretive.

On December 07 2013 02:30 sandroba wrote:

I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum?

On December 07 2013 02:34 supersoft wrote:


I got used to it while playing time-to-die:

+ Show Spoiler +

I guess that's the new shit around here.

On December 07 2013 02:35 Chezinu wrote:

I know more than that. Did you see my post? I know what ability he used last night. Feral scream.

On December 07 2013 02:40 sandroba wrote:


Prove it. I'm all ears. I've read this game a trillion times already and I can't get anywhere.

On December 07 2013 02:44 supersoft wrote:


according to this day, he will come back at the end of n2...

On December 07 2013 02:57 sandroba wrote:
LSB, the draft order is a lot more usefull than the player list. geript claimed twitch and you missed a hidden claim too.
Mocsta said he went for fiddles. You guys better start reading the game.

On December 07 2013 03:03 supersoft wrote:


LBS, what game was that? I need the gamesize. I think players play differently depending on the game sizes.
I usually play more friendly and less controlling in larger games.

On December 07 2013 03:02 Chezinu wrote:
So, LSB why do you think I'm Twisted Fate?

On December 07 2013 03:17 sandroba wrote:
@LSB what do you think about that austin's post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&currentpage=114#2261
And what do you think about his comeback too. Also I'd like to note that austin can't be VT based on that post. So he has a role and he didn't bother saying what he is or what he did. When there is a huge wagon on you I wonder why you would leave out that kind of information.

On December 07 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read the two-hundred some posts since I left. I still wanna kill lurkers, and I don't care if you don't like it. People think hyperactivity is annoying...get over it. At least they are playing the game. People not paying need to be dealt with.

On December 07 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
nah, it's too complicated and is based on a bunch of assumptions a lot of people would have a problem with =P

On December 08 2013 07:02 Coagulation wrote:
kush is pretty scum imo

On December 08 2013 07:09 jaybrundage wrote:


Kush isn't scum. Why would he say this from a scum perspective. If hes scum the scum team is having a great time. The thread is in chaos. Townies Modkilled everywhere. Scum Paradise.

LSB you disappeared for a while. Is this the only thing you have to say tonight. Please talk to me about your Kush scum read.

Also have you looked at Coag's filter. Hes very likely lurking scum.

On December 08 2013 07:16 Chezinu wrote:

I rather kill scum than Third Party.

On December 08 2013 11:48 Koshi wrote:
Mr. Lion King
Hosts tweak my inventions for balance and I don't know what they do after that.

So I take it that one of the results was "same" and one was "different" and therefore nobody died? So MZ is scum because I am fucking town.

On December 08 2013 12:03 Rean wrote:


Read Marv Jr's description of the item he got, it is quite different and essentially guarantees that someone ends up dead.

On December 08 2013 12:14 LSB wrote:
Unless mkfuba07 counterclaims that he protected himself. I'm going to assume that MZ used a clone. I'll just state what I believe happened last night.

mkfuba07 uses crown on MZ and Koshi. mkfuba07 returned the same alignment as Koshi and a different aligment as MZ. MZ was shot but survived due to his clone ability.

##vote: MZ

On December 08 2013 12:08 ticklishmusic wrote:


Took 849 damage. Healed VE.

On December 08 2013 12:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Didn't he say he isn't able to clone again til tonight? (obviously assuming he did, in fact, close last night.

On December 08 2013 15:49 mkfuba07 wrote:
OK, I apparently suck at explaining things. To be more clear:

Crown of Solomon
May only be used at night, must be used the night I obtained it, is one-shot
Three players are selected:
Player X
Player Y
Player Z
Two parity checks are made, and we are not made aware of the results.
if X and Y are "same", and X and Z are "different", then Z dies
if X and Y are "different", and X and Z are "same", then Y dies
If both parity checks come back with the same result, then X dies

What happened last night: I submitted X: mkfuba, Y:Koshi, Z: MZ

I then received a message saying that the item didn't activate. None of the three died.

Based on this, I don't see how we can draw a conclusion other than "for some reason, the crown didn't go off".

On December 10 2013 06:48 Coagulation wrote:
you guys are gonna shit when i flip town lolol

On December 10 2013 08:00 kushm4sta wrote:
it saves me the trouble of having to read his filter also if he flips scum I will be confirmed town.

On December 10 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
im vt

On December 11 2013 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Except that we did not verify him.

On December 11 2013 00:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I just want some sort of investigative capabilities...

Parity cop on its own is weak in my mind because it takes a minimum of 2 nights to work. The fact that it was used on me last night is incredibly unfortunate.

We have been struggling in a sea of so much unknown for way too long. Having any additional way to actually get accurate alignments would be beyond helpful.

On December 11 2013 00:40 Onegu wrote:



No they are saying he could be mafia who used the faction kp on sandaroba and it got shot back at him.

On December 11 2013 00:51 Mocsta wrote:

Explain:
and it seems like mafia KP works as an overkill,

On December 10 2013 00:56 sandroba wrote:
Ok so that ambulance radio prob doesnt show the overkill that might have happened to chezinu, so that would explain the odd kp number. My guess is that scum prob didn't use anything on me this night.

Further, this is dumb LSB (even for you)
" and I don't think I see that he claimed any current HP to suggest the damage "
If the dmg was reflected, OF COURSE, sandroba would not have been hit for dmg....

On December 11 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:

That's one that needed slight adjustments (read nerfs).

I just asked. Dayvig not happening. Not commenting on it further.

On December 11 2013 01:03 Koshi wrote:

Yes, that works. See item 1.

On December 11 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No sandroba, there really isn't. Only real reads Koshi has had in this game were OdinOfPergo and MZ and when MZ-lynch was talked about Koshi said MZ wasn't even his scumread. If we let alone his role use and stuff regarding that Koshi has been entirely useless all game.

On December 11 2013 02:42 Mig wrote:
LSB who do you think is mafia? You pop in to make comments on random things like inventions quite a bit but I don't really see you commenting on who is scum.

On December 11 2013 06:13 Mig wrote:
Well no point in arguing a lot about it, but I would just ask yourself if you think mafia is going to shoot you tonight. (the answer is probably no). If you are mafia then disregard.

LSB/MZ neither of you have claimed your second powers. What are they?

On December 02 2013 13:20 LSB wrote:
I have a defensive ability too, just it isn't relevant in any way shape or form to what my night actions or optimal town actions are

On December 11 2013 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would mafia!MZ use mirror image on N1? Like did he assume town will hit him with something like 1000 KP?
He DID indeed use it, correct? as someone shot him.

On December 11 2013 09:16 supersoft wrote:


at least he didnt claim it right away and then sticked with the story he didnt took any, which fits his role...
LSB is obviously correct: if he's scum, he could have lied about it all. However i don't see the benefit of lying about such a simple thing, since taking damage doesn't incriminate him. so he had no reason to hide that damage.

On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote:
Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected.

coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey.

Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage.

On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote:
One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.

Correct me if I am wrong.

On December 11 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Don't talk bullshit please. Neither Fuba's power nor the item use went through. Why are you talking bullshit LSB?

On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote:
Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected.

coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey.

Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage.

On December 07 2013 10:12 jaybrundage wrote:
KK lets talk on consolidating on Roffles or austin. If your town you should get off the MZ wagon. Letting there be three wagons lets scum manipulate it much easier. We should narrow this down between 2 people. I'm still on the fence regarding the two.

But MZ should NOT be a lynch candidate today.

On December 05 2013 14:43 jaybrundage wrote:

Im a bit annoyed because you don't seem to be trying. Your case on austin seems nonexistent. Hes a lurker you asked him a question and you called him scum.

My only thinking that you could have any validity to your case on austin is if you have a blue roll that gives you a check. But even then it would have been in the day time and that seems unlikely.

Please try..... Plz?

On December 07 2013 10:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Fuck it lets kill Austin. He should give us way more information. Because he made more reads (even if there town reads) as opposed to roffles who has said jack shit.

We should just take care of Roffles via KP. He is lurking hardcore and he is playing anti town as shit. His death gives us nothing to go off of.

I wouldn't be surprised if austin and Roffles are both on scum team. And they send roffles out to be a distraction to both get heat off austin and if we lynch austin its unlikely we will lynch roffles because the stereotype is that hes just a anti town trolling townie instead of a scum making plays.

##Unvote
##VOTE AUSTINMCC

On December 07 2013 10:54 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea just finished reading MZ's filter I think that hes probably town he sounds sincere in alot of his posts. And austin is scum.


Part of the reason why I think austin is scum is the first part of the game He SOLELY (hyberbole) gives town reads. He gives town read after town read after town read. This is very easy for scum to do. They know who's town so they can go off little things in posts to try to establish rap with other townies. (if he thinks im town he must be town reading me line of thinking)

He then harps on MZ for bothering Koshi. Yes MZ is constantly bugging Koshi.

I think the reason for MZ's tunneling Koshi is a couple reasons.

A. MZ thinks Koshi might be scum.

B. Koshi is inventor so he can make sweet stuff that ideally would be given to townies.

C. Koshi being inventor IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE

D. Koshi is not contributing much to scum hunting

E Koshi being scum in MZ's eyes and is being ignored as a lynch candidate because of his Power Is driving MZcrazy and makes it keep coming back to Koshi to put pressure on him.

That is my idea why MZ kept bothering Koshi even tho hes not a lynch candidate atm.

On December 11 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:
Known DMG

Ticklish: >101 dmg (down 749/850)
VE: > 700 dmg (down 300/1000)
Fuba: > 450dmg (down 400/850)
Rean: ???
Mocsta: 150 dmg
JL: 500 dmg (250 from sandroba; 125 from Mig, 125 from ?Fuba?)
MZ: 150dmg (may have 75 from sandroba)

MZ/Rean/Roffles/LSB: 75dmg (from sandroba)

JAT: KP --> ???

On December 11 2013 13:08 Mocsta wrote:
@LSB
Do you agree your case hinges on MZ being scum?

On December 11 2013 23:56 Koshi wrote:
Feel free to give me ideas for great items. I am without inspiration.

On December 12 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Best and retarded item ever

On December 12 2013 08:47 Risen wrote:

Lynch both? I can't judge so I'll just catch you up since one page back is intimidating to read to. Double lynch today!

lol

On December 07 2013 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once

On December 12 2013 08:52 sandroba wrote:
MZ I must say your 2nd ability claim looks fake as shit. I'm considering lynching MZ the scummer and LSB the sk.

On December 12 2013 09:11 jaybrundage wrote:

Why are you avoiding the issue of replying to my response of your case.

Yea I just vote the easiest people in the thread /sarcasm. That's why I thought SS, VE, and Marv and wanted to lynch them.

Honestly your complete lack of reason has lead me to the conclusion that your scum not that its "easy"

On December 12 2013 11:01 Mig wrote:
LSB what is your second power? Onegu what is your second power? Rayne what did you say your second power did again?

On December 12 2013 13:31 Mig wrote:
MZ I agree that LSB's reason for voting you is pretty bad. The nuke reason is especially BS.

If you are town who do you think the mafia rber is?

On December 12 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote:

This is Wifom Injection at its finest.

How about this reversal.
Coag fired the nuke at Mz/fuba so u could make this argument in his death....

On December 13 2013 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Still at a loss for how to use my lantern effectively now. Any thoughts from the peanut gallery?

On December 13 2013 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Yeah, I considered that.

Hey Koshi, with all this discussion of 2nd abilities being ults - have you claimed your second ability, and what does it do?