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Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed. Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: In every PYP game when top picks have claimed their picks and followed some sort of a plan there has been scum found in top 6. And what are you trying to imply by that? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways. I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment. However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point was to ban the roles so that mafia needs to ban the investigative roles which leaves more room for other good roles to be in the game. Investigations can't be trusted anyways unless townies deny framer/GF/etc. Did you even read the thread yet? Nope, and that's the stupidest peace of logic I heard. Not only would mafia ban out the DT roles in the first place, DT roles are always valueable and are probably the easiest role to verity the alignment. Who was the major proponents so I know who to kill first? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:57 justanothertownie wrote: Wait. Did you just say claiming now is stupid but claiming when the roles are out is necessary? THIS is really stupid. Now it is good to claim because the more people claim the more roles town gets. Scum might get more too but there are less of them. Claiming afterwards does not help in this regard but the points raised against claiming are still valid. Did I misunderstand you? I am very confused by this post. I think we should role claim after we get our roles. I haven't commented about claiming before we get our roles | ||
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On December 02 2013 10:29 StorrZerg wrote: whats your plan lsb? Everyone roleclaim after roles are given | ||
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I can change my position up to 5 players away on the signup list, dealing 50 dmg to each player EDIT: Due to rules | ||
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On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? I'm still reading the thread, but I don't know if this is normal for Mocsta, but this post is a classic example of saying a ton that doesn't make up for anything. To me Mocsta is posting a lot to seem like an active townie, but nothing substantial but "null" or "leans" that really are just filler and don't contribute anything to the discussion. ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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On December 03 2013 03:01 LSB wrote: I'm still reading the thread, but I don't know if this is normal for Mocsta, but this post is a classic example of saying a ton that doesn't make up for anything. To me Mocsta is posting a lot to seem like an active townie, but nothing substantial but "null" or "leans" that really are just filler and don't contribute anything to the discussion. ##Vote: Mocsta ##Unvote; Mocsta Oops I didn't see this was a response. I will revisit this accusation after I finish reading the thread | ||
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On not banning mafia roles: Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role. Sure it makes things harder for the town, but if the mafia dares try to use their role, they are painting an easy target on their back. Honestly I'd be okay with not having one or two flips for a guaranteed mafia kill. It would have been really easy to point out who took what role after a mass role claim. However I wasn't here for the ban phase and that is already over so I'm not going to comment on that On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role. Of course I'm going to pick that role when I (as well as BC) singled it out as a power role. I am surprised that I actually got the role even though I am dead last pick. Speaking of Which On December 02 2013 06:05 bumatlarge wrote: In this list, I'm going to try to take into account what people have said they would do. I don't expect people to follow this, but know that I will pressure people who are high on the list and do not want to disclose what they are picking. 15. bumatlarge - Tryndamere I feel like tryn is too threatening for mafia, and hopefully mafia won't take it, or I'll know. I hopefully won't use it. What's up with this Bum? I would like a roleclaim please (Bumatlarge) as well as what you picked if you were VT. Or you can claim you went Tryndamere and we can both confirm our roles tonight. I don't understand supersoft's argument so I won't respond to it unless someone can explain it to me. Reposting the claim list I admit that I skimmed so I might have missed additional claims. Can someone tell me if there are any discrepancies Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Big Bad Wolf VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] Mig [12][1] - Urgot? JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba Fiora? Kenpachi[8][15] - VT? Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna? justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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Kurumi [4][6] - Big Bad Wolf to Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick | ||
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On December 03 2013 03:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: And I now realize that my thoughts on LSB are conflicting and I'm confused now. <3 | ||
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On December 03 2013 03:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: And what if it isn't a fake claim? What if it is mafia LSB that has tryndamere? LSB - why did you pick tryn when it seemed bum would do so? Because as last place there would be very little chance I would get any role, so I picked a random role from my power list to check it to see if anyone picked it. Also I didn't read that Bum was going to picked it. BC pointed it out in thread so I just reposted what he said in emphasis | ||
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We need you to roleclaim in order to lock down who has what roles so that they are not misused. Ultimately as the game goes on, roles will be revealed by the process of elimination, however we need to lock down what roles do what early so they cannot be misused. I applaud Kurumi for roleclaiming so early due to the importance of his role. However there are many other roles that we need to find out because they are so dangerous. A lot of these roles can wreak a ton of havoc should they be allowed free reign for a few nights, and even possibly wreak havoc on the nights after. I want to remind you all in a mass power role game the mafia has an advantage in that they can easily coordinate their actions as well as keep track of everyone else’s actions. That’s why I feel it is important for someone (ie me) to keep track of all claims as I’m sure the mafia is doing that too, and find out roles to break the mafia advantage in being able to coordinate their actions easily. I am not currently going to the extreme that we will need to dictate your actions at night. Right now it is very important to figure out what we are working with. If you take 300 damage at night, we need to know how it was caused, rather than stare helplessly as we all die. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba Fiora? Kenpachi[8][15] - VT? Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna? justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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Sandroba Could you please roleclaim, or explain why you do not want to roleclaim? Also if you roleclaim townie, can you tell us what role you picked? The question also applies to kushm4sta, JonnyLaw, jcarlsoniv ect ect. Refer to this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=71#1410 for why you should roleclaim. And for a preemptive response to "LSB you are doing nothing but asking for roleclaims, wtf u scum, u do nothing lynch kill him", pinning down the dangerous roles is possible the most important thing we need to do before the first night is over, and I want to get this discussion over with so we have something to work with. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:03 sandroba wrote: @lsb i did roleclaim, but i don't think anyone should be doing this yet. So I can mark you down as Fiora then? Maybe when people actually do something and put forward some actual info role claims can be beneficial/necessary. I don't get this. Can you please explain? | ||
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I will respond to questions about roleclaiming. On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote: what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left. So your plan is to let mafia strike first and then try to pick up the pieces afterwards? That is an incredibly stupid idea. You are essentially accomplishing the same thing that roleclaiming right now, while allowing mafia to get out a few hits undetected. First of all we need to expose people who are fake claiming, we need to make sure that if you are a vanilla town you are who you claim. I feel like it is best to get this done early because as you conceded, we will need to get this done sometime. Lets use your example. Lets say someone picked nocturne, and suddenly he gets roleblocked even though town agrees it's best to use his ability. We know who is the roleblocker and therefore can hold that person accountable. If no one claimed roleblocker we check on the VT claims again and see what they did last night and the nights before. On December 03 2013 05:23 Risen wrote: 1) So they are not misused? They will be misused if scum knows what we're doing and knows where we're aiming things. Revealed by process of elimination? How? Not every role got picked, some people got VT from choosing something other people chose. 2) Why is this good again? This whole statement is so condescending and self-centered. Reads as you don't want everyone's input on role actions, you just want to know where the things are being aimed. 3) Except mafia can also help direct claimed town so... 4) Right now? But you reserve the right to later. Got it. If you are wondering about my concerns please look over previous PYP games. Role claiming was instrumental to victory in the ones I've played PYP2/PYP3. There were many powerful roles that the town locked hard on. For example in PYP2 there was a compulsive vigilante role, even though Mafia got their hands on that role they were unable to use it for their own purposes because the town directed where the hits went. In addition with a mass claim of roles, they were able to easily isolate the few remaining mafia members by piecing together who was lying and who was not. By having everyone roleclaim, this allows any trackers to confirm night actions so people are held accountable to their actions. Should mafia try to run inference against town actions it should be easy to hold the people who are able to do that interference accountable for their actions. | ||
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We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. In addition if you have a role that can increase mafia KP you should be claiming. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - VT? Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: LSB - Could you do some scumhunting instead of just mindlessly yelling everyone to massclaim? Like i know it's the best idea but when people are not willing to do it there is nothing you can do about it. Right now it seems like you are intentionally shouting for an idea that's pro-town but what you can never achieve. What's the point? I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it. If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed. | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:48 sandroba wrote: @LSB MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. I have read the rules, in fact I think you should go over the rules and abilities too as well as think for a bit before critiquing a plan. What mass claims seeks to accomplish is twofold. 1) Firstly to confirm claims and locations of dangerous roles. For example my role can potentially be dangerous if I abuse it too much. A massclaim allows me to verify that I hold onto the role. We can verify this threefold. First of all we can look at the position on the list, that is a piece of public information. Second of all we can compare how much damage people took. For example if I lied about my damage and instead say I did 800 damage each, people would easily be able to tell. Tonight when I verify my role people will be able to verify how much damage I do also. Thirdly there are tracker roles so we can verify claims that way 2) To check the abilities of said dangerous roles and make sure they are not abused. The classic example is my role. If I use it only to verify the fact that I have the role, it is only a few instance of 50 damage. However if I did not claim and just spent my time running around laughing like an idiot, I could easily do 250 damage a night. We are significantly checking mafia KP. Why we cannot accomplish these two objectives without a mass claim. This is because there are roles that augment anothers power. My role is very meaningless by itself. But if you add on abilities that allow me to do more damage than usual, suddenly my damage is multiplied by a ton. Without a mass role claim mafia can easily hide a huge amount of damage through disruptive roles and agumenting them confusing the town. We need to know what we are facing, and who is controlling what to account for that. Likewise without a role claim people could use their abilities with no fear, allowing mafia to have unchecked power. There is a huge accusation on Kurumi atm. What if Kurumi did not claim at all? and instead sat alone at night killing Koshi? This would be a serious problem and we would have no idea who was doing so much damage to an important role. | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH POLICY LYNCH ME ^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible. | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:58 Coagulation wrote: sup Happy Birthday! | ||
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There are still highly dangerous roles in the game that we need to confirm if they exist or not before the first night. As many people have emphasize, if you have claimed Vanilla town or even flipped vanilla town, it is in the towns interest for you to claimed what you tried to pick. There is no reason why you should not sit on a vanilla town role and not say anything. If you are vanilla town it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you can deal damage it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you are DT/Medic/Tracker it is highly suggested, but I will forgive you if you don't, to reveal what role you take We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] - Karma StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - Blue Claim Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Soft Blue Claim BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all the bolded parts seems like a contradiction. He wants to look into people who have actual content (bigger filters) but all he talks about before and after are lurkers with short filters (besides MZ). Also it feels like he is pretty caught up and knows how much people have posted, yet he focuses on lurkers and then says he does not want to focus on lurkers but on other people. Honestly the JohnnyLaw bandwagon seems a little too random, I see where you are coming from though. Speaking of JohnnyLaw, could you please roleclaim? | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:44 bumatlarge wrote: I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy. Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. There's already been 5 people who have softclaimed or claimed straight blue, no including the people who have already claimed a priority blue people. I don't think that is that big of a concern. Are you just trying to set up for a delayed Vanilla town claim? | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason | ||
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On December 02 2013 19:06 Koshi wrote: I can use all the powers. Also it's super awesome. Like almost better than the invention stuff. Do you know cool inventions? I already got 4 items send to the hosts though. Aegis Dagon BKB Ghost Scepter Some are pretty weak though. On December 02 2013 09:42 Koshi wrote: Aegis Dagon lvl 5 first. I will break this LoL game with DotA items. Yo, what are the restrictions on your role? Can you make cooler stuff like "LSB's bus driver, where everything that goes to you is instead reflected to someone else" or "DT magnifying glass, which makes anyone a DT?" or "Thermonuclear Bomb" which kills X amount of people at a time, where X-1 is the largest amount you can get the hosts to agree on?. Oh I know! Make an Euls Sceptor! A roleblock + Invul that only works on yourself and people not on your team (IE Mafia if you are town, and town if you are mafia), give yourself one and use it to make you invul, and they start handing em out so we can all be detectives. I agree with people saying you should try to do more with your role than being a guy who can't be nightkilled. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't? Ya, just read through my posts. It's a very scummy play to deviate from a plan that you tried to push, especially if you know not everyone is going to follow through it. I think you all should lynch him today too. On December 03 2013 12:11 JonnyLaw wrote: Bum I get your point that improved played doesn't mean not scum. I'm just not feeling the scumminess. I read through your original post again and yes you do make some good points. Do they scream scum? That's a stretch. LSB's incessant spamming of the claim now plus the list concerns me more. Moving up the slightly to prove you're tryndamere might be helpful but dealing damage to everyone along the way? I don't buy it man. If you think Bum's scum try and get him lynched instead of damaging half the town on your way up. I got a great compromise for you. Lynch Bum and then I won't move through so many people. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: yes... but you have 1 issue with him... and per that issue regardless of his other post you're ready to kp him for it. This seems really odd to me. What part of he is not town is not sufficient for proof? Bum is plenty experienced to know the folly of betraying your own plan as town, as well as the potential benefits of doing so as mafia/sk. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. It is evident that we have significantly different opinions on playing the game. I have no idea why you would think I would not be all for verifying people's roles when I have made it a significant part of my Roleclaim crusade. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. I don't you have read my filter at all | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:31 bumatlarge wrote: To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role. If jcarl claims, I'll claim. Why are you tying down your claim to Jcarl? He has softclaimed a blue role that cannot deal damage. You've already said that If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim. and he is high on my list of "most likely to have a role that fits one of those categories." | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB For the love of all that is town Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? | ||
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Yeah I had to dig deep for examples but I don't like this explanation http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&user=Kushm4sta is a filter from a previous mafia game. Of course I haven't played with him at all, but I just wanted to check that out | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote: so how does this help town? Lets say everyone but vet/dt/medic's claim and there is suddenly huge kp somewhere and stuff. How do you know scum didnt fakeclaim something, YOU DONT KNOW JACK SHIT. And all it does is that it outs our blues so easy shots for scum. On December 03 2013 09:05 LSB wrote: I have read the rules, in fact I think you should go over the rules and abilities too as well as think for a bit before critiquing a plan. What mass claims seeks to accomplish is twofold. 1) Firstly to confirm claims and locations of dangerous roles. For example my role can potentially be dangerous if I abuse it too much. A massclaim allows me to verify that I hold onto the role. We can verify this threefold. First of all we can look at the position on the list, that is a piece of public information. Second of all we can compare how much damage people took. For example if I lied about my damage and instead say I did 800 damage each, people would easily be able to tell. Tonight when I verify my role people will be able to verify how much damage I do also. Thirdly there are tracker roles so we can verify claims that way 2) To check the abilities of said dangerous roles and make sure they are not abused. The classic example is my role. If I use it only to verify the fact that I have the role, it is only a few instance of 50 damage. However if I did not claim and just spent my time running around laughing like an idiot, I could easily do 250 damage a night. We are significantly checking mafia KP. Why we cannot accomplish these two objectives without a mass claim. This is because there are roles that augment anothers power. My role is very meaningless by itself. But if you add on abilities that allow me to do more damage than usual, suddenly my damage is multiplied by a ton. Without a mass role claim mafia can easily hide a huge amount of damage through disruptive roles and agumenting them confusing the town. We need to know what we are facing, and who is controlling what to account for that. Likewise without a role claim people could use their abilities with no fear, allowing mafia to have unchecked power. There is a huge accusation on Kurumi atm. What if Kurumi did not claim at all? and instead sat alone at night killing Koshi? This would be a serious problem and we would have no idea who was doing so much damage to an important role. | ||
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On December 03 2013 13:03 OdinOfPergo wrote: actually per a favor.. could someone link the last draft list page? I forget what page I saw it and I'd rather focus on filters and posting cases then wasting time hunting for it. Dunno if you are talking about this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=85#1700 or this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=31#606 | ||
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On December 03 2013 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote: None of this stops mafia from fakeclaiming. There are too many roles that fuck with people and list position. I agree if not every townie with an ability to mess with position reveals their actions we would not be able to replicate what happens. This is why we need a mass roleclaim, this way we can verify any mafia fakeclaims as see what exactly happens at night. In addition without a mass claim trackers would be an almost useless role because what they see could be very well meaningless. Fakeclaims can be exposed, yes it takes some work, but finding contradictory actions are an easy way to pin down a mafia. | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:58 supersoft wrote: however if this is true, it's a great catch. I need to read this for myself. It's not true, here are links http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529 - SK http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431 - Traitor On December 03 2013 17:51 gtrsrs wrote: lead me to really question: "seriously, why do i have such a shit pick?" i picked [7],[11]. based on my understanding of how the pick works, here's what should have happened. 3 of us claimed 7, so we were defaulted to our second picks. my second pick was 11. the only other person with an 11 pick was JonnyLaw. but JonnyLaw's first pick was 14. he couldn't be above me in the pick order with these picks. i would have defaulted to 11 before he did. additionally, no one above him has a 14 pick, so he should have been 14, not even defaulting to his second pick therefore i can only conclude that (presuming everyone else was telling the truth) JonnyLaw is lying about his number picks. no need to lie about that. he's scum. on that note, i do not necessarily believe that he picked kha'zix. if he did not pick kha'zix, then the person who did is also scum. 2 down. korea stands no chance ##Vote: JonnyLaw note: sandroba or justanothertownie outing their pick numbers could save JonnyLaw also if it might help, i'm extremely knowledgeable about league of legends and i can help answer any questions for non-league players, especially those questions that might pertain to possible second abilities (though at this time, i don't see that as necessary) The number picks are correct, the second pick is a tiebreaker between people who have the same first pick (IE the three people with 7) | ||
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1) Policy lynch, violation of own plan. This is important because town is less organized than anti town roles, and in order to make sure plans go through we need to follow our own plans. There is a tremendous advantage to anti-town roles who put forth a plan and then violate it to give themselves a huge advantage. If you don't buy it from a policy lynch standpoint, I want you to look at his tone after being confronted with the fact that he didn't pick his role On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it. In essence he puts very little value in what he was trying to lead the town into doing. This should be a MAJOR warning flag. He was intentionally misleading the town in one of the most crucial phases of the game. In addition he admits that if I were not to claim, he would just keep on misleading the town. On December 03 2013 12:31 bumatlarge wrote: To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role. 2. Tunneling of Jcarl. Post for reference http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=58#1155 The first reason why I considered this a tunneling is due to the fact that it is just one giant filter read and a response to every single post he has written. This is usually a very bad idea because it is a stretch to assume that every single (non spam) post by a player should have some sort of scum tell. This is indicative of either one of two things A) You are focusing too hard and are begining to fabricate any sort of connections. B) You are fabricating connections in the first place because you are mafia. In addition, the case that bum provides is not grounded in any serious substantial tells. Compare this to his performance as town in sleeper cell mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=bumatlarge. Although misguided, his reasoning is grounded in a general theme around radified. Rather than a laundry list of behavioral traits and summing them up as "This person cannot be town". 3. Wishy washy about me. Although it'd be fair to say that I am not the best judge of this. But Bum has been acting pretty confused about what to do with me. I can't figure out if he wants to lynch me or not. It seems like he is afraid of when I flip green if I do get lynched and wants to make sure he doesn't suffer any backlash. SIDE NOTE: Should we lynch bum I won't use my role and just sit still. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:39 justanothertownie wrote: Also question for rayn and marv (anybody else may answer aswell but I want those opinions especially): are there any kind of roles that should definitely claim in your opinion? I'm not really setup-man so I don't have any particular opinion other than what I've already stated - claimed VTs should claim what they tried to choose originally. There are probably ones that I missed but this includes Rean Mocsta OdinofPergo I'm sure various claiming will be useful at some point but I don't think that point is now.[/QUOTE] OOP claimed Karma I think. We are also waiting on if Geript will confirm himself as a VT or if he changed what he was going to pick. BC promised to claim before the night is over, however he did get replaced. | ||
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If you are vanilla town it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you can deal damage it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you are DT/Medic/Tracker it is highly suggested, but I will forgive you if you don't, to reveal what role you take We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] - Karma StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - Blue Claim Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Soft Blue Claim Onegu [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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On December 04 2013 03:52 bumatlarge wrote: Alright, if I come back at ETA@2 hours from deadline, and I'm set to be lynched, I'll make one post of all my reads. And why not just do that now? | ||
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What I plan on doing with Tyr- There will be three actions I will restrict myself to this game 1) Verify my role claim, a one time action in which I will attempt to verify that I have this role. I will announce my use of this action well before the night post 2) Move one space to damage someone I believe is mafia. I will not be using this ability night 1 atm, I will announce my usel of this action well before the night post. 3) Do nothing. What I plan on doing tonight If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces. | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why do you feel the need to confirm that you are tryndamere, even if it causes collateral damage? On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote: Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:50 justanothertownie wrote: So you didn't trust bum to take it - yet you attack him solely for that reason later. Did you think bum was scum before you picked? Tell me more about how scum has to think bum will follow through with his plan sandro. I didn't know Bum was going to pick it before BC pointed it out. | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: Please explain why you think holding your role is the reason you're going to get lynched day 2? Because, honestly, your entire play this game except for holding your role is the reason you're nearing the chopping block. And you state: Bum is set to be lynched at this point. Your main reason for wanting to use your role is gone. On December 04 2013 05:41 LSB wrote: What I plan on doing tonight If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces. | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:54 justanothertownie wrote: Why did you pick Tryndamere of all those roles to verify its existence in the game LSB? Why did you not choose a role that has at least a tiny bit of townie possibilities to it? On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote: Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed. Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own. | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:59 justanothertownie wrote: Yep, basically every other role in this list could be used in a townie fashion. Why not one of them? I don't think you understand what I posted. I am more interested in finding out the existence (and if they do the location) of the power roles and denial of their abilities to maifa. As last pick I understand the chances of me getting a role is very little, so it is far more important for me to use my pick as a way to verify the existence of a role rather than attempting to actually get a role. As last pick my optimal play is to pick a random role and that fell on tyr. | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: You realize that if you use your role, you will be on block for a policy lynching, right? Like, you're going to incur the very thing you seem to be afraid of if you don't use it. I don't understand what you are trying to imply. Are you just simply trying to discourage me from using my role should Bum not get lynched? Or are you trying to make a blanket statement saying I should never use my role? Or are you criticizing my choice of night action? | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:19 Mig wrote: Rean looks pretty terrible. Comes in 4 minutes after marv calls him out to respond, so seems to be actively reading the thread but posts nothing at all besides yelling at Roffles for being mean. Rean what do you think about the current lynch candidates? Who do you plan on voting for? Also where is supersoft. I would have expected him to be around by now and commenting on current events. His only case this game has been against LSB who he called scum but then he proceeded to say he isn't sure if he should be lynched today in the same post? He also said he was going to go do some meta research on him, did you ever do any of that super? I really don't like using timing for scumtells, though I do agree Rean has been very inactive | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote: I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game. ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep. +1 for not telling others to kill themselves over a game, it was a few steps to far. Should be addressed out of thread anyways, and possibly maybe filing a complaint to the moderators. However, lurking is probably the most anti-townie thing you can do and hopefully you can remedy that. | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like if he thought Bum was scum, why was his first thought one of night-actions rather than making a case to get him lynched Sand? If you can answer me that, then I'll move my vote. I voted and began my case against Bum before threatening to kill him with my night-actions should he not be lynched... | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:49 Rean wrote: I pmd the host account hoping they're gonna do something about it but nothing so far >.> I'll PM GM About it. | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: But you never ever like, campaigned to get him lynched or even mentioned trying to get him lynched. Your analysis of him literally ended with "So I'm gonna use my power on him tonight". See? You mentioned lynching him one other time, and it wasn't because you thought he was scum or SK, you mentioned it as a policy vote. Literally. I'm just going to quote the two posts I made before that post On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote: Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible. ##Vote: Bumatlarge On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote: ^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible. I bolded the important part. | ||
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On December 04 2013 06:56 sandroba wrote: Really rean, I think you are reading too much into that Roffles comment. I guess it's ambiguous, but when I read it I thought he meant kill yourself in game, i.e. use abilities to kill yourself and didn't find it that outrageous. Let's just leave this issue for now please. This is now up for Roffles/The Host/The Mods to resolve and not us. | ||
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Kurumi is requested a self modkill, people have been telling each other to die, and there has been enough flame to warrant outside observers stepping in. I didn't get enough sleep last night so I'm just going to post some setup reference posts before the night post happens and deal with scumhunting tomorrow after I get some sleep | ||
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On December 05 2013 07:36 Rean wrote: Someone just did 225 HP damage to me D: how uncivilized. All I can see that did that is Annie | ||
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Consolidated Night 1 Action Post Roles in the Game - Annie Role Eliminated - Warwick, Kha’Zix Night Positional Shift Either Mocsta moved up one space, or Mig Moved down 1 space Night 1 Positions
Claimed Night actions Rean -> 50 Damage to Austinmcc Mig -> 125 Damage to Meepak, Bused to JonnyLaw Random responses On December 05 2013 17:40 Chezinu wrote: I need someone to talk to cause the Third Party and Mafia are not getting along. It is town's job to pit them against each other. Hear me Outcasts. I know many of you feel abandon or peaceful solitude. Just know, the more scum you kill. The more protection you obtain. That's right. I'm no detective, but I got abilities that far out match many that have claimed before me. I am Analyst and ... well that's a secret. LSB, What do you have to say? Are you Kassadin? Then again I don't think Kassadin can be as powerful as you claim. I think you are just playing standard chez On December 06 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote: <b>JCarl</b> Did you take dmg over night? I'm wondering if LSB hit Koshi? No, and I would have moved if I used my ability | ||
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On December 05 2013 19:10 Koshi wrote: I wanted to create an event with a big picture and normally all this should have been done in the thread. But hosts didn't allow that it seems so it is probably a night action. This is what it does. + Show Spoiler + Please type in the thread: ##Baby: Player X ##Mother: Player Y ##Mother: Player Z There will be a parity cop check done. In case X & Y have the same alignment and X & Z have a different alignment. Player Z will die. In case X & Y have a different alignment and X & Z have a different alignment. Player Y will die. In case the result of the parity copcheck X & Z and X & Y are the same (either both same or different) nothing will happen. Do you have an exact idea of what your item does? | ||
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On December 06 2013 04:19 jcarlsoniv wrote: He posted about what it does: Which...I'm a little confused about. It's like a parity checker/murder thing. But it's only really good for the town if we are certain of alignments, right? Unless I'm misunderstanding something, if we aren't sure if someone is scum, how can we be sure we'd be accurate with this item? I am interested in if it has to be a "post in thread" thing or a "PM the host thing". It is an utterly broken item so I would like Koshi to clear this up | ||
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On December 06 2013 04:44 Chezinu wrote: Actually, I know how it could have gone down. I could have visited you after rayn used his powers on you... then somone else could have done something. Then the 50 kp could have done something. checks happen last as per op | ||
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On December 06 2013 04:39 Koshi wrote: jcarlsoniv if you would read the text above the spoiler you would have known hosts changed it. LSB Same to you. Hence my question if you know exactly what it does I just want to comment we should take extreme care about Koshi, the item he has made is extremely powerful for a few reasons. Let's consider the original item The Person holding the crown can only kill someone of the opposite alignment. This is essentially an overpowered version of Vigilante that gets two tries a night. (Unless he happens to check two mafia). This seems wayy to overpowered, but it does have two drawbacks. 1) In the hands of mafia it can increase their Kill Power 2) In the hands of town it has to be public and thus probably a 1 time use before the item is taken / the person is killed. What does the host change do to the item: it removes the second drawback and instead makes it a night action. This makes the item even more powerful in the hands of mafia as they will be allowed to use the item with little restrictions, in addition it makes the item repeatable in the hands of town. This makes the item all around more far more powerful and I really hope Koshi is town | ||
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Koshi says he made an item (Verified), and implied that he gave it something. Chez says that Koshi did not do anything last night Ryan Claims he protected Koshi in some way for 4 turns, and Koshi can no longer be roleblocked. Koshi Took 50 Damage Something is off here. | ||
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[quote=koshi]ATM I would love to lynch Austin over Rean. If Austin is scum I find Rean scummy because in his doing nothing he picks out the 1 guy that puts pressure on him and is also scum. But if Austin is town Rean is still scummy for being wrong and doing nothing obviously. But if Austin comes over here and proves he is planning on being useful and can build out his cases on Rean/MZ or finds new shit that proves Austin is town. I would have 0 problems with lynching Rean for being useless if we don't have better targets. If Rean flips scum I think Austin is probably town because the whole making a mistake on purpose sounds a bit farfetched.[/quote] I don't get this. So you think that Rean is scummy no matter how austin flips. But you still want to lynch austin even though you are not certain he is scum? | ||
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On December 06 2013 06:03 LSB wrote: I honestly don't get / buy most of the analysis done so far. VE I don't like, but I feel like I'm too biased to make a fair judgement. I don't get this. So you think that Rean is scummy no matter how austin flips. But you still want to lynch austin even though you are not certain he is scum? | ||
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On December 06 2013 05:19 Koshi wrote: The good news is that I think we should not worry too much about rayn, Chezinu and that cuddly Koshi. What we want to focus on is Austin, VE and OdinOfPergo. Honestly I am giving a lot of weight to Chez accusation of you, and I really would like him to clear it up what it means. But knowing him I don't think he is going to | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:12 sandroba wrote: @kush I've looked at your filter and you've called almost every single person in the game town. Do you believe there is scum in this game? Who is looking suspicious? Yeah I'm going to agree with this. This stands out incredibly suspicious to me. He seems a little to friendly and quick to make allies. I am comparing his play in this game to the game here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&user=kushm4sta¤tpage=11 (I randomly chose only one game to read). I'm seeing a lot less aggression from Kush and it makes me wonder if he is just lying low. I mean really, he has seem to nominated himself to be the friendly guy who defends everyone being accused. On December 05 2013 16:28 kushm4sta wrote: @rayne since i used to be (sometimes still am) a similar type of player, I consider it my specialty to townread antitown town. I have an excellent record recently: townreading clarity 2 games ago in that game where you were scum and marv pwned you. townreading the n1 and n2 lynch last game that marv hosted townreading bum in this game and i am telling you rean is town. I get that a ton of the lynches in mafia are just a combination of "he sucks at mafia so he must be scum" + tunneling, however Kush is just playing way to nice. For example check out his tone right here. On December 05 2013 16:33 kushm4sta wrote: town and scum are lazy in different ways. Rayne you dont know what it's like to be a lazy mother fucker. The development of reads takes WORK. You have to look at filters and shit. Rean is way too lazy to do that. So he is sticking to this read that he believes in because he happened to come across it by chance just glancing at the thread and it took no work to find. An aside, rayn, i actually love your cases. Like your big long ones. If you make one of those Iwill read th efuck out of very slowly and closely. He is defending rean by basically saying Rayn is misguided. But the tone he is using is backing off from the actual accusation and spends his time complimenting Rayrr. This sycophantic rant seems more like an act and an attempt to curry favorable reads from people in the game. I don't remember playing with kushm4sta, and I don't think I ever have. So if someone could tell me if my meta read is off that would be nice. However this is suspicious enough that I'm going to vote for him ##Vote: kushm4sta | ||
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On December 06 2013 06:24 Chezinu wrote: Oh wow, your getting weird vibes from VE too? I just don't get why he would suddenly decide to not go after me instead of Bum. This post is incredibly suspicious to me On December 04 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes I think Bum is scum. I thought it was clear that I thought both were scum. I think it's possible that Bum is town, I don't see that as possible where LSB is concerned. That's why my preference was/is LSB. But I can't make that happen tonight. | ||
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On December 06 2013 05:16 LSB wrote: Okay so what happens to koshi and what did koshi do last night? I don't get it Koshi says he made an item (Verified), and implied that he gave it something. Chez says that Koshi did not do anything last night Ryan Claims he protected Koshi in some way for 4 turns, and Koshi can no longer be roleblocked. Koshi Took 50 Damage Something is off here. Okay, I get it now Step 1: Koshi was targeted by some kind of KP ability and took 50 damage, Ryan protects Koshi by nullifying the next two abilities targeted too him Step 2: Chez checks koshi but gets blocked because of Ryan's shield. | ||
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Will an actioncheck be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn? Will an item gift be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn? | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:53 Mocsta wrote: Sure: (1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read. (2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read. (3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on (4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely. Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town. You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261 I really don't like the Austin push because I think you guys are reading him wrong. I think we all need to take a step back from that To me, Austin did not push or encourage any lynch. All he has done was post his opinions on a wide range of important people in day 1. He gave reads of many people (Bum included) and I don't think (2) should apply. Thinking a townie is town can be done by anyone, not just scum. (1) is odd, but it's more indicative of a careless mistake. All the arguments on (4) are ridiculously bad However that leaves (3) which is the major issue. His strongest 'push' was against MZ yet he does not give a firm stance on the alignment of MZ. Yet this isn't to say that Austin is unwilling to take a stance, he was at least firm about ream no matter how misguided his analysis may have been. When posting about multiple people, it should be expected that at least a few of the people you should not have a certain opinion of. His major warning warning post for me is On December 04 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote: Do you mean Demon's Run D2 or whatever, where I was entirely absent and came in only to vote with made up reasoning based on which wagon I liked? Probably cuz I was mostly absent today. Don't believe there was a surge in that game though. You can also check plenty of my town games for relatively absent D1s (Bureaucracy, called out for it in a couple others), and at least one relatively absent D1 into swoosh of activity (Liquid City) Where he essentially forshadows he will lurk a ton in this game. Although it may be an accurate description of what may to come, it conveniently explains away any "oh shit the heat is on me" lurking. However, my major reservation on lynching Austinmcc is that as stated before, most of the analysis on him is based on the fact that he posts bad, or makes bad decisions. I don't think this is indicative of being scum. Although certainly he isn't getting townie points in my book, it is a much better idea to lynch on something more solid. Your hourly reminder that we should lynch kushm4sta http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574 | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:07 geript wrote: I understand that Chez tries to encrypt what he means because he makes reads out of the chaos, but it still makes him impossible to read because he does that as either alignment and your conclusions from what he writes are rarely his intentions. I know he's a skilled player as either alignment but the time it takes to try and discern what he means and then discern his alignment is not worth the time of reading his posts. Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well. I think I understand Chezs play to a certain degree now and this is something we can discuss the merits of after this game is over. | ||
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@Roffles, this is just straight up ridiculous, do you actually intend to play this game? On December 07 2013 01:34 sandroba wrote: OK some things need to be clarified: Mig claims to hit MZ with 125dmg and his ability returned 875hp left. MZ claims he took no dmg. Do you have 875hp left? Chez says correctly that Mig is Cho. He says that Mig targeted JL. JL, do you have 875hp left? Mkfuba hints that Mig didn't hit JL, I read that as Mkfuba hit JL himself. So probably someone is lying here. Please come forth with this information. Also austin, I can't get past the post I quoted from the beginning. I would like a claim from you. And from MZ too. A lot of people have come forth with their night actions and claims. A lot of good town roles are already out there. I don't understand why some of you are being so secretive. I would also like this cleared up. Meepak or JohnnyLaw, do you have 875 hp? | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:30 sandroba wrote: I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum? Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:34 supersoft wrote: I got used to it while playing time-to-die: + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 00:04 supersoft wrote: rayn has 17 filterpages. i have 7 and I am talking a lot. On November 19 2013 05:10 supersoft wrote: I am going to report you. You asked me this TWICE now. TWICE! in only a few minutes. I haven't read any filters yet. I have a life and I don't spend 24 hours in this thread posting oneliners. Your filter is unreadable. Your filter has the length of an average newbiegame. I read my filters yesterday evening for about 2 hours of my valuable time. I came up with mocsta as my final lynchtarget and in the night i read through filters and found Oatsmaster, who i am highly suspicious of. I am creating more useful stuff than anyone else here. I am organising the game. Look what I did at the end of d1. Everyone was analysing and we had a PERFECT town atmosphere. Now look what you did to the thread! It's a MESS! Think about that! please! I am going to read through BH and others. But not when you expect me to. On November 20 2013 03:36 supersoft wrote: every second post is from rayn. On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote: This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame. WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. On November 20 2013 06:24 supersoft wrote: who do you think reads all this? Man I am not a native speaker. Do you know how insane this is for me? On November 20 2013 06:26 supersoft wrote: 15% of the thread is you. You are 15% of the thread. And you provoke these endless dialogues with other people. I think 40% of the game is now you talking to someone else. This is just madness. It doesn't help at all. If I were scum, I'd just talk to you for 10 pages from every now and then. It is that easy. On November 20 2013 06:30 supersoft wrote: we have to kill rayn. He won't shut up otherwise. He's delivering everyone the excuse to not read the game. And I can't blame anyone for it. I guess that's the new shit around here. Honestly that's why I like to play games or host games that are centered around Night Actions and KP has serious significance. However with the new mafia game quene it takes forever before I can host a game. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:35 Chezinu wrote: I know more than that. Did you see my post? I know what ability he used last night. Feral scream. Do you know his exact target? From what I can tell you haven't claimed that you do | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:40 sandroba wrote: Prove it. I'm all ears. I've read this game a trillion times already and I can't get anywhere. All he has been doing is calling people town. He isn't trying to actually find scum, he is trying to make friends so people believe he is a friendly townie. No one wants to lynch someone who defended you right? Or so he thinks My push post is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574 | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:44 supersoft wrote: according to this day, he will come back at the end of n2... I seriously don't like using activity as a means of suspicion. He can actually be telling the truth and might be sick/busy. And yes, I did actually reverse image search the image he posted and it does look legit. If you want to lynch lurkers I'd just say lynch Roffles | ||
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#unicornwaffles Abbreviated Night 1 Action Post Roles in the Game - Annie Role Eliminated - Warwick, Kha’Zix Night Positional Shift Either Mocsta moved up one space, or Mig Moved down 1 space Night 1 Positions
Disputed Night actions jcarlsoniv Claims he gave a lantern to Rayn, Chezinu claims he saw nothing. | ||
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On December 07 2013 02:57 sandroba wrote: LSB, the draft order is a lot more usefull than the player list. geript claimed twitch and you missed a hidden claim too. Mocsta said he went for fiddles. You guys better start reading the game. Draft orders can be easily found by clicking on the Pick Phase, while list positions are not preserved so that's why I chose to display it like this. Thanks for the update | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:03 supersoft wrote: LBS, what game was that? I need the gamesize. I think players play differently depending on the game sizes. I usually play more friendly and less controlling in larger games. It's LSB btw eLeSBee As per push post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574 It was this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&user=kushm4sta¤tpage=11. Indeed it was a mini game (15) people. I haven't dug too deep in the other games he played, but here is one where he is town in a large game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=kushm4sta. His play is significantly different but that probably is attributed to the fact that he wants to improve and the game was from a while ago. | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:02 Chezinu wrote: So, LSB why do you think I'm Twisted Fate? I can read spoilers? And also the ultimate fits your night action well | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:17 sandroba wrote: @LSB what do you think about that austin's post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261 And what do you think about his comeback too. Also I'd like to note that austin can't be VT based on that post. So he has a role and he didn't bother saying what he is or what he did. When there is a huge wagon on you I wonder why you would leave out that kind of information. As for what I think of the post as a whole I think that Austin just has periods of activity and is just commenting on everything that he thinks is important when he gets the chance. I give it a lurker read. As I have stated before I an uncertain about the alignment of Austin, and would rather lynch someone I am far more certain of. Thus I am trying to convince you all to lynch kushm4ster. Unlike others in this game, I push my lynches. However if he does show up claiming VT, I agree, something is very suspicious. However even if you have a role, even under the pressure of a lynch, not claiming his role only implies that he did nothing of importance to the town last night. | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Read the two-hundred some posts since I left. I still wanna kill lurkers, and I don't care if you don't like it. People think hyperactivity is annoying...get over it. At least they are playing the game. People not paying need to be dealt with. Here's how I see it atm with the deadline approaching Bandwagon Lynch - Austin Lurker Lynch - Roffles Lynch I am pushing because I think he is scum- Kushm4ster | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote: nah, it's too complicated and is based on a bunch of assumptions a lot of people would have a problem with =P The main problem with your idea / draft order reads is that it is too coordinated. Unless you can finger candidates for the mafia mastermind who is organizing the mafia, I have no reason to believe the mafia didn't just pick roles they wanted and made sure they didn't clash. | ||
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##unvote ##VOTE: Roffles I prefer the lurker lynch over someone who I am not confident that I am scum (austin) and information lynches (MZ). | ||
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We really need to turn around the attitude in the game or else we will have no chance. | ||
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On December 08 2013 07:02 Coagulation wrote: kush is pretty scum imo Yesss finally someone agrees with me. | ||
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On December 08 2013 07:09 jaybrundage wrote: Kush isn't scum. Why would he say this from a scum perspective. If hes scum the scum team is having a great time. The thread is in chaos. Townies Modkilled everywhere. Scum Paradise. LSB you disappeared for a while. Is this the only thing you have to say tonight. Please talk to me about your Kush scum read. Also have you looked at Coag's filter. Hes very likely lurking scum. Push post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574 And anyone can say anything / lie. All his post is doing is perpetuating the attitude of the town right now, which is about as scummy as you can get. | ||
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There is a chance that Koshi's alignment can be easily inferred by what happens tonight. So I'm gonna wait for the day post before commenting on him. | ||
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On December 08 2013 11:48 Koshi wrote: Mr. Lion King Hosts tweak my inventions for balance and I don't know what they do after that. So I take it that one of the results was "same" and one was "different" and therefore nobody died? So MZ is scum because I am fucking town. As per how you explained how the crown works, you and MZ should be the same alignment... The crown will only kill someone if you two are not the same alignment. Unless mkfuba07 comes back explaining that he chose different targets, or we get confirmation that the crown works differently than how you explained it, I'm just going to accept the fact that you two are of the same alignment. Considering I only see one person dead in the daypost (and it doesn't appear to me that you are in PM communication with mkfuba07) I am going to take this as a soft green confirmation on Koshi, mkfuba07 as well as MZ | ||
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On December 08 2013 12:03 Rean wrote: Read Marv Jr's description of the item he got, it is quite different and essentially guarantees that someone ends up dead. Okay I see. I guess we need to wait for mkfuba07 or MZ to explain why he isn't dead. | ||
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mkfuba07 uses crown on MZ and Koshi. mkfuba07 returned the same alignment as Koshi and a different aligment as MZ. MZ was shot but survived due to his clone ability. ##vote: MZ | ||
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On December 08 2013 12:14 LSB wrote: Unless mkfuba07 counterclaims that he protected himself. I'm going to assume that MZ used a clone. I'll just state what I believe happened last night. mkfuba07 uses crown on MZ and Koshi. mkfuba07 returned the same alignment as Koshi and a different aligment as MZ. MZ was shot but survived due to his clone ability. ##vote: MZ Exception: There could have been a chance that one of the targets was bused. For example busing mkfuba07 and ticklishmusic would result in a scenario where all three could be townies, yet ticklishmusic was the one hit. On December 08 2013 12:08 ticklishmusic wrote: Took 849 damage. Healed VE. | ||
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On December 08 2013 12:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Didn't he say he isn't able to clone again til tonight? (obviously assuming he did, in fact, close last night. MZ could easily have lied about cloning the first night. | ||
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Before we can finally conclude something we need to know if mkfuba07 survive his own usage of the crown / did he get roleblocked. If mkfuba07 claims that he used the crown and doesn't know why nobody is dead, the most likely course of action involved MZ fakeclaiming not getting hit night 1, and using his clone ability night 2. | ||
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On December 08 2013 15:49 mkfuba07 wrote: OK, I apparently suck at explaining things. To be more clear: Crown of Solomon May only be used at night, must be used the night I obtained it, is one-shot Three players are selected: Player X Player Y Player Z Two parity checks are made, and we are not made aware of the results. if X and Y are "same", and X and Z are "different", then Z dies if X and Y are "different", and X and Z are "same", then Y dies If both parity checks come back with the same result, then X dies What happened last night: I submitted X: mkfuba, Y:Koshi, Z: MZ I then received a message saying that the item didn't activate. None of the three died. Based on this, I don't see how we can draw a conclusion other than "for some reason, the crown didn't go off". Do you still have the crown? | ||
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Anivia and Soraka can both do that. So that suggests that one of the VTs isn't exactly a VT. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:48 Coagulation wrote: you guys are gonna shit when i flip town lolol What does your nuke do? Does it kill things? Or just hurt things? And should I be running? | ||
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On December 10 2013 08:00 kushm4sta wrote: it saves me the trouble of having to read his filter also if he flips scum I will be confirmed town. ticklishmusic is practically confirmed town and you are wondering why I think you are mafia? | ||
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I'd rather think of just Fuba as confirmed town (as well as ticklishmusic). The most important thing to take away is to not leave our focus on MZ. He seems to be heavily protected lately by mafia members and I personally want to lynch him tomorrow. I would highly suggest protecting ticklishmusic tonight | ||
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On December 10 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: im vt what did you try to take? | ||
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Kush, what I would like to see is some KP power for the town, easiest way to flush out lurkers without wasting lynch kp. | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Except that we did not verify him. Unless an SK is in the game, taking (basically) killing amounts of KP is good enough of verification for me, unless someone steps up to claim the hit | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: I just want some sort of investigative capabilities... Parity cop on its own is weak in my mind because it takes a minimum of 2 nights to work. The fact that it was used on me last night is incredibly unfortunate. We have been struggling in a sea of so much unknown for way too long. Having any additional way to actually get accurate alignments would be beyond helpful. I'm just worried that like the crown, the host might suddenly change the item so it only works once. Parity cop would take too long to kick in, but a dayvig would give us valuable information that we can use tomorrow. | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:40 Onegu wrote: No they are saying he could be mafia who used the faction kp on sandaroba and it got shot back at him. I looked through Sandroba's filter and I don't think I see that he claimed any current HP to suggest the damage (and he also assumes that ticklemusic was shot with something else), and it seems like mafia KP works as an overkill, so I am inclined not to assume that he shot sandroba. | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:51 Mocsta wrote: Explain: and it seems like mafia KP works as an overkill, On December 10 2013 00:56 sandroba wrote: Ok so that ambulance radio prob doesnt show the overkill that might have happened to chezinu, so that would explain the odd kp number. My guess is that scum prob didn't use anything on me this night. Further, this is dumb LSB (even for you) " and I don't think I see that he claimed any current HP to suggest the damage " If the dmg was reflected, OF COURSE, sandroba would not have been hit for dmg.... Sandroba never claimed that he has 749 HP. | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote: That's one that needed slight adjustments (read nerfs). I just asked. Dayvig not happening. Not commenting on it further. Nightvig then? | ||
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Btw was your Dust of Appearance approved? Being able to watch two people at once seems to be pretty good too | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: No sandroba, there really isn't. Only real reads Koshi has had in this game were OdinOfPergo and MZ and when MZ-lynch was talked about Koshi said MZ wasn't even his scumread. If we let alone his role use and stuff regarding that Koshi has been entirely useless all game. Although slightly useless, his inventions have helped the town to a certain degree so I'm inclined to keep him around and go after more likely canidates | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:42 Mig wrote: LSB who do you think is mafia? You pop in to make comments on random things like inventions quite a bit but I don't really see you commenting on who is scum. Give me like 4-5 hours or so. Been sporadic due to finals, but I don't want to be completely out of the loop of things really | ||
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Things we know that Mafia has: Kassadin + roleblocker, had Ziggs | ||
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On December 11 2013 06:13 Mig wrote: Well no point in arguing a lot about it, but I would just ask yourself if you think mafia is going to shoot you tonight. (the answer is probably no). If you are mafia then disregard. LSB/MZ neither of you have claimed your second powers. What are they? On December 02 2013 13:20 LSB wrote: I have a defensive ability too, just it isn't relevant in any way shape or form to what my night actions or optimal town actions are I'll get to analysis after the day post. Might as well wait the few hours so I don't look stupid calling a dead townie mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would mafia!MZ use mirror image on N1? Like did he assume town will hit him with something like 1000 KP? He DID indeed use it, correct? as someone shot him. There is no way we can verify if he used it, and if he is mafia, it wouldn't be a stretch to lie about using it | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:16 supersoft wrote: at least he didnt claim it right away and then sticked with the story he didnt took any, which fits his role... LSB is obviously correct: if he's scum, he could have lied about it all. However i don't see the benefit of lying about such a simple thing, since taking damage doesn't incriminate him. so he had no reason to hide that damage. Simply having a clone in an unexpected situation (such as night 2, which could be another explanation for the crown thing, in addition to roleblocking) is always valuable. If I were a mafia Wukong I would probably try to claim I used my clone ability quickly so I could dodge a town vig who wouldn't have shot me if he thought I had my clones The reason why I am so cautious is due to Mig focusing Meepak On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote: Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected. coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey. Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage. I find it odd that Mig was unable to use his second action, and probably one of the strangest things that went on last night. If Mig hit meepak and returned an odd HP number, I think MZ would be under even more serious suspicion. Anyways, it'd be best to wait for the day post for more information on this | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote: One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back. Correct me if I am wrong. Last time I tried to ask hosts clarification questions all I got back were question marks in big bloded blue | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't talk bullshit please. Neither Fuba's power nor the item use went through. Why are you talking bullshit LSB? Explain this post then On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote: Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected. coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey. Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage. | ||
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The major reason why I think jaybrundage is scum is due to his day two play. And his odd push on Austinmcc and drawing the heat off of MZ The strangest part of jaybrundage's play is what he did during the day two lynch. Instead of focusing on major lynch targets who were being suspected of scum, he tried to focus town discussion on Austinmcc and Roffles, two lurkers On December 07 2013 10:12 jaybrundage wrote: KK lets talk on consolidating on Roffles or austin. If your town you should get off the MZ wagon. Letting there be three wagons lets scum manipulate it much easier. We should narrow this down between 2 people. I'm still on the fence regarding the two. But MZ should NOT be a lynch candidate today. This is pretty suspicious, no only because a vote between two lurkers is not a very informative discussion (it just boils down to a this person is lurking harder than the other), but really jaybrundage shows he really doesn't care about who gets lynched day 2. Consider the tone between these two posts On December 05 2013 14:43 jaybrundage wrote: Im a bit annoyed because you don't seem to be trying. Your case on austin seems nonexistent. Hes a lurker you asked him a question and you called him scum. My only thinking that you could have any validity to your case on austin is if you have a blue roll that gives you a check. But even then it would have been in the day time and that seems unlikely. Please try..... Plz? On December 07 2013 10:17 jaybrundage wrote: Fuck it lets kill Austin. He should give us way more information. Because he made more reads (even if there town reads) as opposed to roffles who has said jack shit. We should just take care of Roffles via KP. He is lurking hardcore and he is playing anti town as shit. His death gives us nothing to go off of. I wouldn't be surprised if austin and Roffles are both on scum team. And they send roffles out to be a distraction to both get heat off austin and if we lynch austin its unlikely we will lynch roffles because the stereotype is that hes just a anti town trolling townie instead of a scum making plays. ##Unvote ##VOTE AUSTINMCC Although Jaybrundage doesn't outright say it. He really doesn't care about the current lynch, in fact his major reasons for the lynch are 1) Austin gave out a lot of town reads (pretty hypocritical considering how many townreads Jaybrundage threw out himself). 2) Austin will give out a lot of 'valuable information' Information lynches are horrible because they are a misnomer, they don't give out any information at all. If Ausitn is town, no information is gleaned. If Austin is scum no information is gleaned. It is all to likely that the town is misguided or the mafia is bussed. In addition Jaybrundage misrepresented Austin's filter, austin got in trouble not because of all his town reads, but rather how he went around doing his scum reads. To call Austin's filter a mess of town reads is not just an over-exaggeration it is a complete misrepresentation. This is very indicative of forcing analysis and suggests he has an alternative agenda Indeed Jaybrundage has a lot of difficulty in saying why austin is scum, most of his points rely on the so called information that can be gained from lynching austin (and what information is that now that austin has flipped?). What he is more interested in is defending Meepak_Ziphh Even in his case against austin he can't but help go on a long tangent about why Meepak is town On December 07 2013 10:54 jaybrundage wrote: Yea just finished reading MZ's filter I think that hes probably town he sounds sincere in alot of his posts. And austin is scum. Part of the reason why I think austin is scum is the first part of the game He SOLELY (hyberbole) gives town reads. He gives town read after town read after town read. This is very easy for scum to do. They know who's town so they can go off little things in posts to try to establish rap with other townies. (if he thinks im town he must be town reading me line of thinking) He then harps on MZ for bothering Koshi. Yes MZ is constantly bugging Koshi. I think the reason for MZ's tunneling Koshi is a couple reasons. A. MZ thinks Koshi might be scum. B. Koshi is inventor so he can make sweet stuff that ideally would be given to townies. C. Koshi being inventor IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE D. Koshi is not contributing much to scum hunting E Koshi being scum in MZ's eyes and is being ignored as a lynch candidate because of his Power Is driving MZcrazy and makes it keep coming back to Koshi to put pressure on him. That is my idea why MZ kept bothering Koshi even tho hes not a lynch candidate atm. I think this is the real reason why Jaybrundage wanted to lynch austin. He wants to draw the heat away from Meepak_Ziphh. However he tries to do it indirectly by forcing a lynch on Austin and in doing so demonstrates that he is forcing a lynch, as well as demonstrating that he doesn't care about the lynch in the first place. | ||
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On December 11 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote: Known DMG Ticklish: >101 dmg (down 749/850) VE: > 700 dmg (down 300/1000) Fuba: > 450dmg (down 400/850) Rean: ??? Mocsta: 150 dmg JL: 500 dmg (250 from sandroba; 125 from Mig, 125 from ?Fuba?) MZ: 150dmg (may have 75 from sandroba) MZ/Rean/Roffles/LSB: 75dmg (from sandroba) JAT: KP --> ??? I took no damage, and from how sandroba phrases it it is distributed completely at random | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:08 Mocsta wrote: @LSB Do you agree your case hinges on MZ being scum? Not necessarily but it highly suggests that MZ is scum. It would make a lot less sense if MZ is town, though JB actions are still very suspicious. | ||
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A more important question is "why wasn't ticklemusic protected last night?". It was pretty clear that he was going to be a target by someone considering he had so little hp | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:56 Koshi wrote: Feel free to give me ideas for great items. I am without inspiration. The eater of the weak. Upon activation, at the end of the day it kills the two players with the least amount of posts made during that day. If hosts nerf it to only 1, there is no point of the item though because a simple vig gun would be better. Or some sort of day dt Blinding Light. At any time type "##Blinding Light: Playername Playername", it returns a DT check via modpost immediately. Even if it gets nerfed to one player it would be pretty awesome | ||
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The best part about it is you don't even have to actually activate it. So you can tell who really actually doesn't care about the game, and who is trying to pretend they don't care about the game at little cost :D | ||
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On December 12 2013 08:47 Risen wrote: Lynch both? I can't judge so I'll just catch you up since one page back is intimidating to read to. Double lynch today! lol I'm not gonna put all my eggs in one basket. | ||
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On December 07 2013 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once [/QUOTE] Well... now that you mention it, this looks incredibly fake and really weak | ||
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It's funny you talk about "having balls" when you turn around and vote probably the two easiest people to accuse. I've been lurking hard and roffels even harder | ||
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On December 12 2013 08:52 sandroba wrote: MZ I must say your 2nd ability claim looks fake as shit. I'm considering lynching MZ the scummer and LSB the sk. If I was sk kushm4ster would be dead. | ||
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On December 12 2013 09:11 jaybrundage wrote: Why are you avoiding the issue of replying to my response of your case. Yea I just vote the easiest people in the thread /sarcasm. That's why I thought SS, VE, and Marv and wanted to lynch them. Honestly your complete lack of reason has lead me to the conclusion that your scum not that its "easy" No matter how much time I spend arguing with you I don't think I can convince you to vote yourself. Plus it is written in red which is hard to read | ||
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JAT- GREEN easiest thing in the world to shoot a lurker as mafia and be like "oops" Mocsta- Green they've thrown too much unnecessary dirt on each other even if no one cares, doesn't look like a bus to me. Although you probably don't think I'm the best judge of this, but it seems clear to me that JonnyLaw uses "LYNCH LSB or ROFFLES" as a copout to discussion of lynch targets. Like MZ for instance. | ||
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I've played with Coag multiple times and I know he isn't stupid enough to throw away his life (especially as mafia) for no reason. Day 3 is just absurd from an objective point of view. Coag pops out of nowhere with a nuke and sacrifices himself, and JL a mafia is happy to send him along to his death. Coag wasn't under any serious suspicion at the time so I don't see why he would honestly just kill himself. I'm sure he would be happy to lurk away. I think the whole entire nuke drama was to draw attention off of MZ. After the sour taste of day 2, MZ looked pretty bad and the whole entire Coag fiasco allowed the issue to be pushed out of the radar. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh Unless I find someone else who I think I should vote for I'm gonna keep my vote on jaybear. I really want this cleared up though. | ||
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On December 12 2013 11:01 Mig wrote: LSB what is your second power? Onegu what is your second power? Rayne what did you say your second power did again? A defensive power that basically makes me survive a night kill | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:31 Mig wrote: MZ I agree that LSB's reason for voting you is pretty bad. The nuke reason is especially BS. If you are town who do you think the mafia rber is? Is coag really that bad to simply fire a nuke for no real reason? He always has a reason for doing something strange. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=246#4916 | ||
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On December 12 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote: This is Wifom Injection at its finest. How about this reversal. Coag fired the nuke at Mz/fuba so u could make this argument in his death.... If coag wanted MZ lynched all he had to do would be to twiddle his thumbs and do nothing. If I were mafia and wanted MZ dead I would have voted for him instead of Roffles day 2. I don't know why people are so dismissive of coag's play. But I believe that there is a reason behind coags actions, especially since I have played with him before. Anyways, as long as MZ is dead I'm gonna be happy today | ||
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On December 13 2013 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: Still at a loss for how to use my lantern effectively now. Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? Throw the lantern at someone who can protect you, that person then targets you and uses the lantern. | ||
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On December 13 2013 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah, I considered that. Hey Koshi, with all this discussion of 2nd abilities being ults - have you claimed your second ability, and what does it do? If you are notified if they use it or not before the end of the day. Throw it to someone you think is scum (who isn't terribly important) and isn't gonna be lynched. Force them to use the lantern. If they are scum you can't be killed so you don't feel so bad. If they are town, well you'll probably be hit then. I'll be willing to carry the lantern, my defensive ability should allow me to tank some damage | ||
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Unfortnatly that plan wouldn't work on me since I can tank a ton of dmg | ||
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Well the whole point of it isn't to confirm yourself gtrsrs as town or anything. It is just to make sure you don't get nightkilled or make it so you are harder to get nightkilled, and if you do, throw some info up in the air. | ||
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I'd propose JL, and if I do die to lynch make sure you guys snag him tomorrow if MZ flips red | ||
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On December 13 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Almost back. They're gone. They each have truly legit reasons for being afk afaik, but it's D4 already and not fair to other players. As for the language in the past couple pages, just try and fucking test me. One more time and I give kush what he wants. That goes for anyone. I'm long past caring about the outcome and credibility of this game. -Wave Edit: Welp 10k. Thanks TL Mafia for the ride of a fucking lifetime Grtz on being a carrier now | ||
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