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geript
10024 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Like...he threw dirt on me too.  Maybe he IS scum.....I NEED MY WUBBYBUMPKINS TO COME HOLD ME!!! OH DEAR SWEET WAVEOFSHADOW WHEREFORE ART THOU?????? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:06 Kurumi wrote: Koshi, how many games have you played? It's in my profile. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On December 03 2013 07:55 geript wrote: @Sandroba. Who are townreads for you right now and why? Not going to bother giving/explaining town reads until i think it's necessary. I'm curious as to why you would ask me of all people that. I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Yeah, you are new. Okay, so is there anything else to your case besides you not understanding why I call people out on stuff (you omitted kushm4sta convo for some reason) and why I like Warwick? I really would like to talk about your case but I don't see anything there that could be scummy; I think Warwick is dangerous, I vote to ban him. Then, I pick him to deny him from scum. Then, since there was a massclaim motto going on and people claimed I jumped on it because a half-assed massclaim hurts town a lot. I could have kept my mouth shut, I never really pushed claims from people even, so where am I in all of this? I just supported the idea, I have no idea why people don't want to claim at this point, when damage has been done. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:12 Kurumi wrote: Yeah, you are new. Okay, so is there anything else to your case besides you not understanding why I call people out on stuff (you omitted kushm4sta convo for some reason) and why I like Warwick? I really would like to talk about your case but I don't see anything there that could be scummy; I think Warwick is dangerous, I vote to ban him. Then, I pick him to deny him from scum. Then, since there was a massclaim motto going on and people claimed I jumped on it because a half-assed massclaim hurts town a lot. I could have kept my mouth shut, I never really pushed claims from people even, so where am I in all of this? I just supported the idea, I have no idea why people don't want to claim at this point, when damage has been done. Why is it a disaster when 9 people blueclaim their role and 1 guy doesn't? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:11 sandroba wrote: Not going to bother giving/explaining town reads until i think it's necessary. I'm curious as to why you would ask me of all people that. I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town. I've only played a handful of games with you (maybe 2); one was nuclear where palmar caught you on a missed town read. I haven't read your filter yet but I wanted to get a sense of your thought process in specific. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:14 Koshi wrote: Why is it a disaster when 9 people blueclaim their role and 1 guy doesn't? It is a disaster when minority of the players claim their roles, while half of that minority is vt. That paints a HUGE target on people who claimed and gives Mafia an idea where not to hit when it comes to VTs. The info about who VTs tried to pick is crucial because it helps in later stages of the game to catch scum lying about their roles; also, we know where that role MIGHT be. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
I will respond to questions about roleclaiming. On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote: what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left. So your plan is to let mafia strike first and then try to pick up the pieces afterwards? That is an incredibly stupid idea. You are essentially accomplishing the same thing that roleclaiming right now, while allowing mafia to get out a few hits undetected. First of all we need to expose people who are fake claiming, we need to make sure that if you are a vanilla town you are who you claim. I feel like it is best to get this done early because as you conceded, we will need to get this done sometime. Lets use your example. Lets say someone picked nocturne, and suddenly he gets roleblocked even though town agrees it's best to use his ability. We know who is the roleblocker and therefore can hold that person accountable. If no one claimed roleblocker we check on the VT claims again and see what they did last night and the nights before. On December 03 2013 05:23 Risen wrote: 1) So they are not misused? They will be misused if scum knows what we're doing and knows where we're aiming things. Revealed by process of elimination? How? Not every role got picked, some people got VT from choosing something other people chose. 2) Why is this good again? This whole statement is so condescending and self-centered. Reads as you don't want everyone's input on role actions, you just want to know where the things are being aimed. 3) Except mafia can also help direct claimed town so... 4) Right now? But you reserve the right to later. Got it. If you are wondering about my concerns please look over previous PYP games. Role claiming was instrumental to victory in the ones I've played PYP2/PYP3. There were many powerful roles that the town locked hard on. For example in PYP2 there was a compulsive vigilante role, even though Mafia got their hands on that role they were unable to use it for their own purposes because the town directed where the hits went. In addition with a mass claim of roles, they were able to easily isolate the few remaining mafia members by piecing together who was lying and who was not. By having everyone roleclaim, this allows any trackers to confirm night actions so people are held accountable to their actions. Should mafia try to run inference against town actions it should be easy to hold the people who are able to do that interference accountable for their actions. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:15 Kurumi wrote: It is a disaster when minority of the players claim their roles, while half of that minority is vt. That paints a HUGE target on people who claimed and gives Mafia an idea where not to hit when it comes to VTs. The info about who VTs tried to pick is crucial because it helps in later stages of the game to catch scum lying about their roles; also, we know where that role MIGHT be. That's not how you painted it before, I could see that this is correct in theory. But before this you were just yelling for people to claim. Everybody that doesn't claim his hero is still a ? for scum. Most people on top are blue anyway, scum knows this, knowing which hero they have might help scum more than not knowing what hero it was. Nobody is going to kill this dumb tryndamere and his silly spells. There is really no reason to say how bad or how good your spells are. Also, you don't call out scummy things. I has nothing to do with me not understanding that. On December 02 2013 19:13 Kurumi wrote: Those same numbers people look suspicious to me. Risen, StorrZerg, Geript, Oatsmaster What is the purpose after this post? What scummy things do you point out? On December 03 2013 00:13 Kurumi wrote: BloodyC0bbler Not much to note besides being against a massclaim, but there is something interesting - he says that Warwick is not that good, because he has to know more to work. I think he started this Urgot wagon, which is pretty decent, he probably was a bus driver as well because of his ultimate in-game. He fought a little with the massclaim plan, but not much. Something is fishy, but he is laid-back in his posts so I am willing to give BC some leeway. What scummy thing do you point out? BC is against ANY SORT OF CLAIMING. This is not scummy at all. You just said that the only reason you are pro scumclaiming is because if only a couple people blueclaim these people are under pressure. BC said that NOBODY should claim so that heroes like warwick are BAD. Which makes 100% sense. What do you say: BC is against mass claiming = noteworthy (aka scummy) (you don't say why) BC says therefore Warwick is not that good. (Which is true) (Why is this "interesting") (aka scummy) BC fighted the mass claim thing (Which was smart if nobody claimed, like I said), BC stopped fighting it when more people claimed and we enter that area in which you say everybody should claim (why is this scummy? it's logical for you.) + WHAT IS FISHY? You make BC look scummy. But there is really nothing that I agree with. Rewrite you BC case please so I understand. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. In addition if you have a role that can increase mafia KP you should be claiming. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - VT? Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
ticklishmusic - Elaborate on your earlier scumread on me and why did it change. Right the only thing in this game you have done is that you claimed the have had a scumread on the towniest guy in thread, didn't explian it ever and then retracted from it. In addition to this, who do you think is scum now? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: Your filter is really interesting. Harping on a few people - asking more people about completely different people. I see no focus. I see no substance. I see you looking like you're contributing, but I don't see a whole lot from you. You started the game out hyper aggressive. Some was directed at me. Some people mentioned that you are just an aggressive towns player. However, as the game has continued, it seems you've backed off your aggression more and have become complacent - more polite. It doesn't sit right with me. Don't come to me and talk about "blah posts". Your two "votes" have hardly had any reason to be thrown out. They aren't doing anything. Oh, wait, let me look. You haven't even voted in the voting thread. You're blowing smoke out of your ass, and you're at the forefront of my list. love. <3 These are good pages, worthy to look into! I have some stuff to do tonight and I'll read them carefully later but for now I'm quickly catching up on the thread. | ||
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. | ||
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