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Stop talking about the mass claim already because it's clear that it's not going to happen. Does LSB's plan make him scum? No, because the plan is pro-town. Does LSB pursuing his plan make him scum? No, because it's pro-town. Does LSB talking about nothing but mass-claim make him scum? No, if you guys keep him talking only about it. Yes, if he won't do anything else when you stop calling him scum for his plan.
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LSB, before i go to bed i would like you to clarify something.
I got the feeling your case against bumatlarge is the following; He made a plan he did not follow later on. In his plan he left himself outs for fakeclaiming another role if needed. That makes you think he is working with scum-agenda and ha hasn't explained himself in a townie manner. Am i correct?
A couple of questions;
Is there any way you think his actions might come from a townie? I mean, you don't need to give the right answers by answering me, just yes/no. Or are you convinced he is scum and won't change your mind whatever he says? I ask this because as scum i tend to make cases that are worded in a manner it does not leave the accusee any room for arguing against it. It's quite a powerful tool when any answer someone gives can be painted as "not reasonable". :p
Also am i correct in the fact that atm you are threatening bumatlarge with shooting him until he dies unless he reasonably explains himself?
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JonnyLaw - you are supposed to look at the playerlist, not the draft order regarding the list movement powers.
ticklishmusic - i think you are missing my point. Why did you have a scumread on me earlier and what made you change your mind? how does your meta-seach suggest my play in this game differs from my scumgames?
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On December 03 2013 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I like how effort = town, right rayn? yeah, i am starting to think that meta-search is bullshit. i hate the votes on kush.
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ticklishmusic:
I spent the last couple days researching my hunch that Rayn was scum, but he seems okay based on past games (apart from not calling town absolute shit this game).
On December 03 2013 16:08 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: ticklishmusic - Elaborate on your earlier scumread on me and why did it change. Right the only thing in this game you have done is that you claimed the have had a scumread on the towniest guy in thread, didn't explian it ever and then retracted from it. In addition to this, who do you think is scum now? A bit late to reply, but anywho... I'm a little iffy on you anointing yourself the towniest person here. But you're generally being abrasive like the other games you played as townie, so seems about right (now anyways). 
On December 03 2013 16:30 ticklishmusic wrote: i honestly dont remember 100% why i had the scumread on you so early on, and i am too lazy to really go back and figure out exactly why. i think it was because you accused like half the thread early on, asked for some opinions, agreed/disagreed without elaborating much.
okay im going to bed... as soon my damn archer tower finishes in clash of clans. This is basically everything he has done in this game. He says he had a hunch on me being scum, and then spent the last couple of days following that hunch, which lead him to my old games. However:
- He doesn't even remember why he had a scumread on me
- He doesn't seem to have a real meta-read on me because he can't tell why my behavior as scum is different than as town
Now does this sound like he has spent the last couple of days getting a better read on me? To me it does seem like an excuse to not have participated at all.
Then he says he reads people's past games before he gives judgement on them. Andddd after that he agrees on a scumread on kushmasta while many people have said this is what kushmasta does as town, without having to read kushmasta's past games, apparently, because he would know this.
So, he's just jumping on different people, going against his own policies (reading past games before giving judgement), and then retracting from his scumreads for no real reason (as he needs to do regarding kush in case he reads his past games). Dropping suspicion in places where he can retract from it later if needed.
##Vote: ticklishmusic
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so gtrsrs you have apparently misunderstood how the picks work too. And the post is worthless. God why do people not read OP?
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I think we should lynch ticklishmusic or geript. geript's case on Oats is quite irrational and other than that he has basically contributed nothing on D1.
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Yeah let's use all town KP to hit town so that mafia can just kill 5 people / night by splitting up their KP (assuming it works like it did in GoT). Good plan geript.
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What? Oats and kushmasta are quite obviously town.
Do you think gtrsrs and JonnyLaw are scum, like honestly? gtrsrs did just make a case based on completely false setup information? Like he totally faked it? JohnnyLaw does not know which player list to look into when discussing things about player-mover roles. Do you really think scum are not that aware of the setup or do you think they are faking it here?
What separates ticklish from let's say Rean? ticklish came in and this is what he did: "i had a scumread on rayn, but after 2 days of looking into his past games i don't anymore" "i don't remember why i had a scumread on him" "my townread is based on him now being abrasive, which he is as town" "i however do not mention how that is different from his scumgames while i was asked about it" "i might not post much because i wanna get to know people's playstyles before making judgement on them -> i need to read their past games first" "but kushmasta is scum, that i can say - while other people tell this is what he does as town"
and geript's push on Oats is ridiculous, he takes some aspects of Oats' play and fits them into something Oats has once done as scum. That's not meta, that's bullshit. Especially considering Oats does all those things as town.
seriously marv?
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I am not trying to get into a bitchfight with you. I am confused why you have geript in "do not lynch" and gtr/Jonny in "do lynch" category. I think what i pointed out was a legit question to you, maybe phrased a bit too aggressively, agreed.
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Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games?
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On December 03 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games.
Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no?
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On December 03 2013 21:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games.Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no? Seems a pretty weird mafia-ploy to call you mafia for the same reasons he's going to call you town for later. *shrug* The point is he called me "earlier mafia now town" in the same post of his. Another weird thing i just noticed is he claims he has been involved in the game by reading my past games. However he was not enough involved to send in draft numbers.
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i am talking about ticklishmusic. apparently you are talking about LSB.
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On December 03 2013 21:08 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 21:00 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games.Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no? Seems a pretty weird mafia-ploy to call you mafia for the same reasons he's going to call you town for later. *shrug* The point is he called me "earlier mafia now town" in the same post of his. Another weird thing i just noticed is he claims he has been involved in the game by reading my past games. However he was not enough involved to send in draft numbers. You made the argument earlier that mafia were more likely to be coordinated to send in their draft numbers... Like there's no reason what I bolded should come from either mafia or town tbh. But the dude literally said he has spent past 2 days reading my past games. Do you really believe he has done so when he did not even send in draft numbers?
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On December 03 2013 21:10 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am talking about ticklishmusic. apparently you are talking about LSB. rayn ticklish got taric at #26. What do you think about that? I dunno. Should i be thinking something about it?
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Except he claimed he picked it before we got the roles. We don't even know if he has it or not..
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or if he actually did pick it..
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