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/give candies to koshi /also give candies to grackaroni - and baby seals | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Q: What's more demoralizing for the town than mafia killing possible town leaders? A: Possible townleaders modkilling themselves. Q: What's more demoralizing for the town than mafia killing only blues during the nights? A: Town lynching only blues during the day. Q: How do you avoid raging in the situations above? A: By rolling mafia or hosting the game instead of playing. *should be added to the OP* | ||
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On November 12 2013 16:05 Onegu wrote: Im going to go for a 22 page filter as either alignmemt this game. See how it goes. Spam 440 posts on D1 -> proceed getting yourself modkilled for inactivity on N1. Profit? | ||
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I will tell you all now i will not run for mayor regardless of my alignment. Koshi will. | ||
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On November 13 2013 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No one wants the bc. Makes me sad Being Koshi's chief of press does not guarantee i will vote for him.  | ||
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On November 15 2013 05:07 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn not voting for Koshi? No i am just his Chief of Press.. | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Your post is useless and i think you're scum What exactly is dumb? Do you just repeat what you read in this thread or do you think by yourself? Are you planning to keep "playing" like that? Because this is completely useless. LXI ended how it did because of too many dickwavers like this. I suggest you don't try to repeat it unless you plan on getting lynched. VE actually i called HF's campaign bad, you called him town for it. Why no you say anything about it to me? | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote: To each his own. Arbitrarily throwing your vote onto someone is not something that I like to do often. Either way: How can you call mine bad whereas the other candidates that have put themselves forward so far did so in a manner that was with 3 or 4 lines? What are your reasons for your other reads too, supersoft has been "aggressive" so far and confrontational and I know you have played with him before, why is it just an IDK? Quite frankly, your establishment of yourself so far is mediocre. Off the top of your head is not something I see you doing often. Because the only thing anyone can do at this point to campaign for themselves is to find scum and prove to other people their findings are in fact scum. If that person is going to be kushm4sta at the end of D1 then i will vote for kushm4sta. I give no fucks about who is running but i am going to vote for who i think is the best scumhunter in this game (obviously i am going to vote for myself - but if i needed to choose someone else). All these campaigns are full of shit because OBVIOUSLY everyone running for mayor (even if they are scum) will say "i will do my best to find scum and listen to other people and yeah yeah bla bla..". I will not listen to anyone i don't think has decent enough opinions, i will lynch scum. That's my campaign. Yours have many fancy words that say very little. And then there was the "because noone has said anything at all at this point" which is completely false. And this: 1. Determine my top scum reads based on analysis. These choices will be my most preferred lynches. 2. Failing to lynch my top scum reads, i.e if thread sentiment does not follow, I will only lynch into people that I consider scum by way of a convincing case from other people or actual knowledge based play (meta, good points etc.) 3. Get rid of people that have contributed nothing, only if we are in a fit state as a town to be able to do this. Why would you fail to lynch your top scumreads? You decide the lynch. No need to read further. supersoft promotes bad town atmosphere and that's like the worst thing you can do at the start of the game. If he is as good as he claims h should know that does not help. Being aggressive =/= promoting bad town atmosphere before anyone says anything about it. He picks unnecessary fights with people for completely arbitary reasons. Yo Pandain i like that you didn't like Sharrant. Dat post you brought up was pretty bad. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote: I'll vote anyone who makes their platform lynching rayn. You get modkilled for not voting. :p What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:13 austinmcc wrote: rayn, risen, and sharrant, I want to sit down and chat with you guys. Individually, for the most part. rayn (1) Are you town? (2) Please unpack this statement:What, in particular, did you not like about that post? Does the rest of sharrant's filter do anything for you? 1) yes 2) the tone of his first post is too serious (regarding electing kush) and idk why would he even entertain the idea of voting for someone who hasn't actually posted yet. like giving out townreads on people before they posted? already putting up some arbitary group he will choose his mayoral vote from? why? For same reason i dislike supersoft. It's not like the mayor will "YOLO i lynch this guy and not listen to anyone" unless they want to get lynched the next day. So yeah, not considering every player in the game for possibly mayor at the start of the game is really scummy. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:36 yamato77 wrote: lonemeow hasn't posted in the thread yet masoned me interesting thought process I kinda think that makes him town. | ||
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Risen has overly paranoid reads as both alignments, there is no way of telling his alignment from those posts. supersoft you can't say what you said before. You can't possibly know if BC and Mig are town and you should not be electing scum. Therefore your post was useless (assuming you are town) or buddying up to other vets (if you aare scum). | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:07 supersoft wrote: I just don't buy his story. It's artificial and exaggerated That's the problem when you're being a dick. Some people hate it. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So what's your plan of getting a read on Risen? Your initial post said that you wanted to ignore him on day 1 leading me to believe you thought he was town being dumb. Why did you make that initial statement? I am planning on getting a read on him after D1. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: ok yeah What is this Rayn? Can you show that he fakes overly paranoid reads as scum? World heavyweight lifting game everything after D1. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah surreal is different from being overly paranoid. Not necessarily and in this situation no. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Where do you get all this extensive experience with Risen? I actually pay attention to what people say in games and i have been masoned with him in GoT and i played scum with him in WHLC. I dunno, maybe you need 100 games with someone to get a grasp on how they play but i don't. | ||
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Was HF's campaign scum or town? | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:49 Koshi wrote: No, he is not town for masoning yamato. Or explain to me why it is litterally impossible for scum to mason yamato. Because it's really bad scumplay and Lonemeow as scum mason would have gone into scumchat and asked what to do with the mason instead of picking someone, especially yamato, from the playerlist. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Uh why are you believing what Lonemeow says rayn? Why are you asking dumb questions? I just told why i find it extremely unlikely he would have done that as scum. The other option is that he is town and telling the truth. | ||
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Something about raynpelikoneet is bothering me, but I can't pin it down on any specific post. I didn't like how strongly he defended me, though. I don't understand this. Are saying you are acting scummy? | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:22 LoneMeow wrote: Who's your top scum suspect that you'd prefer we look into instead? Waiting for Storrzerg's answer to Mocsta.
That's it pretty much from the people who have posted. Still not sold on Koshi's towniness, seems too tryhard which is not his usual townplay. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:40 yamato77 wrote: I'm markedly less concerned with track ATM than I am BC. I think I'm actually right about him honestly. You mean right about Grack or BC? Yeah BC looks bad, but i don't think we should talk about him as there is not much to talk about unless someone disagrees. Whatcha think of Koshi? | ||
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the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management. BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum. there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:22 Onegu wrote: Ok I will look I was the first person to tunnel rayn and call him scum in witchcraft. Reading thread now. What happened to this Onegu? | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote: ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. It's bad because we lynch BC if he is scum and we don't lynch him if he is town. The argument of weighing the pros and cons of lynching him is nonsense. | ||
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BC hangs like any other player in this game and we lynch him if he is scum. No need to give anyone a free pass because of some arbitary status. | ||
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What do you think of supersoft's last post? | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:24 Holyflare wrote: Also what i mean on the reads front is that when you post your read about someone it is usually based on 1 or 2 lines of you saying something that a person did. This means I have to read up to see if it actually makes sense and to confirm what you are saying and when you do give a read off the top of your head I expect you to follow it up with some reasoning: re: Yeah i could quote all their posts and say "this is bad", "this is also bad", "this is incorrect" but i don't care. If you are not willing to do the work yourself and take a look if you think i am right or not then you are lazy or scum. And that is something that definitely does not make me scum like you seem to be implying. | ||
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Also, everyone thinks their playstyle is the same as both town and scum because that would be the ideal thing to do, if that were the case nobody could have any meta on you at all and so when you asked yamato if you were definitely town because he could "read" you, he must therefore be wrong too. So which is it? Are you the best mafia player with an impeccable playstyle or could it be that someone actually analyses you in a correct manner? Well you are calling me scum besides ~5 other players so you definitely have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. You are totally twisting my words. scum. | ||
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*also elect me as mayor* On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rayn. Only question I have for you on Risen. He has actively said he thinks your scum and should die. Why are you intent on leaving him alone day 1 (as well as defending him I might add) when he actively wants you dead? Because he wanting me dead does not make him scum. | ||
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Could you comment on my case on HF? | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont even know what this case is Rayn. Only the last point has ANY merit at all and thats stretching it. That's because you don't understand how to find scum. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Im not saying it makes him scum but why are you fine with leaving someone alone who doesn't want you to live? I find your reaction to it strange. Risen can't possibly get me lynched when i am town and me arguing with him about it does nothing good because i am fairly sure we can't come to an agreement. So it's better for everyone if i let him do his own stuff, if he's town he will probably realize i am town at some point, if he is scum i don't know but we'll see about that later. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list The problem is the underlined. I explained i did never call Risen town to people, after this the question is "is rayn lying or not -> do i believe his explanation or is he making shit up" yet HF still says i did something i didn't do and does not address my explanation at all. He interprets my original post in some way and when i explain it i am "correcting myself" when in fact i am not. Here the problem is he is saying his campaign is the absolute best and pro-town while it's not. He is justifying himself being town because of a post that's not alignment indicative (like other people have said aswell) and me being scum because i called the post bad originally? | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's nice Hopeless, but who is scum? The Rayn/Risen thing, Rayn said he'd ignore Risen for D1 and HF extrapolated from that that Rayn considered Risen town. It's not an unreasonable extrapolation and I don't think it's that important. That's not my point which you should know if you read the case. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It was one of your points, and it's the point Hopeless brought up, or do you mean that Risen kept bringing it up after you clarified it? I can't make that out from your paragraph. No my point was this: - I never called Risen town. - People thought i did, that's fine, and questioned me about it - I told why i said what i did - People understood Holyflare STILL says i did call him town and then "corrected" myself which is not the case at all. He should know that if he has read my posts, which he should have done because it was one of his reasons to call me scum for. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ah, I presume you're alluding to this post. Do you see a scum motivation for doing this though? It's guaranteed that he'll get called out on it by you, and he's already backing off and not trying to get you lynched anymore. It seems more like an oversight from a town player whom is trying to explain why he originally voted for you. I don't see how it's beneficial for scum to keep saying you called Risen town when it's been proven factually incorrect. There's no benefit to it. The point is he is not even reading my posts regarding Risen and that's one of his reasons why he called me scum for. Would you not read your scumreads posts on something you called him scum for? | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's happened to me before. Sometimes one gets lazy. A main reason I'm defending him in any case is because I've been able to follow his thought process in how he became suspicious of you and of how he dropped that suspicion since I had the same evolution in reads with similar reasoning. Given you consider HF scum, do you consider me scum as well? No. You are willing to discuss things with me and being reasonable. Also the Risen point was not the only thing i consider Holyflare scum for. | ||
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You say you are ignoring an unflipped player for the entirety of day 1 = I think he is town. Totally incorrect. You are still stubborn and will not go back and read what i said. You can't use that as an argument. You need to call me a liar if you are saying this because i am saying the opposite. Am i a liar? This reminds me of you arguing with syllogism in Hogwarts. Other people have also clearly commented on grack than just BC yet you're all over BC for sharing your sentiment. I also pointed out several of his posts earlier but that for some reason has no weight whatsoever on your theory. Does this now change your read on grack? The best case in thread is on you, not on Grack. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Dude I'm not even arguing? I'm explaining my thought process to you o.o? Then why are you not saying "i was wrong" or "you are making shit up"? | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:41 Holyflare wrote: I misunderstood what you implied by saying you were ignoring him and thus it looked suspicious so I had a scum read on you, you then explain the risen points further and move onto other people, something i equivocate to town rayn and so my read on you becomes unscummy? I'm not understanding you or vice versa if this isn't getting through. Okay, so why did you then bringthe issue up in 100 words when i had explained myself already? | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:46 Holyflare wrote: Because i called you scummy and a few others, namely mocsta, risen, artanis etc were on that sentiment. I outlined my thought process to the thread to show that over time my read on you has actually changed because i actually have analysed your games to see your playstyles. Your few posts recently are very world championshipesque though. So how does the thread sentiment affect your posting? If other people call me scum too why does that mean you need to over-explain yourself? Also how are my last posts world championshipesque? Also could you answer my points 2 and 3 in my case? | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:50 supersoft wrote: you two guys formed a hydra in hogwarts. What does koshi do as townie. How does he scumhunt? Like people usually do.. idk, finds posts that make no sense and calls people out for them. The thing is he is (as town) really outgoing and happy making jokes and interacting with people asking their opinions and calling people out early on and listening people he finds strong. Here he is restricted, insecure and... scared. That's what i sense from his posts atm. He's not giving strong opinions and taking stances. | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:53 Koshi wrote: Also, I have it always a bit harder in the start of a game. Especially big games. lol in Aperture you were like confirmed town at this point of the game. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:13 Koshi wrote: Meh, he would try harder when he would be town and really found something that everybody else missed. Also like everybody said, his first 2 points were moot and rayn didn't bother find more reasons to why Holyflare is scum, he just hammers on the fact Holyflare called him town for reasons he shouldn't. Which isn't too big tbh. This post is really so bad Koshi and i don't know why you would say this as town because you should know better. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:54 Koshi wrote: Yeah, I am not running unless I find scum and nobody else wants to lynch this guy. Then you can vote me and I'll murder him. Brutally. Also prior 1 is still scumhunting. prior 14 is townhunting for a Mayor. For this post Koshi. This was townie post. Nothing else has been. | ||
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On November 16 2013 23:11 Mig wrote: rayn who do you plan on voting for? Looks like nobody is going to vote for you. Also, besides hf who do you think is scum? You said yesterday you were looking for more. Probably VE because i dunno what to think of BC anymore and yamato could even YOLO-lynch him and i don't think that's the best way to go. Koshi, Pandain, supersoft, Sharrant and idk maybe some lurker. | ||
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If i vote for you don't lynch Onegu okay? I feel like VE is not going to lynch Pandain who is scum and i don't think other people he brings up are scum besides Sharrant and he didn't feel strongly about lynching him either. Onegu is so really right about everything he says in this game. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:50 Coagulation wrote: I honestly have no idea why im not on the top of the lynch list at this point. I havnt done a fucking thing. I would expect at least VE to get on my shit but nothing. o well. You have probably posted more than in any game i have ever seen you playing. :p | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:54 Grackaroni wrote: I say we all vote for Artanis. His Mocsta analysis is solid. No it's not. And you are probably scum. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:13 Onegu wrote: Did you even read the HF/LM part, and by his posts reasoning that should be his strongest scumread.... How can you like this post or are you being sarcastic. Thats it right sarcasm? No Onegu, he is scum. They are both. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:14 Pandain wrote: No one should counter claim and BH should get lynched. If he's actually town Rayn should get lynched for brig previously dubious and believing him so fast and poor reaction to a poor fake claim Where did i say i believe his claim? OH i forgot you don't read well because scum. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:20 Koshi wrote: What are you doing rayn? Voting for yamato for mayor Telling people who is scum (your posting got a little better, maybe i am just wrong about you). Telling yamato to kill Holyflare What am i supposed to be doing? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:22 supersoft wrote: I said it's good, not really good and i said with good i mean looking town. Is something wrong with your eyes or what. Can you tell me what taht post actually says? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:25 supersoft wrote: holy moses, can you please shut up. wtf are you trying to do here. Wanna say I am scum for looking through the filters and out the people in the thread, that have only one filterpage? Sharrant is the least scummyperson of the persons that have only one page. Am I scum for having that opinion or what? you're so annoying. Doing nothing. Sitting in this thread, and chatting with that koshkoshguy, you fail to analyze seriously, even though you were a hydra with him. Get out of my way. You can't tell why the post is good because it doesn't say anything at all, it's a list with some townie names. And you are scum. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:47 Pandain wrote: He's literally said it's a real claim Rayn. IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND I HAVE NEVER BELIEVED HIS CLAIM I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU!!?!?!? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:48 Pandain wrote: You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me. You say after the fact "OH SHIT I KNOW YOUR SCUM" but you don't. You can't read me. Every town game you think I'm scum too. I am never seemingly town in any thread actually. I think that's a succesful meta on my part but basically you are so sketchy and I love how you now are so active in defending yourself. Don't talk shit. There has been one game we have both been town in and i didn't call you scum in it. In games when i have been town and you scum i have correctly identified you as scum every time and whatever you say does not make it incorrect. In games where i have been scum and you town i obviously do not need to read you because i know your alignment so wtf are you even talking about? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: So you think he's town and not tracker? Is that your position? I have no idea what he is. That does not make him scum and it does not make him town. I'd rather not lynch him because there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:00 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn you are pretty obviously lying about not believing BH's claim considering you had the exact same thought process as me. Is there no people any more who can fucking think with their brain. Onegu come tell people what my thought process was. You've done pretty good regarding it this game earlier. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:20 Pandain wrote: You're different. Rayn posts like that when he is scum reacting. His post was fast, lighthearted, and didn't fit the situation. BH just did a bad roleclaim with bad breadcrumbs, bad timing, and rayn instead of THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT A PERSON WHO JUST CLAIMED TRACKER goes "oh you, BH <3". That means if BH is town then rayn is almost certaintly scum for his response to BH's claim. You could have fautily believed him and not though it through. Rayn says he didn't really think about it. If you can't decipher from my post that i got the exact same feeling from the claim than i got from his claim in Golden Sun you are bad. But you are not bad so you are making up shit to call me scum. So you are scum. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:57 Onegu wrote: Rayn do you think I am playing well this game so far? I am really scread the next time i roll scum if you are town this game. Yes. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:58 Grackaroni wrote: If BH is tracker he should be mayor... There is absolutely no way BH is going to be a mayor with or without his claim. Everyone, including BH, knows it. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:22 Koshi wrote: Supersoft became town to you why? You agree with his colorful post or was it just pretty to look at? No he didn't become town to me. Why? | ||
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[list] [*]Holyflare - i have already explained this and i don't care to repeat it. [*]Pandain - his play is all over the place and not logical at all. He says dumb stuff and calls people town or scum for dumb reasons that make no sense. [*]Grackaroni - useless and calls people out for dumb stuff. has no direction in his play and about half of his posts are trolling and the other half is bad [*]Sharrant - was exited about the game before the game but is not exited at all when the game starts. his read on me does a full 180 for no reason at all (after i made a case on Holyflare). Hell he does not even agree with the case based on his post but yet i get a townread for (apparently) it, because there is no other reason because i didn't do anything else in that time. [*]supersoft - calls out Pandain but is not really trying to get him lynched. i don't even know why he thinks pandain is scum because he never explains it. Calls Sharrant's post good while in fact it's terribad and refuses to explain why the post was good. Then there is some lurker who is scum, or someone i have nmissed. Koshi is probably town after all. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:45 Koshi wrote: Oh I thought you voted for him but it seems you didnt. Is VA town? I am not sure. There were some towntells in his posts but i really am not sure. I would hope he would give his read on me, you and Pandain and him not doing so is worrisome. | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote: What about him focussing so much on supersoft? I don't know what do you want me to answer? He doesn't really give any sort of read on supersoft. He just doesn't want ss to be mayor and i don't think that's alignement indicative for Vayne regardless of supersoft's alignment. | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:18 Koshi wrote: Well VA hasnt given any reads except that BC & SS shouldnt be mayor. Is he pushing another scum candidate by smearing ss & bc? Like yamato? Or is he concerned that ss and bc are scum? I don't think Vayne would be "pushing" any candidate as scum or as town. | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote: Dont know. But it's not that you 2 have been working together to find scum in recent games. If he wants to be proven town by you he can do it in the thread as well. Of course we havn't been working together because at least one of us has been scum.. duh. | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:36 Koshi wrote: So much dumb... 1) rayn and I would never buss each other. 2) how did I "omgused". I still dont know.what that term exactly means tbh. This is really good Koshi! Soon you will see Grackaroni is in fact scum. :p | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:50 Koshi wrote: I am scared Grack? Are you fucoing kidding me? Why? How? Where? Grack is taking both of our sides in the argument.  He calls me scum for what you have, and he calls you scum for what i did earlier on. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:10 Pandain wrote: Like that I was right about Skanjabs thanks everyone Like you could not possibly know his alignment from his posts. Like yuo said FT is town in Thug Life. Like you do as scum. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not a concern. The other guy knew already. Also mason isn't a "role" in this game, it's a modifier remember? Well i guys hope what you are doing. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:57 thrawn2112 wrote: hey why haven't you said hi to me yet? It's kinda useless and does not help. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:59 thrawn2112 wrote: no I think not.. what's up? Nothing much. Mayor lynched dumb. People don't believe who i tell them is scum. Pretty standard stuff. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I lynched Skan - who is not dumb in the least. It was a good lynch - he didn't give a shit about helping us win. You could have lynched scum instead. That's why i voted for yamato. :/ | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:06 VisceraEyes wrote: You didn't /know/ Skan was town unless you're scum. You're being unreasonable. No VE, it's not the point. The point is you lynched a random lurker and i am not impressed about it. | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:16 Pandain wrote: Rayn do you have town games where you basically stop trying to argue a lynch because I don't consider occasional posts on Holyflare to Yamato to be legitimate especially when he was afk. No, i don't have scumgames like that either. If you are really smart you will know that's because i could not possibly lynch anyone in this game on D1. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote: Generally earlier than this. He's usually got some posts, and some decent posts, on D1 in the games that I have played with him. I don't find it particularly telling about his alignment, except for a nagging thought that maybe it's an indicator of assassinyness. That's an outside shot though, and I don't expect him or others to play assassiny, whatever that actually means (in my head, playing to avoid getting killed by any faction by normal means, sometimes town BH looks very town and gets shot N1, and assassinBH wouldn't really want that although he could say he was protected or whatever). Ugh what's this? Why wouldn't assasins play like town? Like if they get shot during the night just not claim you were shot? Are scum gonna claim they did shoot you or what? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:19 austinmcc wrote: Yes. It's happened a couple times iirc, scum shoots someone who doesn't die, tells urrbody about it. Scum can claim to have been a vigi in a game where the assassins are neutral, or there have been games where scum is mostly screwed and a guy who is outed outs a 3P who can be harmful to town, trying to buy an extra cycle for scum to stay alive and hoping town goes after the 3P. That's not the case here, but there have been enough funky scum/3P interactions that it's a possible consideration. Yes but assasins don't hurt scum and they don't hurt town. Best for them is to not get lynched, which means play like town. If scum shoot them, good luck outing themselves to get assasin killed. If someone is going to say "i shot that guy and he didn't die and didn't claim, he is assasin" i will lynch the claimer because they are scum. Why would you lynch the assasin because they are not scum? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:25 Mocsta wrote: As far as I am concerned. Identifying assassin is only relevant to discern useless town from useless assassin. I would anticpate they play a similar game. Until we get to a point where there are nto enough creditable reads to lynch that BH becomes a priority -- there is no need to discuss assasssin tactics. You are wrong. Assasins want to play like town because they lose if they get lynched and if scum shoots them nothing happens. Therefore useless =/= assasin most likely. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:30 Spaghetticus wrote: I think you should drop the assassin thing too. Unless you're putting infinite effort in and are experiencing a high degree of redundant cognitive action, there is no point in thinking about assassins given just how little influence they have on you finding scum. If there comes a time at which assassins look to have played a real part, then MAYBE it'll be worth considering. Until that point, it's not worth thinking about, let alone talking about. I wasn't the one who said "i have an assasin read on this guy" based on bad assumptions. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:33 austinmcc wrote: He also pokes at how your read on him changes, your scumreads in general, and possibly more. But those two have been mentioned, off the top of my head. I have no idea what's wrong in my scumreads in genaral, because noone has pointed it out. If you don't believe tham fine, keep on lynching townies then. Not my problem if people can't read because nobody even understood my case on HF while it's pretty clear. My read on him is not based on what he says but how he says stuff. He's like.. not happy(?) in this game and town!Koshi is happy. idk what to think of him because at the end of D1 he was showing some of his normal town tells. But anyways i can't read him if he keeps calling me scum for nothing, so i don't even try. Hoep he does something else though as now he's wasting the game on uselessness. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:36 Mocsta wrote: Go fuck yourself Rayn. Obviously you found all the scum since you are hunting assassins. So share.. idk where did you get the idea that i am hunting assasins because if i remember correctly you had an maybe assasin read on BH.. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:14 Holyflare wrote: I do not mind who gets mayor between SS and VE because I feel both of them will listen to what everyone is saying and both have relatively good town reads from me. Not to mention the vest would be on the 2 people I think would be likely targets to be shot tonight. VE has shit targets though so I guess I would prefer him as pardoner. SS doesn't have too great choices but as he just stated he wants to listen to thread sentiment and cases. supersoft and VE are probably the worst people in this game to listen what other people are saying. You fall into same category with Austin. You have zero scumreads. You have nothing than poorly defended yourself against my case. That's pretty bad for a guy who was totally running for mayor and made the best campaign everest. | ||
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I made a case to be mayor but by the days end I did not think I had a solid foundation to be in the slot and thanks to your pushing I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people. So you just wanted the vest? That's why you ran for mayor? That's not what your campaign said. | ||
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On November 18 2013 02:51 Holyflare wrote: LOL I'm not sure how you extrapolated what you just said from what I wrote but that is a perfect example of your confirmation bias. Thank you. WEll tell me what does this mean: "I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people" Be cause what i read is, "My point as mayor wasn't even lynching scum so i didn't care to (1) seriously run for it and (2) didn't try to convince the other candidates of my reads" | ||
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On November 18 2013 02:53 Holyflare wrote: Get off your high horse. Nobody agreed with anything your case said bar 1 point which I fully explained. People saw my reasoning for it but you still can't accept that you may have been wrong. If cases don't come in the resolution period, you can then have a reason to lynch me. It's pretty simple. You are scum so stfu. | ||
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On November 18 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: WEll tell me what does this mean: "I am in no immediate danger of being NK'd and so quite clearly the vest was better placed on 2 towny looking people" Be cause what i read is, "My point as mayor wasn't even lynching scum so i didn't care to (1) seriously run for it and (2) didn't try to convince the other candidates of my reads" This post in itself proves Holyflare is scum. | ||
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1) Holyflare says i called Risen town. I didn't, i explained it. After that Holyflare still says i called Risen town. This means he has either not read my posts (which is unbelieveable because he thought i was scum for it) or he has read my posts and arguing about bullshit. If he had read my posts he should have called me out for making up bullshit but he didn't. Instead he twisted the argument into something i have never said - in any case what Holyflare says i did is not true - he is making shit up for some reason and townies do not make shit up. 2) He made a big ass campaign for running for mayor. He never followed those points he brought up and the campaign was shit in the first place. He never did try to convince anyone someone is scum. He never tried to get anyone lynched. He never tried to convince the other candidates someone was scum. He doesn't even have scumreads it seems because he is not talking about them. 3) His read on me changed for no reason. None of the reasons he called me scum for "went away". The only thing that happened was i made some reads (which he did call bad). 4) That's all he has done this game. | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:09 Koshi wrote: If rayn found scum, everybody knows why that person is scum. This game we dont know why Holyflare is scum in rayns mind even though rayn made posts about how his case is the best and how he doesnt have to repeat why Holyflare is scum. That's because you can't read or are scum. | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:40 Holyflare wrote: Also, a question to rayn. Why if you think I am most definitely scum have you not questioned me on reads of other people? Surely you could be making connection theories, arguments, researching my points on them, doing anything in any shape or form to determine your next move? Why have so much aggression on one person when there are actually 6 scum? In that light, @rayn, what do you think of pandain? He may or may not feature in my cases. Because i have only 1 vote (maybe two given what VE does) during the day. I think i have pretty clearly told what i think of Pandain. Are you again not reading? Do you think i am scum or not? | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:48 StorrZerg wrote: back and starting to catch up reading filter of skan/ve/yamato then catching up on the thread did Pandain claim who he used his power on? i can't seem to find it. Pandain claimed to mason supersoft. | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:50 Risen wrote: Not really, though. More evidence of scum HF. Misrepresents Rayn, could be a mistake. Misrepresents me about a game we just played together, not really in mistake category anymore. That's what actually made my read on him stronger. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:04 Holyflare wrote: Why don't you just entertain me instead of just fucking about!?!? I said I do not care what you said about him earlier I want your read on him RIGHT NOW. You've taken too long though so it's altered anything I wanted to check up on. Why can't you just indulge the fact that someone is trying to gather information in a different way, but instead just call them scum because lul. When you explain to me how can my read possibly change on him when he has not posted after the last time i gave a read on him then you have something to complain. Now you are just asking stupid questions and trying to make me look abad for it lol. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:13 Onegu wrote: Rayn you are being a bit anal retentive of this one buddy, you can give him your read its ok, it wont hurt you. Rayn called pandain scum earlier. What, right after he asked i said "scum"? | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, HF, please stop shitting up the thread. Neither of you are convincing anyone in this fashion and you're not saying anything new. Speaking of nothing new, I still want to lynch Mocsta. Can we do that tomorrow? No Mocsta is most likely town. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What does town mocsta do that scum mocsta doesn't in your experience that makes you say that? I don't know because i have never played with scum!Mocsta but everything he has done town!Mocsta would do. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A scum mocsta is just as out there as this Mocsta has been. The difference is that I don't think a town Mocsta would attack Spaghetti like this without properly reading what he said. He saw an opportunity and went for it rather than actually trying to find scum. I have no idea where Mocsta attacks him so i don't understand what you are trying to say. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:30 Holyflare wrote: Either way, rayn I want to ask you a question in general. In the game of mafia, nobody knows who the scum is so the only thing other townspeople can base reads off of is the content within someones post. Now scum knows people's alignments but what benefit do they bring by misinterpreting someones post? The only thing they are going to get is flak for it, so why should they do it? If people can find reasons for lynching other people just based on their posts then surely scum can do the same thing without the misrepresentation. So, why, do you take this at face value as a scums tactic? You know I read the game, you thought I was town for the longest time in Hogwarts and I did not misconstrue anyone's posts there. Why would I intentionally do it here? Logically I can just follow anyones read and exascerbate it in any way shape or form but I haven't. I picked up on things that I thought meant something else. Because scum dont need to find scum so they do not think about what they read. Which is quite clear you are not doing. | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:00 austinmcc wrote: Who dat is? Also, is this LM? Also, how you feel about his play this game? So you just call him scum and leave yourself an out by saying "if he is newbie he is null"? Which is it? Is he scum or not and why are you not interested in finding out if he is a newbie or not and how he plays? | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:05 austinmcc wrote: Wut? No, I actually don't know if it's LM you're talking about. If it is, how do you feel about his play this game? I don't care whether he's new or not, or is being worn as a skinsuit by someone else. His play this game doesn't make me smiley face regardless of whether he's new or not. Yeah i just realized you were talking from LM's perspective on Storr. Anyways i think he is yown because he masoned yamato at the start of the game. He is a lynchbait and i am not interested in him. | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:09 austinmcc wrote: Yeah, was referring to LM's asking whether storrzerg was new or not, I don't care about LM's newness right now. You say LM is lynchbait. Are you implying that LM is scummy but you think he is town? Or you think LM isn't scummy at all? Do you care at all whether LM has been posting in mason chat? No i do not care about him at all. I don't think he has done anything but that does not make him scum because he did nothing in LXI aswell. I don't care if he has posted in mason chat or not. No. | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:58 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn what are your town tells for Koshi. I see nothing townie in Koshi's filter. Oh and NOW you bring it up? He's happy as town and uses phrases that i find funny. Really, that's how i read Koshi. In this game he is sad and serious. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:03 Pandain wrote: Symbol just playing so well atm You're lying! JJakji just did a 39min viking drop! | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote: who do you think is town and why? I'm really lost. I can question almost all of my townreads and I hate games like this. People i think are town: yamato, Mocsta, Onegu, Coag, LM, Risen and kush. Like who i can really say i actually think are town. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:18 yamato77 wrote: Why do you think Onegu is town? Otherwise, I might actually kind of like this list for people to just not worry about until later. Onegu says exactly what i think. He is so right in everything he says. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:33 yamato77 wrote: I'm actually quite sure Kosh is mafia. Usually he has his own logic, but I fail to understand anything he's posting, and usually when he posts nonsensically, he's scum. Now that's pretty bad comment yamato. Usually when Koshi is scum you have not been reading the thread very well.. In other words, you have been scum and hardcore lurking and trolling. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: can you link to where he said that? Yeah he did that in Noir. I needed to basically force him to post. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:36 Grackaroni wrote: lol. there is absolutely no better case in this thread than mine. Yes there is. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:38 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I explained rayn scumread. The other ones are scum but not my main concern but sure: Yamato: Scum mayor but couldn't care enough to make it. VA: I feel like he is pushing an agenda. StorrZerg: I feel it in my gut. Pretty sure you didn't. Also pretty sure you can't say my reasoning for reads is weak anymore. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:49 Koshi wrote: btw. I haven't commented on this but pretty sure BH his claim is 100% fake. Maybe you should make the case on me before the night ends because if you don't i think you should be lynched if i die. Also noone knows why you think i am scum. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:53 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure I wont die. And if I die people know. That's not what i said. I said you should be lynched in case i die if you do not make the case. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote: Rayn this is why I don't mason you because we never agree on anything anyway. I think there's plenty of things to come out of pushing BH, BC and SS agrees with me that BH is sketchy, why don't you listen to them if not me? Because i do not think they are necessarily town. And i do not think BH's claim makes him anything. I am not saying you are not allowed to call him scum, but you have focused on his claim for like latest 20 posts of yours. It's useless because his claim does not make him anything. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:56 OOHCHILD wrote: woulld scum bh really fake claim tracker? seems unlikely would, but more likely town BH would claim or fakeclaim tracker. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:01 OOHCHILD wrote: I dont doubt bh is capable of fakeclaiming tracker. But I do doubt he would play scum as troll into fake claiming tracker. I think he would out his more try hard game is he was fakeclaiming tracker. Last game he fakeclaimed medic on D2 and said he RNG'd his target on N1 so.... | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:02 Pandain wrote: Woah what is this I wondered what he turned hmmm What's that quote supposed to mean? That game is all about scum fakeclaiming cop... | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:05 Grackaroni wrote: You guys are all fools lol. I write out reasons for Koshi being scum and then you all just continue complaining about trolling and keep discussing a role claim from yesterday. If BH is scum he will show it in his posts. Frankly I liked his breadcrumb yesterday. Yes Koshi did all of those things but until he explains why he thinks i am scum i can't know if he is scum or not because that's all he has done this game, called me scum. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:08 Grackaroni wrote: He did explain why you were scum and he had shitty reasons. That was like 2 days ago. Yeah reasons were shitty but apparently he still thinks i am scum and i wanna know why. | ||
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Because if you are scum the optimal play is to shoot me because i won't get docced either way and you get a free pass from D1 because you start from clean. So please if you are town tell me why do you think i am scum so i can form a read on you so you will not get lynched tomorrow if you are town. If you do not give the read on me before night ends i am willing to believe you are scum. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:11 Pandain wrote: Even ignoring the fake-claim he's scummy. Comes in halfway through, does typical RNG shit, runs for mayor, that's it. Then has a scum read on Grack. ok Well that's better than you have done so far. You call some random people scum for random reasons. I have no idea who your scumreads are besides BH. And his case on Grack is better than yours against him. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:22 Koshi wrote: I am town. You said I was scum. for shitty reasons after I made a case on ss on whom you also had a scumread. I said you were weird. Then you continued to be weird. Why can't you be happy Koshi? I like happy Koshi, it's much better to work with you when you are happy because i can actually trust you to be town. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:43 Pandain wrote: Does anyone have a good read on Mattchew? I think he's town because of the total lack of effort he's putting in to be honest. He does more as scum, I think he's literally not just giving a shit My read on him is a good vigi shot. | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If I were scum and I flipped, everyone would think I was bussing half my team anyway and not care about my filter. That' s the only worry about moc, but i dont believe he has the infamous history to do so? He shot Storr. He leaves himself no choise but to push Grackaroni today. Sounds like a good scum-scum plan? | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:44 Grackaroni wrote: I'm curious how does this flip effect your HF read? Why would it? | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: If people can't understand these simple things then my work is done here and i can quit this game: 1) Holyflare says i called Risen town. I didn't, i explained it. After that Holyflare still says i called Risen town. This means he has either not read my posts (which is unbelieveable because he thought i was scum for it) or he has read my posts and arguing about bullshit. If he had read my posts he should have called me out for making up bullshit but he didn't. Instead he twisted the argument into something i have never said - in any case what Holyflare says i did is not true - he is making shit up for some reason and townies do not make shit up. 2) He made a big ass campaign for running for mayor. He never followed those points he brought up and the campaign was shit in the first place. He never did try to convince anyone someone is scum. He never tried to get anyone lynched. He never tried to convince the other candidates someone was scum. He doesn't even have scumreads it seems because he is not talking about them. 3) His read on me changed for no reason. None of the reasons he called me scum for "went away". The only thing that happened was i made some reads (which he did call bad). 4) That's all he has done this game. | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BH is likely red given the fact 3 trackers would be a bit much. Also given his insane lack of serious contributions this game would put him very likely in the scum camp. as for people mentioned in mocstas Filter. Bc- Defends me when people were suggesting to lynch me. I view this as a scum ploy to buddy up to me but recognize it makes me look bad Grack - was one of his top two scum reads. Venomously attacks him. Only way he can be concievably scum is if grack bussed him for some reason. Reactions from mocsta would only make sense in that case. Still very unlikely given no sane person would bus their own vig. HF - mentions him as a null read Kush - has very friendly interactions with. No real serious comments were involved. Null read at best storrzerg - was his #1 scum read. Doesn't matter as storr flipped town and mocsta claimed the shot before dying. mattchew - Calls mattchew town based on meta from previous games. Lonemeow - defends LM from people and attacks them for potentially driving him out of the game. He had some aggressive conversations with artanis. Attempts to hold conversation with both austin, rayn and spag. I really do not like this post. Where are the conclusions? | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why? He hasn't actively scum hunting, claimed a role that doesn't make sense with two flipped trackers and semi trolled. Nothing has really added up in his favour. We have one flipped scum who went out of his way to ignore him. If not him, who would you recommend as your #1 lynch? I have my vote on Holyflare and posted a case. | ||
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On November 18 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote: Austin Lets play a game read your own filter and tell me what is missing, maybe compare it to a type of food. Im thinking a marshmellow do you agree? All fluff, looks good, but nothing of substance. You give your first scum read on page 6 of your filter. My note go like this for you. Wow very good at attepting to get people involved with questions. Good back and forth with people. Very detailed thought process. Very active. Wait there are no scum reads. Only gives town reads. Doesnt call anyone scum. Only scumread a lurker and "Rayn could be scum, but I have had him more scummy in his other town games" This is a perfect summarization of austin in this game. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote: Running behind schedule, works a bitch today and Im only up to p124. Things I want to say before deadline. (1) Artanis: You are tunneled. Your issues with me are because I do not play the game the same way you choose to. That is not an indicator of scum. Everyone that has played with me many times realises this is how I play town. Further, all your reads on other players hinge upon their thought process on me. You should know association reads are terribad. You are obsessed beyond reason. Unfortunately, the way you walk people through your mindset makes me lean town. You need to drop this; or if you can't, fine -- Accept there are other players in the game that *must* be scum and look there. (2) Spag: You need to sleep more. Your argument agianst me is that I played 3-4 games with you and should know you best, hence, should understand how you play as town/scum. Yet, neither of us call recall the specific details of these games. Fact: I have an opinion on my expectations for your play; however, I don't think for one second this is gospel. Its been 10-11months since we played together and this is your first game back. If you want to know what I remember from the game we played together: Kush and his buddy got modkilled 1/2way through Day1 and I was left by myself in my first scum game ever. You came in as a replacement and hammed up your play style intentionally. Every decision was premeditated. Thus, I questioned your actions with VE. My qualms were specifically as I had outlined. No more no less. (3) Grack: Is still scum. Im pretty disappointed my gracktease got shut down yesterday - however, I suppose it needs the support of the case to be more convincing to all. I am not expecting to die, but on the off-chance something did happen. Please read his filter this game, and compare to Hogwarts. I find the play worlds apart. In Hogwarts Grack was useless and not confident in his assessments. Here, Grack is still useless but his delurks are opportunistic and he is constantly jutting in with opinions but no justifications/evolutions. (4) Storrzerg: I only had 1 bullet so may as well claim. I vigg'd him. You can thank me Day2. I'm under the pump already at work, so will prob unveil the Grack case tonight (say 12hrs from now) This is what Mocsta had to say. He shot Storrzerg ho he can't push his lynch on D2. Where does it leave him. At Grackaroni. Grackaroni is the only person he finds suspicious. What does Mocsta need to do on D2? He literally can't do anything else than to tunnel Grackaroni who is found suspicious by about half of the thread. Looks like a buss? No fucking way in hell. That's so very incredibly stupid scumplay it cannot be true. There is about 20 other players which from ~10 don't look too dandy and Mocsta chooses his scumbuddy (who is unders suspicion anyways) to be his tunneltarget on D2. Fuck you, Grackaroni has to be town and this post of Mocsta proves it. Now what does BloodyCobbler do when D2 starts. Acts confused as fuck. Right, did some poor vigilante break your scumplans in lynching Grackaroni. No worries. Let's go through Mocsta's filter. Then BC makes a terribad post about how Moscta interacted with other players and ends in no conclusions. Cool, he promises conclusions later. When he gets to them, the conclusion he makes is that everyone else Mocsta ever talked about is town and Grackaroni is scum! This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard because from the people Mocsta talked about Grackaroni is least likely to be scum. Now what does Blazinghand do when D2 starts. He attacks Grackaroni. On November 18 2013 16:32 Blazinghand wrote: I think so. in a moc/grack/foo scumteam, grack is a weak link. Moc wants to live for multiple days and get his shots off, so it's a reasonable bus. It also ties in with grack's playstyle, the troll-serious-troll thing. Moc can back off his bus if he needs to, saying "oh that was grack trolling" or something, or he can ramp up the pressure if he thinks a grack lynch is coming, and he wants credit. Both are reasonable. It's a pretty flexible bus and it makes sense with the moc role. This post is so terribad i don't even know what to say. Look at what i said about Grackaroni <-> Mocsta before and then read this post. Which makes more sense? Right. Mocsta can't possibly back up from his accusations against Grack because that's not what he does. There is no fucking way Mocsta decided to buss Grack "because he had a better role" when he can instead attack one of the 10 townies in therad who are playing like shit. Bullshit BH, bullshit. On top of that yamato wanted Blazinghand dead. yamato wanted BloodyCobbler dead. yamato wanted no other people dead, besides being suspicious of VE who looks terribad aswell. That's enough evidence. Scum's plans went to shit and they dunno what to do when their "D2 mislynch Grackaroni" plan went down the toilet. Therefore they are FROZEN! Blazinghand and Cobbler are scum. ##Unvote: Vote: Blazinghand P.S. Holyflare is still scum but killing BH is far funnier. | ||
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On November 18 2013 21:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Do you believe that scum is really putting all their cards on lynching Grackaroni that they're all coming out of the woodworks and oging all in on it? It seems like such a bad idea that I find it hard to see a team with BC in it act that clueless. I have no idea but what BH and BC are doing is so riduculous it can't be town-. | ||
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What would town Blazinghand do? He would love to tear that sort of arguments down because that is so ridiculously bad. Let's look at those claims in comparsion to this one. Survivor claim in Golden sun: Yes the claim was bad but it was reasonable. Blazinghand even got mad after the game when there was actually a survivor who scum shot on N1 (that kinda outed him). Cop claim in I'M A COP YOU IDIOT: LOOK AT THE FUCKING GAME NAME AND YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THE ARGUMENT IS. The point of the game is for scum to fakeclaim cop, yet Pandain says "see BH has fakeclaimed before" roflllllllll... The only reasonable fakeclaim Pandain could bring up is BH's doc claim in Hogwarts, yet he doesn't. If Blazinghand was town he would love to tear Pandain's argument apart because it was so fucking bad! Because THIS is JUST what Blazinghand LOVES in mafia games! Instead he just does not say anything about it. lol, BH so so very scum! Lynch with fire. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:03 OOHCHILD wrote: rayne the problem with you is i have to read your whole filter to get the case on BH, because you spread it out one piece at a time. I wish you could consolidate your case into 1 post, can use quotes of your other posts if you want. Because I know there are good points against BH you brought up, but your most recent one is pure wifom and pretty terrible. No you just need to read 5 of my last posts. Or then you should consider reading the thread.. Also Pandain is probably scum because the claim-case on BH was so terrible. Pandain loves to make terrible cases against his scumbuddies (as he can backpedal from them easily). He made a shit case on me in Noir and right after posted in scum QT "lol rayn i couldn't make a decent case on you, you are playing well". | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:17 Koshi wrote: You think VE is scum? I dunno and i don't care atm because there are at least 3 better targets but i don't think he is town. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: So to break down your scumreads in the last 2 pages rayn, its BC BH VE Pandain I think you might have 1 or 2 wrong. Maybe, but i am sure it's not BH what's wrong. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, I remember you voicing suspicions on supersoft and austin in the past. Do you still have those? That was mainly because of their lack of scumreads as i stated. I need to see what they do now when we actually have a lynch where everyone participates. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:23 Koshi wrote: The thing I don't like about BC being scum for pushing Grack as scum agenda is that it is unlikely he is so silly to do it after thread sentiment is going in favor of Grack vs BH/Mocsta. Would be too easy that both BH and BC are scum. Kinda would prefer it if Grack is scum. Also, the things BC said make sense if they are correct. Koshi this is really bad. Of course everything one says makes sense if they are correct. What the hell is this? | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: we dont know that. RBs give no notification. Can you say something that has to do with who do you want to lynch. Are you defending BH or what? | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote: This was right before supersoft might have been mayor. Pretty sure supersoft confirmed town or he knew VE was around to kill Skanjab. So let's say supersoft close to confirmed town. That's where i am atm too. I still want him to contribute because he's supposed to be a good analyst like everyone praised him on D1. What he has done since D1 is fucking awful. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't think Marv would put BH at the head of a scumteam due to his tendency to troll. Now that's WIFOM, i do not think BH "must be town because scumteam balance". | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, forget I ever said any of this because it's an invitation to discuss stuff unrelated to scumhunting and gives scum a chance to blend in. Any opinions on Thrawn? thrawn is pretty much town from our mason chat. Trust me, thrawn is like confirmed town if BH flips scum. I'll elaborate more on that after the lynch in any case. | ||
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On April 11 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote: yeah oats is completely right here. 3 mafia were dead by the middle of day 3. not even because the mafia themselves individually played badly or anything, but none of them have any thread impact to control things. Despite mistakes from townies like me and Palmar (wos/sci early, ace/oats) it didn't even matter one bit because there were lots of other townies with good ideas. This game shows precisely why teams need to be balanced, not the opposite, DP. After Ego Mini mafia. Discussion closed. Now find scum supersoft and stop talking about shit. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:12 supersoft wrote: Are you insane? How are you talking to me? Do you still think Oatsmaster is the best lynch or where are you at the moment? I see you talking a lot about irrelevant stuff. BH/BC being scum/town has nothing to do with scumteam balance and talking about it at this point of the game is irrelevant regardless of if marv balances teams or not. I suggest you talk about something relevant to todays lynch, please. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:18 Koshi wrote: rayn are you aware your push against BH/BC/VE is somehing that was occasionally mentioned by Grack? I dunno what do you want me to answer? Elaborate please? | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:28 Koshi wrote: LIES! Or framed. Or miller. Quite an interesting answer given there are no parity cops in this game. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Are you going anywhere with this Rayn? I thought of the same answers when I read your post initially, even though I was aware there were no cops in the setup. Koshi is probably town. If he was scum he would know there are no cops, framers & millers and would have given "lol there are no cops" answer most likely. I am just puzzled why he seems to be implying Grackaroni is scum because that's really bad assumption. I can't figure out why Mocsta would bus the "most likely to be lynched scum on D2" in the game when he has many other options. That's like really dumb and i don't think that was the strategy of the scumteam. It's so surreal i don't even know how anyone in this game could think so. | ||
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- Push this weak townie - Push this weak townie - Push this weak townie - Push this strong townie who looks bad - Bus Grackaroni because i have a better role than he does "I choose bus Grackaroni of those options on N1". WTF GUYS? Does anyone in this game have an idea what to do and what to not do as scum? I doubt... | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think that's a reliable method you used because I had just read the OP a bit before you asked it and my gut reaction would've been similar to Koshi's. The human mind responds irrationally to threatening situations, and I wouldn't find it hard to imagine him responding the same way as scum. I don't think Koshi actually thinks Grack is scum right now, just that a Grack scumteam would include you, unless I'm miscontruing his post. Yeah because you are town. Scum tend to be careful about their answers, especailly Koshi. I know this for a fact. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi doesn't strike me as a careful poster. Do you remember a scumgame of his where you felt this was the case? Yes i do. GoT. There he got accused by Dandel and some other people. He came to scum QT saying "fuuuucckkk.. i dunno what to do i go inactive shit i can't say anything at all". | ||
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If Koshi was scum he would know i am town. He would also be aware there are no cops, framers or millers because his scumteam has no framers 100%. I ask him a weird question. He also knows me pretty well. He would therefore know there is something i am trying to achieve with my question. What is rayn after? What's he trying to accoplish with this? What the fuck do i need to answer. Therefore - as scum - he would most likely give an answer that can't go wrong with, which would be "lol rayn there are not cops in this game". | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote: Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred? Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town. I think Mocsta was trying to gather towncred from people who actually thought he was scum, like supersoft. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm pretty sure since Mocsta's been setting himself up for that shot quite some time. If he didn't claim it'd look strange. That said, I do see a few things that give me a bit more of a town read on BC, such as his immense anger at SZ and how he starts analyzing Mocsta. His reply towards StorrZerg doesn't suggest that he knows that Storr will die soon. The bit where he still accuses Grack has me clueless though. I can't put a town or scum mindset on that action, just a wtf one. I don't think that came up as townie at all. It was more like "oh wtf, i guess i need to come up with something from Mocsta now". And then it was some half-arsed bullcrap. Like if you look at the conclusions they are so really weak and don't say anything at all besides "Grack is scum" rofl. | ||
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On November 19 2013 00:18 Koshi wrote: I am totally with you to lynch BH. 100% I can totally tell you i have a rocksolid case on BC when BH flips red. 100% | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: So to review: LoneMeow - mason Skanjab1s - mason My Mason - mason HIS Mason - mason Pandain - mason VE, time to speak. Who masoned you and who is the other mason who masoned them? Because thrawn is a mason too so there are a shitton of masons now. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that. Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"? Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why are you attempting to blue hunt rayn? Because masons in this game do not mean shit as there are like 10 of them apparently. Why are you so scared? I am about to out maybe 3 scum based on what VE says. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Isnt BC calling Grack town? Afaik he is not. | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._. Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack. Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta? | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze. Well this is maybe the worst case i have ever heard. Sorry. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: What BC? Can you guess what reasons the people have for not outing masons? Why is outing masons good for scum and bad for town? Yeah this is looking worse and worse for BC. Basically BC should be calling thrawn, Pandain and Lonemeow scum because they have outed masons in thread for no reason. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Explain how it outs mafia please. Id agree that sure there are likely scum within the masons however we have what? 7 or 8 at this point running around/confirmed by death? How can you confirm that with 2 more names to the pool you have guarenteed mafia? If VE gives me a certain name there is a pool of 3 people where there is 2 scum guaranteed. Of course this is not certain as i can't know what name he gives me but given what has been going on in this game i am pretty sure he will give just that name. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked Thrawn answer this post immediately. You are not allowed to call Grack scum until you debunk this argument. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote: are these names magic? This is a normal game, how can you guarantee scum based on setup? Rayne this is ludicrous and needs to stop. No i know people are lying in case the certain name pops up. It's 100% guaranteed. | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:01 thrawn2112 wrote: because he's not a tracker so everything he says regarding his tracker actions are bs /facepalm HE SAYS HE WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. IN THE SAME POST HE RETRACTS FROM HIS TRACKER CLAIM? srsly you can't read or are you scum? | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:06 OOHCHILD wrote: bc is making sense to me. Mocsta treated grack differently than he treated anyone else which is indicative of a scum connection. If you think that makes Grackaroni scum you have absolutely no idea how to scumhunt. | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:15 Koshi wrote: If BH flips green and his dieing wish is that we lynch Grack. Will you do allow it rayn? Then i will reconsider. But i can tell you BH is not going to flip green. There is no fucking way that's gonna happen. | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:21 thrawn2112 wrote: i asked him if he was really tracker because i didn't buy it. he said no he's not, and that he probably wasn't going to reveal this to the thread, but he only claimed tracker because he was going to be busy and didn't want to be lynched do you really think that scum bh would just tell me that thrawn what you did tell me in our mason QT fits exactly to scum!Blazinghand. | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:26 Alakaslam wrote: Dude ILL ANSWER you misconstruing fish. I'm VT and I expect notification if I'm roleblocked until you bring up this so solid bull case. BH just as likely to be setup unawares. Dude you been spamming and pushing what I see as a mislynch and not listening to people according to them (I don't have your mason qt's) Not liking it at all had you solid town now I vote you. And i am telling you you have not read OP which says roleblocks are not notified. | ||
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Grackaroni is scum because he accused a mafia of being mafia on D1 and the mafioso got mad at him. That can't be nothing but a bus, obviously. That said mafioso set himself up into a situation where he can't do anything on D2 but to bus Grackaroni because he has no other scumreads. And that said mafioso's meta suggests that he does not want to talk about his scumbuddies at all because he is uncomfortable about doing so. Then Blazinghand is town because he makes a really good case (see above paragraph) on Grackaroni and has not done anything else in this game besides fakeclaiming left and right. Then he scumslipped in thread by saying he knew he was not roleblocked. He actually scumsilpped in same manner in last game where he claimed doctor and claimed he protected Sno_man two nights in a row while having said he can't protect same person two nights in a row earlier. But obviously all this can be explained because Blazinghand did not read the OP, that is definitely the only possible explanation. And Blazinghand has to be town because of it, also remember the case on Grackaroni. This seems like a good case of Grack being scum and BH being town, doesn't it? | ||
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On November 19 2013 02:47 Alakaslam wrote: Raynepelikoneet also pinned Koshi town for the same thing he pins BH scum. This is not true Slam. I'll explain it to you: I have my own ways of reading Koshi. My case against Blazinghand: 1) He hasn't done shit besides fakeclaiming and making a case on Grack. The case on Grack is shit as i have explained. 2) Him retracting from his claim makes no sense. Here are the possibilities and the outcomes:
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On November 19 2013 02:49 Mig wrote: This is kind of a random thought I had reading through but right now I would guess pandain is town. With BH's fake claim this seems like the perfect time for mafia to hammer him either as a bus since they dont lose kp and he must look like a retard to them or to mislynch a townie while facing no real consequences. The fact that pandain pushed hard for BH then backtracked on it instead of piling on with everyone else seems more like a townie mindset to me. This is not necessarily true if Blazinghand is going to do what i think he is. Wait for more, this is gonna be an interesting phase when BH comes here. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: This entire dayish roughly. IE the main people posting. Opinions on Rayne, pandain, thrawn, hopelessness Realistically I know you have your notes but it would be nice to see you being active rather than popping out randomly to say things and vanish. I honestly do think the reactions to grack and artanis are worlds apart. But then again thats my opinion. Keep in mind this is purely off a filter. Can you say honestly if you ignore mocstas entire filter/ignore he flipped red then look at grack the guy looks good? Nothing he has done this game aside from attack mocsta looks decent at all IMO. Seriously. Any thoughts on anything would be nice about whats gone on in the last say 10-20 pages. How can you ask people to ignore Mocsta's filter and look into Grack when your whole case on Grack is based on how Mocsta talked to him. WTF MAN? | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: for day 2 yes? Did I not make a case on him day 1 that didn't operate on that ? Has he done anything TO FUCKING CHANGE THAT. NO HE HASN'T. Seriously, just seriously. Do you even fucking read? It's because your meta-analysis in your mind should in my opinion make Grackaroni town and not scum. Because if Mocsta lived over the night he has absolutely no other possibility than to call Grackaroni scum. And you said he hates to talk about his scumbuddies. You are saying the opposite compared to your meta-analysis. When i proved this you are now asking us to ignore Mocsta's filter (why? because at first it was the SOLE REASON you called Grack scum for). This does not make any sense to me. Your read and case on Grackaroni changes from one thing to another when your original case is proven wrong. | ||
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Grack - was one of his top two scum reads. Venomously attacks him. Only way he can be concievably scum is if grack bussed him for some reason. Reactions from mocsta would only make sense in that case. Still very unlikely given no sane person would bus their own vig. Like you go from this to "Grack definitely bussed Mocsta and vice versa while Mocsta's meta says the opposite". | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: So to review: LoneMeow - mason Skanjab1s - mason My Mason - mason HIS Mason - mason Pandain - mason I ask VE why he did out his mason to another mason. He answers this: On November 17 2013 10:57 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not a concern. The other guy knew already. Also mason isn't a "role" in this game, it's a modifier remember? If there are no other masons than what VE lists here here is the deal. thrawn has masoned BH on N1. Therefore BH is mason too and masoned VE. Now how does this make VE or thrawn scum? I asked thrawn to paraphrase his mason log with BH. He did not tell anything about BH masoning VE, yet VE in this post implies they all three know each other. Someone is lying. Also when i figured this might be the case, i told to thrawn in our mason chat that "dude, if BH is mason i can tell you one of you/VE is scum and tbh you look fucking terrible". After that thrawn went really defensive and started saying BH is town and that i should go read Grackaroni. I told him to calm down because if he is not lying there is nothing to worry about. He just has continued this Grack tunnel and keeps telling me BH is town. Fishy much? If BH is mason who has masoned VE on D1/N1 one of VE/thrawn is scum and i bet it's thrawn based on his behavior after this all. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The problem is that you're operating from a presumption that these are all the masons there are in the game. What if there are more? I am saying if BH is a mason who masoned VE on D1/N1 BH and thrawn are 100% scum because thay are bullshitting. If BH was not the mason who masoned VE then this scenario is invalid, but it does not make BH town. | ||
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If VE comes in and says BH is the mason who masoned him i can tell you i am 100% certain in what i am saying. There is more evidence which i am not willing to reveal yet in case of something that i have not taken into account happnening. You're looking really good because you seem to be a dude who actually looks this stuff objectively. Lead the town with me and Artanis okay? ^_^ Also what do you think of supersoft? He waffled on some bullshit balancecrap earlier on today, then said he'll look into BH and disappeared. | ||
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Artanis: Holyflare is really contributive and can appear as town as scum too. He did really good job in Hogwarts as looking like town before he made a bad claim and syllogism caught him for it. Even then he survived for some phases because his posting was really good. He is a good scumplayer i think and "tone" and "i think he would not say this as scum" reasons do not make him town. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote: HF being afk gives me pause, but I'm one to talk about inactivty, right? Your case isnt the greatest on him rayne. My read hasnt really changed, I have HF as town right now. Super is town atm. For stupid reasons that will get me laughed at. Everyone is yelling that he's too mean, and all of a sudden his posts are full of smilies and shit. I read his Oats case and was like wtf is he drunk? Yes i laugh at this post but i kinda think you are town for it (and other reasons) based on WC2  | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I do not see anything that explicitly makes him scum though. I've read your original case and I don't think it's strong enough when looking at the overall picture. His read on you and Mocsta mirrored mine too much for me to consider him anything than a town read right now. If he's scum, there's plenty of days worth of material still to come. I made a new case on him on D2 start where i tired to explain myself better. Well it's not important atm, as we are not gonna lynch him either way i think but i suggest you read that one too. | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: If people can't understand these simple things then my work is done here and i can quit this game: 1) Holyflare says i called Risen town. I didn't, i explained it. After that Holyflare still says i called Risen town. This means he has either not read my posts (which is unbelieveable because he thought i was scum for it) or he has read my posts and arguing about bullshit. If he had read my posts he should have called me out for making up bullshit but he didn't. Instead he twisted the argument into something i have never said - in any case what Holyflare says i did is not true - he is making shit up for some reason and townies do not make shit up. 2) He made a big ass campaign for running for mayor. He never followed those points he brought up and the campaign was shit in the first place. He never did try to convince anyone someone is scum. He never tried to get anyone lynched. He never tried to convince the other candidates someone was scum. He doesn't even have scumreads it seems because he is not talking about them. 3) His read on me changed for no reason. None of the reasons he called me scum for "went away". The only thing that happened was i made some reads (which he did call bad). 4) That's all he has done this game. | ||
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I did not call Risen town. I explained my though process when Oats questioned it. Holyflare STILL said something else. He can't possibly say something else unless (1) he has not read my posts or (2) is making shit up. (1) Why would you not read your scumreads posts on something you call him scum for? (2) obvscum | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am planning on getting a read on him after D1. Artanis you yourself questioned me about it. Here. AFTER this HF STILL says i called Risen town. Why? Did you think after this i did initially call Risen town? | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1) If HF is as good as you say he is, I doubt intentionally misrepresenting your case after you've clarified it is something a scum HF would do. It seems more like the arguing of a frustrated HF trying to explain what went down and missing some of the details, which I'd consider more town than scum. I don't think he intentionally messed this up regardless of his alignment. 2) I was planning on making a big campaign too, but he realized it was pointless when some veterans started throwing their weight around. He got engaged in the thread. He tried to convince people you were scum, and has attacked BC, Mattchew, Hopeless, and Grack in his filter. Perhaps he hasn't pushed them as strongly as you would've liked, but there are plenty of people who haven't tried convincing others. 3) My read changed at similar times as his did. I had the same reasons, but they dissipated as I saw the change in your quality of posting. In fact, how he changed his read on you makes me feel more townie on him than before. 1) I explained this... Bleh..  2) The point is he does not follow any points in his campaign. All he does is to argue with me while saying he ignores me. 3) This is actually a legit point many people have said is true if you read the original case. Hell even Holyflare says this is tru lol. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I want to see what HF does when he isn't the center of attention. If he goes afk I'm willing to reconsider my read on him. If he doesn't, there'll be new material to consider. Can we put him on the backburner for now? Agreed. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This does not correspond with considering him a good player, or you presume that he doesn't think you're a good player. It seems suicidal for scum to do something like this. I still want to say this. I consider myself quite decent as scum. If i find the thread sentiment in agreeing with me when i spew out bullshit (look at Catch 22, i made a mistake in trusting Coag to change his read on me when everyone else had a townread on me) i can just make up shit and get away with it and there is nothing one can do if they are the only one who knows the truth. Like, if you know only your accuser knows the truth and noone else does not, unless they are a vigilante who shoots you in the face you can get away with any shit you say. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:01 supersoft wrote: A bunch of stuff? Like what? I wanted to kill mocsta and i was one vote away from doing it/10minutes away from doing it. and rayn, please stop dump nonesense in this thread. It's extremely annoying. You provide nothing. All you do is demanding masons to claim and creating wild theories about trollBH. How is your BH filter dive going? | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Presumably those on the replacement list are aware of their replacement status and are following along. But I see your point. I just need time then. I hope you are able to catch up. If you do this as scum you are a cheap fucker. Dick move analysis says VE is town. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:17 supersoft wrote: Yes. An Oatslynch is still on the table. I am going to dig through his former games and I am going to reread BH and dig through his former games. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote: So BH is a mason too? SO MANY MASONS!!! No he's probably not. I assumed he might be. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:40 Pandain wrote: Rayn SS was basically mayor since VE was afk, and he wanted to lynch Mocsta. That's pretty evident enough. He also has done analysis, his mason with me was very good and he gave thoughts on lots of people. Stop harassing him So where are both of your scumreads? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are wrong. Assasins want to play like town because they lose if they get lynched and if scum shoots them nothing happens. Therefore useless =/= assasin most likely. Town likes this kind of assassins. BH is not this kind of assassin. Therefore he dies. | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:51 Koshi wrote: Well, seems like he played a bit too scummy and got lynched. ahahah | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:45 Risen wrote: I didn't say he's not the lynch, I'm saying this is really easy and people need to take a step back. Nothing is too easy for Blazinghand. One time he claimed SQUM. One time he claimed non-consecutive medic who got mod's permission to actually be consecutive instead. | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: Oats 100% town. I'm being completely serious. Yeah so is VE. But this is kinda funny. Watch or tell them to stop? | ||
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On November 19 2013 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote: omg I'm dying. So funny. Ehhhh...So what do you guys think about Pandain? BE HONEST NOW!! I kinda think he is scum. But i am not sure any more because i was pretty much focused on BH and BC today who are both more scum. | ||
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Oats knew Skanjabs was town before lynch? How? Oats accuses of VE being assassin? So? | ||
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On November 19 2013 22:20 Holyflare wrote: Not only has BH been afk for almost the entirety of day 1 but the only read he has is grack. He admits he has no time and has a new job and so cannot invest any good time into getting a read. His reads are therefore worthless. Why on earth did he even sign up? God only knows. This is a better case than your cases on any people you just said in your big post. Why are you not convincing us to lynch one of your scumreads if you have better cases on them? Also what's your read on Austin? | ||
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On November 19 2013 23:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: HF is town. So is Oats. And you know this how? | ||
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On November 19 2013 23:59 OOHCHILD wrote: acutally HF so far I read your oats case and it kind of convinced me The problem is Oats is town. | ||
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On November 20 2013 00:01 OOHCHILD wrote: why rayn? Because he hasn't done anything scummy. | ||
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Guess who had the same kinda D1? Holyflare. But Oats actually said who he wanted to lynch, Holyflare just picked his null reads from his filter, one of which happened to be Mocsta. Oats always gives that kinda reads, so it does not make him scum. | ||
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I think i'm going to go hardcore for mayor in a bit and mocsta/rayn would be my choices of lynch because I don't want to do what VE is doing and lynch into lurkers Does Holyflare's posts in D1 suggest he was doing this? | ||
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On November 20 2013 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah because I didnt agree with their TOWN READS. Come on HF. Well this is why me and Risen have been calling Holyflare twisting people's arguments into fitting his agenda. He's not even trying to figure out why people say what they do. | ||
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He had strong meta-reasons (which he never explains) to think they were scum, suddenly he has three completely different scumreads. Why? Because Blazinghand is going to get lynched and scum can give out any scumreads they want. He doesn't seem to be thinking BH is scum, because he voted for Oats, and then for BC. He does not try to convince people into lynching in who he thinks is scum. "Blazinghand can die but i don't actually think he is scum so i put my vote on somewhere and i don't even care on which one of those three people". Of course he doesn't fucking care because they are not gonna get lynched. He's not doing anything to lynch scum, again. | ||
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On November 20 2013 01:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I presume you believe BH to not be scum then? If BH is and HF is too, he'd want to actually put in effort to steer away the conversation from him. If HF is but BH isn't, then why would he even bother trying to sway the lynch when he can just do nothing and watch as town lynches a nonscum? BH's alignment has nothing to do with this. Anyone who comes in thread now and says "lol just lynch BH kthxbye" should be looked into N2 and later on because if BH is scum everyone voting for him now is not a reason to not play and find other scum. Holyflare seems to be believing BH is town, at least that's what i get from his posts. Is he trying to save BH? Why not, if he thinks he is town? Like if you compare his behavior to thrawn's there is a significant difference. HF just drops his vote on Oats, when asked (why Oats over BC) he says "lol i can vote for BC too" and switches his vote. Does this look like he gives a shit about anything? And because he does not clearly give shit about anything (he knows BH gets lynched no matter what - and does not even try to push any other lynch while thinking BH is not scum) he can give out any reads he wants. If i was scum and knew player X would never get lynched by my effort i could make 1000 cases on X if they were just not good enough to get X lynched. That's what i see HF doing, he is not trying to get anyone lynched. It's just what he did in Hogwarts, bussed to some extent so he was "right" but never really voiced his opinion so that it mattered. | ||
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On November 20 2013 01:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF could've come into the thread, placed his vote on BH, make some read someone else already made and left again and be totally fine. Instead he put himself out there with three cases and has started an effort to get someone else lynched. I look at those actions and see it as a townie thing rather than a scum thing. Perhaps he intended to become mayor but saw that it was hopeless. Perhaps he still has scumreads on mattchew and hopeless but considers the cases less strong than the ones he has. Your accusations are flimsy at best. The problem is the cases do not make sense. He has apparently dropped his top 3 scumreads (me/Mattchew/Hopeless) and has three new top 3 scumreads. Why? Where is the thought process on those? I see none from his mason chat, i see none from his thread posts. He just "read some filters". | ||
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I still stand behind my words that your cases on Hopeless and Oats are crap. I know the Hopeless stuff for a fact and everyone who played with us in WC2 can back up that statement so if you wanna call him scum i suggest you change your reasoning. I would like you to explain your read on Oats and how does that make him scum. Why are you not looking into Oats' meta as you seem to be loving to do meta-cases? | ||
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Pandain: I don't like this post at all: (#1289) Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. (#1438) Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. (#1713) Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? (#1718) Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? (#3326) This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Well oats was because I didn't even look into him until I got back. I saw someone mention his name and was like "I don't think oats as done as much" so I looked into him and found it really bad. All null reads, no pushing, asking people for reads. The only other game I had to go by was WHC in which he was completely different and so I based it off of that. I'll be happy to reconsider based off of other games where he is equally as useless though. Useless isn't something I like as a meta though...... I prefered SS because his antagonistic style was townish based on what I've read of other games, the fact he couldn't decide on a read was fine for me as it meant we could all discuss it as a town. It was much better than what happened with the VE incident after all. I also admit I've not read into VE since then which is probably an oversight for me. Look Holyflare. I can accept that there might be a possibility that i am wrong on you and you are in fact town. But you have not done very good job so far if that's the case. Could you give your opinions on what i said on Pandain, your opinion on Austin (because while you included the mason chat you didn't say anything about what do you think of him), and your opinion on supersoft now? I liked one of your points on BC, the fact that he starts Grack filter from other game from page 3. That's what i would expect more from you if you are town because that was really good imo and so far i think that is DEFINITELY your best contribution towards finding scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:47 Holyflare wrote: Also, rayn, a point on your pandain case that I would like to explore some more is in fact austin. We can do that whenever you want though as you've just posted about Pandain. Yeah i am just starting to filter dive Austin. That's my next step. I will filter him and see if it makes sense in comparsion to what he talks with you in mason chat. I already know his filter is full of shit but i wanna do the cross-investigation. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I might actually want to lynch mattchew the most right now. All I need for that is his longest post. Standard scum tactic: Put one scum and one town in the same sentence to make them look townier. Standard scum tactic: Distance yourself from the faulty read of your scumbuddy Standard scum tactic: Give an excuse for why your scumbuddy is wrong that doesn't involve calling him scum Furthermore, Mattchew was masoned with Storr in Hogwarts and should therefore be familiar with his play. He's been utterly useless this game and I'd like to see him hang if we can't come to a consensus on BC. I would totally support a vig shot on Mattchew. He is definitely the best vigi target (i hope Stutters gets replaced or modkilled). | ||
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Questions rayn, Risen, Sharrant Doesn't like Risen's answer regarding rayn townread on hiro, VE calls out onegu Does not seem to think me/HF thing is alignment indicative for either of us, at least in scummy way http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=62#1235 Again implies so in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275¤tpage=63#1259 Seems to be thinking Onegu is scum wishywashy read on BC Doesn't even remember 100% it was me who HF was fighting with The only read i see even close to a scumread here is Onegu. yamato was the only mayor candidate who was willing to kill Onegu, yet austin does not even consider voting for him and never asks yamato about Onegu. Cheesecake is scumy, for what? based on when he was here? rofl rayn is scummy for "what other people have said". but he didn't even remember my posts earlier? doesn't seem legit. does not know what to make of Pandain, says meta from Tugh life is different. I think that's wrong. He likes Koshi's points on rayn and rayn might be scum but he does not find rayn scummy in this game. (what's this??) Everything else in his filter is fluff or random questions that seem to be leading him nowhere. Austin - Holyflare mason chat: thinks yamato is town (why does he not consider voting him for mayor then?) rayn looks scummy because picked "easy targets". bullshit austin. scumreads on Cheesecake and rayn supersoft looks mega-townie (why?) VE does scummy thing which is not scummy because VE looks townie (what?) On N1 tells HF to filter Spag (flipped town), artanis (why, he is towniest guy in thread) and Pandain (reasonable). Why not his scumreads like rayn and Cheesecake? At the end of N1 apparetly rayn is no more suspicious because his targets now are BC, Cheesecake and LM. So both austin and Holyflare have rayn as scumread but austin does not want to talk about rayn and tells Holyflare to avoid rayn. Yes austin, you are making a fuckton of sense you scummy motherfucker ^_^ TLDR: Austin is scummy as fuck and the only concern here is why Holyflare does not see this? | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, if austin is scum HF is 100% town because they could never fake that whole log. Agreed? That log looks like scum - scum to me to be honest. lol it's so ridiculous. | ||
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"This would make VE scum but he is townie so it does not" , and "rayn is probably scum but i advice you to avoid him on D2". WTFFF??? | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:42 Holyflare wrote: I only posted the mason log because I had concerns lol. Even if I didn't write them down (I told him I thought he was suspicious) I haven't actually checked his posts today though because I thought there were scummier aspects coming from the mocsta affair. Now that I look at it, his mocsta dismissal was very odd, I had to ask him twice to get an actual read out of him. He also has not been here to push any "information" that he gathered from his question asking. Your pandain case is pretty damning and I'm glad to see hopeless has put some effort into it as well. Will elaborate after dinner. Could you show where this is because it definitely does not feel like from the mason log. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, HF, this argument isn't helping right now. It's not going to be resolved within 5 hours. The only two players who aren't BH who could possibly get lynched right now are Pandain and The Cobbler. Can we talk about them instead? We are lynching BH and noone else so we can talk about anything we want. | ||
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This is how it goes: "what do you think about this?" "bla bla bla" "okay" "what do you think about this?" "bla bla bla" "okay" ...repeat.. They are not trying to find out anything about each other. It's just a Q&A and no answers are questioned, never. Now this is perfectly fine if they are really strong townreads for each other but apparently this is not true because Holyflare says the opposite (which btw does not show anywhere). That log is most likely bullshit. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:56 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn how sure are you that Koshi is town? Very sure. Like 99% sure. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... This is really weird post because if i was supersoft i would have posted this instead: "VE lynch Mocsta i think he is scum and the best lynch! [add some reasons from his filter here quickly because ss said he read it]" | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:10 Grackaroni wrote: Lol Rayn. SS cannot possibly be scum unless he is with VE and you said VE is def town. Why is this? | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote: Because he promised to kill a 2 shot scum Vigi at the last second at the end of the deadline with no indication of VE being around. Why would VE not come around? Of course VE will come around regardless of his alignment in case he wins mayor election he sure wants to use his lynch. | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:34 Grackaroni wrote: If he did that I would end him. Why would he even risk that though if he's on a team with Mocsta. He has no scum read on Mocsta and then starts listening to my opinion in the last second? He could have ignored me and not risked claiming scum by not following through with his word. Could you point out where supersoft "starts listening to your points against Mocsta"? Because only thing i see is you saying "Artanis' case on Mocsta i think is the best there is ", then ss says "i will lynch one of these ~5 people, i will filter Mocsta and hiro". That does not look like agreeing with someone's points, he did apparently not read Artanis' case, he filtered Mocsta in about 5 minutes and there was still the option of hiro/thrawn. And his "i guess i would lynch Mocsta" does not sound very confident, especially considering how he interacts towards VE after deadline before lynch, and in general. If Mocsta was definitely his top scumread and he was dead set on lynching him he would be telling VE to lynch Mocsta or hoping VE does not come back so he can lynch Mocsta. Instead he seems scared about VE not showing up, like here: Does this to you look like he absolutely want's to lynch Mocsta? | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote: rayn wants to lynch all the vets. na-ah. Not VE and not Mig and didn't want yamato. <3 | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:49 Grackaroni wrote: I'm on my phone so I can't quote. I say SS lynch targets bad/SS bad scum hunter. SS asks me who he should look at instead. I say Mocsta case is best case. SS filters Mocsta. SS declares he will lynch Mocsta. He'd have to be Risen to do that as scum. He could just ignore me as a troll or say he didn't want to lynch Mocsta. It's not the point what he said but what he did. Yes he said he could lynch Mocsta. What he did is this: Say he will read Mocsta. Say he will lynch Hopeless/Coag, still reading Mocsta, and hiro. (after 5min) "okay i guess i can lynch Mocsta". Still reading Hiro and Mocsta again. After deadline does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta. After VE lynches Skan does not bring Mocsta up, says "i guess that was an ok lynch, Mocsta was better but it's D1 so i could be wrong". Never brings Mocsta up again but makes a case on Oats on N1. Does this look like a legit read evolvement on someone? | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:58 Holyflare wrote: That's the thing about this BH lynch that bugs me. Nobody is specifically going to gain any town credit for it but there is a lot to lose from it if he is actually scum (a potential power role, an extra person dragging the scum kp closer to 1). Why would he make such randomly shit lying plays? Can someone answer when specifically he unclaimed tracker? Was it after the 2 trackers got revealed or before? That's because BH lynch is not scum driven because i am town. Why would BH play like shit as town? If we do not lynch him now he will continue play like shit and you know it because you just played with him in a game where he played just as shit as he does now. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:00 Pandain wrote: Seems fine to me ESP when you think about information you're ignoring And what is that information i am ignoring? This whole game you have been making statements that do not hold water or you irrationally change your mind every other second. That's what your scumplay looks like and that's why you are scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Might aswell put this here: Pandain: I don't like this post at all: Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote: I see a bunch of quotes and an emphasis on "BC no like trolls". Well done Pandain; @Rayn How certain are you that BH is scum? I read through your case on Pandain and the parts about BH are similar to my own thoughts - Pandain is all over the fucking place. I'd say its in a way that doesn't look like a bus. I dont think BH is scum, there I said it. I am very certain. What i am saying about Pandain is that it could be a bus, because Pandain immediately retracts from his scumread on BH when BH un-claims. If they are both scum Pandain would know BH will retract from the claim and has an out already for calling BH scum earlier (because it was based purely on the claim - and he made a really bad argument about BH's earlier fakeclaims as scum, he even quoted the I'm a cop you idiot -game where the point of the game is for scum to fakeclaim cop, it has nothing to do with his claim in this game). | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:53 Holyflare wrote: Can someone answer when BH unclaimed tracker? Was it after 2 trackers were revealed or before? After, but he had claimed assassin to thrawn in mason QT before. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:05 Pandain wrote: You should honestly be lynched tomorrow I think you're being purposely retarded So you think it is an "obvious real claim" when someone says sock -> soccer -> football -> football head -> arnold -> I'm a cop -> Therefore i am a tracker. And makes that up in 2 minutes or so? And for the record, you called me out for believing his claim originally, now you are calling me out for not believing his claim. You're doing good job to the town Pandain contradicting yourself, easier to get you lynched. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:10 Pandain wrote: No I called you out because I thought you instinctually believed a retarded claim. Now I call you out because you say that it was never a real claim when it was. Yeah it's just that it's not a real claim. If Blazinghand flips tracker i promise to stop posting in this game. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:13 Pandain wrote: IT WAS A REAL CLAIM. It was made with the intention that it was to be taken seriously. But it was false in its accuracy. No one is saying that he's going to flip tracker Oh my fucking god. Blazinghand even called Grackaroni dumb for believing the claim was real. Are you even reading the guys posts you are lynching? | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:18 Blazinghand wrote: Well I hate to say it to you grack but that breadcrumb was by far the shittest bread crumb i've ever claimed to have, including the "squm" crumb. Like ok for real 1) "hey" is not a bread crumb 2) the amount of work it took to make "sock-head" into "cop" (which, by the way, isn't even tracker) was phenomenal. I was just making fun of the pant-head meme. The fact that anyone even believed it for a second is just... well it's something all right. Here Pandain. I don't even know what the fuck are you trying to argue about? | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:15 Pandain wrote: By real claim I mean it was a claim meant to be taken seriously. rofl no, it was not. :p | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:15 Pandain wrote: Rayn. I can't get any clearer then this statement. BH told Thrawn it was a legitimate breadcrumb. What is your response to that. And this is confirmed where? Because i can't find it from my mason chat with thrawn. thrawn says "in his first post in masonchat BH claimed assassin to me". | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:31 Pandain wrote: Oh god Rayn Straight from the quote log. I am the tracker. That is a legitimate crumb. I am hoping not to get role blocked tonight. Got any ideas who I should target? I thought you were going to man up and say you were wrong but I was wrong it seems. Yes right after he claims assassin. rofl, you seriously believe that crap? I would like to see a game where BH throws bones for you left and right and you run around until you are too confused to do anything. He basically says wtf he wants - always, changes his mind every other second and you present an argument that "he intended the claim to be trusted". Oh god Pandain, stop talking about this already because it's so fucking stupid. If you don't see why it's stupid you can call me scum for it. Go ahead, it will only look make you look dumb. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:32 OOHCHILD wrote: rayne, sir, can we lynch bc and mattchew tomorrow? I dunno yet, austin looks really bad aswell. Did you look at what i wrote on him, ~page 184? | ||
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In addition to that there are people like austin who's done jack shit while chatting around and telling Holyflare not to look into his scumreads in mason QT - that's far worse than Hopeless is doing atm. @ BC: I don't know what you consider to be a vet but i have played more games on TL than any other player in this game besides you/VE (maybe Oats is kinda close with me). | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:47 OOHCHILD wrote: I agree with you Rayne that Austin is very scummy. He used to play more and I remember him being quite tunnely as town. No tunnels at all this game! He has literally no scumreads and i would like to lynch him after BH. Depending on BH's flip i will re-evaluate if i will be looking into Grack or not, because i doubt both Mocsta and BH were bussing Grack, that would be just stupid because Grack is quite good as scum and can redeem himself even from a bad spot. Bussing would not help him staying alive which he can achieve. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ive played since mafia 2 off and on for years. I can easily say that I recognize your name but not for any series of accomplishments. ive never heard or seen (not saying you havent but i havent seen it) you being amazing. To be quite honest this is the first time I can honestly say I have seen you play balls hard that will stick in my mind. VE, oats, ss, bh, etc.. have all done something at some point over the years of play that makes me recognize them. A vet doesn't need to be good, but they need to be known. You really aren't known to me thus not on my vet list. Be happy I think your not playing like fucking ass rather than I don't think your a vet. Yeah i get that, it was not to say "fuck you i am so fucking good". | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He looks terrible. If he doesn't pull out anything by day 3, then yes, Id be inclined to lynch him. However, im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until then. Hes not at the top of my list of scum. Hmm.. Who exactly are on top of your list? Those people you brought up in your big post? I disagree with at least Hopeless for what i just said. Maybe on Grack too depending what BH flips. If BH is not scum then i could consider Grack but i think his interactions with Mocsta make him look better than most other players. For example i have no idea what supersoft is doing atm? I can't remember him trying to do anything at all tbh.. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I would switch to Mattchew. Probably not Oats - I prefer BH dead to Oats right now, but I could kill Mattchew over BH. Vig can shoot Mattchew no probs! | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I agree with BC that austin looks pretty bad. I mean, activity aside, he just doesn't seem like the inquisitive, information-gathering machine he typically is as town. You meant to say you agree with what i have been saying for 3 days. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Top? Mattchew, Grack, Holy. Hopeless looks terrible as well. He would be 4th on my list. Is there anything special that differentiates those people from Alakaslam, OOHCHILD and Mr.Cheesecake? I think all of those people (barring Mattchew) have made at least as good contributions than those i listed. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:18 Holyflare wrote: That's not really true, BH does this shit as town and scum it just proves he doesn't want to play/doesn't have time to play. It's a wasted lynch today because he won't do ANYTHING. Tomorrow is a double lynch and I think we have a great chance to lynch scum today if we lynch into you or pandain. After hopeless made his post on pandain I feel like he's upped himself a bit to at least a null for now and so I'm not sure about him and people have just said useless oats just means useless oats not exactly scummy so I'm off him too. That only leaves you/pandain/bh, of those 3 I think the best chance we have of finding scum is to lynch you or pandain to at least reveal associative tells for tomorrow's double lynch and increase our chances of finding more scum. BH can be lynched any time but his lynch won't reveal anything. Why NOT just do it tomorrow and go after the people that you pushed in your post? Do you actually believe anyone is a scum tell other than the people you claim to be lurky? Nobody has really harassed me today, I was away for pretty much 40 hours and returned with my big post (including mason chats with austin that make him look sneaky in regards to mocsta etc) so your point is pretty much invalid. I am a bit confused, but are you trying to convince BC into lynching BC? | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:22 Holyflare wrote: Explain to me what you get from a BH lynch today that you couldn't get tomorrow in the double lynch? -1 scum KP. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:24 Holyflare wrote: There are 5 scum left they are on 2kp, BH dies and is scum, it goes to 4 people, still 2kp. BH is town/3p, scum is still 2kp. You then have no associative tells, no new information and barely anything to go on the next day when we lynch into 2 people. We kill BC/Pandain, high probability of hitting scum, KP stays same but we have LOTS of posts to draw tells and analyse from. So what happens. What does Pandain/BC flipping scum tell you in terms of other people? Also same about BH? | ||
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Youstill seem to be having none. I hope you get lynched next. | ||
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I don't wanna tell it though haha. I can tell you he is 100% scum. Lynch him the next day. Or vig him during night. That dude is scum! ^^ | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:29 Pandain wrote: Rayn/Thrawn I assume you have town reads on each other? Yeah i think thrawn is pretty much the towniest town in the town. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:44 Koshi wrote: I don't see why thrawn is obvious town at all. 50% of his filter is about BH and then some questions left and right sprinkled with advicelike reads. thrawn is really really town. He has good thoughts and solid thought process in mason QT. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + marvellosity thrawn/rayn mason day 2 / night 2 thrawn yo holmes thrawn are u town? thrawn hey when you get this can you walk me through your reads on koshi, grack, and austin? thrawn here's a summary of where i'm at right now. these reads are all based on what's happened since I joined, as well as a few reads I picked up while skimming the game right after wc2 ended. i haven't read anything other than that though lol. this thread is already bigger than WC2 ever got lol you've already seen what I think about austin. i agree with you on that his filter was a whole lot of words and not a whole lot of useful, and when i was trying to get him to give me his summary of the game (with his scumreads included) he ended up writing a whole bunch of shit like "x said this so Y said this" ... none of it was subjective. i pressed him for his subjective reads and the response had SOOOO much less analysis and thought process behind it compared to the big-ass summary he gave me. then there's the shit with kush, which I thought he was faking, he looked too stubborn for it to be real while I was skimming the opening pages of the game before I joined i'd written down grack as a potential scum in the case that I got to replace in. i spent some time talking to BH about this in our mason chat and he agrees with me, that grack is being weird as fuck and making really weird choices about what he's going to actually be serious about. lately he's posted a whole lot of "wow i actually agree" and other shit like that that doesn't really drive discussion. however i still need to go through moctsa's shit because everyone is making a big deal out of it as for koshi i've been thinking pretty much everything you've said about him, which is one of the reasons I masoned you. BH told me he'll show his true colors over time... but in WC2 I was so fucking sure of him being town right from his very first post and it's unnerving that I don't get anything like that from him here lotsa people have been calling bh scum but I disagree on that based on our mason qt, what do you think about him? raynpelikoneet Okay. Here's what i got. About your reads: - I am not sure what Koshi is. I need to see what he does now that he apparently doesn't want to call me scum any more. I really do read him only by tone, and there are some posts of his (like i said early on in the game) that points him towards being town. I really like to see where he is heading now, and more importantly how. - Grack i think is town for what i said in thread. - I dunno about BH. I really don't. I would hope he would start playing. Could you paraphrase your mason log with him? I think his case on Grack was quite good but i think it's now nullified. - I think austin is scum. His filter is a big pile of nothing. He should start pushing lynches now in case he is town. He played very solid game in Thug life but he is really vocal as scum too. The problem with him here is he is saying nothing and not giving out any reads at all. - I also think HF is scum. Seriously, he is twisting people's words around. He pops in to say something, then argues with me, then says "i don't care to talk to you rayn" and disappears. Why would he then not talk about anything else if he does not want to talk with me? Just fucking ignore me than and talk about something else. - Pandain is scum, most likely. He is just spewing out nonsense. He is really logical and makes good cases as town. As scum he is irrational and calls people town/scum for fucked up reasons. If BH is town Pandain is 100% scum. - VE could be scum, because of the Spaghetticus kill. I don't think that was a bluesnipe. His lynch was also awful and he hasn't said anything since. Whaddya think? - Sharrant was an obvious bluesnipe. I had him as 100% scum/blue. He is fucking easiest guy to pin as blue if you know he is town because he plays this "lurk as blue", always. - I have yet to read supersoft again, that's my next mission. Fucking stupid doctors did not protect yamato. raynpelikoneet Hmm.. I might be wrong on something. Oats actually DOES look kinda bad. He usually calls me scum/town and is eager to find out my alignment as town. That's pretty worrying that he has basically ignored me all game. thrawn RE: BH ok don't fucking tell the thread this because it'll probably just sidetrack everything... but BH claimed assassin. blazinghand claimed assassin to me in his first post of our qt. this is why I think he is town, because the way he did it, and the conversation the two of us had about his assassin claim made me think that he thought I was scum going into the chat, and decided to claim assassin to gauge my reaction to it. he also worked through a few reads with me (mainly grack) and I got good vibes from all of that. he could still be assassin but in that case I really don't care to lynch him unless I think a townie's about to die. thrawn have you played with town/mafia oats before? I have read as far as all the VE/OATS shitflinging and I highly doubt that a mafia oats would pick a fight with town VE. the interaction doesn't look like scum vs scum either so I came away reading both of them town for that thrawn yeah i'll check super/ve next because I'd really like to know who to trust out of them.. probably good to add BC to that list as well. i've been on a scum team with ss and we've been town together so I think i know how to read that guy raynpelikoneet Oats could very well do that as mafia, regardless of VE's alignment. Especially considering they apparently just played a scumgame together. My read on Oats is always based on how he interacts with me. When he is town he most likely disagrees with me with everything and asks 1000 questions from me and acts aggressive towards me. That's not what i am seeing here. Like in Witchcraft, immediately when i claimed cop he PM'd me (100% fakeclaim). He is REALLY eager to find out my alignment because he at teast thinks he is good in reading me. thrawn lol you're playing so much differently this game compared to WC2... fuck me if I ever make that mistake again. you are town right? raynpelikoneet I could assasin BH actually do that. hmm.. i don't think he is scum then. He should start playing really pro-town now in case he is assasin or town. What i said about assasins is right. They should play pro-town because it helps them (and it helps town). raynpelikoneet Of course i am town. :D thrawn " Especially considering they apparently just played a scumgame together." eh I wasn't aware of this... actually I disagree with what you said about what OAts is doing here, at least for the start of the game. he may have slowed up the scumhunting since then but I do remember him starting off the game doing the "1000" q's you're talking about raynpelikoneet On ss/VE/BC: ss town (based on mocsta) VE scum (based on fucked up decisions and absence) BC null (idk wtf to think of him, but not a good lynch) raynpelikoneet /m15: They played in OMGUS.net if i am correct. They talked about it at the start of the game. thrawn lol OH YEAH his tracker claim is 100% fake btw... he told me he did it because he thought it'd buy him time fucking BH, it was a really weird mason chat and I think he's town for all the shit he told me... but I'm kinda scared that there are townies stupid enough to lynch him based on the information I've given you. just be smart about it raynpelikoneet Hopefully BH proves himself he is not worth lynching if he is town. Regarding Oats, when i made my case on HF he just gave a comment on it and.... that was it? he just left it there? I even tried to provoke him into saying something more by giving a half-assed "that's because you don't know how to find scum" or something. Well Oats is not at the top of my lynch list. I really do want to kill Holyflare atm. thrawn i'm gonna vote oats for no given reason to see what he says raynpelikoneet I gotta go to bed soon. It's 5 AM. But seriously. I fucking suck at convincing people. I am really good at reading certain people and in this game they are yamato/Oats/Koshi/Vayne/Pandain/Onegu. I think vayne and Onegu are town. yamato is dead. Koshi i am leaning town on now from his last posts. Oats is a questionmark. Early game was townish and then just meh.. Let's see what tomorrow brings us. raynpelikoneet Oh yeah and i am really really sure Pandain is scum. raynpelikoneet Like this post, wtf is this: "Actually if I'm wrong about BH then I'm going to be wrong in a lot of stuff and have to basically rethink everything I think about mafia. " Pandain WTF??!?!?? thrawn lol yeah.. i might be biased because of my town read on BH but all of pandain's posts about BH have made me go 'wtf?' like if BH is town, then he'd be a fucking amazingly easy mislynch based on his play so far. and that last thing you quoted basically sets him up to be able to ditch his BH read and basically every other read he has and take 0 accountability for all of it raynpelikoneet When did you btw mason BH? At N1 start? thrawn yeah a few hours after i replaced in. my prior didn't mason anyone so hosts let me go ahead and chose a D1/N1 mason thrawn holy fuck hopeless is pissing me off lol right now i think he's town for how shitty he's playing.....i'd like to think he'd learned his lesson about being useless after wc2 but I guess not. what do you think raynpelikoneet Okay so i think Blazinghand and Bloodycobbler are scum. Yes i really think Blazinghand is scum. This push on Grackaroni is so ridiculous. raynpelikoneet Yeah i kindathink Hopeless is town. Based on his fixation to BH and his "i'm sad" attitude when being called scum. raynpelikoneet Look at what BC says in the one of his last posts. I think this is going to happen (how they are gonna try to save BH): "What are the odds of two dying N1. If scum has a rolecop the only fake claim they have is tracker. If you are an assassin the only fakeclaim you have is tracker. You still have to lie, but its the only "lie" that is believable enough to save yourself." This is gonna be cool. I think they are banking on us coming up with this "maybe BH is an assasin" theory because you had a townread on him. I wanna see them trying this shit. BH is most likely gonna claim assasin and then BC is gonna go "oh god i believe him because it all makes sense". Watch this happen. :p thrawn rayn did you read what I said about BH's tracker claim? raynpelikoneet Yes you said he claimed assasin to you. raynpelikoneet Hey you masoned BH, did BH mason VE? thrawn also I would be really fucking surprised if BH was bullshitting me in our qt. more surprised than I was when I saw the endgame post in WC. he started out by throwing assassin and tracker claims at me, pretending to be both at the same time and asking me questions like "who should I track" and "who do you think the other assassin is?" I had no clue how to process any of it and informed of that, and he wouldn't respond to any of my questions about his claims. THEN I started thinking he might be scum, and told him as much. finally he started talking to me and he was very open and his tone had completely changed from how it was when he was claiming assassin. He never explicitly said it but I picked up that he probably claimed assassin to try and gauge my reaction to it. Then he asked me to give him a couple names to research, I did, grack was one of them, and he came back with his conclusions which i agreed with what do you think about his reasoning for his tracker claim? that he's town who fake claimed it becuase he didn't want to get lynched? do you think scum BH would tell me this? thrawn @33 no clue raynpelikoneet /m34: I think he was genuinely worried about yamato murdering him. /m33: How would that be possible if he is tracker/assasin/VT? thrawn @32 he admitted to me that his tracker claim was fake. he told me he knew he was going to be busy so he made up a claim to save himseld. i posted all this in the thread because pandain and OATS wouldn't stfu about him. do you think scum BH would give me this objectively terribad reasoning? also what do you think about pandain? last night he changed his mind on BH which I don't mind. but when I tried to get him to talk about anything NOT BH he absolutely couldn't thrawn lol rayn what i'm saying is that I don't think I buy any of the claims BH gave. i accept the reason for his tracker claim and I think his assassin claim was a means of reading me raynpelikoneet I'm not interested in Pandain atm. BH is obviously scum and so is BC. I don't think BH would fakeclaim assasin to you. It all depends now on who VE's masons are. In case BH is town there is no reason to retract from his tracker claim and claim assasin in any situation to you. thrawn oh btw I changed my mind about koshi. he's town lol raynpelikoneet thb thrawn. Pray for your life that VE does not say BH masoned him because if he does that you look terrible. thrawn OK rayn so what are your points against BH? to me it looks like you're mainly concerned with his push on grack. well I'm pushing grack too, do you have problems with me for this? it doesn't look like it, so can you tell me why you think BH is scum for it? raynpelikoneet Because Grack being scum is impossible. That's why. raynpelikoneet read what i wrote on BH and BC. That's really stupid to assume Grack is scum after Mocsta's flip. thrawn goddammit rayb I don't want to fight you in thread and cause a series of shitposts which is why i'm doing it here. I know BH. he coached me in my first game. he invited me to my first non mafia game and he has always been eager to give me advice whenever I ask for it. if BH pulled one over on me in our mason chat then fuck me i'm the worst fucking player ever raynpelikoneet I am not saying you are scum. I am saying that if VE says BH masoned him then one of you/VE is 100% scum because one of you is lying. If BH did not mason VE or you are not lying about what you told me about BH then there is nothing to worry about. But anyways, Grackaroni can't possibly be mafia. thrawn lol rayn my new town tell for you will be based on how much you annoy me and piss me off. i kept thinking about the desert game during WC and always wondered why you were being so cooperative Can you please just look at pandain and grack? look at grack without thinking about BH or mocsta's posts or any of that? just read grack's filter? and when pandain comes back please pay attention to what he says. I yelled at him last night for not having scumreads and made it blatantly clear that he needs to start posting about his scumreads next time he enters the thread. my guess is that now that he's flip-flopped on his BH read he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to talk about. raynpelikoneet yes of course i will. But not now. If and when BH flips town Grack is like confirmed town. Pandain could still be scum and i have a scumread on him but BH is the lynch for today. BC is pretty hilarious rofl :D raynpelikoneet flips scum i mean-. [b]raynpelikoneet Could you please tell me why Grackaroni is scum because that's fucking impossible if BH is scum and BH has scumslipped multiple times? raynpelikoneet Therefore i have absolutely zero interest in looking to Grackaroni's filter. raynpelikoneet Did Pandain mason you? thrawn your read on grack looks like it's heavily influence by your read on BH. i am probably biased in the opposite direction, bh and I talked about grack during our mason chat, and the things we agreed about, grack continued to do. i've already asked you to ignore all the mocsta and BH stuff and read grack's filter. also read what I just told Oats in the thread this is why i didn;t fucking want to reveal that BH told me his tracker claim was fake. because now the thread is just repeating the same fucking arguments over and over thrawn re52 no thrawn btw who do you think I should mason for d3? if one of VE/SS/BC are still all unflipped i'm thinking about rng'ing it between them raynpelikoneet Thrawn. Plese. I don't care about Grack because if BH is scum Grack is 100% town and BH SCUMSLIPPED IN THREAD. ffs. How hard is this? Mason ss or VE, BC is likely to b scum. VE depending on what he answers me. thrawn this is so fucking annoying, I wish BH would show up. my read on him is sorta subjective to my experience with him in our mason chat. i get that other people won't be able to empathize with that which is why i want BH to just show up and defend himself. for now i'm going to stop defending him and I probably won't start again unless we're coming up on the deadline and he's still a leading candidate. btw rayn think about this. BH already has 9 votes. so far BH has been the only thing being talked about in D2. do you really think he is scum? raynpelikoneet Yes i do think he is scum because he scumslipped and his claims are full of shit and he does nothing but accuses Grack of shit reasons. raynpelikoneet lol, the discussion in thread is so unproductive. thrawn that is why i didn't want to reveal what BH said to me about his fakeclaim. i'd have rather him acted town so I wouldn't have to out his excuse. something i'm not telling the thread is that I kinda think he could actually be an assassin. it would explain how lazy his play has been. here's exactly what he told me about the assassin shit: "I am an assassin and am intentionally playing as scummy as possible without getting lynched. The other assassin will be the one who never suspects me as scum." i made a few posts along the lines of "WTF BH lol" why would you even say that you're an assassin and he responded with: "OK in a hypothetical world where I am the assassin there's no way you're also the assassin, since assassins can't mason, right? So imagine I'm the assassin-- someone has masoned me. He's either town thrawn, looking for clues, or scum thrawn, trying to figure out if I should be NKed. If he's scum thrawn I want him to know I'm the assassin. This way he aims his shots elsewhere and makes it more likely that my DT check for the other assassin goes off properly. If he's town thrawn I won't be able to keep up the illusion of being the tracker in a 1-on-1 convo, so I will claim assassin to him and strike a bargain with him: I'll actually read and help him refine reads and give my honest opinion if he doesn't try to lynch me tomorrow. The other alternative is that I'm really the tracker, and am worried thrawn might be scum, so I soft-claim assassin in an attempt not to be shot. There's really no reason I wouldn't claim assassin, honestly." Do you think he could be assassin? After our mason chat ended I was thinking the assassin claim was just some bs he said to read me, but now that 24hr of D2 have gone by with him doing very little I'm starting to think he might have been telling the truth about "i'm playing as scummy as I can without getting lynched." at this point he was still pretending to be tracker, it wasn't till the last few posts of our qt when he told me it was a fakeclaim i plan on telling the thread all of this if we get closer to deadline and he's still the main candidate but for now i'd rather not. i already regret letting everyone know what he told me about his claim raynpelikoneet Well he is doing a "good job" playing as scummy as he can without getting lynched. thrawn and where the fuck is austin? i let off on him to see what he does and i can't even remember the last time he posted raynpelikoneet and btw it was not me or you who told the thread he is not the tracker, he did it himself. thrawn lol I take it you still disagree? you are sure of him being scum? I went back and looked at the scumslip you talked about, the non rb claim right? why are you so unwilling to accept that he didn't read the op and didn't know about rb's? imo it's a pretty easy and simple solution to explain what he said thrawn no I did it thrawn i'm sick of this game raynpelikoneet I'm going to obey your wish and look at Pandain and give my detailed read on him to you after dinner. I see you're getting frustrated about things not happening in thread. I am all in for looking into other people, do not think otherwise, i just wanted to make sure BH gets lynched first. Could you look at what i said about Holyflare and his "comeback" and give me your updated read on him? Also i think we should both read Austin and compare his threadposts with his mason chat with HF. Austin is another guy to look closely into and in case i am wrong about Holyflare the masonchat might be valuable. thrawn grack too. if BH flips not scum then I want to talk about both pandain and grack over N2. idk what to do about austin, i'm kinda hoping he won't show up and will get replaced i'll look at HF. i haven't read his WoT cases yet but I did read the mason logs and tbh it looked like scum v scum logs. at the very least it DOESN'T look like town vs town logs. neither of them seem suspicious of the other at all, and when they do hint at suspicion it's always in a fake joking tone like: "Holyflare: ditto the more we post the more of a feel we can get for each other at least!" "Holyflare: I have my reasons to be wary of you but obviously I'm not going to see why in case you change Either way, thanks for the chat!" "Austinmcc: Hahahaha. We're both just standing a couple feet apart, looking skeptically at each other." but then the size of the mason chat makes me think that both probably aren't scum because that is a whole hell of lot of stuff to fake. and then this post by austin: "Austinmcc: Sorry for being a bad mason partner today. Hope your other partners are super awesome and you guys solve the game!" doesn't seem like something one scum would say to another so yeah, my gut tells me there is at LEAST one scum in that mason chat because it's just too friendly. too many jokes, not enough suspicion, etc. i'll look at hf later, i have a couple job interviews to go to today. i dont know if i'm going to bother showing up for the lynch because A) i still think BH is not-scum and B) i still think grack is scum and C) everyone tells me to stfu about both A and B. if the BH lynch goes how I think it will then you need to go read this from BH's earlier post: "In any case what's really funny, what really gets my goat more than anything else is that people are like finding weird explanations for why Grack can troll and be town or whatever and then when he's serious they take him serious and when people question him he trolls and everyone thinks it's okay. People who thought he was scum just suddenly stop thinking he's scum because in his own Grack-ey way he's so loveable. This is exactly why this style of scum play is so effective. The fact that people are like "yeah that's just grack trolling or whatever dont' worry let's lynch BH" is in fact a piece of supporting evidence in my case on Grack." and "When it comes down to it, Grack has done almost nothing today that merits the townreads or at least "let's lynch him later" reads that he's earned from people. People say my case on Grack is bad because he's an "easy target" but let's be 100% real here, that's pretty much the same as saying my case on Grack is bad because Grack is probably scum. Like "easy target" = "scummy". In fact, the majority of my case on Grack has to do with the fact that he's not an easy target, that when you reach out to grasp him he slips through your fingers like smoke and vanishes like a whisper on the wind, as quickly gone as an idle daydream but as firmly remembered as a summer's romance. " ttyl thrawn /m13 qft raynpelikoneet so i wrote about 1h about my read on Pandain and why my read is what it is and when i pressed post it does not show. raynpelikoneet very fucking funny this QT is. raynpelikoneet apparently i am not allowed to post 4 links in a post, i was able to recover the post, lemme try to fix it, one sec. raynpelikoneet Pandain: I don't like this post at all: (#1289) Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. (#1438) Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. (#1713) Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? (#1718) Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? (#3326) This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. thrawn lol if BH flips town this is gonna be one hell of an interesting night phase raynpelikoneet Well if that is the case Grack is definitely a person to look into. Also all these people who suddenly have Oats as scumread + BC because i think Oats is town and scum are trying to lynch him over BC (who i think is scum) on D3. thrawn lol I think oats might be scum. i talk to him on skype about mafia all the time, he's seen so many of my town games and he knows exactly what my town meta looks like. here he's been calling me scum but being wishy washy as fuck about it i think I'm gonna mason BC next raynpelikoneet OH GOD THAT AUSTIN - HF LOG SEEMS SO REALLY FAKE ROFL! raynpelikoneet I really do think Oats is town from his interactions with VE. Oats does pick someone and then tunnel them into oblivion. Usually that's me but i can see town!Oats pick E as they just played scum together. It would make sense if Oats thinks he sees something from VE's scumplay here. thrawn @77 see what I mean? they are both so fucking friendly and like "oh haha i am suspicious of you but i'm not gonna try to figure out your alignment" raynpelikoneet Yeah basically what you said in your post earlier. ^^ OMG Hopeless so town! Good that we don't need to think about that any more. thrawn hey can tell me what you think about BC? I can sense that he might be the alternate lynch to BH but more and more I've been reading him as the towniest of the vet group thrawn yeah there's no way all that rage doesn't come from town raynpelikoneet I don't think that's the case either. HF is actually right in what he says about BC. I am just trying to be nice towards him and see what i can fish out from him. raynpelikoneet Fuuucckkk.. I actually also agree with what BC says on HF, the dude does just that, come in when accused and then make a couple of big posts following the thread sentiment.. I have no idea what to think.. bleh.. raynpelikoneet Okay officially back to Holyflare is scum. :p thrawn i dont think austin is scum anymore. i don't want him to know that for now though just in case he is raynpelikoneet How can you possibly think so? He has literally no scumreads throughout the game. lol thrawn mainly because he doesn't seem scared of me at all also because of those mason logs.. they do look really fake but i don't think 2 scum would put that much effort into faking them. or at least if they they'd do a better job of acting suspicious rofl. if i have to pick one person's posts to be fake i'd say hf's mostly because of this single line: "Holyflare: ditto the more we post the more of a feel we can get for each other at least!" thrawn do you remember wc2? how many times i called someone suspicious for not having scumreads? and how many times i was wrong? not a valid point imo actually that applies to why I initially found pandain suspicious too... goddammit. i also don't like how so many people have started including him in lists of scum. it was like you and hopeless made cases, then suddenly pretty much everyone agrees that pandain is scum. my read on him is gonna depend heavily on how he reacts to whatever BH flips and what he decides to do once BH is no longer in the game raynpelikoneet No, i know what's different in austin's scum/town play. I can see it very clearly by reading his past games. lol, that's so obvious. raynpelikoneet Yeah i already said in thread i am havingsecond thoughts about Pandain. Need more time with him. The thing with austin is as town he has a clear way where he is "leading himself" with his questioning and he makes conclusions very quickly. As scum he just asks random questions from random people and tries to "stir up the thread" looking into everywhere. You know what i mean? Break people's play and though processes in a manner that he distracts them into looking to somewhere they are not interested in looking to. raynpelikoneet /m89: If you seriously compare player like austin to Hopeless/Sno/Sylencia you are out of your mind. austin is in fact really competent player lol, nothing like those guys. I mean, i am not surprised if someone like Stutters lurks throughout the game and that does not make him scum, but if i did that you couldn't just say "well i have seen townies have no scumreads before, rayn is not scum because he has no scumreads on D3". rofl. thrawn no i'm saying it's a null point read what he said when he explained why he wasn't talking about scumreads during D1/N1, it makes perfect sense from a town austin POV raynpelikoneet So because this game has mayoral election people don't need to scumhunt on D1-N1? That's bullshit thrawn. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:03 Mig wrote: Grack can you explain how you know Oats is town? Oats you want to lynch HF/hopeless tomorrow? What do you think about BC? Does anyone know who masond VE? I have a hard time believing town has 5+ masons and mafia none. The non-outed masons are those guys who VE talked about D1. Someone who masoned VE and someone who masoned that guy who masoned VE. I think at least one of those guys is scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also think that the guy who masoned VE's mason on D1 masoned VE on D2. I actually think they just swapped targets. They might even both be scum. | ||
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That might share some insight into that - i mean work by process.of elimination. | ||
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I also want to lynch Risen because of his "lynch austin/Pandain/HF/rayn".. Like wtf, we have all been just bussing each other the whole game rofl? That's so fucking dumb to even suggest that.. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah rayn, I was slightly confused by Risen. Why is SS scum though rayn? Because he is acting like a baby and every time he posts he whines about me posting so much bohoo too hard to read bullcrap and then says nothing.. Also as i said i refuse to believe scum did not want to run for mayor. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:22 VayneAuthority wrote: we can already see from mocsta that scum did try to get mayor. If anything it is pretty obvious SS is town at this point or they woulda used their votes to get him into office easily Yeah but they DID get him into the office. | ||
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I have no idea what are you suggesting here Vayne. If there was scum who actually tried to run for mayor (like who had a decent chance to become one) it's supersoft. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:25 Holyflare wrote: Then that makes grack really bad because he secure the SS pardoner didn't he at the last second? Well it also makes sense they did not want to kill BH in case they "knew" he was assassin if they had an assassin read on VE. That would make supersoft look really bad (as the situation is now rofl). | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote: he only mentioned mocsta last second on an on the cuff remark, who is to say if he became mayor that somebody couldn't have "changed his mind"? it is wifom at best and shouldn't really matter either way This is what i tried to say earlier. supersoft says after the deadline "i am rereading Mocsta's filter". There is no guarantee he would lynch Mocsta at all. Especially considering he does never bring Mocsta up on N1. Not a single time after the lynch. | ||
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Well you called everyone who accused you scum and then basically went afk at D2 start. I agree that if you had known BH is not scum (being scum) you would have probably done something to avoid this situation and that's a point in your favor - i mean if you were scum you would have known BH will flip non-scum and therefore tried to avoid this situation by being more active on D2. I am not calling you scum, i just think you could be more productive because i know you are capable of being more productive. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:43 Grackaroni wrote: so basically.... SS is scum because he complains about you? Sounds logical. No because half of his posts is complaining about me and the other half is complaining about something else.. He's supposed to be a fucking town leader, yet he doing nothing to be one. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:48 austinmcc wrote: rayn, ss is very likely town. Also, if you think he's mafia and i'm mafia, I chose to make him pardoner and not mayor Yeah and pardoner is pro-scum role and better than mayor if the mayor lynches town on D1. Also as people have said supersoft said he will lynch Mocsta. So i don't see the problem here. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:56 austinmcc wrote: I will draw a picture for you in a bit. The problem is that methinks you are wrong about ss's alignment. And meknows you're wrong about me. And the scenarios you are creating don't really make the BEST sense. So I think you need to reexamine. Don't twist the argument. You said it does not make sense for you two to be scum i said it makes perfect sense if you are scum. Now how does it not make sense if you are both scum again? | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:02 Grackaroni wrote: there's still the fact that SS had absolutely no way of knowing that VE would show up for the lynch. I have fucking explained that three times already. There is no guarantee ss will in fact lynch Mocsta. How the fuck is it so hard to read the thread? This is why i need to post all the stuff many times, people do not read. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what i tried to say earlier. supersoft says after the deadline "i am rereading Mocsta's filter". There is no guarantee he would lynch Mocsta at all. Especially considering he does never bring Mocsta up on N1. Not a single time after the lynch. do i need to bring the quotes or are you too lazy to check by yourself? | ||
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If supersoft is scum he is now one time lynchproof and we can't even vig him because he has a vest so yeah, pardoner not a good scum role totes... | ||
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Anyways, here i presesent to you supersoft the mafia pardoner: This is supersoft's to lynch -list near end of D1: On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote: Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC. Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen, kushmasta, Pandain, and Mig (he corrected in the next post Mig is not a townread but strong scumread). Next thing he does is he starts asking people to give +/- on those people. Some people answer, mainly Grackaroni. After some time supersoft says Pandain looks a bit better and he does want to give Mig another day, does not comment on any other of his candidates. So if we take out Pandain, the list looks like this: Grackaroni, Coagulation, Hopeless, Storrzerg, Hiro/thrawn, Risen and kushmasta. Then this piece of conversation happens: On November 17 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: My vote is still up in the air. If you can make a decent case for somebody being scum than I will move my vote. Right now I think you will lynch random inactives with a bad chance of flipping scum and then eventually, if no scum are lynched, you will get lynched for winning the mayoral race. At least Yamato's scum play is bad enough that he won't be accused. On November 17 2013 09:36 supersoft wrote: okay lol so you're the deciding vote or what -_- okay tell me your targets and I consider them. On November 17 2013 09:44 Grackaroni wrote: I liked Artanis' points on Mocsta; that is honestly the best case in thread. I honestly haven't been looking too hard into the thread but I think lynching one of Koshi/Rayn could be a good idea. Koshi has been playing scared and Rayn's HF push was bad. I also think he honestly might have slipped with how he handled the BH claim when asking him who he would lynch as mayor. He already said he would lynch Vayne so why ask for clarification all of a sudden if he wasn't reconsidering BH for mayor. (prefer Rayn lynch) If it has to be an inactive, I think it should be hopeless. Looking through Pandain's filter I dislike a lot of what he has said recently. I'm ok with leaving him alive I should be able to get a good grasp of his allignment by day2 On November 17 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: alright i am filterin mocsta right now. Does this sound legit to you? Grackaroni, one of supersoft's lynch targets tells him Mocsta is the best lynch according to Artanis' case. supersoft does not read Artanis' case, he has admitted that later on. He just says "okay i read my top scumreads target's filter, the target is btw someone who wasn't on my lynch list earlier, and i will not even look at the ready case there is, but don't worry, i read the filter, np ezpz there still 13 minutes to the lynch". Notice that here is also when austin suddenly makes a voteswitch onto VE like Vayne pointed out. Then here is what happens next: On November 17 2013 09:52 supersoft wrote: I am unsure... If I cannot find a proper target, I am going with Hopelessder or Coag... I am rereading mocsta right now. I also want to have a look at mattchew. 8 minutes before the lynch, has another target still, wants to look into Mocsta and Mattchew (who was not on the initial list aswell). Does he even read these filters because he has time to find new target compared to Mocsta all the time. I don't believe he is even reading Mocsta's filter because he just keeps on posting new targets instead of reading. On November 17 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote: okay i guess I'd kill mocsta. I believe he's scum. I am rereading him again. Here he says he'd kill Mocsta. But notice the underlined. This is already backpedalling! Then the time is up and VE is the mayor. Pandain says he has a townread on Mocsta. On November 17 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... Another move that seems like backpedalling. Notice that Pandain is also a person that supersoft at least does not think is town because a while ago he was his scumread, yet he says "hey gimme some townie points on Mocsta". This comment screams insecureness and fear. "Do i really need to decide the lynch if VE does not come back.. fuuuccckkkk". Also notice that supersoft is supposed to be rereading Mocsta's filter, yet he has time to post every other minute. Mocsta is his top scumread (apparently), yet he is not telling VE to lynch Mocsta in case he comes back. On November 17 2013 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Lynch: Skanjab1s On November 17 2013 10:05 supersoft wrote: okay i guess that's a solid lynchcandidate... "OKAY I GUESS THAT'S A SOLID LYNCHCANDIDATE"?!?!!?!??! More like "phew.. i got out of this shitty situation". Fuck, Skanjabs is NOT even a scumread for supersoft. supersoft had 8 scumreads, Mocsta "#1", VE lynches outside his pool and it's a "solid lynchcandidate". WTF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH LYNCHING EVERYONE IN THIS GAME? This is fucking bullshit. And what does he tell VE later on: On November 17 2013 20:56 supersoft wrote: skanjab was a bad lynch. because we never talked about him at all. We have almost no information how people thought about him. We didnt even know that he was mason. Mocsta would have been a better lynch, since we had many opinions on him. Man, not even I filtered skanjab before you killed him. But it's okay. Doesn't change the posotove pitcome of the votings. two townies in the office is a decent start. BUT HE WAS AN OKAY LYNCH WHEN VE KILLED HIM??? Of course he was a good lynch because supersoft didn't need to squirm out of Mocsta lynch!!! Now when Mocsta is under no pressure he was obviously a bad lynch and Mocsta was so much better! rofl. Then suddenly, OUT OF NOWHERE, this: On November 18 2013 09:47 supersoft wrote: oh fuck, i just realized i might die tonight, regardless of my two lives :D I have an issue with Oatsmaster wait! i come up with some stuff i noticed, whe looking through his filter ^_^ Suddenly there is a big scumread on someone completely different from his lynch list. No filtering for his scumreds from D1, no Mocsta, apparently supersoft dropped all his scumreads from D1, even Mocsta who was totally scum, to find BAD OATSMASTER! resoning for Oatsmaster scumread is this: 1) Oats asks a lot of questions and posts many onliners and has no thoughts - that's what Oats always does, and he has had thoughts. 2) Oats has an assassin read on VE - guess fucking what VE was? So yeah, as a TLDR;
What has supersoft done after this and after N1:
So yeah, the only thing people can even remotely think supersoft is town is because he said "i guess i will lynch Mocsta". If someone is considered town because of one comment like that (which i have pointed out is fucking fishy in the first place) i might aswell give up this game. Everything else supersoft has done this game has been HELLA SCUMMY! Notice also that we are talking about a guy who is supposed to be a town leader. He's fucking vet who is considered really good at this game, yet he is plaing like absolute shit, and not only shit, but SCUMMY! Lynch supersoft the mafia pardoner on D3, let's burn his pardon down and lynch him again on D4. Also lynch austin as a second lynch on D3. Thank you for listening. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:02 OOHCHILD wrote: @rayne thanks for that summary on what went down d1. Actually it was really helpful even though I don't think it's as conclusive about ss's alignment as you do. I am null and very conflicted on ss. Having a lot of weak scumreads is pretty common at the end of d1. So that is not a point against him. Why did he even give so much attention to the possibility of lynching mocsta when he really didn't have to? He had so many possibly lynches that I don't see why scum SS would have put himself into that position. I don't know. I really don't. But that's not the point. Because i can't know what was going on in his mind. My point is his actions do not make sense. His though process does not look townie at all. He lets his scumreads tell him who to lynch or look into (lol), he doesn't reall seem like he even wanted to lynch Mocsta (why, if he was his top target?), he does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta (why, if he thought Mocsta was the best lynch?), he tells VE Skan lynch was decent, then says it was bad (why sudden mind change?), then he drops all his scumreads and makes a half-assed case on Oats (why? did his all scumread suddenly turn up town?). If you read the list can you see a townie thought process behind it? Would you filter random people over your scumreads? Would you listen to your scumreads on who to lynch? 10 minutes to the lynch, you are not sure who you want to lynch and you're filtering people. Would you post in thread while filtering? About other people than who you are filtering? Would you do that if you were in supersoft's position? Because i would not and i can't find any townie motivation / explanation to his actions. | ||
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You will never catch good scumplayer (for example marv) based on what they say. They will always have "scummy" scumplayers as their scumreads. They will call them scum. It's not about what they say, it's about whet they do not say or do. Maybe weaker players straight out contradict themselves in saying "no i don't wanna lynch this guy" when someone is obviously scum. But stronger scum don't do that, maybe they don't have to say it in the first place. The question here is are they acting towards what they say. Does it look like supersoft really wanted to lynch Mocsta in case he got the mayor role? Because to me it does not look like it. He is not saying "yes i will kill Mocsta if you make me mayor - Grackaroni pelase do make me mayor - EVERYONE WHO IS HERE MAKE ME MAYOR SO I WILL KILL MOCSTA!". He doesn't do that, in fact he does the opposite while saying "Mocsta is a good lynch". He finds reasons to NOT lynch him while calling him a good lynch. Also his actions on N1 support this. He never brings up Mocsta again. Hell he doesn't even bring up any of his scumreads. Instead he find Oats, who he has never talked about before. It just doesn't make sense. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:35 OOHCHILD wrote: haha rayne basically you put in the work but you have zero skill for hunting scum so dont even go there with trying to teach me lessons You are funny ^_^ | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:39 OOHCHILD wrote: Anyone have any reasons why LM is town? Basically no, not any more. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:33 OOHCHILD wrote: If he was town I know exactly what was going on in his head. "Fuck I have to decide on a lynch and I have no idea who is scum!" I probably would have acted in a very similar way. You have to realize that his scumreads were very weak leans, so that's why there was no contradiction in him considering their input. He didn't even really want to lynch mocsta: yes that is because he wasn't sure about it. Even though he said he believed mocsta was scum, obviously he was still very uncertain that mocsta was a good lynch. He believed it, but wait.. then again... we've all been there. Mocsta is a hard trigger to pull d1 because if you are wrong town loses an active asset. And that skan thing? That argument holds no weight. Acting like a hypocritical asshole does not make you scum. The green flip and also the extra time he had to think about it made him realize the lynch was bad. Also he said "I guess" so that indicates that he wasn't so sure about the skanjab lynch. Okay kushmasta. Let's assume this is true and regardless of alignment that's what went through supersoft's head (while it's contradictory as it can't be true if he is scum ^^). What do you make of the rest of his play? Did you look at his case on Oats? Is it good? What else has he done? Does he look like a town leader he's supposed to be? He even said it himself on D1. Hell the guy has a vest, scum can't even kill him unless they doublestack him. Does he look like a townleader to you? If we assume your scenario is true then it comes to this:
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On November 20 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote: basically all that, his lack of leadership, can be explained by not putting enough time into the game or not reading the game, circumstances facilitated by your d2 spamfest. This sounds like the hardest defense ever but actually it's more like I can see him flipping town very easily and here's why. I could also see you being right and him flipping scum. I haven't even read his filter yet lol. Which i can't do now because I have to go. I find it very hard to talk to you. He promised to be a town leader! The dude said : On November 15 2013 08:59 supersoft wrote: okay okay okay, i think we need to elect me for mayor. Otherwise it's yet another game where i pass away n1. On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote: Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown. I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. ..as his first posts in the game! Then he goes "YOLO no actually i don't wanna play the game". really kush? REALLY? That's your suggestion? | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote: im kinda around. Playing dota. When you got a chance could you talk to me about Spaghetticus? I am wondering why was he killed. He seems like an odd kill considering all he did was to accuse VE who was not scum, i don't know is there a reason to assume he was blue (i guess that's why he was killed). Do you know who in this game have played with him before as he hasn't been playing here much? Also i am pretty sure Lonemeow is scum. He asks people about me (i was his scumread on D1), but then he tells Onegu he thinks me - Holyflare argument was town-town. That does not make sense considering he had me as a scumread after the Holyflare argument. So yeah, i have a pretty strong scumread on Lonemeow. | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think think spag has played more than 5 games so he certainty wasnt blue sniped off meta. But it was a bluesnipe for sure. There are plenty of other targets that draw attention away from BC and super other than not so active Spag. Do you know if he has played elsewhere with people? I am trying to wrap my head around the kill but i just can't understand it. If i was scum in this game i would definitely not have killed him, i would have let him tunnel VE on D2 because VE gets angry and his judgement will be blinded. There must be some VERY good indication he was blue and that means there must be SOMEONE who knows that guy well in the scumteam. | ||
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Everyone insisted he was SCUM, which I knew he couldn't be and that is that! What made you so sure BH could not be scum? Koshi how does that mason log make LoneMeow town as you said earlier? Also why are you not asking him anything in your mason chat? | ||
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On November 18 2013 20:54 LoneMeow wrote: I could perhaps buy yamato and Spaghetticus being shot because they looked extremely towny, but why was Sharrant shot? 10 hours into D2 LoneMeow wonders why Sharrant was killed. 30 hours into D2 LoneMeow says he did not realize Sharrant was dead. 100% lying. LoneMeow is mafia, 100% guaranteed!! | ||
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Koshi: Really don't understand why you don't post in the thread. So scummy. Koshi: I know you also played extremely lurky in LXI. You need to post otherwise people will always think you are scum. It's how it is. Koshi: Btw, Vayne thinks you are scum and he is looking townie. You might want to mason him tomorrow. I have a hard time believing you are talking to someone whose alignment you don't know... | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:33 Mig wrote: Pandain can you post your mason chat with super? It completely convinced you he was town would be nice to see. I am extremely interested in their talk around D1 lynch deadline. +1 to this! | ||
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supersoft & austin - really sure about them for what i have said Koshi - not perfectly sure, if he is town he is damn sloppy which he normally is not Alakaslam / BC / Risen - Slam (weird "i know BH was not scum" anddoing nothing), BC (weird anger on D2 and some bad reads), Risen (his lynch list on D2 which was terrible - but he could somehow be town too meh..). If not all of them, some lousy lurker like Cheesecake or Mattchew. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Didn't you say before that you feel like Koshi is more sloppy when he's town than when he's scum? Wouldn't that point towards him being town? Umm.. not that i remember? Could you point out what makes you think so so i can explain what i mean in case you think i have implied so. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On my phone so filter diving is hard, but I mean the thing where you asked I think Koshi about the hypothetical parity cop check. No that's different. That was about the setup. Koshi is usually really sharp in what people say and really sharp in cross-investigating things (if you want a reference see his case on Seuss in ##'s mafia). I could see him being sloppy as town regarding setup and possible roles, although that's not impossible for him to give an answer he did as scum (i just thought that was a town tell from him). Yeah basically what i am trying to say is that his LM sloppyness (as in actually game-happening related) outweighs his setup laziness (which i saw as a townie thing). I hope you understand what i mean, it's kinda hard for me to put it in words. ^_^ | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:03 Holyflare wrote: In this post we see a wild grackeroni stalling for time as he draws the image he described. I know Blazinghand's drawing meta pretty well, i have observed it during the years. There is no way Grackaroni is able to fake a BH picture <3 | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote: rayn, are there any of your scumreads in particular that, if they flipped town, would really really adjust your other reads (and how)? None. I don't do that. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote: How do you know im not scum kush? Keep in mind he says you are not scum, not necessarily town though | ||
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I have to agree i did not really care about BC's meta-reference of Mocsta and it might be i should have looked more closely into it. I also agree it's weird thrawn seems to be thinking BC is the towniest of the vet group. I have no idea why he thinks so. hmm.. I disagree with your/Pandain's lack of reads. I have no idea what you are referring to but thrawn thinks you are both scum, and tbh Pandain has given out reads pre-N2 and you did not. That's a fact, you had zero scumreads besides a weak read on some lurker i don't even remember and a scumread on me which you told HF not to follow. I also disagree with that thrawn should have looked into some old games. I know a lot of people do not remember old games, even from last month. I hate that because i know i do remember them (as you seem to aswell), i could probably give quite accurate playerlist from LoTR mafia from 2011 and the happenings each phase, but really.. most people don't. I don't think that isa good reason to accuse someone. If it was the last game or even close to present, it could be a reason. In this instance i think it's kinda reaching. | ||
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But the thing is you were not calling anyone scum. You can just say shit about anyone when the conclusion does not end up in a scumread. I do not care what you have said in some mason chat. You did not try to affect to the lynch at all, you were just asking questions left and right. That's my impression from your D1, N1 and D2, and i understand everyone who thinks so. Because that's what happened. You had no scumreads, at least you didn't say so in thread. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:53 Mig wrote: Is there any reason at all that Risen is town? Not really.. No. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course I shot Mocsta, and I'm gonna shoot BC tonight. And why would you tell that now and not on the resolution period? | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: 10 hours into D2 LoneMeow wonders why Sharrant was killed. 30 hours into D2 LoneMeow says he did not realize Sharrant was dead. 100% lying. LoneMeow is mafia, 100% guaranteed!! | ||
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Seems like an attempt to make up a bullshit reason for something Koshi calls him out for because he is uncomfortable talking about himself - and why he is saying what he is in the first place. Maybe he didn't have any intention behind the question, just wanted to ask something retarded and when Koshi threw the ball back at him he didn't know what to say so he tried to stop the conversation right away. idk, the point is there is no reason why LM should assume Sharrant is alive because he has talked about it in thread - he was even curious about his death. There is no townie motivation in lying about it. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:04 Mig wrote: Rayn you are assuming it is a guaranteed lie, it could also have just been a dumb mistake because he is half paying attention to the game. Take into consideration that's like the only fucking thing LoneMeow talked about during D2... | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, you are getting shot tonight, by me, and here's why. Given it's been pretty obvious that I was vig by pretty much everyone in the thread despite attempts to make it look less obvious (was masoned with HF so we tried some tricks), I'm pretty sure scum could figure me out. Announcing I was shooting BC means that scum really can't take the risk to not block me if BC is scum. They just can't even if they suspect I'm lying, so the shot would only go through if he's town. If he is in fact town, you look pretty bad. That said, I doubt my shot will go through. Scum will probably have expected me to lie about my target.  | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Koshi, i am THE town! Here's my crumb. I am THE town -> Means i am the self-proclaimed town leader -> Mayor. Therefore i am obviously mad hatter. + Show Spoiler + jk i don't breadcrumb inb4 Pandain goes wild | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually hopped from Mattchew -> BC -> Mattchew -> LoneMeow -> Austin in my shots fwiw. Rayn guaranteed town, HF super likely town, Mig super likely town too. I still find it hard to imagine SS being scum with the Mocsta thing earlier on, but I'd be very happy to be wrong. Lynch list for tomorrow is BC and LoneMeow, maybe Pandain instead. Just make sure to lynch the Cobbler. I hope a doctor (if alive) is bright enough to doc you.. | ||
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On November 16 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote: i'll be confirmed town when im dead, and I give my unbiased reads based on day 1 before I die. Vayne if this is your crumb i must say you are a manly man! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + thrawn changed my mind on austin again i think he's town and i think his problem is that he assumes everyone else is as tryhard as he is i'm kinda bored of this game atm. too much trolling.... people lying because they're either scum or they're trolling town... and vets with egos... etc no fucking clue what to think about grack. i did some soul searching last night and decided he was town but this BH/coag mason stuff makes me really not even care anymore. i'm gonna be busy for awhile so i will probably get shit for but idc. i don't want you to defend me either until i've returned and had a chance to look at whoever decides to call me scum thrawn besides I kinda welcome being the center of attention as long as things don't get out of hand. it's easier to find scum if they're calling you scum for shit reasons thrawn lol i don't really care about that. i haven't been mislynched in probably over a year raynpelikoneet I wanted to cut the bullshit "let's call thrawn scum because he is silent in thread". sry. There is just no use of people calling you scum based on that they do not know what you've said here. thrawn I changed my mind about austin again. His case is mainly based on me not remembering some newbie game? and that I wasn't suspicious enough of pandain? lol i voted pandain D2 ffs also please don't post mason logs if i'm specifically withholding reads from the thread for strategic purposes. you can post any and everything after we're done. in the meantime this is where I like to work through ideas that I haven't come to a conclusion about and would rather scum not know about and be able to manipulate. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:59 supersoft wrote: I am townRBer. I blocked Oats - thats where the KP went. I blocked Mattchew right now. I claimed to BC, he made me pardoner. BC isnt scum otherwise they would have RBed me Explain to me how are you so fucking sure that's where the KP went? Because you can't be! | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:35 VayneAuthority wrote: gonna be a boring day, no new filters to read /afk engage you can try reading my filter! Not a boring day, and lots of stuff to do! | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:44 supersoft wrote: i wondered, too. sharrant was no scumkill that was obvious. I even asked you guys about him because i wanted to find out, if a KP went missing. And a KP is missing. I am really convinced that i blocked Oats and his KP. I don't think you understand this because you obviously have not read the thread. Lonemeow's sole contribution on D2 was wondering why Sharrant was killed. Some time after that, in a mason chat with Koshi he forgets Sharrant is dead. That's either a lie to cover up a poor contribution or he really did forget it (because scum didn't kill him). | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:54 Alakaslam wrote: I would take this sentiment to the whole game, but then moving quickly must be done to get thing done in due time. I still don't understand d2. "Let's sheep Rayn though it's easy and he might be right today" I don't remember anyone giving reasons for that other than what Raynepelikoneet had already said and he was moving too fast. That's because i was right in the fact that BH is not town. You on the other hand said you KNEW he is not scum. I asked for an explanation for that. Mind giving it now? | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:56 Alakaslam wrote: Hey Raynepelikoneet I guarantee your filter contains contradictions BUT, yes that is really bad I guarantee if you find one that's because i have just not explained my thought process and i am gladly willing to clarify it to you. xoxo | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:04 Holyflare wrote: You didn't get shot, therefore roleblock went onto artanis, artanis was most likely to shoot BC after all as he voted him over BH yesterday. BC is likely to be scum therefore otherwise they could just let BC die. This leaves rayn open to plant bombs, he posts a list of who these bombs are on. Doctor is dead so it isn't likely there is another doc, that's 3 town kills that scum can get with just 1 kp. There is no way they do not take that chance. I have never posted any lists on who my bombs are on and i am not going to do that. Do you think i am stupid enough to say "i have a bomb on Pandain" on N1 before resolution period and then put a bomb there? | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:11 Holyflare wrote: Pandain 11-16-2013 03:06 PM ET (US) Btw since your town I'm also a veteran lolololol another vet and he calls supersoft town all in one go, slam dunk bro! Best part is supersoft "does not know this" later on. | ||
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48 supersoft 11-17-2013 09:20 AM ET (US) well, yes masoning BC is a good idea. Please do that. Also if you have another ability combined with your masonpower, please make sure to protect BC. Here. Veteran-doctor-Mason Pandain | ||
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I pushed "all the votes away from Oats". There was supersoft's horrible case and he was the only one voting for Oats. ROFL!! Koshi is scared because do you know what happens when LM flips scum? Yes, i go look at the mason QT again, maybe someone else will aswell. :p | ||
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Like the reason you say one of me/oats/VA is scum is because "there has to be scum on yamato". wtf is that retarded reasoning? | ||
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Good job Koshi. I am also scum because i lynched BH on D2, when you yourself said "BH needs to die, 70% he is scum and he is not town". Good job Koshi. Your masonchat with 100% guaranteed scum looks like a fucking scumchat. Good job Koshi. You say Oats is scum because "there has to be scum on yamato and rayn is scum". Good job Koshi. BC and LM are scum, but rayn is scum because he is votingfor both of them. Good job Koshi. Very good job. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:00 Koshi wrote: Could you give your list towny town: leaning town: leaning scum: scummy scum: Could you give your list towny town: Grackaroni, Vayne, Mig, Holyflare leaning town: Hopeless, Oats, Onegu, Coag, austin, Mr.CC, Slamdunk leaning scum: Pandain, supersoft, Risen scummy scum: Cobbler, LM No idea: Koshi, thrawn I know one of my "leaning scum on" list dudes is probably worng because it does not make sense otherwise. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:19 Koshi wrote: Ah no. I got 12 names even. Meh. point still stands. Those people you lean town on are far from certain town. That's why it's leaning town on. Or what does in your opinion "leaning town on" mean? If someone of those is scum it's probably Onegu. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:15 Mig wrote: Rayn do you have a strong case against LM besides the slip up? Because I don't want to lynch somebody on something that could very well just be a mistake. Why would he lie when it really doesn't serve a mafia agenda. Look my case is not just "i forgot". The case is -> Look at what LM actually did on D2. His main concern was "i can't understand why Sharrant was killed". After that he asks Koshi about it in mason QT. Koshi answers "yo dude, wtf, Mocsta and Sharrant are dead, what's this??" LM says "oh okay, i think i got caught in filters". In any case that's a weak ass answer i think is either a lie (as i first thought) or him not knowing on what to answer Koshi. I can't believe a guy whose sole contribution on D2 was "why was Sharrant killed?" does not remember he was in fact killed later on. | ||
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If i made one single post on a day phase, that said: "I think Koshi is scum". Then later on i am questioned about it i say "I don't know what my read on Koshi is". Would you buy that? Maybe you would if i had 10 pages of filter between that, but if it's pretty much THE ONLY THING i have done would you believe i "forgot" it? | ||
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Are my votes cool? | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:16 VayneAuthority wrote: I am laughing so hard rayn, about something, whistle whistle I know. Wasn't it fun? It was for me, it really was. ^_^ | ||
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I also feel you, as i said. Just can't meke myself to give a fuck with these ppl. :p | ||
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##unvote; Bloodycobbler ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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Unless they start. Yeah Alakaslam can die. If he can't fucking handle me putting effort to this game and all he does is "rayn post so much boohoo" then seriously [insert really bad words here].. Period. Just die you [insert really bad words here]. Thanks supersoft i hope you are gonna do something that's not + Show Spoiler + "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH""""""""""""" "RAYNNNNNNNNNNNNNN OISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BADBADBABDABDABDBADBADBABDABDADB" "he is so bad and i cry because i can't keep up with the thread (also i am scum)" soyeah supersoft. If you are town stop being a little girl and play the game. | ||
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He is just claiming scum. | ||
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too many scum to kill! | ||
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besides VT? | ||
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##Vote: Lonemeow I somehow thought austin's claim makes him town. I guess it doesn't. He is a good lynch too. I don't care to talk to Koshi because his read changes on me every 5 minutes. | ||
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##Unvote: Bloodycobbler ##Vote: supersoft | ||
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If you had even read what i ahve said in this game you would know exctly why my read on austin is what it is. It's in the fucking mason QT. Maybe start reading before you speak out of your ass? | ||
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Guess what, so were people in BttB too. And oh boy they were right. | ||
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I am not going to find stuff for you. Even if you somehow get me lynched based on that bullshit i am still not going to find it to you. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:42 Mig wrote: We have 7 hours until lynch. The votes are way too spread out right now. Mafia has 10 votes they can basically lynch whoever they want if town is this spread out. We need to consolidate on a few good targets so mafia cannot completely manipulate the lynch. Some votes right now are totally useless. Rayn nobody is going to lynch supersoft today. It just isn't going to happen unless you have an incredibly strong case you think you can push then you should be voting BC. I don't care if he is going to get lynched or not. I have a really good case on him in my filter which shows why the only thing supersoft is considered town for (he once said i will lynch Mocsta) does not make him town and why he has done nothing else in this game and why his thought process falls apart hard from D1 -> N1, and it's better case than on BC who is at least trying to play the game. So basically i can't either way convince anyone because they can't read. I only care about if i was wrong or right and i am right on those two people being mafia. Therefore i am voting for Lonemeow who scumslipped and has done nothing else in this game, and supersoft who i have a good case on already. Tomorrow i am going to vote for austin. After that i don't know. I need to look for more. | ||
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I think supersoft is more likely to be scum than BC and i don't think they are both scum. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote: says the guy who had thrawn town 100% because of Mason. If you can't understand that was because at that time i couldn't possibly say in thread why (because of his mason logs with BH where BH claimed assassin) go fuck yourself. | ||
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That's supersoft's filter in total. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:02 Mig wrote: Ok let me give a timeline for BC's play this game Day 1) Posts a terrible case against Grack where he fluffs it up with 4 paragraphs about trolling. I call him out on this and his response is So BC is from the oldschool generation that does post by post analysis. He proceeds to not do anymore of that for the rest of the game. He certainly didn't look through all of my posts before deciding I was scum 2) Grack pushes to kill mocsta right at the end of the day1. Does this change BC's read? No in fact it makes him even more sure that Grack is mafia! He posts a ridiculous meta case which is bullshit and untrue. I again call him out on his BS 3) He disappears from the thread and tells SS in mason chat he wants BH to die not because he could be mafia but because he wants to survive and is afraid he will be lynched if BH doesn't. 4) He returns with a huge post yelling at everyone, especially the lurkers and talks about how bad everyone is playing. Keep in mind during his SS logs he never complained about the town or acted pissed off at all. 5) Last night artanis says he is going to shoot BC, artanis is then RBd. BC will tell you they did this because they wanted to mislynch him but that's is taking a pretty big risk for mafia to stop a townie from shooting another townie. Oh and the only people pushing for BC's lynch today is me/austin/grack. If you don't think we are scum then 00000000 scum are pushing for him. 6) BC then decided I am mafia for complete and total BS reasons and ignores any logical response I give. He completely ignores the fact that why the fuck would I claim I shot sharrant n1 when 0 mafia kp was missing. It is just ridiculous. He then proceeds to post another long rambling post about how he is terrible at town and people expect way too much of him blah blah blah. Seriously tell me how BC is town. Tell me. How do you feel about supersoft saying nothing about this all in thread and refusing to post the mason logs? | ||
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It's also damning on supersoft. | ||
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He is another one who can't read or is just talking shit. | ||
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As for that last post, it's too defensive in terms of what he's doing. He found a scum slip, thinks LM is mafia, and then plays the "what I can't think this?" instead of "here is why he's mafia, dumbie" Yes i certainly have not said why Lonemeow is scum. Let's kill Pandain. On November 21 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: 10 hours into D2 LoneMeow wonders why Sharrant was killed. 30 hours into D2 LoneMeow says he did not realize Sharrant was dead. 100% lying. LoneMeow is mafia, 100% guaranteed!! ##Unvote: supersoft ##Vote: Pandain | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:35 Onegu wrote: Rayn lets get koshi, Im going to make a case on him now. No, Koshi is town. He's just being dumb and tunneled. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Day 1, SS was masoned to Pandain and BC at the same time. So i n thread ss calls Pandain "confirmed scum" but he feels the need to "protect Pandain's true identity" when he posts mason logs. Scumtell became a towntell. Both of those guys are scum. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:39 Onegu wrote: Then why is he trying to discredit me with BS reasons. Also he has changed his reads multiple times also but calls you out for it. So you agree with me Koshi is town and just tunneled but you want to lynch him? | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:48 Hopeless1der wrote: I say Pandain is lying. SS doesnt look good for other stuff, but I'm not ready to say he faked the mason logs. But why is supersoft not here calling out Pandain for lying? | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:54 supersoft wrote: Man I am playing one of my best towngames so far, I most likely blocked a bullet. I have clean town/scumreads and some i don't know just yet. Rofl. How dumb are you guys? like seriously? Or you are a scum roleblocker and you idiots shot VE or BH. Or doublestacked yamato. It's hilarius you believe you must have blocked a bullet, especially on D2 when town can't possibly have any clue that a scum KP even is missing. You fail to talk about the direct contradictions in your mason QT's by BC and Pandain. You fail to do anything productive in thread. You are either really dumb or scum. Leaning on scum. | ||
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- Oats had VE as assassin (he was correct in it) - Oats is irrational (which he is) - You blocked a kill Oats sent in (which you can't possibly know) best case 2013 | ||
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Lynch Pandain and Lonemeow. and/or supersoft. I don't think BC is gonna flip scum but fine, lynch him if you want to. I get the case, i just think ss is way more likely to be scum. | ||
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I don't really care about this game any more because everyone is so bad. supersoft, Pandain and LM are so fucking scum yet you idiots vote for people because they play the game. Koshi shame on you, i hope you never try to tell people you can read me any more. Neber. Onegu is far better in that than yuou are. Now you can go die. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:58 Koshi wrote: I wont if you are town. But I have been right till now so I can perfectly say at this point I can read you. stfu you are just bad. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:10 Koshi wrote: What has rayn done D3 except pick fights with me? I AM PICKING FIGHTS WITH YOU??!?!? AHAHAHAHAHAH! I am voting for scum, unlike you. | ||
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I don't wanna play this game any more because all the people are so bad. | ||
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Make the motherfucker do it. | ||
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But do it. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:45 austinmcc wrote: I don't want to lynch risen. I would rather consolidate onto rayn. Of course you would because you are fucking scum. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:49 Mig wrote: Rayn you can also save yourself if you just vote Risen But i don't think he is scum so i won't. | ||
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Epic bus on Grackaroni, lol, didn't see that. ^^ | ||
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Blazinghand was funny. ^_^ | ||
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EDIT: I never really got the case on Mocsta. I mean, i know the stuff was "scummy" but myabe i am just really terrible at reading him. I thought it could be entirely possible that he made a case like that on Storrzerg as town. It was his shot that was the only thing that gave him away for me, but he was kinda dead at that point. | ||
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For example if there is a person in the game whose sole contribution on the day phase is "i wonder why Sharrant died" and after that he forgets Sharrant died i refuse to believe that person's win condition says get rid of mafia. | ||
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