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On November 15 2013 03:52 Koshi wrote: TL town pretty good win% lately. Is it, though?  | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:44 Acrofales wrote: Risen! Who do you want to kill. If you're a loyalist, you generally have good intuitions once you've settled down. If you're a Blackfyre you will just accuse your fellow conspirators. I want to know who you'd like to kill today! And please don't refer me to your earlier long discourse: I want an updated version! | ||
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On November 15 2013 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh Risen was really funny but it doesn't make him anything alignment-wise. :p I'm pretty clearly not anything alignment-wise. So why say this? It's a continuation of a list post? Cool. In that case... Read as: soft pushing a VE who has an open town read on me in thread. Rayn knows he can't come out with a town read on me because I would pounce on him. From rayn's PoV what do you do with a town Risen prone to jumping on those who support him? Try and direct his attention to the person in the thread who has called him town without actually being the one pointing the finger. TL;DR: Lynch rayn. VE is null because my ego says he's town. I like being nominated for things and I'm still salty no one thought to nominate me for my dominant play in World Heavyweight Championship. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'M DOCTOR Mocsta be quiet. | ||
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"You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least." Good point. I like you. | ||
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2) I honestly don't know. I don't even know what hiro is talking about. | ||
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*I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan." From one of hiro's posts. Why did he add this? Seems like something scum would be worried about but town wouldn't be. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:15 austinmcc wrote: Anyway, I would still like to hear from sharrant and rayn. Risen, given all this other discussion on the matter now, I'm still interested in what scumrisen does assuming that town chooses a mayor who clearly articulates his D1 lynch, and chooses to make the mayor's D1 lynch 2nd in votes, so as to off the pardoner. See, I hate this being forced on me. I don't know who my teammates are. Are my teammates being scummy? I'm bussing them. Are my teammates being townie? Then I'm pointing out the scummy shit some town player is doing. What does scum Risen do? Scum Risen finds the scummiest thing in the thread and points it out. Scum Risen is the most pro-town scum player possible. That's how I view myself anyways. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Austin I want to see sharrant post more before I make a judgement on him. I do this as someone who doesn't really remember his play from much (i dont read games I don't play in normally and hes never left a lasting impression with me) Risen however has made a post that I fucking loath. Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town should be fucking banned from playing. I seriously cannot get behind people who do this shit. I don't really care what you think. For the record, I was referring to all the people in thread spamming. I'll read it, see them all as scum, and it will skew my views... so I choose to ignore it. What I wrote isn't entirely true. I read it all, I'm just not going to waste my time figuring out anything from it because it's all so worthless and I'll just see red. | ||
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On November 15 2013 15:13 Grackaroni wrote: In fact, this whole game has been pretty strange with people throwing out random town reads. Yup. | ||
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On November 15 2013 15:27 Pandain wrote: aww my troll failed. oh well will be back tommorow to scum hunt more. What is the point of this from town perspective? | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:21 OOHCHILD wrote: Artanis I think you got very scummy very quickly with that comment. Supersoft was the first one to push rayne. Doesnt make a lot of sense for them to both be scum. Yet you seem really sure rayne is scum. Why? I feel the opposite. Wanting a pro-town atmosphere at the expense of killing off a Mocsta here and supersoft there would make me happy. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:06 Holyflare wrote: This is beyond childish and I can't see any logical thought path behind what you are saying. He calls you a dick and said he would lynch you for it, it's clearly policy, being an active dick in the thread isn't helping anyone. A scum artanis could just ignore you because you shit up the thread and get people edgy, what benefit is there to calling you out on it? A town player on the other hand can most definitely say what he has been saying. Agreed. I'm starting to like a super lynch. Also, I don't like how pro-town Holy feels. | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:48 Onegu wrote: Ok Im on page 31 had to play with my son in between reading. First impressions of things that have so far stuck out to me. I miss the old alakaslam :/ he just like a regular player now... Maybe thats a good thing. The whole VE thing I dont have good grip on the situation but I think people are overblowing his thoughts. Supersoft is who I am more concerned with while reading. I have been paying attention to rayns posts and nothing is sticking out as scum to me, but that was the same day one in witchcraft, I then saw something day two and his responses are what made me jump on him that game. Yamato is looking fairly townie at the moment. I was ok ish with HF mayor post, seeing it was prewritten makes me feel nothing one way or the other. Still reading if I see anything else I will respond. Again I go by feel with my reads. On November 16 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote: Oh and slam is town, unless while he was gone he was playing on another site. I dont see a scum slam comeing in here and being all legible and open like he is. Second I dont like grack and his defense of storrzerg. First storrzerg doesnt need it and the way grack is doing it saying he is just out of newbie games is giving off warning bells to me. Huh? | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:13 Holyflare wrote: You've called me scummy all game but have yet to provide any evidence to anyone might I add. Hahaha oh man this is good.  | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched: *also elect me as mayor* 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. 1) Why are you holding onto this so hard? I do it when I'm scum. You probably do to. Sometimes people misremember things. Isn't not going over a post and fact checking every little bit something a townie is more likely to do? 2) Prewritten campaign yada yada yada 3) Good point. Backs up my feelings that Holy is too pro-town aka he knows too much. | ||
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On November 16 2013 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen can't possibly get me lynched when i am town and me arguing with him about it does nothing good because i am fairly sure we can't come to an agreement. So it's better for everyone if i let him do his own stuff, if he's town he will probably realize i am town at some point, if he is scum i don't know but we'll see about that later. Good post. On November 16 2013 01:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I support BC, our fearless leader. I'm leaning this way at this point as well. BC's post here + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go. Grackeroni This guy is clearly red. Nothing he has done in the span of the game so far is in anyway shape or form actions of town. One of his opening posts is this Kush is one of the single most disruptive players I have ever played with. He trolls and is generally unhelpful and annoying. Anyone advocating a waste of skin player to be elected is not doing it for any purposes other than his own sadistic pleasure and general fuck you stance to everyone hes playing with. No town should be doing this period. After that post he follows it up with retarded back and forth comments with pandain calling the two of them mafia (himself and pandain). He then calls out someone for calling them mafia and says he should have kush kill them. Nothing really important and all trolling. All incredibly annoying. He then proceedes to say that he will only tell us if he finds mafia, and will 100% accept whatever decision pandain says unless he otherwise says. Hes not being helpful hes directly passing off all responsibility of his "reads" to another player. Town has no bloody reason to do this. He ignores all reads for ages accept for storr in which he tries to elegantly duck out from at first then all in defends the guy on terrrrible reasons. RNG is never good, Storr isn't a newb. He then continues to troll and spout useless "non alignment indicative" drival which is imo a huge tell about him. He has been incredibly active compared to most players and said exactly nothing of substantial quality nor is he even attempting to do so or promising to do so. He has shown that he doesn't fucking care about town and thus should be removed by fire. Lets move on to the next one shall we Storrzerg The guy has pulled out RNG as a reason to lynch people and has continuously in most of his posts pulled the newb card. I know for a fact he played with me years ago and may be rusty but is in no shape or form new. I also know he plays mafia elsewhere. The fact he pulls a card he should be fully aware at least some of us know is a lie raises insane red flags for me. Anyone who actively lies about something to manipulate an election to his own advantage cannot be town. I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more. VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined. Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time. is fantastic. I want to him to stick around and continue with stuff like this. ##vote: Bloodyc0bbler | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:05 Skanjab1s wrote: Says the guy who took a whole page to say that Grack likes to troll. Why are you defending Grack so hard? You have a point? Do you know Grack is town and want that juicy town cred? | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:28 VayneAuthority wrote: seems odd to try and force scum reads out of people lol, full discretion will never be provided on my part Why not? I'm confused. I hate people who give solid town reads, but I give them from time to time and understand why people give them. Scum reads should always be given when you have them, or you can delay if you want to see that person post more, but why withhold information like that beyond a certain point? No one is perfect, maybe you're sitting on something people missed or glossed over and because you're not airing your scum reads people won't be as willing to believe your stuff later. Seems foolish/not pro-town at all to me. | ||
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On November 16 2013 05:11 Koshi wrote: well you know what it means when Koshi and rayn don't like each other early and vayn points it out. vayn is scum. (Golden Sun) Glad I'm not the only one feeling this way. Whether you're joking or not this is a really weird post coming from VA. | ||
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On November 16 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote: I don't trust super solely because he trusts BC who I find abhorrent. Then I guess you don't trust Mr. CC either? | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:04 austinmcc wrote: Risen, why do you like BC's post so much? Also, do you feel like he's "stuck around" and continued? I felt it was the kind of post someone should be making in the game. Instantly made me like him. Haven't liked his followup as much. Prefer VE. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Still don't wanna qualify your either/or read on me and yamato? Not much to qualify. Didn't like the interaction between you two. Made my gut feel like one of you were scum. I think it's yamato. I'm voting you now because I like your recent posting more than BC, even though I still think BC's posting is fine. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:30 austinmcc wrote: I like the first bit of this and agree. I just didn't and don't find it alignment-indicative, because I think people of either alignment could feel that such a post would get some love, and could put one together. Especially someone who didn't really have anything else going, that sort of person could make that post and sort of bask in it, because now they're the dude who made that post. If that makes sense. Makes sense, and I don't think it's TOO alignment indicative, but when you're posting well and generating good discussion I'm going to support you. Not because I think you're town, but because I think you're pro-town. | ||
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I am interested in the answer to this, though. | ||
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Good enough reasoning, now move your vote to VE, please. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why? Hes currently being elected. No ones voting for me, whereas people are voting for VE. Given that hes in the lead why would I not get the next one in? Then vote yourself. I don't want ss as pardoner. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm just trying to understand the dichotomy here because supersoft has served a mafia agenda until recently where he has cooled it off a bit. If I had to choose between myself and SS I would easily give myself the spot. I agree with this. Making me wary of BC. Makes me think BC feels he's too committed and can't back down now or he'll look scummy. BC shouldn't be so worried about appearing scummy id he's town. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:48 yamato77 wrote: Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:54 Mig wrote: Combination of a few things, 1) tone of posts (doesn't seem worried about being viewed as town) 2) claiming that he will use the pardoner role if given it, since most people view pardoner as pro mafia I don't think many mafia would be willing to risk saying they will use it in public. 3) Revealing LM as mason. I think it was really stupid to do so but there isn't any reason for mafia to reveal this at all. Just seems like a dumb town move. I can think of reasons I would do it as either alignment. Why can't you? | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:59 Mig wrote: If LM eats a bullet now yamato takes some blame. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to just not mention it at all and then shoot LM? It helps mafia none to reveal that LM is mason. It is just a dumb thing for a townie to do. Or he could reveal it knowing LM is town and as you can see in thread people agreed that it was scummy to mason without posting in thread so maybe the plan was to push an LM mislynch? Why can't you even see the potential for that? Are you scum? | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:00 yamato77 wrote: Because if he does nothing all game, we fucking lynch him for doing nothing instead of letting him live forever as useless mafia like he did in Hogwarts. Why don't we lynch him after doing nothing all game and not let him get away with it instead? At least he isn't being anti-town. I don't mind lurkers/useless people as much as I used to as long as they don't poke me. | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:01 yamato77 wrote: LM eating a bullet is a win for town, it keeps other players alive. Masoning is mildly useful but not that necessary to winning the game. Huh? No. Lol. Are you trying to play the "too stupid to be scum" card? It would work if I wasn't in this game, but I am... And it won't. | ||
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On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote: I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again. As far as this little gem that I've seen: Risen, you quite clearly know that this wasn't the only post that BH did in WHC so why does it not phase you that his content thus far has been utterly appalling? BH in WHC was shaparoning, giving reads, solving things and eventually got us to lynch your scum partner. Does this really look like the same BH to you? Hmm, HF why are you misconstruing my post? I was referring to a single BH post there. It phased yamato, didn't phase me. Why are you indirectly defending yamato here? Do you know he's town? Are you scum? | ||
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On November 16 2013 16:20 Skanjab1s wrote: Not defending Grack, I was saying that BC's case on Grack is terrible fluff. What exactly do you find fantastic about this post? Already responded to that question. It's in my filter somewhere. Find it. | ||
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On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote: Mig StorrZerg hiro protagonist austinmcc Risen yamato77 Alakaslam BlazingHand i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though On November 16 2013 19:56 OOHCHILD wrote: those are my reads not yet having caught up and i will update them Lol | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:35 Holyflare wrote: Some explanation would be nice because scum risen said these exact same things in WHC about upcoming lynches. I'd like some actual reasoning behind your intentions please. Not really, though. More evidence of scum HF. Misrepresents Rayn, could be a mistake. Misrepresents me about a game we just played together, not really in mistake category anymore. | ||
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On November 18 2013 03:33 Spaghetticus wrote: You think Yamato scum? Why? Do you actually think OOHCHILD scum, or are you more of a policy lynch sorta guy? Can't remember why, honestly. Just reading through the game those are my strongest three reads. In order of who I'd want killed would be Holy OOHCHILD Yamato | ||
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I think the opposite about LM, though, VE. What happened makes him look "better" imo. So it's either scum wanting us to think that way, or him wanting us to think that way. Either option is bad, so you should just be looking at his posting. You are correct, WIFOM. Leave it at that and stop thinking about it. | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:30 thrawn2112 wrote: he told me he was assassin and was playing scummily as he can without getting lynched. then he kinda backed down off of that claim and started acting like he's a tracker. THEN he told me he only claimed tracker to the thread because he was gonna be busy why would scum say shit like that? To stay alive? | ||
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I didn't say he's not the lynch, I'm saying this is really easy and people need to take a step back. | ||
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I'll lynch pandain. ##vote: Pandain | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:13 Pandain wrote: Alright Risen please justify it. Furthermore it's quite weird to me that you're even pushing me with awful reasoning. It's 15-2-1-1-1 with me having one vote. The fact you're even pushing an impossible lynch is mind boggling to me Today's a double lynch, no? | ||
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On November 19 2013 17:05 Alakaslam wrote: I mean my vote is on Raynepelikoneet and FoS on lonemeow and Kush because when I started to actually dig into Raynepelikoneet they both came out of the woodwork I could lynch rayn. | ||
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Anyways, if you're town after you flip I'm sure pandain will swing along with rayn or something. ((Read as: I'm not sure at all and I'm going to sleep meh)) | ||
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On November 19 2013 17:33 Blazinghand wrote: WHAT ABOUT GRACK also don't lynch rayn jesus christ Yeah I could lynch grack over rayn. I think I might have moved rayn over to a null read earlier. Can't really remember. Not too many people I wouldn't lynch, not that I'm horrible at this game and would give out town reads. | ||
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On November 19 2013 17:39 LoneMeow wrote: Not sure what you'll count as active, but: BlazingHand Pandain HolyFlare And of the lurkers, Mattchew. And some people don't like your play... fairly good reads imo. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Them being a possibility somehow means they're guaranteed to be in the setup? It's what we in the business call a scum slip. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:04 Pandain wrote: Risen if you would bother to look into my scum games you would see that I always bus my teammates and like never give them town reads. Artanis, look at the OP. There are mafia doctors. Scum slip aside, town you would understand that changing up your gameplay would be a wise thing to do as scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:23 Pandain wrote: That'll be the day when I give my partners town reads and force myself to be linked to them That would be... crazy.... | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:42 Alakaslam wrote: how the hell do you shit on being right, wtf!!! Everyone insisted he was SCUM, which I knew he couldn't be and that is that! Whatever read mine and SuperSoft filter we have agreed a lot this game, his reaction to BH lynch was mine also. In fact to almost everything. If my ability to tell where BH was genuine seems unnatural, I read his blogs to increase te ability to look genuine for Aperture's :ws : meta. Which both got wrecked and worked amazingly well. Time to ditch that unreasonable level of commitment but I do actually genuinely agree with/ relate to/ understand a lot of what he writes. His getting a new job, etc fits in with what he has been blogging about. He thinks we fit under the knows too much category. Really though he's ignoring the fact that bh was a dead man once VE shot him, though. Which is weird, but whatever. Game is hard. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:33 Mig wrote: Pandain can you post your mason chat with super? It completely convinced you he was town would be nice to see. Give him some time to fake one. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:36 OOHCHILD wrote: rayn can you explain to me wtf is going on with grack.. Grack lied in thread. Coag called Grack on his lie. Grack said oh shit you actually read the thread wtf. Hilarity ensued. Grack just got himself lynched tomorrow 100%. Whether he's scum or just stupid remains to be seen. | ||
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Grack policy lynch I can be convinced to vote for someone not pandain (though I'll have to see something more) but will not be unvoting Grack.. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:20 Mig wrote: Mafia has 2kp and I shot Mattchew (unfortunately) Rofl. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:35 austinmcc wrote: Like I can't go I POLICY LYNCH COAGULATION EVERY GAME. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE COAGULATION WITH ME D1 IS MAFIA. Don't be stupid. | ||
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##vote: supersoft I was unaware of that HF. | ||
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Spontaneously would mean you saw the question and immediately posted them. Which did not happen. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Either BC or SS is scum. ##vote SS GOO SS. Risen, why did you drop your policy lynch on Grack? Why is Grack making a joke about being masons with Coag scummy? ##vote Risen Amount of surprise is less than the number of townies alive at endgame when I wiped the floor in World Heavyweight Championship. | ||
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Also, I think I might be the only VT in this game with all the power flying around me. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:49 austinmcc wrote: HolyFlare seems too delighted every time he finds a little quote or slip or something to be scum. mig is trying to refute your arguments risen is trying to show how much he's not trying oats is doing something i'm occasionally tossing you questions HolyFlare is actively digging back through your filter and into mason chats (ss/pandain), digging up little things and running to thread with them going LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK. I mean that in a good way, I just like that metaphor. I don't buy him for scum at all right now. Again, he appears to be reading, then ACTIVELY FOLLOWING UP ON STUFF, and moving forward with it. Dat ain't da scum way. The thing that makes HF appear town to you is pretty blatantly scummy. Scum try to find little things and blow them up and will hound people for small mistakes and the like, or even things that aren't scummy under the guise of scum hunting. Also Oats is being fucking retarded and needs to learn how to read. That's not "doing something". Also, in case you guys were wondering. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xhgBrnw.jpg) | ||
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On November 21 2013 18:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch RIsen. Don't know if english is your first language or not, so I probably shouldn't have been so harsh. I'll walk you through it bud. On November 21 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Either BC or SS is scum. ##vote SS GOO SS. Risen, why did you drop your policy lynch on Grack? Why is Grack making a joke about being masons with Coag scummy? ##vote Risen I didn't. It wasn't a joke, in my opinion. It was a lie or a troll taken too far. Both are anti-town so policy lynch Grack to create a better TL. If he's town then fuck him hopefully he learns his lesson. If he's scum fuck him die scummer. My votes are currently on Grack and SS. This can be seen in the voting thread. I can't quite teach you how to read over the internet, but I'm sure you can find someone willing to help you. On November 21 2013 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote: You nightkilled me. Clearly you are afraid. So answer the questions. I nightkilled you because you were horrible and unworthy of being in the final day with me. I kept the people I felt were playing the best with me as long as possible. Read my QT, I go into no small amount of depth on the subject. My diary can be found here for those wanting to see my masterpiece. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aQ5GRH9NDu9N | ||
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On November 21 2013 19:08 Alakaslam wrote: Heheheh (Proceeds to dance) Exasperate not thy alakaslams Don't know what this means but I like Coag's approach to the game. | ||
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On November 21 2013 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is making a joke bad? There is no way Grack expected Coag to follow along with his plan. Therefore it wasnt serious. and it was a joke. It didnt do anything to the thread, but possibly allowed Grack something to see about Coag's alignment. You killed me cause you were scared. End of story Risen. Self-denial is bad. This guy is cute. Is wrong, continues the tunnel. I think he's trying too hard to appear as his town meta. | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:30 Mig wrote: Should probably policy lynch yourself if you are policy lynching grack. For what? | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:46 supersoft wrote: this is your case, right? I posted the MasonQTs too late. Nice catch, sherlock ? That's not my case. I haven't made one. | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:25 Coagulation wrote: what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ? Saw momentum swing away from him and didn't want to rock the boat. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:06 Mig wrote: Austin who are you leaning towards with your second vote? Risen looking like a pretty good choice right now. His play in the last day or so is actively harming the town. He has some ridiculous policy lynch reason for voting grack (which he didn't have for BH). And looking at the GoT mafia game he can be actively very helpful as town. Also there is this post He says that LM has pretty good reads, which included mattchew as scum, then says the shot on mattchew was scummy. Two out of 4 aligned with me = fairly good. Why are you trying to twist things? I'm pretty clearly town. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:16 Mig wrote: You are policy lynching Grack for lying trolling. You knew BH was a liar. He was a confirmed liar with conflicting claims you commented on it (I believe) and then you lied about not knowing. If you want to policy lynch liars should probably lynch yourself. No idea what you're talking about. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:17 Mig wrote: How am I twisting anything lol. If you mean 2/4 then why don't you say that. If you thought mattchew was incorrect why don't you say something about it, instead of describing it as fairly good. You're right I should have been more specific. I didn't say I disagreed with matt potentially being sketch, but that doesn't mean he is a clear night kill. Listen, I think you're just playing bad and are probably town, but really you should step back and read the thread some more. Or at least my filter... | ||
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Holyflare Supersoft Pandain Mig Austin Thrawn Then these people depending on who's alive still BC LM Grackaroni (policy) That's all I can think of off the top of my head, and I think it covers a majority of the people still alive.. Thread is too long and I don't really care to help you all. Help yourselves. If rayn is alive at lylo lynch him. Scum can't let someone contributing that much and dominating conversation that much live so long, regardless of whether he's right or wrong. | ||
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There, case for you guys so you can't say I didn't try to help out. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:05 supersoft wrote: Risen, if Mig, BC and I were scum together lol beautiful theory, has nothing to do with the thread. I believe you just went through the playerlist and copy pasted a few names together you thought might fit austin: ofc i didnt alter any logs. You are correct about what I did. | ||
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I feel like I've been prodded to put in a little more effort so lynch these people no matter what townies: Supersoft, Pandain, Holyflare. After that work through the list/see how the game has developed. Can't believe other townies and I are reading the same game. My scum reads on ss/pandain have literally nothing to do with their interaction with me. HF comes from the very distinct difference between his town play in WHC and his play here. I hate meta, but in this case I am simply pointing out that HF is willing to put in effort in WHC as town, but is not doing so here. He also doesn't mislead there and is very clearly town, here not so much. Aight, I'm out again. Last time. Promise. Maybe. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:20 supersoft wrote: that is just bullshit. You are a terrible mafiaplayer thats it. Scumnightkills are terribly bad so far. They only killed useless people. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the cheering of the fans ![[image loading]](http://loewrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/whc.jpg) | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:21 supersoft wrote: next time do that in the voting thread. Noone is interested in your horrible guesswork. You don't analyze, you just guess. Your meta shows that you can analyze. So don't bullshit me. You're just scum. I have analyzed here, but I have my computer hooked up to my TV so it's really hard to make big posts. So I'll expect town to listen to me once I'm dead, though momentum has appeared to move away from me. We'll see. Doesn't really matter, if you're not lynched today you and pandain will very quickly go bye bye. Hopefully HF soon after, though that one I'm less certain on (not on my read, but whether people will lynch him) | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:23 supersoft wrote: I am actually extremely close to call you town, because you're too bad to be scum... You're just so bad this game. You must be scum you try nothing. But you are so wrong, you cant have the scuminformation. Ah ye ole' conf town because OMGUS but I'm not moving my vote because I won't sway but look guys I was totally swaying there at the end. Works 90% of the time every time... or something. On November 23 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: Risen, do you know a game that there is a wagon with 7 people and there is 0 scums on it? "This game" is not a valid answer. Don't know what you're talking about, I think you're referring to the d1 mayor candidates, right? | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:31 Koshi wrote: Yes. But in other games. It has fascinated me since forever that scum always spreads out. You're probably right. I'm not going to argue that you're wrong, but I don't think any of them are more scummy than my top 3. Rayn should obviously be lynched come lylo (read as: if you're town rayn you better pray you guys catch all the scum before then. Side effect of having so many fucking posts) | ||
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Top vote candidate in everyone's mind, in my opinion, should be: Risen BC Pandain LM Supersoft 5 Candidates seems to be a good number for everyone having 2 votes. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:37 supersoft wrote: i have basically a check on oats i am not moving my vote anywhere. And considering me as a option should be punished by lynch. Where did this come from? I missed it. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:37 Koshi wrote: Now take into account that Yamato was going to kill BH. Or Onegu/Austin. Scum loves to kill BH and blame it then on Yamato. (Aperture and geript) Onegu you have a townread on. Austin is just town dude. Explain to me how there are not 2 scum on Yamato..; If I had to guess I would say my top 2 scum reads there would be Oats (no surprise really since apparently he's scummy as either alignment) and Grack. I don't understand what you're trying to push? Rayn? | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:42 supersoft wrote: can't vote rayn. I think he's town. Oats thrawn risen these three are my options. So... Oats b/c why again? (Not that I disagree) Thrawn because why again? (Not that I disagree) I understand you wanting to lynch me. I've been very vocal when I have posted about wanting you dead. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: SS claims town RB SS RBs oats N1 We see only 2 scum KP N1 (artanis KP confirmed, he flipped town, mig KP backed up by mig shooting again last night, so probably wasn't covering up a factional hit). We only saw 2/3 factional KP N1. Therefore, ss believes Oats was delivering a factional kill and was blocked. Individual scum carrying out kills are blockable this game. Makes sense to me. Any consideration for him withholding a KP to get oats lynched at a later point in time? I'm fine with not lynching super now. But that means Oats needs to go so we can lynch super after if Oats flips town. That's just the way it has to be. For now: ##unvote: supersoft Don't know how you're town. I think you're scum going for the 1 for 1. I'd be impressed by this bus, though not surprised. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote: I put no stock in possible withholding a KP N1 when they know the mayoral lynch was townie and they probably feel decent. Other options are super lying, mafia hitting an assassin, mafia hitting Sharrant's doc target, mafia hitting an unclaimed vet or unclaimed doc's target. Yeah I didn't give that too much thought. Regardless, ss has tunneled onto Oats and needs to trade lives with him or this game is going to grind to a halt over the issue. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:49 supersoft wrote: i dont care what you post against me. I dont lynch because i dont agree with someone or i dont like someone. I lynch scum. I know you guys don't play like that... You lynch if someone doesn't post enough "<3" at the end of his sentences. I want to lynch you because your Meta says that you can play okayish and you analyze. You played terribly this game. You contradict yourself and it's obvious you don't invest too much time in this game. thats why i want to lynch you. thrawn doesnt play this game. And hiro looked like scum. Townthrawn is more vocal more agressive. I played with him and thats not his townplay. He was supereasy to read last time i played with him. You very clearly don't know my meta. Pro-tip: Read post-game of World Heavyweight Championship and the one thread where we voted on favorite alignment. Look at my post indicating how scum is my favorite alignment because... I'll let you look it up because you seem fond of this meta thing. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:51 supersoft wrote: haha i am scum going for a 1 for 1? I am like under no pressure right now. Why would i do that as scum. What the fuck are you thinking. I am playing to win as town and as scum. As scum i'd just agree with all your terrible reads and discuss anything nonrelevant with you. I should have added that I doubt you'll get lynched. I'm saying I think you're going for a 1 for 1 with this or bussing. I find you both scummy. Don't know how Oats slipped my earlier list. Game is hard. Annnnnnyways, I hope you're town. Your argument for lynching me makes perfect sense to me. I'm not being sarcastic. | ||
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that's embarassing. How much time until the lynch? Supersoft has inspired me to make a case. Don't quite know who it will be on. I figure if I'm going down I should actually build something so scum can't just say oh risen cray cray (which would probably be fair... I mean you should all listen to the reigning champion without my having to make an argument for it, but I can see why you wouldn't) | ||
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I'll make a nice list post to make this lynch easier on you guys, though (am I even in the lead for getting lynched right now? I think onegu puts me at 5 with the HF vote. I could be wrong) JK not a real list post just a list of reasons the people voting for me are scum: 1) They use meta arguments when I'm quite clearly playing to my town meta 2) They never really paid my lynch targets any heed anyways (how many of the people I have wanted dead are actually dead? I think I'm above the curve on this one which generally means I'm right I think) 3) They argue about how I'm being useless and stuff, which just isn't true. I'm quite clearly pointing the townies willing to put in effort in the right direction. Well, what I think is the right direction anyways. If you constitute useless as not making cases then I don't understand why I'm any worse than all the lurkers we have. A lynch on me for being "useless" seems like some serious BS. Look very heavily at the people who want to lynch me over other lurkers. 4) I don't actually know why I'm being lynched (if I am) and this list should cover just about every reason I can think of. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:11 Onegu wrote: I know HF likes to bus, and the other wagons I have town reads on so youre it. Looks like im the only one on HF but not going to vote for a null read at this point. Fair enough. Disregard my previous post. | ||
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Agreed. On November 23 2013 06:25 Coagulation wrote: HE CLAIMED VET. THE ROLE VET. BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR TOWN OR SCUM IF HES SAYING HES A VETERAN PLAYER JESUS WTF. HE SAID YOU DOCTORED THE LOGS. THAT RIGHT THERE IS FUCKING ABSOLUTE CONFIRMATION ONE OF YOU HAS LIED FOR FUCKS SAKE. Oh yeah I forgot that. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT IS THIS GAME THE LIES ARE SO THICK | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:03 thrawn2112 wrote: hey whats going on? what's happened in the last ~ 50 pages? and can someone kindly tell me who all has been calling me mafia recently? Everyone | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote: actually a scumteam Risen/Oats is possible. Distancing himself from Oats before his death makes sense. Except that part where Oats isn't getting lynched and isn't really in danger of being lynched without me gunning for him? | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:43 Holyflare wrote: Risen just because you aren't doing the exact same things as WHC doesn't mean your methods are the same fucking thing. Post-game analysis states that "risen should have been easy to spot because he came back to the thread every so often to shit up the thread" look what you have done the past 10+ pages, completely insight random bull shit, JUST like WHC so don't give me that bs about "oh boo hoo its nothing like that game" because it is, just in a different light. If you were town you wouldn't honestly give a shit like you are doing now, you play to win as scum. You didn't give any shits until your name starts to pop up as a potential lynch candidate and now look, you've listed off names that are completely different from reads you have given all game. Onegu is literally full of crap too. Yes, I bussed in hogwarts but that was because it was necessary, the entire scum team died bar 3 people. This game nothing really went wrong, what need would I have to bus? 1 scum is dead in 2 nights. Not really a scenario where anyone would need to bus really, he comes back to the thread claiming that he has read but really, nothing he says has any weight to it. He gives an updated list of people he thinks are scum, 2 names. 2 names that he has "pushed" this game to no avail and when there is a 5 man scum team that is appalling. BC, why isn't EVERYONE ON THIS GUY. A fucking vigi aimed claimed to aim his shot at BC and he was RB'd, how much more evidence do you even need?? If BC was town, he would be dead 100%. There is no way that they waste a rb on a vig attacking a town instead of potentially using it elsewhere because really, who else was in the limelight other than BC for potential lynch today? A list of lurkers. Great. There is no logical reason he is alive other than the entire scum being lurkers. I don't think I've particularly shit up the thread more than anyone else. I think since I came back into the thread some very important things have been cleared up. Just look at the Pandain/SS situation. Look at how people are starting to consolidate (in some cases onto me but that's still consolidation). Sicne I've come back things have been going better. Is the cause of that entirely me? Probably not. You ARE, however, twisting things to fit a narrative you're trying to push and only are able to because I responded to your initial horrible justification. I mean just look at how much you've latched onto Mig's reasoning! Plus points for Mig, minus points for you. I'm trying to think about whether I should be unvoting Pandain here. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:20 Risen wrote: For reference Pandain and I are tied, I am still to be lynched as I got higher more recently. There's still so much time left in the day. If SS is bussing Oats here god damnit man I want scum play of the century don't do this. If Oats is town why didn't SS consider all the things austin just told me about? I don't find austin as scummy as before because he took the time to help me out. I don't want to see him lynched Onegu plz On November 23 2013 06:21 Risen wrote: Ninja unvote shenans SS plz respond unless you already have then toss me a link plz | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote: actually a scumteam Risen/Oats is possible. Distancing himself from Oats before his death makes sense. I just realized ss unvoted me then revoted me with this as his justification and hasn't responded to the point I raised about it lol. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote: Oh I thought you were referring to the BC point because he said that too a bit ago and that still isn't his point about you either because everyone in the thread has commented how bad it is when you come back and post a list of names and afk again. It's unproductive, there is no reasoning and it wasted peoples time. Sure there's reasoning. It gives people an updated perspective on how I'm viewing things. For example, Pandain is back to being scummy for me because of his inability to believe Thrawn is scum and his clinging to a viewpoint instead of being open to change it (in my mind that's for fear of appearing like a flip flopper which townies shouldn't be afraid of) | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:11 Holyflare wrote: Also what you have said the past few pages has been nothing really useful, it was austin who consolidated the reads of the thread so it is his effort. Which is in line with what I've said so.... | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:13 Holyflare wrote: Also please tell me how my justification is wrong because I really want to be able to figure you out. Which part are you referring to. I'm an open book yo | ||
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I've already responded. Since coming into the thread I've helped push for consolidation (an austin led effort) and I've been integral in getting the SS/Pandain situation cleared up. Was there a little chaos? Sure. But I don't think getting through all that misunderstanding was going to be clean in any universe. Also, it still hasn't been all that cleared up (see: hopeless). I did not do the same thing at all in our last game together. This is what makes you scum in my eyes. You're very much misrepresenting my gameplay in WHC. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:17 Holyflare wrote: The part about WHC and you returning to screw things up. That's what you did in that game. You had a scum read on me day 1 because I said the same thing yet somehow it fell off with not really much comment on it and now here we are again with you saying the same thing, disregarding everything before. I want to know why this game is different to that game? It's just less words but same motive IMO If you're honestly looking at that game and this one and seeing the same thing why are you even talking to me? This whole effort by you to try and "figure me out" is a total ruse. Once I'm gone (if I do end up being lynched) lynch HF. This whole effort is a ruse, he's clearly not willing to change his mind on the subject, and he's very VERY clearly twisting my gameplay last game and this one hoping no one will go read through my previous game. His push on me here has amounted to "well last game you provided some justification for your pushes but didn't back them. Here you provide no justification for your pushes and are not backing them. See? Same thing. Wat | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote: It's easy to also agree with consolidating if some votes may be on scum members so that makes no difference Going to completely ignore the whole pandain/ss situation? Going to simply tunnel? What we have here is a clearly scum HF unsure of how to play. I think he's a noob so I'll give him a pass this game. Your town play is much more impressive. ##unvote: Pandain ##vote: Holyflare Let's get this wagon rolling folks! Oats/HF should be the second lynch beside BC. Or me beside BC and then those two. Choo Choo! | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:25 Grackaroni wrote: Ok Risen lynch looks pretty good. He was really trollish and acted like he didn't give a shit all game long and just laughed when he was leading the votes earlier in the day, and now he started getting really try hard defending himself. I'm pretty sure he cares a lot about his scum reputation lol. Plus just from looking at the vote list I'm more comfortable with Risen lynch than Pandain. ##Unvote: Coag ##Vote: Risen How the fuck did I forget about the liar? lol | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote: Im masoned with ss, i brought up the entire ss/pandain situation by scouring ss'logs, half of the people in this game were also in WHC so if i say something intentionally false they would most definitely see it. I'm asking you questions to get a read on you to actually change my mind but you're ignoring it with OMGUS and so I'm quite comfortable leaving it where it is until you answer reasonably I've very clearly answered your questions. This is just you trying to hold the appearance of being willing to change your mind. Do not be swayed by this falseness folks. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:27 Grackaroni wrote: you didn't. It pained you that you couldn't policy lynch me. I simply mean how did I forget about you in my recent "holy shit there's so many scummy people in this game" post. Hey HF, last game to this game, how many people did I push D2 onwards? How many people am I pushing here? Metametameta, you seem to oh so lov3e meta, you're using it in your justification here! I was very clear and concise about who I wanted to lynch each day in my previous game because I had access to all the information about people's alignments. Want a convincing argument about my gameplay being different here? Look at that one. My gameplay is literally night and day. There's another reason HF is scum. I could believe the push if HF was saying I was changing my meta on purpose to be different from my last game, but he didn't say that. He said my gameplay was the same. And why am I posting so much? Because you fucking people poked the bear and now I'm sitting here invested in the game (also SS/Pandain situation was top tier drama TNT should pick that shit up) | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:28 austinmcc wrote: RISEN. WE ARE GOING TO TALK FOR A MOMENT. THERE ARE NINETEEN PEOPLE ALIVE. FIFTEEN PEOPLE GOT VOTES. FOURTEEN PEOPLE HAD VOTES A MOMENT AGO. PROBABLY LIKE TWELVE AND A HALF PEOPLE HAVE VOTES NOW. IF YOU ARE MAFIA TODAY, A COUPLE HOURS FROM LYNCH, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THAT SCENARIO? IF A NORMAL TL MAFIA PLAYER IS MAFIA TODAY, SAME TIMING, WHAT IS NORMAL JOE DOING IN THAT SCENARIO? I'm bussing one of my scummy teammate homies because they're scummy as shit. Normal joe is defending his scum team and trying to misconstrue what people have said. I really hate questions like this. What do I do as scum always? I find the most scummy person in the thread and build a case on them, regardless of their alignment. It just helps me find scummy things about people when I know their alignment. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:29 Koshi wrote: This are rayns reads from page 32 out of his 35 pages filter. Do you see how his vote is not on BC but that he has done nothing to prevent BC lynch? Don't you people remember rayn has been saying BC is scum for so many hours now? Basically since D2. Are you people fucking kidding me? This is town rayn? No it fucking isn't. So... what do you want? BC/rayn lynch? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote: Risen, I'll gladly look into the cases HF has made tonight. I don't think you can get enough votes onto him in the meantime. You mentioned you are not satisfied with the Pandain/SS resolution. Can we go back to that? Also, Austin is screaming at you for some attention. Responded to Austin. I honestly don't know what's up with the ss/Pandain resolution. It's a really, really fucked situation. There's clear lying going on, there's clear misdirection going on, but it can all be explained by miscommunication... or can it? It dragged on for so many pages I wasn't able to get a good read on ss/pandain's responses. It doesn't help that neither of them answered anything for so long. What were they doing? Talking to each other in scum QT about how to get themselves out? SS's response that he thought pandain was claiming to be a veteran of TL is so bullshit it makes my toes curl. His followup that Oats/Risen scumteam is possible is also bullshit. Oats doesn't happen without me. Oats STILL isn't happening. Why is town ss ignoring all the shit austin brought up a little bit ago? Why is he treating his RB as conf scum? | ||
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Your case is awesome. I don't want to lynch rayn right now. I don't think we have the people to lynch rayn. I'm not as sure on rayn as I am about other people. BC needs to get lynched, we need to find out who the second lynch is going to be asap so we can start digging. Is it me? Bummer, but there's information to be gleaned from this. Look at Grack, he looks terrible in all this. Look at HF, even worse. Look at SS, my god holy shitballs awful. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:36 austinmcc wrote: I don't care if you hate questions like this. You are blowing up at HF for crafting some case on you based on play last game where you played good scum or you played decent scum and town played like poop or whatever. You KNOW that he hasn't read all your games, and that he's overanalyzing a particular game. You, assuming you're town here, KNOW that he's not bussing you. So what that leaves me is that you think HF, if he's scum, is trying to defend his scumbuddies and he's trying to misconstrue what people have said. He's just building a case on someone scummy. My question is....why you? Why, when he's getting little traction on his case and posts specifically, all his HWC mafia references, does he keep going. The votes are spread. He PROBABLY doesn't have to protect someone all that hard. Why does scum HF attack YOU specifically, and in this really, really, HF-specific way ----> constant references to a game you guys just recently played in. Do you think he's effectively making you look scummy? Do you think HE thinks he's effectively making you look scummy? Why me? I'm the clear frontrunner for second lynch in front of LM or Pandain or SS or Oats. All of those people look really bad. My gameplay isn't the most endearing. I am the easiest person to push a mislynch onto. I don't think he's being effective. I think the majority of the train on me is scum, not town. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote: If I count correctly, you have 4 votes. That's, frankly, not a boatload. I don't think it's near enough to say you're a "clear frontrunner." For all the people moving onto you, or the train, or whatever, since the last vote count I see THREE UNVOTES on you and TWO VOTES. You've LOST VOTES. I don't terribly see that as an effective scum push when really they only need a couple votes. If scum has is out for you, you'd have an extra vote or two IF they had active members that cared at all. The fact that you're LOSING votes speaks to me that either a push is going elsewhere, or there isn't some concerted action to get you lynched. I thought I was at 5 with ss coming back onto me? Regardless, I'm still being lynched as things stand, correct? Mission accomplished, no? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:47 austinmcc wrote: The population of India + the population of china = the number of mislynch options scum has right now. If he's scum, and multiple people have pulled their votes off you, he can SUPER DUPER MEGA easily hop off you and onto ANY NUMBER OF MISLYNCHES. How can he not know what else to do? SOMEONE out of oats/BC/SS/you/pandain/thrawn/rayn is town. Multiple people in that list are town. If he's scum, he can change his mind and hop onto another mislynch EZPZ. This doesn't MAKE him town. But it's way way way way easier for him to be town than you're saying, because scum do not, imo, need to really super duper hammer on you right now if you're town. There are too many options. He is in here expending a ton of effort trying to make you look scummy while you're losing votes, and he's mainly arguing really specific stuff that he thinks based on a single past game. Yet you're all super defensive about it. We're going to have to disagree on HF then. This isn't the town HF I played with last game. Where are his giant cases strung out over multiple posts? Where are his meta arguments backed by people's previous games? Is he trying to change his gameplay? Awesome, I can dig it, but why not acknowledge that in his push on me? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote: I see Mig, super, pandain, HF, onegu at last votecount. onegu unvotes super unvotes pandain unvotes super votes again grack votes you should now be at mig, super, HF, grack. Rayn picked up 2 votes to go to 4. There are some other folks at 4 maybe or something. There are a bunch of unaccounted for votes (I have one of those). I am wrong, then. This rayn push concerns me. I think people may be riding Koshi to a mislynch. I also don't like how certain Koshi is of HF scum while pushing rayn so hard. Where is rayn? Have you considered that maybe HF feels comfortable with his vote on me because he doesn't think I'm going to be lynched and will attempt to mislynch me tomorrow or sometime in the future? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:51 austinmcc wrote: If you're town and scum is pushing you, it IS successful. In my mind, scum DO NOT want to read the thread today. Scum look at the votes and see a mess. Scum look at the thread and see a mess. Scum feel like they're sitting pretty, or half-pretty, based on how many frontrunners are actually mafia. IMO, scum drop some dinky votes or cases or reads or whatever and peace the hell out. They don't NEED to wreck the thread, and they PROBABLY don't need to play much damage control on votes. If BC is mafia, he's PROBABLY a goner, and we can look back at people who wavered on him, or wanted to lynch other folks, or whatever, especially at the points in the day where he had like 4-5 votes and was not a clear frontrunner. But I don't think scum need to come in here and bust ass and pretend like they're trying to lynch someone and really convince people. IMO, MOST scum take the lazy play here. I think up until about three hours ago you would have been correct. Then shit hit the fan and things went to hell in a hand basket. I think scum are now having to get involved in the conversation. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:52 Koshi wrote: Dude.................... If there is 1 lynch I am certain about it is the rayn lynch. I will place my missing vote on rayn then. This is going to make you look really bad if he flips town. It's going to make me look fucking awful if he flips scum. SS/Pandain/Grack/LM/Oats/HF are going to be sitting pretty for at least another day if not more while things get sorted out between the two of us. BC flipping regardless of alignment is potentially one of the worst things to happen to me since I've ignored him all day. If there's a night kill left to town I kind of want it to be used on me. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote: rayn is in finland and I think possibly asleep. Unsure on time zones cuz we're AMURRCA and we don't need to know other times. I honestly don't care what HF feels about his vote or you right now. I think for all the talk of consolidation and how that's needed, HF is just not a real candidate right now and also SHOULD NOT be. There are too many other people around. I think you continuing to engage him in discussion is a waste of your time and his right now, no matter who is mafia. I think overall it makes me feel slightly better about you? But that's not really worthwhile given how much is going into all of this, and how there are 17 different conversations being fired back and forth across the thread. I agree with the bolded, but ignoring him puts me in a really bad light. I'm voting for rayn and someone else. Oats and HF are very unlikely to be lynched at this point . | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: Austin who are you leaning for with your last vote? Are you concerned with the vote list on pandain? Won't answer for him but I'm concerned about pandain vote list. I'm still voting pandain/Rayn I think, thoguh this leaves me noncommittal and looks very bad. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:15 Mig wrote: Vayne/onegu/oats/coag/bc just disappear from the thread and leave their votes on useless people. This raelly fits with what austin was saying about scum potentially noping the fuck out of the thread. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:19 austinmcc wrote: Pandain --> I'm not a vet, SS altered the logs SS --> I didn't alter the logs Pandain --> U GAIZ I WAS TRYING TO BE TRICKSY I'M TOTALLY A VET Oh yeah ok. Got it. I don't like that explanation. I remember that now don't know why it slipped my mind. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:19 Mig wrote: You posted popcorn after he explained it lol. How are you confused Yeah I forgot. That's really bad lol | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:24 austinmcc wrote: I think he's probably not asleep. I think...there's a decent chance he's mafia. I'm not overly confident in it. I think there are benefits to town for lynching him, but that's a TERRIBLE justification for a lynch at this point, imo. Mainly, I want to look elsewhere still. Yeah I can dig it. Really digging that post by BC, too. Last minute shenans onto Oats from BC go? ##unvote: raynpelikoneet ##vote: Oatsmaster Deal with rayn tomorrow. That martyr post is godawful especially with Pandain above him. I really want one of ss/panda and oats flipping today. Last second train lets do this people. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen what Clarity says about your play after WHWC is 100% correct. You are so fucking delusional i have no idea what to say. You make absolutely zero sense in anything you say and you should be policylynched in all the games because you do nothing but hurt the town as either alignment. Lol Rayn cmon broooooooo I'd believe this if we weren't so awesome together  | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:04 Mig wrote: Risen guaranteed mafia This is why I need to be shot tonight. ALL TOWN VIGS CONCENTRATE FIRE ON ME OR WE'RE ALMOST 100% MISLYNCHING ME TOMORROW. I KNOW HOW OBVIOUS IT IS IM TOWN AFTER THAT BC SAVE, BUT MAFIA WILL PUSH AND PUSH AND PUSH ME TOMORROW AND NOTHING WILL STOP IT. KILL ME + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/degrassi/images/e/eb/Colbert-kill-me.gif) | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:09 Mig wrote: Yes Risen I just bussed and lead the lynch on the mafia doc. While also being a claimed 2shot vig with a mafia 2shot vig already dead. I obviously must be mafia. You really got this game figured out. Your lack of understanding surrounding the BC last second swap or even consideration of the shenans means to me you are pushing an agenda. So yeah, I think you're scum. | ||
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On November 23 2013 14:47 Onegu wrote: Also not sure why Im not getting flak for the risen unvote. Got lost in the Risen 100% conf scum oh wait nvm not really hysteria. | ||
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On November 24 2013 01:24 Mig wrote: I don't have a lot of time before I have to leave for the day but I will try to look into vayne before I go. My main thought about him is that I am really convinced that Risen is mafia. Risen's posts just have too much bs. And at the end of the yesterday look how incredibly hard Risen tried to save himself. He didn't give a fuck who he voted out he just wanted to survive. He tried to get multiple bandwagons started, he had no problem voting pandain/rayn he said bc was scummy yet threw out the idea of saving him. And then there is BC's play to save Risen right at the end. So many things point to Risen as mafia. And if Risen is mafia then Vayne is 99% not mafia. You having these feelings is fine. When I flip town, and I'm going to get lynched before lylo it is inevitable, what are you going to do? Don't give me these "OMG HE'S SO BAD HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN" nonsense answers. What are you going to do when I flip town? | ||
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On November 24 2013 02:15 Mig wrote: If Risen Votes for both pandain and rayn and then BC moves over and lynches pandain it makes Risen look impossibly bad. They may have thought Risen could talk his way out of a lynch otherwise. Clearly Risen is very good at convincing others to believe him. Also, it is a mistake to just assume mafia will play totally optimally with their votes. Around lynch time with so much chaos and everybody switching back and forth mafia make mistakes also. Anyway though just look at Risen's reasoning, look how little effort he put into the game until he was near lynch, look at how he focused so much on the ss/pandain thing when it was obvious what pandain was trying to do. I think Risen is smart enough he knew exactly what pandain was attempting. I am not sure I have ever seen anyone try so hard to save themselves right before a lynch.Obviously townies should try to save themselves also, but when you put absolutely no effort into the game EXCEPT right around lynch then you put in an insane effort, that is a red flag. Especially if you aren't actually trying to lynch scum and you are just willing to vote for anyone that other people will agree with. Do you believe Risen actually thought Oats was mafia? Did he mention him at any point earlier in the game? He just knew SS had a case against him so fuck it try and get people to switch. If it was so obvious what Pandain was trying to do why was I NOT the only one confused/concerned about the whole situation. If anything, YOU look scummy as fuck for not being confused/concerned by that whole thing. | ||
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On November 24 2013 02:40 Mig wrote: Btw another thought SS is 99.99999% town please do not lynch him. Look at the relationship BC tried to set up with SS during the lynch. BC starts posting his reads and shit right before the end of the day acting super townie. He tricks SS completely, SS is super sad and crying that BC is about to die. BC then half asks to be pardoned with like 2 min before the end of the day. They set it up perfectly if they were both mafia SS could pardon him and try to argue his way out of it. But SS didn't and then when BC switched his vote to pandain SS freaked out and immediately asked everyone if he should pardon rayn/pandain. SS also asked me in our QT if he should pardon them. This combined with his log with bc day1 + his role claim. There is seriously almost no way SS is mafia. For SS to be mafia they would have had to plan so much shit out and SS would have to react perfectly on the fly. Posts like this make my scumdar tickle a mighty amount. Am I the only one who sees the possibility that everyone knew ss and BC would be lynched back to back following a pardon? SS even says it openly in thread. Why are you trying to push this agenda of ss totes town? Scummy scummy scummy. | ||
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On November 24 2013 04:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Mig. Lynch the dudes in his list, win game. You are a lylo lynch waiting to happen, sir. | ||
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On November 24 2013 04:14 Holyflare wrote: Both he and i are masoned with ss and ss did not protest when i said anything about it, as everyone thinks ss is town pandain must have been telling the truth about what went down and so no confusion, that was already explained So I'm the ONLY one in the thread who found the logs suspicious? Really? FUCK NO I WASN'T. There were so many people who were asking about the interactions in QT. I'm not even the one who started harping on the disconnect in pandain/ss logs or the pandain calling ss a liar KNOWING THAT SS WOULD PROBABLY GET LYNCHED BECAUSE PANDAIN OPENLY SAID SS ALTERED THE LOGS. LATER, Pandain comes in and says "Oh I just said that to hide my vet status from scum". So it's BULLSHIT to say that the situation was clear. The situation was murky as fuck, anyone who knew what the fuck was going on had more information than they should have had. Mig is scummy as shit for this. | ||
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I'm going to be gone before then, and I'm strongly considering voting myself tomorrow so town will take deep, hard looks into mig/HF/VA/Grack. Who did Mig's vig shots hit, again? Was it Mig who killed Mocsta or Artanis or something I can't remember. Because I see someone who is a claimed vig shooting two townies thus far. | ||
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On November 24 2013 04:22 austinmcc wrote: (1) Mig is very very very unlikely to be mafia. (2) The scummiest thing I can find from him is the Bloodyc0bbler for mayor vote (3) Mig accounts for KP we cannot explain. If you think he is mafia, you think mafia used a 2-shot vig to hit sharrant and mattchew. When mattchew was called scummy by a bunch of people. Mafia has NOTHING to gain from NKing mattchew when he is such a nice mislynch for later, and mig shot him. (4) Read (3) again. Read it again, but backwards. Now stand on your head and read it. Mig isn't mafia. (5) I thought about putting posts in qt CALLING MIG SCUMMY TO TRY AND SAVE HIS LIFE TONIGHT GONNA TRY TO MAKE HIM SCUMMY BLAH BLAH but it's just not possible. Then I'm in a very, very real spot of trouble since Mig is going to want me dead the rest of the game. He's not the only one, either. Scum can just not shoot me and even if I'm saved tomorrow I'm a mislynch waiting to happen and scum is in control of when that trigger gets pulled. If scum keep me alive to lylo I will be lynched and we will lose. So I think I need to be lynched tomorrow. I'm going to state it in no uncertain terms right now. Tomorrow I will be voting to lynch myself. You should lynch me as well because this is going to dominate conversation and will be WAY too easy for scum to manipulate the rest of the game. It is unfortunate that we have to waste a lynch, but it is what it is. If there is ANY town kp left, please kill me. Having said that, it should now be assumed by everyone that I will be lynched tomorrow and I will flip town. From this point forward assume that I have flipped town. What are your reads going forward? How does that change how you view people you thought were town? This is not a joke, and I am not martyring. I am voting to removing myself so that mafia cannot use me against town throughout the remainder of the game. For those of you who will say "omg scum risen would totally want the conversation tomorrow to be completely off course for a whole day". You have a point, but I think removing me is worth that risk and you can still get very good information from an entire day of posting. Are there people defending me too hard? Why? Are there people trying to divert the lynch from me? Why? For now focus on me flipping town, and go through your reads very carefully. | ||
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What's the context of this? How did super know BC tried to kill you? On November 24 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote Risen I have no idea why Austin doesnt want to lynch risen. Agreed. Just look at how much confusion there is surrounding me. Lynch me today, focus on finding scum for tomorrow. This isn't a fucking martyr I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm saying that with how poorly I've played thus far we can't afford to let me keep living as lynchbait for the future. Imagine we hit a townie with the lynch today, then what do we do tomorrow? Go through the whole process again? Should probably look heavily into Oats. SS had a red "check" on him or something IIRC via his I blocked him and mafia kp -1 or something. Seemed like a stretch to me at the time but I mean he's conf town now so... ##vote: Risen | ||
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Equally people who are simply sheeping ss are suspect. OMG a flipped townie had scum reads we must follow them to the letter has never, EVER been advised on TL. Besides, if we're going to go with super's TOP scum read that title belongs to Oats, so you're just plain wrong. Regardless, I still need to be lynched today. I'll field as many questions before I go as possible. We still have a little over a day so plenty of time to pick through people's justifications for voting me. Those are my observations thus far. There is no case on me afaik, so people saying the case against me is strong are being odd. Finally, stop with the martyr posts. Saying martyr over and over does not make this a martyr. I recognize that my being alive is an obstacle that town must overcome or scum are going to use this to confuse conversation the rest of the game. Martyring would be "omg I suck just lynch me plz ugh". That's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing is very logical and calculated. I mean just look at all the horrible reasons people are having to come up with to vote for me. VA has town reads on both Thrawn and I and is voting for me what? Why not vote for your top scum read, I'm still the clear front runner to be lynched. Why not voice who your top scum read is at the very least if you want to hold your vote on me to stay in line with my reasoning for the day? | ||
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On November 25 2013 04:55 Grackaroni wrote: Risen just wants to WIFOM us out of lynching him lol. He's hoping someone will say at the last second "scum would never just martyr themselves if they are going to lose kp right?" He throws out these reads of scum being within me/vayne/Mig, tells us to lynch him so that we can trust his reads, and then gives absolutely no reasoning to help town lynch the mafia he doesn't think will get lynched. ##Vote: Risen This is a pro-town vote post. This is what people should be doing. Look very closely at the people who don't give proper justification and are trying to leave themselves open. Grack says "Risen trying to WIFOM bomb us" could be very true and is the reason I need to be lynched. Clears both the BC WIFOM bomb and any potential shenans I could be doing. "Risen is trying to make a big play here" my past plays are in line with this. This point is supported by meta without Grack saying omg look at Risen's past play metametameta. "No justification for reads" fair enough. I wish this post had actually included reasons my play was anti-town and pro-scum, but this is what people should be doing. Those who have not are suspect and need to be looked into. | ||
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On November 25 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote: Can you please explain why I am scum. I'm not satisfied by the logs fiasco outcome. I don't care that you "totally wanted to hide your vet status". You called a player you didn't knows alignment a liar openly in thread. You openly said "this player altered the logs" and that could very easily get someone lynched. This is followed by the SS kill at night. This removes the other half of the duo and almost "confirms you town" for 0 reason. How does that confirm you town in any way at all? You know what I fucking hate? All these people running around saying "I'm totally confirmed town because scum would never do this lololol". That's the reason scum would do it. Then there's your interactions with people earlier before that were giving me tingly feelings I didn't like. No specific example. | ||
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2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote: Post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch Post now - discussions - right lynch You are town and post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch you/another towny = 2 nightkills = 3 town deaths You are town and post now - discussion - avoid possible mislynch = 1 night kill = 1 town death You are scum and post now - discussion - you die = 1 night kill = 1 town death You are scum and post later - cause confusion - possible mislynch = 2 night kills = 3 town deaths How is your option choice the one that = post later, that is the worst scenario. I hadn't thought about it like this. I was more thinking along the lines of catching people out who have more information about my alignment than they should. I'm not home until late tonight, though. I'll post cases then. I don't think any case would/should prevent my lynch, though. At best it delays it maybe if we hit scum. But what if we hit town? What if I'm wrong? | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:58 Alakaslam wrote: K risen. You are giving me WIFOM diarrhea. You weren't a town read, now you are, now I am going to disobey you which might be just what you want. Ultimate WIFOM, I have seen NOTHING like it ##unvote btw Scum scum scum Unvoting me because wifom? Really? Not voting another scum read of yours? No case on anyone else? | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:56 Mig wrote: So you are claiming to have been acting scummy and disappeared on purpose. Yet in your giant defend yourself post you blamed it on a poor thread environment. Makes a lot of sense. Can you explain why you think Risen is town? And obviously Risen doesn't want to post his cases until near lynch. 1) he is lazy/doesn't care at all about the town winning and 2) posting his cases right at the end ensures maximum confusion for the town. The only reason he may post them earlier now is because he was called out on how anti town it was. That is correct. | ||
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I present the TIERS OF SCUM Onegu, Oats VA, Thrawn Austin, HF LM, Alakaslam Pandain, Koshi I'll make cases on Oats and Onegu. VA and Thrawn are scummy b/c of what I pointed out about VA today and what was pointed out about Thrawn yesterday (look at hiro as well) Pandain and HF have appeared scummy to me for a long while now but I can't remember why LM is a lurker and so is Alakatroll but alakatroll is trying to keep up the appearance of actually doing something which makes him more scummy of the two in my book Austin and Koshi bot-tier scum reads who I'd only really lynch at lylo because Koshi for pushing rayn so hard when I didn't have a scum read on rayn and Austin for how hard he is defending me. Austin is controlling discussion at the moment, though, so... Also for a real quick nitpick I don't understand what Pandain meant by his justification of what he considered might be thought of as a slip on his part. | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:01 VayneAuthority wrote: yea that thing that you pointed out that I responded to and you never followed up on because it's incorrect lol g1 Oh, link? | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote: you answered my own question though, you arent reading the game, that is clear from not even seeing that I'm confused as to how that post answered my concerns toward you? I did read that post. I didn't know that's what you meant when you said you had already answered. | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:14 VayneAuthority wrote: do you speak english? probably not my vote is on alakaslam at any rate. I don't constantly change my vote like a retard. If you can't read timestamps then dont play mafia thank you. And yet at the time...? | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:14 Mig wrote: Risen what happened to me being scummy for revealing my reads during the night? Someone convinced me that you were not scum. So I changed my mind. | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:29 Onegu wrote: Your scummyness goes up since then because of the shennanigins that went on near the end of the lynch. And because looking back at supersofts thoughts after he was NK. Doesn't really hold water since dead townies don't automatically become right. Combine this with the fact that Oats was his #1 scum read and... | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:25 VayneAuthority wrote: you are beyond dense. You deserve to die today regardless of alignment. read the fucking thread or don't play the game Please note the feigned rage that isn't actually real here. He can't back up his play and so is now just raging out. I do it as scum, too. | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:30 Hopeless1der wrote: risen, you were almost 100% on HF being scum before. What happened to that read? I liked his later posting. | ||
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Those are my thoughts in case I get night killed (lol yeah right). Onto something else. With 3 upcoming town deaths (barring veteran/doc play and you guys pulling more shenans tomorrow) that will put it at 9 town 3 scum. Don't get too comfortable because with 25% of the vote scum can very easily sway things. Think that's it. I don't think I'll be giving out my town reads, they're fairly obvious based on who I push/don't push. My sleeper pick for scum so I can say I told you so later but also deny ever pushing him is HF. Dude was so obviously town in WHC but isn't here. Don't know whether he's more busy or if it's because of how much larger the game is. | ||
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On November 26 2013 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote: What the fuck are you writing Risen. Are you going to sit around and not point out what you see wrong with it then sheep whoever comes along later to say what's wrong with it so you can point out that you were the first one to say my post was borked? Or what... ((not going to lie that was a fun post)) | ||
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On November 26 2013 17:12 Alakaslam wrote: So reading risen's post, what do people think of mislynching me to get me out of the way before lylo? Do this only if a more obvious candidate fails to rise. Is this what I look like? | ||
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On November 26 2013 17:44 VayneAuthority wrote: koshi is either scum or his worst game ever on this site Lol I'm actually kind of hoping Koshi is town hahaha | ||
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On November 26 2013 17:24 Koshi wrote: Nah, we get Oats and VA lynched before us if Risen is scum. ezpz. It gets really hard when Risen flips town but we do it FOR THE TURKEY THAT VOMITS! On October 13 2013 09:59 Risen wrote: Kill anyone who ever makes a post like this. Nevermind on the self vote. | ||
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On November 27 2013 02:05 Mig wrote: Risen preparing to jump on another "scum slip". Shocker! Much easier to jump on scum slips/policy lynches/etc than to do any actual work. I see that still Risen has made 0 cases on anyone. Don't worry tho he didn't lose interest he just left his computer (ignore the fact he was on the computer numerous times through the last day to comment.) And to top it off his first post today he comes back to say Austin is scummy for defending him haha. What a guy. You're really annoying. In the unpleasant way. | ||
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On November 27 2013 02:18 Koshi wrote: What I said made perfect sense. It sure did, because I'm town and I'm going to flip town. | ||
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On November 27 2013 02:21 Koshi wrote: You do realize I said the same thing about you flipping mafia right? You said if risen flips scum and then when risen flips town. Big difference there. | ||
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On November 27 2013 02:29 Mig wrote: Huge difference just like hunting for scum or hunting scum. Lynch Koshi. But to be serious jumping on scum slips is obviously lazy and poor play and something mafia often times does so they don't have to actually try and figure out why their target is scummy. The slips are usually just a poor choice of words, if you want me to believe koshi is scum then make a case showing why. Fair enough. | ||
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Then again that's what I'd say as scum. I think the difference between town and scum risen is that scum risen is much better at finding scum than town risen. | ||
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On November 27 2013 05:03 Koshi wrote: I shall make cases tomorrow. Big ones. To confirm town and shizzle. We all should. But I shall. Add a "knows he'll be alive tomorrow" nitpick. | ||
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##vote: risen Time to discuss what happens when I flip town. | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:11 Grackaroni wrote: Screw the chrono trigger! I think we should all discuss how scummy Risen is again I'd be down for this happening. I think I can sum up the case against me, tell me if I did well 1) doesn't care about the game 2) martyr 3) avoided BC lynch 4) AFK'd yesterday when he was in the lead in votes and didn't support the Thrawn lynch 5) wifom bomb needs to be removed 6) promised cases and didn't deliver them... twice? 7) ^wow that's super scummy 8) 360noscopelynch Did I miss anything? All of it points to town Risen, imo... which is sad and I should probably work on that. Anywho, why was Koshi shot? Couldn't be just to troll me. Scum knows I'm just waiting to get lynched so I can focus 100% on PYP, so why? Couldn't be to make me look worse, I already look bad. So my guess is it was to throw people off. I say just ignore it. I say focus on the people who defended me as town and changed somehow due to my not posting. I'm saying let's discuss austinmcc and VayneAuthority ((and whoever else I missed)) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 13:54 Risen wrote: Gonna go get laid, fellow nerds. Try to learn how to play the game while I'm out. If you don't I won't be bothered/surprised. I'm town this game so... yeah. PEACE Also, I think I might be the only VT in this game with all the power flying around me. On November 21 2013 18:40 Risen wrote: The thing that makes HF appear town to you is pretty blatantly scummy. Scum try to find little things and blow them up and will hound people for small mistakes and the like, or even things that aren't scummy under the guise of scum hunting. Also Oats is being fucking retarded and needs to learn how to read. That's not "doing something". Also, in case you guys were wondering. + Show Spoiler + Shit... | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:50 Holyflare wrote: hahaha your point on me was so shit, I called out the SS/pandain thing and you jumped all over it AND BLEW IT UP, isn't that what you self clasify as scummy??? It's not just that, look at what I did with Koshi over the night rofl | ||
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On November 27 2013 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote: So Risen, why did you change your mind about going to your death quietly? Initially because Koshi was totally scum in my mind and I wanted to make sure he got lynched after me. Now... lol. Besides, what HF said yesterday still holds a bit of weight. Now that scum KP has been reduced to 1, though, might as well remove the WIFOM bomb. Sways the argument HF/I had over what was more logical a little more my way I think. Doesn't mean you guys should stop discussion, though. I'm really quite serious when I say start discussing as if this was tomorrow and I've flipped town. Some will say "Scum Risen wants us to do that all day so any discussion is ruined". But I disagree with that. I still think people's play can be analyzed in the event I flip scum (I won't, but you guys don't know that). In the event I flip town (I will, but you guys don't know that), you're a day ahead and already deciding upon who will be lynched! I must admit there is a small amount of self-serving going on here. What if one of you find something super convincing and we actually lynch scum today instead of me like we did yesterday (not that I helped with that)? | ||
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Like, I have no problem answering questions, so ask away and get the thoughts of someone who is going to be dead at the end of the day! I'm just too lazy to sum up my feelings into a case. It's too much work and not fun unless I'm trying to deceive people. I need to work on this and I'll probably try to in PYP. I really can't have my town meta be "doesn't care about the game" | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Well Risen, if you didnt martyr and you played like you wanted to lynch scum and win the game, you probably wouldnt be in this position. What do you think about Hopeless and Onegu? There are like 3-4 people that I would lynch after Coag and thats way too many. You are correct, but it's too late to change the past and I can't be trusted to not be faking this to fool town right now. Hopeless is a lurker who barely ever enters my mind. I don't even know who he is in this game and know nothing about him. I don't think someone alive at this point should be null like that. A lot of me saying people are scummy comes because I'm a little too paranoid about people, so lurking is probably a good strategy against town me. Onegu I found scummy earlier for reasons I can't remember. I think I posted them and I think I pointed out some stuff he did I found scummy. I think he developed his reads in a very poor manner or something. Once I'm gone Coag seems like an out of left field lynch. I don't understand lynching him over someone like austin or VA. I feel like one of them has to be scum. Don't know why, though. | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:12 Alakaslam wrote: Well We are of one blood, ye and I. I shall ask, ye shall answer, and, ask, and I shall answer. What is your opinion on Onegu? EBWOP: Nitpick. How do you know we are of one blood? I'm assuming you mean both town. I get really annoyed when people call me town regardless of alignment. | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Unexplained town reads on scum are more likely to be from town though Risen. Why is that? I don't understand the reasoning. (genuine question, this feels like it could turn into a clinic in which we run through my thought process on everything and everyone chimes in on why my thinking is faulty which would be cool) | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Like unexplained town reads on town, sure that is kinda scummy. Like how does he know hes town. But scum doesnt want to be like ehhhh yeah my scumbuddy is town but I dunno why. Unless at the point in time when giving said unjustified town reads a town Risen is in the lead on votes and set to be lynched so when Risen flips town VA has more cred on Thrawn being town. That is probably a stretch, though, I guess and overly paranoid. | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Uh, mad hatter has to die before his bombs blow up. Vayne not doing anything means hes town lol. So reasons for Austin to be scum? I dont see any. I know that, which means his role is unconfirmed. Me not doing anything means I'm town as well, but where do we find ourselves  I thought I had a pretty good reason for austin to be scum. Looking at the post I linked earlier where I bragged about getting laid anonymously over the internet I thought it was scummy of austin for doing something back then. I also think his progression from Risen town to Risen scum was done very forced because it happened without me doing anything except not posting. | ||
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Don't worry about it dude. I yell all the time in these things and never really mean the horrible things I say. | ||
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Don't know about town losing the final three being in there seems possible to me, but not all that likely. Somehow forgot about Onegu and hopeless, too. As long as town trades lynches we should be able to win I think. Mislynch on me today, assume mislynch tomorrow since I'm a pessimist. Lynch town tomorrow 7-3 Scum 6-2 Town 4-2 Scum 3-1 Mylo lynch determines victor. | ||
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On November 28 2013 03:12 Alakaslam wrote: Your lynch still gonna happen though I didn't say it wasn't. | ||
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On November 28 2013 05:21 Coagulation wrote: oats onegu lm are all better lynches before me btw. Can't argue with that! | ||
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On November 28 2013 05:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh and risen if you could stop bitching that "everyone knows i will flip town" that'd be great. Judt work on a giant post with your reads and if you are town we can sheep/take into consideration. If scum we ignore. I will when I get home calm down. You clearly think I'm town you don't have to do all this indignation stuff, too. | ||
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On November 28 2013 08:04 Pandain wrote: Grack since risen isn't the sb, what do you think about lunching someone else 1) How do you know I'm not? 2) How do you know there is one? 3) Are you scum? | ||
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On November 28 2013 08:11 Pandain wrote: If you were you would've already blown someone up given you were destined to be lynch for two days. There might be not, but it's better to go after a potential one who could ruin the game for town. Why the resistance risen 1) Didn't think about that 2) Fair enough, two was really an extension of my paranoia surrounding 1 3) I'm fine with not getting lynched, but wanted to point out how scummy I felt your thinking there was. I was wrong. | ||
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Skanjab1s, Town Mason, was lynched! N1 Kills Sharrant, Town Doctor, was killed! Spaghetticus, Town Tracker, was killed! yamato77, Town Tracker, was killed! StorrZerg, Vanilla Townie, was killed! Mocsta, Mafia 2-shot Vigilante, was killed! D2 Lynch BlazingHand, Assassin, was lynched! VisceraEyes, Mayor Assassin, abandoned town to its own devices! Stutters695, Vanilla Townie, was modkilled! N2 Kills OOHCHILD, Town Nosy Neighbour, was killed! Mattchew, Vanilla Townie, was killed! Artanis[Xp], Town 2-shot Vigilante, was killed! D3 Lynch BloodyC0bbler, Mafia Doctor Mason, was lynched! raynpelikoneet, Town Nosy Neighbour, was lynched! N3 Kills supersoft, Town Pardoner Mason Roleblocker, was killed! D4 Lynch thrawn2112, Mafia Mason, was lynched! N4 Kills Koshi, Vanilla Townie, was killed! | ||
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D1 Lynch Skanjab1s, Town Mason, was lynched! N1 Kills Sharrant, Town Doctor, was killed! Spaghetticus, Town Tracker, was killed! yamato77, Town Tracker, was killed! StorrZerg, Vanilla Townie, was killed! Mocsta, Mafia 2-shot Vigilante, was killed! D2 Lynch BlazingHand, Assassin, was lynched! VisceraEyes, Mayor Assassin, abandoned town to its own devices! Stutters695, Vanilla Townie, was modkilled! N2 Kills OOHCHILD, Town Nosy Neighbour, was killed! Mattchew, Vanilla Townie, was killed! Artanis[Xp], Town 2-shot Vigilante, was killed! D3 Lynch BloodyC0bbler, Mafia Doctor Mason, was lynched! raynpelikoneet, Town Nosy Neighbour, was lynched! N3 Kills supersoft, Town Pardoner Mason Roleblocker, was killed! D4 Lynch thrawn2112, Mafia Mason, was lynched! N4 Kills Koshi, Vanilla Townie, was killed! Don't know why I had to summarize that but there it is. List of players who are left from scum to town and my thoughts on them. Onegu - Don't know why I have to put two /b here to bold the name but anyways... active in other game not active here or something apparently. Also his reads don't develop in anything resembling a logical manner. Useless. Oatsmaster - SS top scum read. Making sense = scum Oats. Really bad vibes. LoneMeow - Super lurk mode activate! Logs don't make him look good. Useless. Coagulation - Useless. Case actually has been made against him. I don't really have any feelings on him. Probably a bad thing. Hopeless1der - Useless. No feelings on him. Probably a bad thing. If someone asked me to list players in this game from memory I wouldn't remember his name at all. austinmcc - I don't buy his Risen town to Risen scum shift. Nothing changed during the time he made the shift, and if you look at his posting he just moves right along towards me being scum. Alakaslam - Wish there was an area between bolded and unbolded null b/c he'd go there. I don't trust his laziness. His trolling stuff is too cool to be truly lazy. Pandain - Meh, after the smackdown he just gave me for calling out his logic on SB I like him a lot more. Would take some serious balls to do that as scum when you know I'm town. VayneAuthority - Holds to his MH claim way too hard, and I still maintain that his town reads on Thrawn and I were really weird. Not much else I don't like about him, though. Holyflare - Can't remember why I dropped my scum read on him. I was fine with his case against coag, seems to be holding to it without tunneling. Just wants people to talk about it. I can dig it. Grackaroni - Super bus of bussing would be a really good strategy. Probably worth a look into at mylo. Mr. Cheesecake - The pro-town lurker. I think he lurked and then delurked while playing pro-town. Only null because of lurkness. Mig - Stroked my ego and in spite oh how annoying I found him kept a cool head instead of poking me like scum would. Only null b/c of Mattchew shot. Risen - I know I'm town. | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Well Risen, if you didnt martyr and you played like you wanted to lynch scum and win the game, you probably wouldnt be in this position. What do you think about Hopeless and Onegu? There are like 3-4 people that I would lynch after Coag and thats way too many. There's quite a bit but the fact that I can understand his play recently is what's concerning to me. And as for the LM logs I mean his talk about BC and lack thereof is what concerns me. A lurking mason seems bad. A mason should be able to come into the thread with reads otherwise not available to people like me because they've had the opportunity to go 1 on 1 with someone. LM hasn't done this. | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:17 austinmcc wrote: A lot changed during the shift, Risen. You kept your vote on yourself, despite the "town needs to lynch scum in order to drop KP" argument being made multiple times. For all your posting, you seem to have no actual desire to do pro-town stuff, just post things to go through. Why do LM's logs look bad? Here's my problem, my vote was on myself during those arguments as well and at the time those arguments were made you still had me as town. So again, nothing really changed except me being afk during the time when Thrawn got lynched. | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: The most important thing that changed is that we lynched mafia and they only have 1 KP. Your filter, specifically because of the D3 no-vote on pandain, looked less likely to be mafia than thrawn. It was an odd angle, you didn't place what could have been a very mafia-favored vote if Pandain is town (and based on the votes, he most likely is). But the KP difference is the biggest thing that changed. I don't care so much today if people want to lynch or mislynch you, because on the off chance you're a mislynch, we stopped the bonus KP. But the way you conducted your posts and your votes over the last little bit isn't townie. It's not an afk issue, because you responded to having to be informed as to why lynching mafia and not martyrs was important yesterday. Despite responding to post(s) about dropping KP, you didn't move your vote. That's not afk, it's just purely not caring about town if, as you say, you're town. To scum, or not to scum, that is the question. | ||
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On November 26 2013 22:40 Onegu wrote: HF post why I am scum please. Austin town if risen town, HF and Koshi still scum. Still plan on voteing risen again when day starts. To many question marks without his flip. And still like SS dead man read on risen, plus BC shennanagins. The bolded line says everything you'll ever need to know about Onegu. There's no way he could possibly make a read like that as town. | ||
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On November 26 2013 21:58 Koshi wrote: supersoft wanted to kill Mocsta. Yamato wanted to kill: 1. BH 2. Onegu 3. Austin This is why Koshi died btw, imo. | ||
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##unvote ##vote: Onegu Driving to Vegas, no longer at computer but still present. Just don't expect me to be able to do stuff like make giant list posts until tomorrow morning. | ||
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On November 28 2013 10:19 Pandain wrote: Still not as scummy as risen Why? | ||
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On November 28 2013 10:32 austinmcc wrote: Cuz it did. Unfortunately, you were throwing around statements earlier today about how it didn't matter that I wanted to lynch thrawn, as he was going to be lynched anyway in a day or two. See posts like this: I know I'm just pointlessly arguing with scumRisen at this point, but at least have some dignity . You cannot argue all of these three things:
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On November 28 2013 11:28 austinmcc wrote: Risen, you seem to be implying in your posts that pushing thrawn and trying to get him lynched yesterday, getting folks to vote him, is alignment-neutral because thrawn would be lynched later on anyway. If that's not the case, you have curious scumreads. That's pretty much 100% what I'm implying/have said openly. | ||
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Option 1 I am lynched yesterday > scum get an additional kill or remove a vet shield Thrawn lynched today > people go back and look at who was on me, the reasons why, etc (they do this for other people as well and actually scum hunt) Option 2 Thrawn lynched yesterday > scum only kill 1 person I am lynched today > scum get a mislynch, but now a whole day has been wasted and no one is actively scum hunting. On top of this, people who lynched Thrawn get that juicy town cred, while those who were on me the first day look more suspect. | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:44 Holyflare wrote: With in-depth reasoning, why what they did was scummy at x point in time, etc etc. You're not going to get it. If you do get it, it will be right before I'm lynched. I'm driving to Vegas to visit with my sister and then it's Thanksgiving. I've already given up on being alive this game (see yesterday) I don't know why you think I'm going to put in that much effort when everyone else hasn't all day. You're the only one who actually made a case HF. "Oh but you're the one up for lynch Risen!" Yeah, I don't give a shit. PYP GET HYPE | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:45 Pandain wrote: Stop talking to risen and focus on other things Cmon man, I had you as not bold black :< On November 28 2013 11:46 Pandain wrote: I want to hear from Vayne why he thinks oats is town because he called him one of the townie at people in the game. Yes, let's do that instead of actually do anything ourselves. Yes, YES, BRILLIANT! | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:50 VayneAuthority wrote: me and oats are on the scumteam so im hard defending him ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Riq1ieO.jpg) Scum claim omg! Let's fill the thread with troll shit and create mass chaos so the discussion people are having with Risen gets swallowed CHOO CHOO! | ||
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For that matter, can someone link me to an actual case made against me? I don't think there is one. Scum has three members left. If I was one you'd think there would have been a more concerted effort for shenanigans. TL;DR: you're all sheeple who for one didn't use meta. Someone said they were lynching me based on meta earlier, but I can't remember who. Lynch that person. Seriously, find him. I'm not going to because now I'm pissed and want to die. That's not pro town! Yeah, fuck this town. Moving my vote back onto myself to fuck any possible last second shenans. No wonder rayn rage quit. Also, happy thanksgiving. ##unvote ##vote: Risen P.S. I was lying about all my reads. Nothing I've written is actually true, I was just spamming whatever I thought would help me live. | ||
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Godspeed town, foreman of the salt mines signing out! o7 | ||
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On December 08 2013 13:28 Holyflare wrote: Whc is not my meta though Don't know what your meta is. Just saw you as blatant town in WHC and not blatant town here vOv | ||
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On December 08 2013 13:38 Holyflare wrote: I dunno, a lot of people in this game seemed to pick up on "scum tells" that aren't real scum tells. Like misrepresenting someone isn't a tell, it's just being forgetful or misunderstanding sometimes. It's one thing to lie but to lie about something so obviously fact checkable is a thing i don't think scums would ever do. Well you were never in danger from me or Coag that's for sure. Like I said, a very well played game from scum. | ||
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Edit: Which says to me that you were open to the possibility of your lie being used. The thing about lying in mafia is that you can always say later that you were just joking. What if Coag gets lynched there, though? You have more town cred flowing out your ass than you'd know what to do with. | ||
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