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ITS NOT OVER ITS TOO LATE I WANT IT THAT WAY | ||
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I'll see how I can do | ||
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On November 13 2013 05:02 Grackaroni wrote: I will be voting for Kushm4sta whether he wants votes or not. I think that's a good idea | ||
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On November 04 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote: Signups:
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![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QkmxfyJl8vc/TmUOsFPj6YI/AAAAAAAAAHs/PUo4jAEJeU4/s1600/george.jpg) Who embodies this? Who should we vote for? You may guess now while I make a campaign for him. | ||
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shh working on my platform god damnit it grack you ruin every one of these games | ||
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Kushm4sta for mayor Please play this first: + Show Spoiler + I know this game everyone wants to inflate their dicks. A win right now for mayorship will be validation in the eyes of your town-mates. It will prove that not just you think you're good, but others think you are good. But think about the larger perspective. Won't it be funny, and a game to remember, if we have a Kush mayor? A mayor we cannot control? A day one lynch we have no understanding of? A double lynch we do not understand; a lurking mayor? ![[image loading]](http://wallike.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Friendship-Day-2013-210x145.jpg) We will look back to this game and be like "oh yeah, the game where kush ruined it for us as town, or get voted as scum mayor because of dumb Pandain and Grackaroni." Think about having a mayor which you literally cannot understand . A mayor who, after voting him, you will say why did I ever vote for him. But months from now, you will appreciate voting him for mayor because it made the game enjoyable. A year ago I had myself get a horrible bowl cut in school. I knew it looked retarded, but I did it because it would be funny, but in days to come(well, maybe years). There are memories which you need to forge now. This is actually better because the idea of a kush mayor will be funny now. Kushm4sta, if we do not give him this mayor election now, will never become mayor. This is his chance. Vote kush for mayor. | ||
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Have you ever ran for mayor as scum, VE. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:01 Sharrant wrote: While it would be very, very entertaining to elect Kush as the mayor, that's definitely a no. Think about how entertaining and vote with your dick and not your brain. | ||
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This is out of game but I'm noting now you do that a lot. Or do you actually believe all your tiny reads you get in the early game. | ||
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Why do you think he's town so far? I don't think effort is the town indicator you think it is, unless you're looking at something else which of course I may have missed. On November 15 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote: Now, while I may not be the first choice for most of you at this current point in time, I suggest that we hold off on voting for an actual mayor until later in the day. Obviously, blindly voting people into a mayoral role this early is extremely questionable as nobody has displayed any content at all. Also, later in the day I would have displayed the traits that I am best known for displaying as town and my contributions will most definitely be worth more then. If I have then gained your favour as an electoral candidate at that point then I thank you and I shall lead us onto (hopefully) another town victory. I don't like this by the way. I totally agree that the best canidate, in yamato's terms but it makes sense anyway, is to vote someone who wants to lynch a scum who you believe is scum. That will make my best vote, but it's not indicative. So right now, if I wasn't voting kush, I would be voting someone who is a good anazlyer probably VE because I think he's alright in the long term and is also town. Even if your town, we're not just trying to vote someone who is town. We want to vote a good analyzer because they get two votes each day. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote: This is a read I highly disagree with. Last two townreads out of you have been a bit dodgy ;] I think he is instead more dodgy honestly. I like how out there he is putting himself early for a VE, I don't think short bad posts like that are really scum indicative; indeed more town indicative. If you make a bad post like "this guy is town" but then don't justify yourself when its not immediately obvious, you put yourself under suspicion when you wouldn't want that as scum. As town you might not care. I don't think he really cares that much to justify himself. I get more a town feel. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at his bullet points and compare them with my post where I explain how I'll determine the lynch today. It's basically exactly the same. And it's not like he read mine and like copied it or whatever because he was writing that monstrosity...so I know that the way he'll select a lynch is just like the way I'll select a lynch. It's a townie mindset, at least to me because I know my own alignment. No it's not that's generic mayor stuff. Doesn't prove anything regardless of alignment, what else would he say? If he's scum he's not going to go against mayor sentiment and say "I will only vote for who I think is scum because he would never get voted that way. | ||
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If I think they're scum I'll unvote them, but the mere fact that they will get double votes in consecutive days after this leads me to believe being a good analyzer one of the prime things to look for, no? Because they're opinion is not only more influencial because they'll probably be good, it'll be worth more in close-scenario lynches. | ||
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On November 15 2013 09:01 Sharrant wrote: While it would be very, very entertaining to elect Kush as the mayor, that's definitely a no. Not comfortable with Yamato as mayor. Of the people who have posted I would vote VE, aside from him the only other two people I would think about voting at this point haven't posted (Supersoft and BC). I could die right now, and I would still consider this a great game because of this post. I think hopeless and this guy are scum so far. Early reads so don't hound me too much, but those are my thoughts. | ||
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I think Storr could be scum, but it's not certain yet and your reasons are pretty weak. You say he plays the noob card, but he did it in regards to "why not vote a noob like me mayor  " which doesn't help his cause which is what scum would normally do. Not inconceivable he just did it inherently but doesn't mean he's scum for that. Second I think you nitpick too much, he said he was still going to hunt for scum, hunt for scum is the same as hunting even when he said RNG, I think that's a bit too suspicious to say for a mayor canidateship. | ||
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I don't think he's a good scum faker. I like how he's pressuring people, I like how he's forcing people to talk, his posts seem care-free but also right (= town alot ) | ||
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Your posting sometimes seems forced to me as well. Is something wrong? | ||
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On November 15 2013 15:21 VayneAuthority wrote: gr7Ko+3bRpcIoLKlIqVAijhyCA2UlgW16VtDY4VCUJYEgN1JsK3JLt6xvKEX0jR1fRV/4OWuhmKUUsco5SW0ZSTSppvtHH8u[bluedoctor[/bluewxxfDgpJPk59cyQNemopauneFXkCU2VU0LUklKCWIY3IeliQ24MY433olpMTo4FOWVBCWS11MHr If I can find it others can find it. | ||
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oh well will be back tommorow to scum hunt more. | ||
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I do think he's very suspicious, but I would have imagined him to at least be doing some sort of analysis as scum. I mean he's definitely playing anti-town but I don't think it makes him scum. My advice would be to look for someone other then Grack who's more inherently scummy rather then just suspicious. I will be able to ascertain Grack's alignment by day two. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:36 yamato77 wrote: lonemeow hasn't posted in the thread yet masoned me interesting thought process Did he really I'm also a mason | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote: Kill people who claim to be mafia claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active) hunt scum lynch them with fire Why did you never then campaign for RNG. If you're mayor, then you wouldn't have extra time before you decide the lynch to do a fake RNG. Who do you think is town. Do you have any notes now. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about you look at the other points I made on grack, how about you take a gander at the town grack filter I provided and compare to this game. All you are doing currently is repeating shit others have said and defending yourself. How about some real contribution since youve been gone so long and plan to be absent a ton in the near future I think there are far better people then a suspicious troll Grack. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:41 VisceraEyes wrote: This assumes Yamato is applying any pressure to him in mason. Yamato isn't doing much in the thread at the moment, I have to assume he's not doing much in a mason chat either. It doesn't matter. The fact he masoned Yamato and the oppurtunity is there either means he doesn't know yamato, he's really confident in himself(anyone have confirmation on this? Wasn't he the guy who claimed doctor and then Mocsta counter-claimed him?), or he's town. Which do you think is more likely for a person who has played previous games? | ||
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I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts. On November 16 2013 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote: more excuses for my activity incoming. Rogers fixed my internet. Now I'm going out to start my weekend. gg. I read up on HolyFlare. I can see why rayn is pissing himself with rage. I can also see why HF would say "town read". Rayn looks better imo, but I dont see anything malicious about HF. I wonder why Matt ignored his questions about me. Maybe he only takes request from VE. Still dont know who to call scum Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out. On November 15 2013 08:34 Hopeless1der wrote: you lost me there storr...come again? useless On November 15 2013 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote: That's not much of a running platform yam. useless On November 15 2013 02:37 Hopeless1der wrote: yam's got my vote trololjk useless he's usually not useless To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him. | ||
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I think Yamato is going to end up lynching my scum reads and agree with me, we tend to agree on the same things actually. | ||
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I think it would be interesting to get to know you better | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote: it's not even that bad. mafia shoot him, which is actually a good thing considering his otherwise lurky nature, or he lives and masons people and mafia can't do anything else about it I did think about this, and it is not a big deal at all. Honestly this is pretty weak Yamato. Even if it's not a bad thing and unlikely to change things, it provides scum with more information that they could use and town with less information that they could use. Scum could easily think he's blue and try to snipe him. In late-game scenarios it may help them narrow down possible roles. I think you must have just made a piss poor play as while it was interesting to note, it wasn't the right decision to out him at that time. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:32 yamato77 wrote: Why hopeless? I mean, he's always useless. I don't think he's just being useless he's being scummy while being useless. No reads at all, apologizing | ||
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If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them. Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means. | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:58 Blazinghand wrote: Sock head > sock is like soccer, which is known as football = football head Also the first word of the post is "hey" and you know who is referred to by "hey, football head!" that's right, it's Arnold from Hey Arnold. And you know who Arnold is? Yes that is right, I am the tracker, don't lynch me, you are all jubjubs for even thinking about doing it, especially you Yamato That is not a breadcrumb are you dumb. The fact he even said it was a breadcrumb is so bad | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: HAHAHAH BH <3 What is this then. You thought it was a joke? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:20 Blazinghand wrote: um yes duh this is how I normally crumb What do you think about the fact your going to get roleblocked | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:31 austinmcc wrote: Please don't engage with BH about the claim. It's 100% not going to lead anywhere useful. BH. There are SIX people with S names in this game. Almost 20% of the playerbase has names that start with the same letter. Do you believe this to be some kind of conspiracy, or no? Either way, can you actually read 2 of the S names and tell me what you think about them? Someone just claims tracker and you don't think that will lead anywhere? Lol | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:35 austinmcc wrote: Did you read the claim and the responses? Ask him 2000 times whether it's real or not. What happens? He continues to give trolly answers and enjoy himself, and you actually don't know whether it's truthful or no. Asking him generates no answers for you, but posts in thread in which BH trolls. That's it. Poking at him about it generates nothing useful. It generates plenty of useful information in that he gave a retarded role claim with a-b-c-d-e-f-g with g being cop which happens to be tracker logic. Please. I cannot believe you would even say to stop interrogating BH after an objectively sketchy role-claim. If he's scum, then a town could easily be like "No I'm tracker", which would lead to an actual tracker that could be roleblocked and killed. Or suicide-bombed. More interesting then this is Rayn. When faced with a sketchy role-claim at poor timing with poor crumb, he reacts with acceptance and happiness. What? Lol that's just scum trying to post impropmptu to seem town I will only vote for someone who will lynch BH, Rayn, or Mig and they are who should be killed. | ||
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You can't read me. Every town game you think I'm scum too. I am never seemingly town in any thread actually. I think that's a succesful meta on my part but basically you are so sketchy and I love how you now are so active in defending yourself. | ||
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No I think he's town but you should be able to tell I'm town by now | ||
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You realize if he's town then actual town trackers would claim in thread, right? | ||
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VE is okay but he's not the best. Supersoft can come off as brash but he's also town(anyone disagree, please tell why) and a far better analyzer. I'm masoned with him and think this would be best weapon against scum. | ||
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I don't like how he's not making strong opinions like he did in the past game where he went after people and helped along with me and you lead town to victory. Also he shared his notes | ||
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Furthermore even if he is scum, if mig was scum it's very likely that he would at least bus one of his teammates whos unlikely to get lynched aka mocsta. | ||
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I think that you suddenly being only defensive and caught on this is interesting. What happened to you campaigning for mayor, or you wanting holyflare lynched. Don't think mayor canidates are doing that rayn. Rayn why are you not hunting for scum and instead happy to defend yourself about a troll bh | ||
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Rayn posts like that when he is scum reacting. His post was fast, lighthearted, and didn't fit the situation. BH just did a bad roleclaim with bad breadcrumbs, bad timing, and rayn instead of THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS ABOUT A PERSON WHO JUST CLAIMED TRACKER goes "oh you, BH <3". That means if BH is town then rayn is almost certaintly scum for his response to BH's claim. You could have fautily believed him and not though it through. Rayn says he didn't really think about it. | ||
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This is like a cop claiming. There is nothing more important then analyzing that claim and then seeing the reactions to that claim. In rayn's case it was a lighthearted post and then a back-track which was too defensive | ||
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On November 17 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: I will use my vote if necessary to make sure supersoft or BC does not get into power, that's a promise! You can learn a lot of things from the flowers... Huh! Seems to me they could learn a few things about manners! Are your reasons for not voting him still that he's a dick? | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:14 Holyflare wrote: I do not mind who gets mayor between SS and VE because I feel both of them will listen to what everyone is saying and both have relatively good town reads from me. Not to mention the vest would be on the 2 people I think would be likely targets to be shot tonight. VE has shit targets though so I guess I would prefer him as pardoner. SS doesn't have too great choices but as he just stated he wants to listen to thread sentiment and cases. What I'm saying is that you should vote SS if you're between VE and SS because VE wants SS to be mayor instead and has indeed backed out. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:25 Koshi wrote: No. But what did you say in your mason chat to supersoft that he thinks you are scum? I don't know I think it's that I didn't want to vote him right away. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:53 Mattchew wrote: i am not supportive of the SS wagon, i dont really like the way its developed Soft is town. vE is town and supporting him. What don't you like about it and please don't be like its too fast because that actually rarely means scum | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:00 Mattchew wrote: he does not read nearly as strongly town as Yam or VE imo. I doubt that scum make 0 push for the mayoral position and this feels like a desperate scum push for a mayor candidate to get into the mix There are plenty of people who ran for mayor. The people who got votes are the ones who people think are town it's not surprising these are the major choices | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:03 Mattchew wrote: so you dont think scum are voting on anyone with tainted reads? I'm sure they are which is why I'm more confident in my Rayn/Vayne views. I truly SS more then VE or Yamato, and he's a better analyzer | ||
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Are you going to change off of VE? | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:19 Koshi wrote: No. But I like ss more than yamato atm. Can you quickly comment on VE, SS and Yam? They're all town in my eyes. 95% certain in Yamato/ VE. SS I've been told is a better analyzer. I've masoned and I agree he is very skilled and smarter( in terms of mafia) then VE or yam | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:50 Pandain wrote: I think the fact VE took his vote off himself also might say he's less confident in his reads which is fine. Don't vote someone who doesn't think he should be mayor Kosh what about this | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:02 supersoft wrote: Which posts give you that impression? We have 15 minutes until I probably have to decide. I doubt that VE shows up and even if he shows up, i guess he'll consider mocsta, too... Town reads are the only thing I'm comfortable with. In previous games whenever I thought someone was town I was usually right. It's the people I'm not sure about vs. scum who I have a problem with, almost never with who is town. See Clarity_NL in a previous game . | ||
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I wasn't absolutely sure but I didn't think a scum player would play like that. And yes, I got quite good at evaluating who is town and simply who is suspicious by being scum three times in a row. Unfortunately that doesn't hold true for suspicious into scum. | ||
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Yes I do think he would. That's the worst thing and why I favor a Rayn lynch first. However even though I think he would do it as town I find it distinctly anti-town as it would motivate trackers to counter-claim. That is what I'm caught up on and he never addressed it. Mocsta in my previous games I think he's always been town. I don't know what his scum play would look like but it's not this. To be frank, bad reads with a lot of effort with weird arguments are making me think he's town. This is what he's done in previous games. Scum try to hide from doing obvious bad arguments and the Mocsta post was unforced and bad. All this is making me think he's town. And yes the effort does help him though I don't think he couldn't do it as scum. That was my first thought. re-reading him his non-analysis cases make me lean towards scum, especially this post On November 15 2013 23:55 Mocsta wrote: there's a difference thinking someone is scum and wanting to lynch them. I'm not going to say anything else on the matter. we can agree to disagree. but I definitely don't think he would have been a good lynch today or a good lynch tomorrow. I don't think he'll ever buss much because if he does he'll be alone by the end and a sole scum Mocsta should be easy to find anyway. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:17 Blazinghand wrote: it was Fine time to claim hey welcome after the lynch | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:20 VayneAuthority wrote: actually a pretty good lynch, LM should be heavily scrutinized at this point. I don't think pandain would actually call me scum if he was scum since it just looks so irrational. It would really be a stretch. Also btw, if history tells us anything, one of the people in power are scum I heavily doubt it unless scum went balls to the walls and voted for their scum mate. That means one of their members has to be one of the towniest looking people in Yam, VE, or SS. So your argument relies on the fact that one of the towniest members is not townie because scum had to try for mayor which isn't true at all. In fact that's why I'm suspicious of those who didn't vote SS because I do believe him to be the best analyzer . | ||
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aka we shouldn't rely on it. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:26 Grackaroni wrote: @pandain: I'm just confused with what you actually believe about Storrzerg. First you said that him using the newb card was scummy and then you said that he's probably not scum because scum wouldn't try to run for mayor and use the newb card like he did. Did he keep using it after people called him out for it or is there something else I am missing? No I thought he was more scummy for using the newb card while running for mayor | ||
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My only reason to lynch him would be set-up wise and that never ends up well. Four masons and I would reconsider. But scum masons probably won't even use their powers to be honest because then it will force a lynch. | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:38 VayneAuthority wrote: Reconsider from a timeline standpoint. Masoning yamato looks great...until a mason randomly flips for the night kill. Logic Can you explain this not following you. | ||
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My opinion is that he used his powers early, in fact I was thinking(need to read OP's more, I'm actually genuinely sorry Marv) that you choose a mason partner at night like normal. Immediate doing yamato, and his later casting suspicion on yamato, just doesn't make me read scum at all. Anyone who got masoned should claim so. Anyone disagree? | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:02 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not - to me - so I'm gonna wait. Do you know the identity of the other guy? Is that guy equally not suspicious? | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes that guy is equally not suspicious. That's why I'm having a hard time here. I'll out them before the night is up I think. That's probably the best way. I agree with that, though I'm interested in what's happening. If they're really really not suspicious then I wouldn't out them honestly. No reason to give scum more information; reason I suggest it is because me and lone are already known, so the two remaining would only be one more role that scum would know vs possibly one more scum that we would find. | ||
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Re-read Rayn way less confident but can't really back down I'm too invested. + Show Spoiler + just kidding only somewhat suspicious actually I'm going to ignore rayn for now so if you're scum congratz I think one of the two masons that VE is talking about *might* be scum. I think two of OOHChild/Oats/Mattchew/Coag scum. That's my new pandain guess | ||
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On November 17 2013 12:03 austinmcc wrote: People who are counting masons should stop, we can poke around that later as some die off and we've got a smaller pool to work with. I have also been contacted by a mason. So the pool is sizeable. VE, why skan in particular? I see not giving a shit about helping us win, but why skan out of the group of players not helping us win? In light of this I heavily suggest VE not reveal who he is masoned with and we stick to analysis instead. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:53 StorrZerg wrote: isn't this kind of a bad idea if mafia have a Suicide Bomber if your mafia, seems like a good play to get rid of a strong town, and get rid of docs and w/e else is on bc. I can't see why you as town would make this kind of a call with a possible Suicide bomber in the game Maybe this is some meta shit im not aware of, but it seems pretty silly to make this kind of a call.. No because it relies on mafia assuming medics follow supersofts advice which is far from certain. And that assumption has to be strong enough to losing a mafia member in the hopes of getting two kills | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote: who do you think is town and why? I'm really lost. I can question almost all of my townreads and I hate games like this. Lynch BH, then lynch Vayne. Good follow-up so far. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:32 yamato77 wrote: Why do you like my follow up when I think the guy you voted for is scummy and I think Vayne is town? Did you even read my posts? I'm talking about me I like my own plan for tommorow and the day after. I think you're wrong about SS and in fact know you're wrong after talking to him in Mason. And whenever you think Vayne is town he's scum and whenever you think he's scum he's town. Vayne is playing too passive this game and while he does that as scum, he's also not really pushing anyone while previously his posts would help guide people. This time he's just giving reflectful commentary. | ||
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The fact he's just started to get really active at night doesn't prove anything actually. Scum or town BH would start being active now. Instead it's more important to realize he has been effectively afk during the thread with no real thread presence except defending himself and that is pretty unacceptable. His tracker claim is absoltely awful play as town and okay play as scum. He varies between being active and always posting whenever he's mentioned and then not posting at all besides. Which is pretty suspicious to me. While I'll agree the claim makes sense compared to his previous crumbs, he claimed 6 hours before mayor lynch would even be decided. Which doesn't make sense from a town perspective who wants to win, who wouldn't claim a blue role unless he was then going to do something with it. BH claimed tracker and then didn't do anything with it except with his defense. This contrasts with his Heavyweight claim where he did claim early(did he? Can't remember how early) and then he pushed and used his town prescence to get a scum claim. BH's claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Him defending his claim actually makes it twice as worse. He comes back night one and then has a scum read on Grack. Great. okay | ||
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This is unacceptable and is also a pretty good lynch. Don't say that this is always Stutters play because he played damn better in ##. And he said he was going to lurk alot in his scum game with me when we were both scum. The part for BH that I can't get over is that he justifies his claim which is the main force certifying my scum read of him. | ||
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Blazinghand is tracker and claims tracker -Reveals he is tracker -Invites him to be roleblocked and cause the second most important blue role to be roleblocked -Invites a kill on him at night If it was last minute, alright. Even last hour maybe if Yamato was in the lead. However Yamato was ahead by one vote, in fact BH didn't read this but actually a minute before BH claimed VE was in the lead by one vote. This was also 6 hours before and there was really no certainty that Yamato was going to be mayor. Please address this BH if you want. Conclusion if town: Poor play, town but didn't think it through BH is town, not tracker, claims tracker -Manages to get Yamato/others off his ass -Gets town cred and is town(although it's misleading town cred) -Has to justify it later but w/e king of shenanies. -Invites mafia roleblocks/kills on a non-important role. However this is poor play because it invites the real tracker to then claim in thread which would be absolutely awful because then mafia would know that is the true tracker. Conclusion: Good claim but with terrible drawback that could lead to clusterfuck Because of this, it is undeniable poor play and a bad claim. I would understand if BH made a mistake because it seems a BH thing to do. However the fact he still stands by his claim really makes him scum in my eyes because he's trying to justify poor play when it's objectively bad play. There are no good reasons. Blazinghand is thus mafia justifying a poor claim. I'm attributing this to him pulling a shennanie akin to the wrestling mafia game, and it's backfired. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: can you link to where he said that? Can't find it in my QT so maybe I'm confusing him with another person. Even if I was mafia though I wouldn't purposely spout lies. Still makes his play unacceptable with a meta slight confirmation in my favor when you compare his play with ## | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: I remain curious about this. We don't know if there IS a tracker. If there is a tracker, we don't know how many. (1) Why does there have to be a tracker? (2) Why would some other tracker claim, given that setup is semi-open, and he doesn't know how many trackers there are? (3) IF there could only be one tracker, and BH claims tracker, why would the real tracker claim? Doesn't he believe now that BH is scum for fakeclaiming? Why does he reveal himself as a tracker when he COULD just call BH scum, get people to try and lynch BH (because let's be honest, BH hadn't done anything that really made him look super townie)? 1.If you don't think there's a tracker when masons stack with other roles and there are 30 people...; I mean it's possible but very unlikely esp. since suicide bomber would invite roles like tracker existing 2. It's poor play but people do it all the time. See doctors counterclaiming doctors and roles counterclaiming roles. Hell I did it but it was okay because Mason is less important. If BH has your mindset, then it's even worse play as town because it doesn't really confirm him and yet better play as scum because no one will counter-claim. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:40 Pandain wrote: Can't find it in my QT so maybe I'm confusing him with another person. Even if I was mafia though I wouldn't purposely spout lies. Still makes his play unacceptable with a meta slight confirmation in my favor when you compare his play with ## cooperative how. Maybe I'll switch to Vayne or Stutters. | ||
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I think it's impossible BH is tracker. And a town BH claiming does invite other people claiming I'm sorry but that is a fact and BH has played enough games to know that. And why would he fake-claim to get people off of his back when there are better ways (aka using a vote on VE, arguing for VE). I don't like how he's been active but poorly active throughout day one, and he's had time to play and yet played like he didn't. It's easy for a busy scum to justify his play by being busy; it's remarkable how town who are busy still have ways to contribute | ||
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His responses have not been in his favor. Didn't rayn make a fake-claim as scum in witchcraft? Haven't you guys learned? | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:56 OOHCHILD wrote: woulld scum bh really fake claim tracker? seems unlikely I'm sure scum BH would love fake-claiming tracker as scum he would be the first person to do such a thing. | ||
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On April 14 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: I agree strongly. In this setup the cop will basically HAVE to claim D1 since we'll be at lylo, and claiming N0 is superior to claiming D1. Guaranteeing the cop surviving the night is worth it. I am the cop. Woah what is this I wondered what he turned hmmm | ||
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Comes in halfway through, does typical RNG shit, runs for mayor, that's it. Then has a scum read on Grack. ok | ||
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On November 17 2013 10:09 Mattchew wrote: are you kidding VE? On November 17 2013 07:53 Mattchew wrote: i am not supportive of the SS wagon, i dont really like the way its developed | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:26 supersoft wrote: Another interesting fact is, that i wanted to kill mocsta. Now we have to look who was there at the time, who didnt unvote me and who tried to convince me not to kill mocsta .... pandain? ;-) yeah yeah I was wrong ok | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote: Can anyone convince me that mocsta and oatsmaster would talk to eachother like that as a scum team? otherwise I don't buy oats being scum at all. I don't think it's impossible Oats distances himself a lot as scum. But yeah it would be pretty ballsy since Oats basically disagrees with everything Mocsta says. | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think he promised reads on the resolution period which he obviously failed to deliver. So i don't give a fuck what he says about Mocsta now. what is this about | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think mocsta even mentions BH once, so between that and the 2 trackers poppin' up he looks like trash. Why you have your vote on oats over that is beyond me pandain. mocsta kinda confirms supersoft as town as well through his filter, although this one isn't as strong. But I am slowly shrinking my list rapidly with all the info from mocsta's filter. As I said I think they're both scum, not that Oats is scum and I've changed my mind on BH. I'm just debating who to choose between BH and Oats. I disagree that he wouldn't be able to call out Mocsta on a lot of things especially since Mocsta really wasn't a top priority for basically the entire thread. Also I've strangely turned and trust SS over myself a lot now. The main thing about Oats that I'm thinking is that he really isn't aggressive to anyone(besides maybe Mocsta but he isn't even that arguable). He didn't push any lynches, he was just like commentarical aggressive. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:41 thrawn2112 wrote: panda i'll vouch for bh. he's been townily cooperative in mason chat Can you talk about your mason chat now? | ||
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You also still think Austin is scum and didn't explain | ||
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He has been pushing people and giving opinions and putting effort in. Without him thread would probably have like 20 pages less. | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote: you think BH as scum just lol-claimed tracker D1? He's claimed survivor and cop before in scum games. | ||
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On November 18 2013 12:54 VayneAuthority wrote: timeline timeline timeline...BH claimed tracker before 2 flipped on the nightpost, which nobody knew was going to happen. Order of events always seems to be something overlooked. So what do you think it means | ||
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You eventually realize, like I'm sure BH has, that fakeclaims are really only useful as scum. If you're town, they only cast doubt on you. You can sometimes use it(claiming cop) to lynch someone, or try to draw roleblocks/shots. However BH wouldn't just let himself die because I would imagine he has a high opinion of himself. Furthermore, he's past the days of claiming for shots/roleblocks because it's not that useful in this game. A fakeclaim for him would make sense if he was Vet, but it actually makes even further sense if you have a history of fake-claims and thus can make up a town reason for a scum fakeclaim. Rather then his fake-claim itself being scum, I'm actually changing my mind and saying the more scummy aspects are his timings and his poor un-town play outside of the claim. Him running for mayor and sticking to a typical BH RNG lynch do not help him, we all know BH by now would support an RNG claim. He later followed up his play with a scum read on Grack(wrong and easy to make) and warned you against Yamato(some people thought this, I never did, his reasons were weak anyway and circumstansial). I don't think trackers dying prove anything because BH has never been a tracker. Re-reading my games, I'm remembering how to fake-claim. Also I've realized that I need to stop being a stubborn asshole and think about my reads so right now everyone but these people I have reads on, which is why I haven't responded you on austinmcc because I've realized there's more to it then I've thought. Town: Supersoft Scum: Blazinghand There might be someone better then BH but I'll look at it later, but even if he's telling you he's vet, vt, or assasin, scum do that all the time. I did that all the time when I was scum. | ||
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But there's a smaller chance when it's a scummy BH fakeclaiming for town's benefit. | ||
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Probably makes him more town to be honest | ||
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On November 18 2013 14:33 thrawn2112 wrote: earlier you said if BH is town then that changes everything about how you view the game. has it and if so how? Yes I'm learning I still have a lot to learn | ||
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Doesn't mean that that town tell is hard to make because usually you draw suspicion on yourself to make that town tell | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Does that seem townie to you? Avoid suspicion? | ||
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(And no it's not about wifom/guessing games.) It's an analysis of whether or not BH wants to draw suspicion to himself. Most people don't. Now I do sometimes as scum and it doesn't exclude him from being scum, but it helps hint that he might be town. Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now | ||
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Still leaning scum in other areas. But there will probably be a better lynch tomorrow then BH | ||
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On November 18 2013 15:03 Grackaroni wrote: Did you look at my Koshi case Pandain? No I haven't I'll look later | ||
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On November 18 2013 15:17 Oatsmaster wrote: as in knowing its fake, or the claim? Again, claiming as scum who is gonna get lynched is NEVER bad. The problem is that he simply didn't want to deal with defending himself. He claims he didn't have time, I think he would have, but that seems like a BH thing to do to simply fakeclaim. It actually makes less sense if the only motive is to avoid getting lynched. That doesn't actually make sense if he's scum to fake claim in order to not get lynched 6 hours before | ||
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Why would scum fake claim 6 hours before? | ||
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It's convenience posting for me until I fall asleep | ||
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If anything keep it secret and then surprise them; good job whoever shot Mocsta | ||
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On November 18 2013 15:54 Oatsmaster wrote: because yamato wanted to kill him and he possibly couldnt post between 6-0 before the deadline. Why would town fake claim 6 hours before? Oh stop he posted afterwards and it makes sense if you don't want to get lynched and don't have time to fully commit day one as town. This is the last I'll post of this since Grack wants me to stop, though I'm a bit irritated he doesn't see that I'm not even concerned about BH that much anymore | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:01 thrawn2112 wrote: pandain can you answer this? you said: this implies that a change in your BH read will greatly influence your thoughts on this current game. so has it? No I meant how to play mafia and I would be wrong on how I approach the game and think things | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:36 Grackaroni wrote: lol I'm like the only person doing much of anything and you complain that I make comments like I normally do in order to make people take me less seriously. That's absurd. I say things like that every game I play and you play with me all the time. You are full of shit. I went back into Golden Sun. Your entire claim that game was an S = Survivor, which was taken from a random S + Q within your post. When people asked you what the Q was you went. "Whaaaaat? You think I'm just going to leave a random S in my post? Get real!" This claim was more methodical. You didn't just happen to make that reference in your first line in your first post. You pre-planned the connection for a tracker claim. no they were both bullshit + Show Spoiler + what pandain stop commenting on BH even though you're helping me | ||
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He also has done analysis, his mason with me was very good and he gave thoughts on lots of people. Stop harassing him | ||
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The top 2 lynch candidates are both town. Do you really need to do these shenanigans? I would consider instead to cast shit on the people that led the lynch onto the two town wagons (hopefully they arent scum) --- > setting them up for lynch day 2. That is solid advice. My extra bit is: (1) Identify the core issue that town has with you. (this should be clear from the case) (2) Come up with a reason for this behaviour [You can ask us for advice here - to be frank, I havent read the game since the NK] (3) PROVIDE A COUNTER-CASE. Its all good diverting attention; but you need to give town another bone to pick with. This is essential; and is the quintessential hallmark of strong town play. "Im town you idiots... this is the guy you should be focusing on" And most improtantly this Also, I disagree that GGTemplar should help SagaZ. [But that is because Me/Pandain play scum differently. There is no right/wrong; just a matter of preference] In my opinion: if SagaZ looks like being an imminent lynch, Templar needs to jump on that wagon ASAP to retain that town status. The key to this (if you choose to go this path) is to not mull over alternatives too hard.. this will make the bus look obvious. The best way is to have a case on somebody else, and you keep saying.. well Saga could be scummy; but this guy <insert whoever> is DEFINITELY scummy. I have to vote for the best chance to flip scum. etc etc. If possible; GGTemplar comes out first with counter case; and SagaZ should counter-case on somebody else (or again, will look like team work)... If sagaz looks real bad, maybe counter case on Balla (which will make balla look better post-flip) He advocates bussing but never outright bussing. Others have said he has never bussed before. I agree he would not bus Grack in this case | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:19 Onegu wrote: Hello fellow team liquidians. Sorry I have been busy for the day. Im am also going to run for mayor. First if I am elected I will not listen to anyone as they may corrupt my thoughts, and you dont want a corrupt mayor. Second I will not shoot at scum with my day one lynch, I will find and kill 3p, this gets rid of two people that do not have pro town ideals, instead of just one. With this in mind it is obvious I am the best choice for mayor. UNCORRUPTABLE FOR LXIII PS from this game on I will put sorry in every first post every game. PPS Yes Im serious This is really bad Onegu. A mayor promising to lynch third party? If this is serious it's so ridiculous he's probably scum. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote: Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions. Also pretty bad analysis because he was probably doing more then anyone else and still analyzing. + Show Spoiler + I think Holy is suspicious, haven't analyzed him yet though. | ||
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On November 19 2013 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually worst-case scenario is we lynch a Town Tracker....right? Nah worse is he's actually doctor hahaha | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote: Track results? I guess no one cares, and since BH still hasnt posted them I have to assume he doesn't have them. ##Vote: Blazinghand @Austin if BH ends up claiming your actions correctly, you're the only one that can stop us from mislynching. Does this literally mean you aren't reading the thread at all because it was 100% obvious by then if you were reading the thread that he fakeclaimed | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote: dat list post town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush Not Town: LM, BH Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam Can you explain your town reads especially on Rayn, Risen, CC | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:44 VayneAuthority wrote: The only real tie-in coag has would be if VE was scum, and that remains to be seen. otherwise I would put him in confirmed town I think your reasoning for this is false and I find Coagulation suspicious. He actually does more as town in the games I went over then in his scum game(although admittedly he had replaced in it.) Prove to me he does nothing as scum, I think he does very little as either alignment but he is far more evident in his opinions as town while he just relishes in lurking as scum. | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:07 LoneMeow wrote: Pandain, you wanted Mig lynched earlier, has your read on him changed and if so, what made that happen? I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag). He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough. Mig and SS are my strongest town reads. | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:19 LoneMeow wrote: Is there anything besides the spreadsheet you could point out that makes him look like town to you? Playing pretty similar to Whiteflag although he's pushing people less. Notes are pretty definitive for me though, unless there's evidence that he's scum he's safe for days to come | ||
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On November 19 2013 15:13 Pandain wrote: Alright Risen please justify it. Furthermore it's quite weird to me that you're even pushing me with awful reasoning. It's 15-2-1-1-1 with me having one vote. The fact you're even pushing an impossible lynch is mind boggling to me Also unless you justify this you're on my scum list | ||
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Further evidence you don't read the thread which probably means your town. No, it's a double lynch tomorrow. Furthermore, if you thought it was a double lynch, where would your other 'vote' go | ||
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Claiming Assassin doesn't help BH gain town cred and it doesn't help him figure out anything about you. In essence, it serves no town benefit. If you're fake-claiming for no town reason then that only leaves scum reasons. I've been going through the list, up to Vayne now. I don't have high priority for your questions because you've been quite condenscending towards me. | ||
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He's fake-claimed twice, others have noted he's never fake-claimed as town before which is surprising but also relevant to this. Now he's fake-claimed twice. I don't disagree he might be town, but it would be bad town play to not lynch him | ||
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His fake claim of being assassin didn't make sense as town(doesn't get benefit out of it). That is where I have changed my mind. I don't think town BH, faced with someone who masons him, just claims Assassin to avoid getting shot. I don't think town BH, who is apparently busy, decides to then make another fake-claim and say he's tracker in thread. This is a web of discourse that BH is spinning that ultimately shows that his shady play, uncharacteristic of his his normal town play, is not playing town. I don't disagree that there are reasons to claim Assassin from a possible town, but I said that BH might be town. I just said that they're absolutely illogical, and coupled with his other play would be poor play to not lynch him today. | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not the point what he said but what he did. Yes he said he could lynch Mocsta. What he did is this: Say he will read Mocsta. Say he will lynch Hopeless/Coag, still reading Mocsta, and hiro. (after 5min) "okay i guess i can lynch Mocsta". Still reading Hiro and Mocsta again. After deadline does not tell VE to lynch Mocsta. After VE lynches Skan does not bring Mocsta up, says "i guess that was an ok lynch, Mocsta was better but it's D1 so i could be wrong". Never brings Mocsta up again but makes a case on Oats on N1. Does this look like a legit read evolvement on someone? Seems fine to me ESP when you think about information you're ignoring | ||
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No one thought VE was going to come back, or if they did they were being dumb. VE only came back AFTER deadline, he had changed his vote to SS, and it is clear that he probably thought he wasn't going to be mayor. I don't know why you're even making it a thing that VE 'of course' was going to be back at deadline. Despite all the town things SS is doing, you're negating them by saying "he could have back tracked". You're right Rayn, he could've. He would've taken shit for it though;it would've been suspicious. He's posted more useful things then really anyone else and he didn't manage to spam the thread so please stop even trying to make the claim that he could be scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Might aswell put this here: Pandain: I don't like this post at all: (#1289) Earlier on he "called Mocsta out" for his bad case on Storr. But he uses same (invalid) evidence in calling Storr scum (the newbie-card, which Storr never actually used). Also his stance on Hopeless is shit and what he says does not make Hopeless scum. (#1438) Does not want to vote for VE for mayor because "he might end up lynching non-scum". But earlier on he said VE is better analyst than yamato, and said mayor should be selected by not looking only D1 lynch and who is better analyst overall. Contradicting himself. (#1713) Now Storr is town because he is playing the noob card so much. But he was just scum for it? (#1718) Another bad justification for scumread on Hopeless. Then there is this BH claim thing. I kinda get Pandain from town pov from that whole mess. What i don't get is that he attacks me "for believing BH's claim" which i definitely did not do, then he wastes a fuckton of posts in arguing about the claim, useless. Also does not attack Grack who actually DID say he believed BH's claim lol. "You can never read me as scum Rayn, you have never been close to lynching me." -> This is completely incorrect, in Thug life i told Koshi to shoot Pandain and he did (we were too busy lynching other scum), in Hogwarts i figured Pandain was scum on N1, had no time to lynch him, but saying i can't read him is wrong. This is a kind of defense Pandain uses as scum, saying things like "I have literally been town the whole game" or "You can't possibly think i am scum". Yes that's what he actually says as scum when someone accuses him. "I think Vayne is scum he's playing like ##." Vayne is playing nothing like in ##. Interestingly enough Pandain trust supersoft as 100% town as he has masoned him, but supersoft calls Pandain definitely scum in one of his last posts before D1 end. Pandain's read on me is terrible. He never explains why he thinks i am scum. Last game where i was actually scum Pandain made a big case on me so i would think he feel comfortable in reading me if he is town (while the case was in fact bullshit). Instead of making a case he gives no reasoning but keeps on saying "i could support rayn lynch the most". Pandain's case on BH regarding BH's claim is terrible. Honestly, it's so really bad. Then suddenly, when BH "un-claims" he staright out believes BH to be town for that.. Suddenly he has a scumread on Oats, he has never mentioned Oats before in this game. Read on Austin is "austin's been fine, he's been pushing people and giving opinions", unfortunately that does not mean anything at all - and austin has NOT been pushing people. He says this about BH: "Based on his fakeclaim alone he's actually town. There are better places to argue now" So in case he knows BH is fakeclaiming he can say anything he wants about BH (which he did, like 3 pages of his filter) - and when BH unclaims he can just flush it all away with this. Nothing matters any more. Good plan if they are scum or if Pandain believed BH was fakeclaiming in the first place (he called BH's claim fake in the first place so this actually is true in any case lol). After this he defends BH's original claim (why would scum claim 6h before the deadline) - but earlier on he attacked BH for same reasons? (#3326) This post is totally wrong, supersoft was not "basically mayor already", supersoft did not "want to lynch Mocsta", supersoft brings Mocsta up AT THE FIRST TIME IN HIS FILTER 3 minutes before the deadline!!!! Supersoft has not done ANY analysis at all, his filter is shit. This post is totally misleading analysis of supersoft. Then there is this "this makes Onegu scum but he is town" analysis. TLDR; Pandain's reasoning for his reads makes no sense at all. His play is all over the place and there is no direction. There is no logical train of thought and he seems to be trying to achieve nothing besides just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. This all have i said before lol. ^^ And like i said before, he is scum. * Post numbers before comments are the post numbers in thread. Can you explain to me how to quickly find the quotes you're referencing so I can just stop this as well | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote: This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame. WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. Can you explain to me why you think BC is town? Or at least I got that impression from you in our chats and in thread. I think BC is either scum or playing poorly, and I don't think I can decide that yet to make a definitive decision to lynch him tomorrow. I'll explain my analysis: 1. He berated rayn for trying to find masons, yet in our first post in our mason chat he revealed something connected to you that I'm sure you know today. So that doesn't make sense. And I don't think I was town enough to justify revealing that info. 2. I revealed my mig notes' discovery which I felt pretty much definitively proved Mig is town. I don't like how BC was hesistant giving him a high town read. Here's his quote: yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely It says he's town, but I don't like how it just seems hesistant. Maybe I'm overthinking this part. I looked over his town and scum games and the biggest thing that I found to differentiate them is that Town BC will find something suspicious and then analyze it himself. Scum BC will simply note it(until of course he gives a later big analysis) . I don't like other areas of BC's play either On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list Just seems weird to me, add that I think his grack analysis was pretty poor. "HF, if you keep this up, we'll lynch you!" Guess scum HF now knows what to do. And other stuff like that, I can explain more if you want | ||
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On November 16 2013 09:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Vayne, what merit does BH lynching you have? On November 16 2013 10:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about you look at the other points I made on grack, how about you take a gander at the town grack filter I provided and compare to this game. All you are doing currently is repeating shit others have said and defending yourself. How about some real contribution since youve been gone so long and plan to be absent a ton in the near future On November 16 2013 12:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone else finding it odd that its taken bh more than 3 hours to catch up and post something? | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:27 Mattchew wrote: ss pan and BC all seem like really good kills Mattchew you keep inviting yourself to get lynched | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: Tomorrow we lynch Koshi + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 23:43 Koshi wrote: supersoft Do you really want to be Mayor? Your first post: Your second post is you trying to stir up Yamato/VE who were at that point the most active posters in the thread that also wanted to be Mayor. The same second that you posted this you should have known that they would be mad. Why did you post this? Oats said that you search for confrontation and are able to read people after that? But to me this looks like plain old shitting up the thread for no reason at all. ... You enter the thread claiming that you need to be elected. But instead of gathering support you are shitting up the thread and annoying the living shit out of VE and Yamato. Why? If you want to be elected, wouldn't it be better to play nice with these 2? Btw, what is your read on VE and Yamato atm? I don't like this first attack at all. Koshi implies that SS is scum for shitting up the thread and insulting other players but this is just standard SS play. I don't think even Koshi understands why he is calling SS scum. He decides that SS is not really trying to get elected, and that he is scum because of that, but there is probably more motivation for scum players to want to appear pro-town early and become mayor. This contradiction is a big deal to me. The first line should imply that he is in favor of BC's post, yet he ends up disagreeing with all of his points. It's inconsistent and I think he is just making up his reads out of thin air. I mentioned this earlier, I don't like the phrasing in this post. He seems afraid to outright accuse Supersoft, but he still wants to cast suspicion on to him. Once again I think Koshi is playing scared. Earlier he said that he might be ok with lynching Rayn, and then as soon as Rayn accused him, he started giving him townie points for absolutely no reason. He also rushes in to Rayn's filter and searches his own name and tries to use that as a point against Rayn. After that exchange insists several times that Rayn has to be scum for having a weak case, which isn't terrible reasoning. I don't like how much he uses the fact the people aren't listening to him to point towards him being scum. That is terrible reasoning. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote: Rayn Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads. Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case. Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily. (PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter) Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him. supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though. Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes. _________ What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't. The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that. Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum. When he writes a case on Rayn his reasoning falls short. -Who cares if people ignore his case. That doesn't make him scum. I also don't see him not caring that people disagree with his case. -He says I am afraid. lol you are afraid. -He thinks Sharrant is scum. But he could do this as town. -He has the same SS read as me. -He says he is good at reading Pandain and that Pandain is scum. he should wait longer. (?) -Town Rayn ignores useless players - (I don't know if this is true and I don't actually remember Rayn spending too much time pushing me.) Town Koshi is try hard. Koshi's filter this game is completely devoid of reasoning; he makes up scum reads as he goes along through the thread. He's given no reasoning why VA is scum. He's given no reasoning why Storrzerg is scum. He's given no reasoning why Yamato is scum. He's mentioned all of these people being scum several times throughout his filter before. Koshi isn't town. I think some of this is suspicious but I also think some of this is weak. I wouldn't put him in my top scum reads, but once I finish analyzing everyone and if there's room for one more scum, I'll put him on there. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:51 thrawn2112 wrote: at this point i'm more interested in trying to get a read on you than what you do with your vote. the reason I keep asking you to talk about this is because I'm still having a hard time seeing wtf your thought process actually would be if you're town so just indulge me, ok? I used to fake claim alot. I find it suspicious that he would immediatley fake claim to a mason who masoned him, especially assasin. That's the core of my analysis. I also don't like his defense because it's very similar to when he was OP and was playing the "i know I'm not scum, but I won't really defend myself" card. He was scum. I also don't like how his only real play day one was to advocate an RNG lynch and it seems more scum bh to just revert to claiming RNG lynch instead of town BH actually wanting to use rng lynch. He never advocated for RNG really and that's pretty scummy | ||
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lol 1. Storr did use the newbie card, so I called him out on it. 1.a. Hopeless being useless when he wasn't useless in White Flag mafia made him suspicious to me. That's not shit analysis, it's a fact he was useless and any useless player should be looked at suspiciously. 2. I don't know if I said VE was a better analyzer, I probably changed my opinion on him. That's not a scum contradiction that's just a contradiction. My opinion on who is good or not is not set in stone and once VE said he wanted to lynch Skanjabs who I felt was more town, I felt that Yamato would be better because he was similar to me in wanting to vote BH. 3. I use the word "good" to mean "good scum choice", not good as in town. 4. You say my justification is bad, alright that's subjective. 5. Yeah I got caught on the BH claim. It was important and anyone who didn't think so is dumb because now it's the only thing we're taking about. Wow I'm a hipster. Also your reaction was totally fucking strange. It was an obvious real claim, and you treated it as a fake claim which is weird as fuck. BH even later came in and said it was a real claim. What were you even thinking, and if you thought he was fake claiming and still stuck by it why wouldn't you go after him? I don't even feel like actually reading the rest of this analysis, going to continue my own analysis on other people. All these reasons are bad; the only scummy thing I really did was to support Kush for a bit and then try to get SS to not vote Mocsta. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: "Obvious real claim" rofl. You should honestly be lynched tomorrow I think you're being purposely retarded | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:19 Blazinghand wrote: spoken like a man who has never seen my clains Supproting his claim = defending it as real. On November 17 2013 04:20 Blazinghand wrote: um yes duh this is how I normally crumb lol @ rayn On November 17 2013 04:26 Blazinghand wrote: if I get RBed I'm still better off than getting lynched D1 by a pant-head http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=20#396 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328827¤tpage=22#428 some classic BH crumbs for you why would he further defend a "fake claim" and not just say "just joking dude" He even fucking claimed to thrawn that it was a legitimate breadcrumb. Rayn what are you smoking and can I have it | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it is an "obvious real claim" when someone says sock -> soccer -> football -> football head -> arnold -> I'm a cop -> Therefore i am a tracker. And makes that up in 2 minutes or so?  And for the record, you called me out for believing his claim originally, now you are calling me out for not believing his claim. You're doing good job to the town Pandain contradicting yourself, easier to get you lynched. No I called you out because I thought you instinctually believed a retarded claim. Now I call you out because you say that it was never a real claim when it was. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah it's just that it's not a real claim. If Blazinghand flips tracker i promise to stop posting in this game. IT WAS A REAL CLAIM. It was made with the intention that it was to be taken seriously. But it was false in its accuracy. No one is saying that he's going to flip tracker | ||
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Serious claim = claim meant to be taken serious. Rayn doesn't think so despite all evidence against it. I think it's pretty obvious. Fake claim - Claim that is false, aka he's not tracker real claim = he is tracker. Change all my "real" claims to "serious" | ||
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On November 19 2013 09:47 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler [bh/thrawn logs] + thrawn - BLAZINGHAND MUH NIGG WHAT'S UP first things first... you town? BH - I am an assassin and am intentionally playing as scummy as possible without getting lynched. The other assassin will be the one who never suspects me as scum. BH - I am the tracker. That is a legitimate crumb. I am hoping not to get role blocked tonight. Got any ideas who I should target? thrawn - @3 what? why would you tell me this? thrawn - oh nvm just now started reading op. i've never experienced assassins before the way it looks to me is that it's not necessarily anti town? or what? thrawn - eh this is fucking weird lol... no clue how to process what your motivations should be thrawn - OK two questions 1 why would you claim assassin to me 2 why are you intentionally acting scummy/trolly? isn't that sure to bring suspicion on you? why wouldn't you be trying to play townie? thrawn - wtf bh are you scum? if you're truly assassin I don't really know if I care about this qt any more, but what if i'm the assassin? why would you just claim it immediately like that? i'm having trouble wrapping my head around what should be your "assassin point of view" or whatever BH - OK in a hypothetical world where I am the assassin there's no way you're also the assassin, since assassins can't mason, right? So imagine I'm the assassin-- someone has masoned me. He's either town thrawn, looking for clues, or scum thrawn, trying to figure out if I should be NKed. If he's scum thrawn I want him to know I'm the assassin. This way he aims his shots elsewhere and makes it more likely that my DT check for the other assassin goes off properly. If he's town thrawn I won't be able to keep up the illusion of being the tracker in a 1-on-1 convo, so I will claim assassin to him and strike a bargain with him: I'll actually read and help him refine reads and give my honest opinion if he doesn't try to lynch me tomorrow. The other alternative is that I'm really the tracker, and am worried thrawn might be scum, so I soft-claim assassin in an attempt not to be shot. There's really no reason I wouldn't claim assassin, honestly. BH - Let me put it this way, thrawn. Whether I am telling the truth or lying, let me know two people you want analyzed and I will analyze them with the full force of the best analysis I'm capable of. If you have cases or reads your want opinions on, I'll be glad to help you out. Let me know what you need and I'll do it. thrawn - ight now i'm looking at panda grack and austin. if you only want two i'd say go for grack and austin panda and grack are the scum reads I picked up while I was skimming the game right after it started. you can see what i think about austin in the thread. I don't remember what it was I was thinking about panda, and i'm probably most hesitant about that read because what he's posted since i've joined has all seemed pretty carefree. grack i remember being useless and going on about electing kush, and there were some things VE pointed out (like how it's odd what he chooses to be serious about) that i agreed with lol at some point i will actually need to read pages 1-election page BH - I'll take a look. BH - sorry for the delay, had some IRL issues last night. looking now ;_; BH - yeah grack probably scum. he's a slippery one though, I doubt we'll be able to pull off a lynch on him today unless people are pretty smart. got any track ideas? thrawn - if i were tracker I might rng it between grack/austin. i still haven't read anything beyond what i mentioned earlier and all my other reads are town reads who do you think I should mason next cycle? what do you think about super, I was thinking about either picking him (if he is town I would really like to be able to trust and work with him) or one of the people that haven't really jumped into discussion and I take it that you disagree about austin and panda since you didn't mention them? btw I don't know what you meant when you said grack would be hard to lynch... i'm probably gonna put a placeholder vote down on him while i finish catching up thrawn - oh what do you think about koshi? I tried to incite some kind of emotional response from him but what I got was pretty underwhelming. he's so much more reserved than he was in WCII. In wc2 I basically knew he was town right from the start and that feeling never went away, i'm not getting that here BH - gonna check Austin. I think grack is slam dunk don't need a track on him. sorry didnt actually have time to dive Austin. koshi shows his colors over time ss is fine but also consider Also yamato. his anger might be fake; a qt will show. BH - OK sent in a track on Austin. I'll be back hopefully before flips. thrawn - lol yeah yamato sounds interesting if he immediately starts insulting me he's probably town BH - basically yes. thrawn - are you really tracker? and wtf you claimed that to the thread back in D1? WHHY? tbh i don't think i believe either the assassin or tracker claims... meh BH - remember that a scum yam will seem to have a different mood than what hr has in thread BH - honestly I didn't have much time day 1 since I'm starting at a new job on Monday. I figured claiming would buy me the time to price myself.I would never admit this to the thread tho lol. had to do a lot of phone post and read so far. I think I should be able to catch enough scum going forward to prove myself town. really though be careful with yam. town yam will see scummy for his anger. scum yam will seem townie for his reasonableness. don't let him mess with your head. 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Straight from the quote log. I am the tracker. That is a legitimate crumb. I am hoping not to get role blocked tonight. Got any ideas who I should target? I thought you were going to man up and say you were wrong but I was wrong it seems. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:27 Mattchew wrote: ss pan and BC all seem like really good kills Why are we good kills. More then a paragraph please | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote: No, ive said why I thought/think VE is an assassin. [b]I contradict myself all the time as either alignment dude. Why do you keep making bad cases SS? [/QUOTE] This quote is balls to the walls weird | ||
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On November 19 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote: No, ive said why I thought/think VE is an assassin. I contradict myself all the time as either alignment dude. Why do you keep making bad cases SS? This post* | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Them being a possibility somehow means they're guaranteed to be in the setup? It means it's dumb to rely on a vig to get things done. And you also shouldn't guide town sentiment towards shooting a specific person because then mafia would likely protect them | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 01 2013 12:00 austinmcc wrote: Koshi Koshi Bo Boshi First third of http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=Koshi&view=all is one-liners, small questions, him playing with Grackaroni. He's rarely, if ever, engaging anyone else in the thread (occasionally mentioning you, but with regards to not wanting to see you fail or whatever, not with regard to any substantive read or chatting with you). 1/3 or 1/4 is that. But that 1/3 or 1/4 is important to me, because it represents Koshi playing the game BEFORE he became a RNG lynch. BH makes his post, Koshi pops up. He has some mild interactions with the thread, disliking a case on rayn because rayn had been relatively vocal in talking about others. I looked at this, and hated this post. BH is scum because RNG says vote Koshi. He has no ACTUAL reason to call BH scum here. There are good cases on Yamato. Grack is scum, but Koshi has been on grack all game with some justifications behind his scumread, so that one's substantiated in prior posts. FT ... that FT read is nothing. Other people point out he might be scum, but that gobbledegook doesn't actually give me a clear idea of what Koshi thinks about FT. I hate that post because it's mushy and easy. Yamato and FT are being discussed. He's been on Grack all game. BH made his RNG post. Koshi has 1000000% not spoken up on a number of people, isn't making reads or presenting any information on a number of people, and is, at least based on his posts, kind of worried about being RNG lynched. But instead of really hunting, really poking around, he makes what feels like a very easy set of reads, 2 people that are being discussed as scum, the guy he keeps saying is scum, and BH. I dunno, most of it stems from watching his posts hard after his initial FT post about FT making a "splash". He was someone I was paying particular attention to, and his entire D1 from the RNG point out is just him halfway worrying about being RNG-lynched, but nothing much else. Every post is still really short. Every post remains focused on this small group of players. He seems legitimately worried about being lynched, but not at looking outside the easy options for scum. Moreover, I remember a number of people dropping little koshi suspicions --> koshi normally posts more/better/more substantively. I remember SP making this post, believe there were 2-3 others. Throughout the whole day, apart from early banter with grack and calling grack scum, Koshi just doesn't DO anything of substance. He thinks he might get lynched, and his focus is on calling out easy alternatives, rather than really trying to build a case on someone hard-to-lynch (BH out of his choices) or someone who isn't being scrutinized/talked abotu already. I'm going to stop rambling now. If there's a single post that struck me as scummy, it's the "splash" post about FT. It's moreso just about a lack of engagement with the game as a whole, posting a bunch while not really doing anything, and when he's supposedly super worried about getting lynched, never really doing much other than complaining that he might get lynched and talking about how everyone who finds him townie is town and everyone who finds him scummy is scum. It's mostly thoughts, rather than a case, but WoS especially and whoever else is more than welcome to talk through some of this. On October 01 2013 12:28 austinmcc wrote: SP I didn't get much from D1, I got nothing in read-through notes on him and just remembered he was one of the folks making a Koshi comment. As far as him being a lynch option today...will read through in the EST morning and respond more fully. I find myself almost never wanting to lynch ShiaoPi because his schedule is never synched with the thread's and it always feels like he's pushable as a mislynch in games he rolls town. Just...very very wary of any push to lynch ShiaoPi. Strongandbig : Drazerk :: austinmcc : ShiaoPi able to give actual opinions And that's very early into day one. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:22 Risen wrote: Scum slip aside, town you would understand that changing up your gameplay would be a wise thing to do as scum. That'll be the day when I give my partners town reads and force myself to be linked to them | ||
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I agree you have gotten information for town but that does not mean that you yourself are town if you aren't even using that information to find someone. And it's now an hour before night two and where are your reads? | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:56 Holyflare wrote: Or pandain is actually just scum  He did claim vet too after all.What? I didn't claim vet | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:59 Hopeless1der wrote: A) Nice delurk B) Message 25 under SS/Pandain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20266761 idk he made it up im clearly not vet thanks covering for my real role | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:04 Holyflare wrote: Pandain 11-16-2013 03:06 PM ET (US) Btw since your town I'm also a veteran There is no way that means veteran player over vet role. Why would you argue over this only helps mafia | ||
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Has anyone actually analyzed Rayn or is everyone giving him a freebie due to the posts | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:22 Holyflare wrote: You just lied to us and tried to frame another player for the lie? Supersoft didn't put my real role in the thread. I don't know why he faked it, but I'm grateful because for all you know I'm a tracker and so I get shot. He is town | ||
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I honestly want to hear this | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:51 Coagulation wrote: pandain.. SS LIED? Yes but for town benefit | ||
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I don't think Mig your case is strong enough, they can be explained if BC is simply playing poorly and he did the game before he took a year long break for mafia. Isn't this his warm-up game? I played awful in golden sun, though I still do. I think his anger was extremely genuine as well. He could be mafia but I wouldn't lynch him today. I like Risen and Rayn better. I don't think town Rayn makes posts like this On November 23 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care what someone has done in mason logsif it does not translate into the thread. On November 22 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well he claimed scum and he is a whiny little bitch so i guess a good lynch no? On November 22 2013 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl wtf Pandain? Are you a vet or not? On November 23 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i thouhgt Lonemeow was town. But then he fucking scumslipped. Am i not allowed to call him scum after that? What? As for that last post, it's too defensive in terms of what he's doing. He found a scum slip, thinks LM is mafia, and then plays the "what I can't think this?" instead of "here is why he's mafia, dumbie" | ||
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But maybe I think too highly of Rayn | ||
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And I'll sheep you on BC. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:54 supersoft wrote: Man I am playing one of my best towngames so far, I most likely blocked a bullet. I have clean town/scumreads and some i don't know just yet. Rofl. How dumb are you guys? like seriously? This is me your either playing extremely good scum or extremely good town and no reason to lynch | ||
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Alright you guys are retarded. I'm the vet but there's no point to being the vet if scum knows you're the vet. So I had already claimed to SS because I trust him, and he probably forgot to take it out since it was a one liner. So I claimed that SS simply substituted my real role. God | ||
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Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen That's your beacon of towniness? | ||
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I thought Vayne was scum too but everyone thought he was town so I gave him up. I wouldn't want to vote him today anyway | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:01 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not sure. There's no cases to look at or any real reasoning going on at all right now in this thread. Pandain why didn't you mason me this game? I was going to but last two days I was comparing my reads to better players then me and today was going to find out if hopeless was scum but he's being a bit quiet and by that i mean he calls me scum and then leaves the qt | ||
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On November 23 2013 07:47 thrawn2112 wrote: Pandain can you explain why you are writing me off as town so easily when I have not done jack shit for like 48 hours? What was your read on me at the start of this cycle, and what have been your thoughts about me since then until now? Koshi I do not think rayn calling everyone scum makes him scum :p Your argument seems like it's mostly "rayn's play has been anti-town, so he's mafia" ... I come to the exact opposite conclusion. I think his play looks a lot more like destructive town rayn than cooperative agreeable WC2 scum rayn I also haven't done anything, doesn't mean I'm scum. You were extremely good day two when you replaced in and there's little reason to assume your scum in my eyes | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote: But you didn't start doubting my alignment during this cycle? Ever? You didn't even answer the question, I'm trying to figure out what your thought process has been. No there's bigger people to fry then a person who started being less townie then he was day two | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:24 Koshi wrote: hmm rayn was town. I feel really bad now. mafia depression. damned. Don't feel bad the game will be so much more enjoyable now | ||
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On November 24 2013 00:57 supersoft wrote: Every protection avaliable on Mig btw. I think that shouldnt be worth mentioning, but i just want to make sure. Eh actually I would say no. His reads are fine town can solve it afterwards. Worried about suicide bomber ruining things. | ||
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On November 24 2013 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: Pandassss Mason me tomorrow if I'm still alive. | ||
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On November 24 2013 04:37 austinmcc wrote: IF YOU ARE TOWN, PLEASE STOP BEING DUMB. THERE ARE 4 MAFIA. IF WE KILL ONE THEIR KP GOES FROM 2 TO 1. IF YOU WANT TO DIE AND ARE TOWN, DO IT AFTER WE KILL A FRIGGIN' MAFIA. YOU ARE 100% NOT A GUARANTEED LYNCH TOMORROW, AND THRAWN IS A NICE LYNCH AND I THINK WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM OVER YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR ALIGNMENT AND WHAT YOU DO. Nobody cares either way about your "woe is me, kill me now" posting. So knock it off. We find mafia, we lynch mafia. Then you can commit seppuku or whatever you want. You have no idea what happens tonight, who dies, whether if ss is town he ACTUALLY BLOCKS SOMETHING AND WE ALL SPLOOGE AND HIGH FIVE AND THE GAME IS SUPER SUPER NICE TOMORROW. Also why do we know there are four mafia. Or is that extremely common | ||
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1. You say that I'm scum because I think that you being afk doesn't mean anything. Then you say that being afk doesn't mean anything . Scum 2. You seemed to adapt extremely well to the thread in the beginning. Now you're claiming to be "completely" overwhelmed? Very few people are actually completely overwhelmed. And you don't seem to be the guy, with all your early contributions, to be one of those people. Probably fake and somewhat scum 3. I thought you were very town early on and asked BC in our m9ason qt. Surpsisingly, he gave a very hesistant response and said "yeah, he's doing well establishing himself." Suspicious 4. BC was literally going after Grack like so hard. You think he's really scum? 5. Mocsta was going after Grack really hard. You think he's really scum? You think scum team just hated Grack or something? Even if they thought he was playing so poorly they had to bus him, why would you lynch him over others who I'm sure can be better then grack. Overall that post is very fake | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:21 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote Pandain I'll gladly switch back/support either for the double lynch tomorrow. However, I'm much more convinced on Pandain than BH atm. I could believe BH is an assassin. I can't believe Pandain is anything but scum. + Show Spoiler + So first, there is the whole "Vote Kush for mayor" that people were getting on Grack's case about. Pandain was right there with him, the Grackapack going strong. Except it wasnt that strong, and Pandain was just trolling around for the hell of it. The trolling isnt really alignment indicative, but following Gracks lead is. Consider how hard Mocsta pushed Grack, and now BH is doing the same. (BC too, but I'm not convinced he's scum) Pandain's early game hesitance to call Grack scum looks fishy: Except me and Grack had already informally planned to campaign for Kush, see before the game. I was going to make a post for Kush, in fact I was in the process of making a post, just mine was longer so it took longer to post. Plus I would do it as either alignment because Grack is my friend On November 16 2013 03:30 Pandain wrote: To give my feedback on Grack: I do think he's very suspicious, but I would have imagined him to at least be doing some sort of analysis as scum. I mean he's definitely playing anti-town but I don't think it makes him scum. My advice would be to look for someone other then Grack who's more inherently scummy rather then just suspicious. I will be able to ascertain Grack's alignment by day two. This is stupidly early to be planning your day2 mislynch, but considering that scum dont actually get to plan a mislynch Day 1(short of electing scum into the mayor position) I'm not ruling it out. At any rate, this is scummy to be keeping options open like this where he has carte blanche to accuse Grack. What? How is this anything? I didn't know Grack's alignment, I still didn't know until after BC flipped and now I'm confident he's town. I'm not going to just say he's scum if I don't know if he was. I thought I was pretty qualified to comment on his alignment based on meta and I was getting an uneasy feeling and thus was sharing it with the thread. He's trying to "confirm" himself town: On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm I dont know what this refers to. Maybe the mason bit? Why would he think that confirms him as town? Especially with the number of masons floating about. There is no way for this to confirm anyone imo and the fact that he's trying to use this as evidence that he's town is scummy. VE pointed it out during the night: On November 17 2013 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post Pandain slips that he knows that scum only have one mason. You're welcome guys. I'll be back before dawn. I misread thread and didn't realize that mafia has masons. So that was my way of confirming myself as town. I wouldn't bullshit a lie as scum anyway because bullshit lies = scum, so this also doesn't mean anything. On November 16 2013 09:01 Pandain wrote: While I like that and think it shows town, I'm going to reread OP and then thread and then decide who to mason I'd like to confirmation-bias this post into "Look at all the activity I'm (planning on) doing. I'm so town!" On November 16 2013 15:03 Pandain wrote: Posting your notes why? Trying to show your townie mess? Now scum can react to your notes mig Scum-slips aren't supposed to be a thing...but Pandain knows mig is town based on this post. No I was pointing out the fallacy of a town mig posting his notes. First, here's pandains early read on storr On November 15 2013 12:02 Pandain wrote: Mocsta I disagree with you. I think Storr could be scum, but it's not certain yet and your reasons are pretty weak. You say he plays the noob card, but he did it in regards to "why not vote a noob like me mayor " which doesn't help his cause which is what scum would normally do. Not inconceivable he just did it inherently but doesn't mean he's scum for that. Second I think you nitpick too much, he said he was still going to hunt for scum, hunt for scum is the same as hunting even when he said RNG, I think that's a bit too suspicious to say for a mayor canidateship. "I disagree with you Mocsta, but you're right" What lol. Yeah I thought he went too far. Guess what, he's scum and he did. I thought there were reasons for Storr to be scum but they weren't as strong as Mocsta made it seem. He calls me and storr scum here (moreso me, but still) + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:11 Pandain wrote: Yes I'm a mason. I don't think it's unlikely for there to be two, or even three masons however. I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts. Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out. useless useless useless he's usually not useless To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him. On November 16 2013 11:13 Pandain wrote: Storr continually plays the newbie card and yet ran for mayor, then backed out quickly and keeps playing newbie card. Doesn't make sense to me unless he's trying to play a certain way. Like his first game with me he was semi-guns blazing. What happened to this game? We end up at this post, trying to direct yamato on who to lynch: On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. This completely clashes with his previous scumread on Storr. The extended duration of storr being scummy results in storr being townie? Maybe I should go back to making excuses for activity and lurking... [red] I used the word "good" in terms of "good lynch". On November 17 2013 03:03 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is scum, yes. I also now think Mig is scum. I think Vayne is scum too he's playing like in ##. If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them. Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means. So a bunch of stuff in this post. No detailed reads, Wish-wash on me, Storr is back on the table. Mig, who he inadvertently called town earlier, is now scum, and rayne/Vayne come out of nowhere as scumreads. This post screams scum to me. Pandain is all over the place and there is nothing to hold him to if he wants to pursue any other read, he keeps giving himself outs beforehand. [red] No it's a bunch of misinterpetation for you. At this point, I thought Mig and Storr were scum. You thought I thought Mig was town because you assumed I was scum and scum slipped that he was town. You also misinterrpeted me and Storr. I'm sorry that I don't give an abstract before telling you every scum read I have in regards to Rayn and Vayne, and if that's the only actual somewhat legit thing you have, that's not the best thing in the world. On November 17 2013 01:12 Pandain wrote: I think moc is very clearly town. These are the kinds of cases he makes which don't make that much sense. He's putting in effort too into developing his cases Association-scum-tell --> More association scumtell: (open nested quotes) On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: No I think he's town but you should be able to tell I'm town by now Of note, Pandain has apparently come to the conclusion that Grack is town at this point. No I didn't, that was in reference to Mocsta who I thought was town + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 10:20 Pandain wrote: I still think Storrzerg is suspicious, I simply found others who I might be more confident in. Namely Vayne and Rayn and BH. Yes I do think he would. That's the worst thing and why I favor a Rayn lynch first. However even though I think he would do it as town I find it distinctly anti-town as it would motivate trackers to counter-claim. That is what I'm caught up on and he never addressed it. Mocsta in my previous games I think he's always been town. I don't know what his scum play would look like but it's not this. To be frank, bad reads with a lot of effort with weird arguments are making me think he's town. This is what he's done in previous games. Scum try to hide from doing obvious bad arguments and the Mocsta post was unforced and bad. All this is making me think he's town. And yes the effort does help him though I don't think he couldn't do it as scum. That was my first thought. re-reading him his non-analysis cases make me lean towards scum, especially this post but I definitely don't think he would have been a good lynch today or a good lynch tomorrow. I don't think he'll ever buss much because if he does he'll be alone by the end and a sole scum Mocsta should be easy to find anyway. Who knows when mocsta decided to use his vig, but this looks bad. "storr is still suspicious, but I have other scumreads. Scum-mocsta will be easy to find" Fast-forward to NK's, storr flips town to Scum-Vig-Mocsta and Mocsta has also been vigged by some awesome townie [red] I don't think this actually comes to a real argument so I don't have anything to say because it's extremely circumstanial and relies on you insinuating outside information. BH's tracker/assassin claim. Initially, Pandain is all questions about BH's claim: On November 17 2013 04:19 Pandain wrote: What is this then. You thought it was a joke? On November 17 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote: Is it a real claim BH On November 17 2013 04:47 Pandain wrote: He's literally said it's a real claim Rayn. On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: So you think he's town and not tracker? Is that your position? He never states his own position on BH that I could find. There are some hypotheticals that allow him to say {if BH/then Rayne} but nothing concrete. At the next mention, BH is now scum: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 08:19 Pandain wrote: BH needs to get lynched tomorrow. The fact he's just started to get really active at night doesn't prove anything actually. Scum or town BH would start being active now. Instead it's more important to realize he has been effectively afk during the thread with no real thread presence except defending himself and that is pretty unacceptable. His tracker claim is absoltely awful play as town and okay play as scum. He varies between being active and always posting whenever he's mentioned and then not posting at all besides. Which is pretty suspicious to me. While I'll agree the claim makes sense compared to his previous crumbs, he claimed 6 hours before mayor lynch would even be decided. Which doesn't make sense from a town perspective who wants to win, who wouldn't claim a blue role unless he was then going to do something with it. BH claimed tracker and then didn't do anything with it except with his defense. This contrasts with his Heavyweight claim where he did claim early(did he? Can't remember how early) and then he pushed and used his town prescence to get a scum claim. BH's claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Him defending his claim actually makes it twice as worse. He comes back night one and then has a scum read on Grack. Great. okay My reads on BH and Rayn varied greatly. At first I thought that BH was scum, and Rayn was scum. Then I wasn't sure but was sure one of them was. I'm running out of steam to finish Pandains filter properly, so some short points from pages 9-12 of Pandains filter: - I'm not convinced BH is scum, he may actually be an assassin. Pandain wish-washes over BH being tracker/assassin/scum and how all his reads are out to lunch if he's wrong about BH being scum. All the while he's confusing things by bringing up previous claims that BH has done without reaching conclusions. No I always had a conclusion, it was just wrong alot - Mig is now a STRONG town-read. Mig's notes should be taken down/privatized but he's now town for something that he was initially town/then scum for. Mig was scum until I found that he had kept updating his notes, and that made him a strong town read in my eyes - Finds meta reasons to show that Mocsta would not have bussed Grack, but Grack isnt a strong townread. Seems strange that grack isnt in his list of townies. Don't know what you're referencing, but I was never really sure that Grack was town before this. + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 15:11 Pandain wrote: I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag). He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough. Mig and SS are my strongest town reads. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:21 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote Pandain I'll gladly switch back/support either for the double lynch tomorrow. However, I'm much more convinced on Pandain than BH atm. I could believe BH is an assassin. I can't believe Pandain is anything but scum. + Show Spoiler + So first, there is the whole "Vote Kush for mayor" that people were getting on Grack's case about. Pandain was right there with him, the Grackapack going strong. Except it wasnt that strong, and Pandain was just trolling around for the hell of it. The trolling isnt really alignment indicative, but following Gracks lead is. Consider how hard Mocsta pushed Grack, and now BH is doing the same. (BC too, but I'm not convinced he's scum) Pandain's early game hesitance to call Grack scum looks fishy: Except me and Grack had already informally planned to campaign for Kush, see before the game. I was going to make a post for Kush, in fact I was in the process of making a post, just mine was longer so it took longer to post. Plus I would do it as either alignment because Grack is my friend On November 16 2013 03:30 Pandain wrote: To give my feedback on Grack: I do think he's very suspicious, but I would have imagined him to at least be doing some sort of analysis as scum. I mean he's definitely playing anti-town but I don't think it makes him scum. My advice would be to look for someone other then Grack who's more inherently scummy rather then just suspicious. I will be able to ascertain Grack's alignment by day two. This is stupidly early to be planning your day2 mislynch, but considering that scum dont actually get to plan a mislynch Day 1(short of electing scum into the mayor position) I'm not ruling it out. At any rate, this is scummy to be keeping options open like this where he has carte blanche to accuse Grack. What? How is this anything? I didn't know Grack's alignment, I still didn't know until after BC flipped and now I'm confident he's town. I'm not going to just say he's scum if I don't know if he was. I thought I was pretty qualified to comment on his alignment based on meta and I was getting an uneasy feeling and thus was sharing it with the thread. He's trying to "confirm" himself town: On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm I dont know what this refers to. Maybe the mason bit? Why would he think that confirms him as town? Especially with the number of masons floating about. There is no way for this to confirm anyone imo and the fact that he's trying to use this as evidence that he's town is scummy. VE pointed it out during the night: On November 17 2013 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post Pandain slips that he knows that scum only have one mason. You're welcome guys. I'll be back before dawn. I misread thread and didn't realize that mafia has masons. So that was my way of confirming myself as town. I wouldn't bullshit a lie as scum anyway because bullshit lies = scum, so this also doesn't mean anything. On November 16 2013 09:01 Pandain wrote: While I like that and think it shows town, I'm going to reread OP and then thread and then decide who to mason I'd like to confirmation-bias this post into "Look at all the activity I'm (planning on) doing. I'm so town!" On November 16 2013 15:03 Pandain wrote: Posting your notes why? Trying to show your townie mess? Now scum can react to your notes mig Scum-slips aren't supposed to be a thing...but Pandain knows mig is town based on this post. No I was pointing out the fallacy of a town mig posting his notes. First, here's pandains early read on storr On November 15 2013 12:02 Pandain wrote: Mocsta I disagree with you. I think Storr could be scum, but it's not certain yet and your reasons are pretty weak. You say he plays the noob card, but he did it in regards to "why not vote a noob like me mayor " which doesn't help his cause which is what scum would normally do. Not inconceivable he just did it inherently but doesn't mean he's scum for that. Second I think you nitpick too much, he said he was still going to hunt for scum, hunt for scum is the same as hunting even when he said RNG, I think that's a bit too suspicious to say for a mayor canidateship. "I disagree with you Mocsta, but you're right" What lol. Yeah I thought he went too far. Guess what, he's scum and he did. I thought there were reasons for Storr to be scum but they weren't as strong as Mocsta made it seem. He calls me and storr scum here (moreso me, but still) + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:11 Pandain wrote: Yes I'm a mason. I don't think it's unlikely for there to be two, or even three masons however. I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts. Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out. useless useless useless he's usually not useless To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him. On November 16 2013 11:13 Pandain wrote: Storr continually plays the newbie card and yet ran for mayor, then backed out quickly and keeps playing newbie card. Doesn't make sense to me unless he's trying to play a certain way. Like his first game with me he was semi-guns blazing. What happened to this game? We end up at this post, trying to direct yamato on who to lynch: On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. This completely clashes with his previous scumread on Storr. The extended duration of storr being scummy results in storr being townie? Maybe I should go back to making excuses for activity and lurking... I used the word "good" in terms of "good lynch". On November 17 2013 03:03 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is scum, yes. I also now think Mig is scum. I think Vayne is scum too he's playing like in ##. If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them. Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means. So a bunch of stuff in this post. No detailed reads, Wish-wash on me, Storr is back on the table. Mig, who he inadvertently called town earlier, is now scum, and rayne/Vayne come out of nowhere as scumreads. This post screams scum to me. Pandain is all over the place and there is nothing to hold him to if he wants to pursue any other read, he keeps giving himself outs beforehand. No it's a bunch of misinterpetation for you. At this point, I thought Mig and Storr were scum. You thought I thought Mig was town because you assumed I was scum and scum slipped that he was town. You also misinterrpeted me and Storr. On November 17 2013 01:12 Pandain wrote: I think moc is very clearly town. These are the kinds of cases he makes which don't make that much sense. He's putting in effort too into developing his cases Association-scum-tell --> More association scumtell: (open nested quotes) On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: No I think he's town but you should be able to tell I'm town by now Of note, Pandain has apparently come to the conclusion that Grack is town at this point. No I didn't, that was in reference to Mocsta who I thought was town + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 10:20 Pandain wrote: I still think Storrzerg is suspicious, I simply found others who I might be more confident in. Namely Vayne and Rayn and BH. Yes I do think he would. That's the worst thing and why I favor a Rayn lynch first. However even though I think he would do it as town I find it distinctly anti-town as it would motivate trackers to counter-claim. That is what I'm caught up on and he never addressed it. Mocsta in my previous games I think he's always been town. I don't know what his scum play would look like but it's not this. To be frank, bad reads with a lot of effort with weird arguments are making me think he's town. This is what he's done in previous games. Scum try to hide from doing obvious bad arguments and the Mocsta post was unforced and bad. All this is making me think he's town. And yes the effort does help him though I don't think he couldn't do it as scum. That was my first thought. re-reading him his non-analysis cases make me lean towards scum, especially this post but I definitely don't think he would have been a good lynch today or a good lynch tomorrow. I don't think he'll ever buss much because if he does he'll be alone by the end and a sole scum Mocsta should be easy to find anyway. Who knows when mocsta decided to use his vig, but this looks bad. "storr is still suspicious, but I have other scumreads. Scum-mocsta will be easy to find" Fast-forward to NK's, storr flips town to Scum-Vig-Mocsta and Mocsta has also been vigged by some awesome townie I don't think this actually comes to a real argument so I don't have anything to say because it's extremely circumstanial and relies on you insinuating outside information. BH's tracker/assassin claim. Initially, Pandain is all questions about BH's claim: On November 17 2013 04:19 Pandain wrote: What is this then. You thought it was a joke? On November 17 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote: Is it a real claim BH On November 17 2013 04:47 Pandain wrote: He's literally said it's a real claim Rayn. On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: So you think he's town and not tracker? Is that your position? He never states his own position on BH that I could find. There are some hypotheticals that allow him to say {if BH/then Rayne} but nothing concrete. At the next mention, BH is now scum: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 08:19 Pandain wrote: BH needs to get lynched tomorrow. The fact he's just started to get really active at night doesn't prove anything actually. Scum or town BH would start being active now. Instead it's more important to realize he has been effectively afk during the thread with no real thread presence except defending himself and that is pretty unacceptable. His tracker claim is absoltely awful play as town and okay play as scum. He varies between being active and always posting whenever he's mentioned and then not posting at all besides. Which is pretty suspicious to me. While I'll agree the claim makes sense compared to his previous crumbs, he claimed 6 hours before mayor lynch would even be decided. Which doesn't make sense from a town perspective who wants to win, who wouldn't claim a blue role unless he was then going to do something with it. BH claimed tracker and then didn't do anything with it except with his defense. This contrasts with his Heavyweight claim where he did claim early(did he? Can't remember how early) and then he pushed and used his town prescence to get a scum claim. BH's claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Him defending his claim actually makes it twice as worse. He comes back night one and then has a scum read on Grack. Great. okay My reads on BH and Rayn varied greatly. At first I thought that BH was scum, and Rayn was scum. Then I wasn't sure but was sure one of them was. I'm running out of steam to finish Pandains filter properly, so some short points from pages 9-12 of Pandains filter: - I'm not convinced BH is scum, he may actually be an assassin. Pandain wish-washes over BH being tracker/assassin/scum and how all his reads are out to lunch if he's wrong about BH being scum. All the while he's confusing things by bringing up previous claims that BH has done without reaching conclusions. No I always had a conclusion, it was just wrong alot - Mig is now a STRONG town-read. Mig's notes should be taken down/privatized but he's now town for something that he was initially town/then scum for. Mig was scum until I found that he had kept updating his notes, and that made him a strong town read in my eyes - Finds meta reasons to show that Mocsta would not have bussed Grack, but Grack isnt a strong townread. Seems strange that grack isnt in his list of townies. Don't know what you're referencing, but I was never really sure that Grack was town before this. + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 15:11 Pandain wrote: I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag). He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough. Mig and SS are my strongest town reads. | ||
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On November 24 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote: Actually you are right Austin. This needs to be explained. If someone claims they're newb while running for mayor that doesn't make sense at all. It's a contradiction in both how you perceive yourself in the game and how you want to play it. And contradictions, especially that kind, usually means scum. | ||
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1. Martying. Vayne, you hate martyrs. Now factor in the fact that it's Risen who is known to be really stubborn and play against odds(alone in WHC), and his solution is to ask for a town vig despite the fact that two have already been revealed? On November 23 2013 05:08 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And once again your appeals to "that would be crazy!" are horrible if you're town, horrible if you're scum. Get on my level kids. World Heavyweight Champion OUT! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media0.giphy.com/media/149R89yoMrIFgI/giphy.gif) 2. He thinks I'm mafia. I was pretty easy lynch-bait because I was quiet, but there weren't any real good reasons for voting me; at least not that he brought up. His arguments were trash and based around SS logs, which didn't make any sense. This post so bad On November 19 2013 16:56 Risen wrote: Gut read. Haven't really read the thread. Scum did a good job clogging it up. I'll read up tomorrow and back up my gut read. Sum of the gut is pandain's interaction with people. 3. On November 21 2013 10:22 Risen wrote: Pandain #1 scum read Grack policy lynch I can be convinced to vote for someone not pandain (though I'll have to see something more) but will not be unvoting Grack.. but then later On November 21 2013 10:28 Risen wrote: Super is probably scum so... So scum lynch is inferior to policy lynch? | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:01 VayneAuthority wrote: then I don't think you are town honestly if you believe that quote "means nothing" One of you and austin is scum and you guys arent making it easy. That quote does mean very little and I'm sorry to say that. If you base your instincts on Risen being town based on how BC critizied him early in day one for something BC is known to hate, then I think there are key things lacking. | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:12 VayneAuthority wrote: alright let me guess, BC randomly giving advice to slam has zero relevance too? No I agree in that I think Slam is town. I don't think that how you're attempting to prove people via single posts is the way to prove alignments, however. | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:14 VayneAuthority wrote: be nice to his teammates? what are you even talking about. im talking about where he blatantly says "Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town" WHEN TOWN. i don't understand you people Except it was in reference to Risen's quote which was: Can't be bothered to read all this. Love it when I'm scum, reason I hate being town. So it wasn't a slip or anything | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:16 VayneAuthority wrote: how do you get slam town out of that? Why would BC randomly give advice to some guy he has no connection that I can see before this game? I think this line of reasoning is very weak. BC could easily do it to appear town. | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:18 VayneAuthority wrote: how does that change anything? It doesn't matter if it's a slip or not. It's the phrasing So my counter-argument is that there's better ways to prove someone is scum through analysis (see my post) then town because of phrasing (your post) | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:20 VayneAuthority wrote: as some one that voted for rayn you really have no leverage in what is right or wrong. My reads have been fine if not great this game so there's nothing wrong with how I go about things. If you're going to turn to ad-hominem then this discussion will end, then. Either you have more analysis and then you might actually convince people, or you'll have to stick to your gut on individual posts. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote: pandain is confirmed town, austin. BC tried to kill him. His vetclaim makes sense. He is town. | ||
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On November 25 2013 00:02 Hopeless1der wrote: See: austinmcc @Pandain "confirmed town" and @Vayne "Austin killed rayne" -- BC last minute voted for the WIFOM. BC's UNVOTE killed RAYNE. It incriminates Risen. It makes it LOOK like he wanted to kill Pandain. It could have easily killed me if another townie had also voted. It's pretty good proof. Did you see my response to your case on me? | ||
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1. Extremely contributive day one, seemed to have town agendas and pushed them. Questioned people. Consistent. 2. Talked to BC ALOT. Like that would be weird to do, though it's not impossible. Double weird because this would be thrawn's first scum game? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 10:20 thrawn2112 wrote: sup HEY KOSHI <3 On November 17 2013 10:46 thrawn2112 wrote: @ all town people i've shared intimate mafia experiences with tell me if you're town On November 17 2013 10:57 thrawn2112 wrote: hey why haven't you said hi to me yet? On November 17 2013 10:59 thrawn2112 wrote: no I think not.. what's up? On November 18 2013 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: OATS and KOSHI i'd like to have a chat with each of you 2. Did pushes on two people + Show Spoiler + Austin Asked him questions and then later followed it up. Now think's he is town but at least he did that. Me Why he thought I was scum, so his logic for me being scum came about specific reasons that arose in thread and he stuck with it. Makes sense. 3. Kept asking questions to everyone. I know that this can be a scummy thing, but his questions seemed genuine to me. So if someone does pushes, good questions, and is carefree I'm more likely to think they are town then scum. I agree that his day 3 is suspicious, but that's it. I suppose there's not much good arguing about it because it's just interpetation. I'll note that he still masoned me despite me telling him to mason you because you're probably better at determining his alignment, but even that could be explained by him trying to get a better read on me or thinkimg im more able to be convinced. I have to go to a sign-up thing for class but I'll be back in like 20 | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote: goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch. So can you explain the first sentence, Thrawn? | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote: 1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me. 2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not. Isn't that a good thing if you're town? You do know that if we lynch scum, they lose a kp right. This lynch is pretty important. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote: For a "pretty important" lynch you (and a lot of people) are quite content to slap a vote on Risen and then nope the fuck out of the thread. Did you see my response to your accusations? And I've been way more active this lynch then anytime really. And I'm super active in mason chats atm. | ||
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23 Pandain 11-26-2013 01:25 AM ET (US) Way to die on me 22 Pandain 11-24-2013 09:36 PM ET (US) what do you think of oats 21 thrawn 11-24-2013 09:00 PM ET (US) yeah. not as sure as I was though.. he voted for me but hasn't spent all that much time talking to the thread about me. if he really thinks I'm scum he's certainly not trying to get me lynched lol godfucking dammit pandain I didn't even want to think about that possibility but now I am 20 Pandain 11-24-2013 08:50 PM ET (US) You think Austin is town, right? 19 Pandain 11-24-2013 08:44 PM ET (US) I don't think that has much bearing. I played a game, White Flag mafia, and it was basically this scenario. We caught a scum and they couldn't be lynched or else they lost. Guess what they did? Exactly what Risen is doing. 18 thrawn 11-24-2013 07:05 PM ET (US) lol i agree 100% with what alak just posted in thread.... wifom diarrhea. idk, i think i'm gonna have to see if he actually intends to get himself lynched. >>>obviously don't post this next bit in thead<<<< if he changes his mind about lynching himself then he is probably town. if he rides it out all the way and shows no interest in lynching a scumread, then probably scum 17 Pandain 11-24-2013 07:00 PM ET (US) I don't know, I've made my thoughts clear. No sense to barrage you though I think you're slightly scummy now. Remember there are four scum btw. 16 thrawn 11-24-2013 06:50 PM ET (US) lol tbh i have no fucking clue what to think of or do with coag. i'm gonna have to do some meta research to figure that guy out 15 thrawn 11-24-2013 06:49 PM ET (US) 1. Confirmed town basically Mig and Supersoft both had him as #1 target. SS got DOUBLE SHOT. If he was wrong, scum would have probably just took out two other townies, THEN killed SS after we mislynched. >>I don't even consider this a reason. Pure nk wifom logic which I never partake of 2. He's martrying himself and it's completely illogical, wouldn't help town. >>yeah this kinda pisses me off and confuses me, and it's the only reason that makes me doubt my read. as mig pointed out if we lynch scum then kp goes down by 1, so why doesn't he want this to happen? but it really doesn't make sense for him to martry as scum for the same reason, because scum kp would go down by 1. i have no idea what to make of him martrying, but his "town" explanation for why he's doing so makes sense if he truly thinks that there is no way he's not going to get lynched from now through the rest of the game. 3.He's changed reads constantly and they've all been weak. He thought I was scum for the mason logs lol. >>>changing reads constantly is more of a town tell imo. can you show me why his read changes suit scum agenda based on who's flipped so far? 4. Besides his scum reads, he's had poor reasoning throughout. And how did we catch scum before? Poor reasoning: BC. It's more of a scum tell then I ever thought, and why I'm pressuring you and why despite you really having no good reasons WHY he's town, you're happy to say that a claimed mad hatter must be scum because he is basically being a dick in thread. >>>i haven;t thought his posts have been illogical. his ability to make logical posts all throughout the last lynch when he was one of the main targets is what led me to think he's town in the first place 14 Pandain 11-24-2013 06:42 PM ET (US) What do you think about coag. 13 Pandain 11-24-2013 06:36 PM ET (US) If Vayne is scum and Risen is town, there's no reason to ward a lynch away from him. Furthermore, if you're town, then there's no reason to simaeltaneously ward town away from two suspicious individuals. That doesn't make ANY sense. With four scum left, there's a limited supply of people who scum can cast suspicion on. Negating two of them is not helpful. 12 Pandain 11-24-2013 06:35 PM ET (US) There is so little reason to believe Risen is town that if you're debating this, then you're probably scum. 1. Confirmed town basically Mig and Supersoft both had him as #1 target. SS got DOUBLE SHOT. If he was wrong, scum would have probably just took out two other townies, THEN killed SS after we mislynched. 2. He's martrying himself and it's completely illogical, wouldn't help town. 3.He's changed reads constantly and they've all been weak. He thought I was scum for the mason logs lol. 4. Besides his scum reads, he's had poor reasoning throughout. And how did we catch scum before? Poor reasoning: BC. It's more of a scum tell then I ever thought, and why I'm pressuring you and why despite you really having no good reasons WHY he's town, you're happy to say that a claimed mad hatter must be scum because he is basically being a dick in thread. 11 thrawn 11-24-2013 06:34 PM ET (US) "if Vayne is scum, then Risen is most likely scum as well." explain this 10 Pandain 11-24-2013 06:24 PM ET (US) 1. It doesn't change the fact and you haven't adddressed or simply are purposely ignoring the fact that if Vayne is scum, then Risen is most likely scum as well. 2. He did justify his reads before, they were just mostly crap and based on single post analysis, but Vayne has done that before 3. Risen is voting himself, who in his eyes must be a confirmed town read. 9 thrawn 11-24-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) Does it look like he's doing that? he is engaging in conversation with people in a way that looks like he actually wants them to change their minds? every time he gets into a discussion and things get to the nitty-gritty he clams up and plays the "fuck everyone I'm not gonna talk" card it IS scummy because he';s not ACTUALLY trying to ward off the lynches. he's not trying to convince anyone of anything, be it his town reads or his scum reads ffs he is voting his town read risen! 8 Pandain 11-24-2013 06:16 PM ET (US) So he's trying to ward off town from the two top town lynches? Doesn't seem like a very scummy thing to do. 7 thrawn 11-24-2013 06:09 PM ET (US) Why not? Right now I'm thinking risen is town, and I'm town. So vayne's claiming to be town reading the two main lynches, and he's not willing to talk about or push his scumread! It's the perfect cover for not actually having to participate in discussion and he can go "I told you so" after the lynch yeah I agree with you abhout koshi. I disagreed with his rayn case but I think he might have just been burned by losing to rayn in WC2 and was really paranoid about the same thing happening again. I was gonna rethink my read on him but he came back to the thread so I'm not worried about him for now. 6 Pandain 11-24-2013 05:35 PM ET (US) Think about it this way; Why would scum Vayne go against town sentiment if Risen is town. ITS SO IMPORTANT for scum this lynch because it basically decides if they lose the game. 2kp into one if we lynch scum. 5 Pandain 11-24-2013 05:31 PM ET (US) Koshi is pretty solidly town in my eyes, his case on Rayn seemed very genuine. 4 Pandain 11-24-2013 05:30 PM ET (US) Vayne has a weird playstyle. He was like this in ## which is why I was suspicious of him originally, and he failed in that game despite being "town" in everyone's eyes because he didn't actually argue anything. I could conceivably see him faking a mad hatter claim and simply now trying to do what he failed in ##. The problem however, is that even if that is the case, it means that Risen is still likely scum because scum Vayne would only risk his neck out if he had to. 3 thrawn 11-24-2013 05:15 PM ET (US) i sent the pm like right after your initial post :p my read on you had just took a turn for the better because you were actually tryng to talk with me and figure things out. 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On November 28 2013 05:21 Coagulation wrote: oats onegu lm are all better lynches before me btw. Unfortunately no. Not only have you been completely useless, you also defended BC. And you're a part of the people pushing Grack Next, you claimed VT; the people who are scum (since they still have roles in roleblocker and Suicide bomber) can't fakeclaim in this situation, or it would be hard to. So they're probably in the VT realm. | ||
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On November 27 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote: If 1. Everyone has voted by 24h, and 2. Not more than one person objects to ending the day early (via PM to me) then I can end this day 24h early. Otherwise day will remain 48 hours. | ||
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He's given no real reasons why Onegu or LM is scum, and I'm interested in hearing them | ||
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Tomorrow Risen is still going to be lynched so not much is going to happen When things aren't happening, that benefits scum because they can post useless material and town isn't focusing on targets which is when they are most productive. I find it hard to believe you're now trying to "benefit town" when you've done absolutely nothing all game. For someone who doesn't contribute at all you're quite interested in making sure others can contribute (who probably won't anyway). | ||
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On November 28 2013 06:36 Pandain wrote: So I'm still interested in hearing why LM and Onegu are suspicious to you or if you're randomly throwing suspicion on anyone you can. | ||
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There might be not, but it's better to go after a potential one who could ruin the game for town. Why the resistance risen | ||
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1. What animal would you trust the most and then turn to 2. Who do you think is an especially loud animal that seems to have influence enough to stop any amount of immortals 3. Who do you think the zoo should sacrifice first that's not risen 4.what animals are you unsure about | ||
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On November 29 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote: Woah woah woah, you just read what risen said "everything I said was a lie" and then voted onegu?? Also this Basically claims scum and then your like ALRIGHT GUYS ONEGU | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:24 thrawn2112 wrote: Onegu is scum! Look at his reads list... he has the two lynch candidates as town... but how much effort does he put into trying to save them? Close to none with rayn (who only got lynched because of BC but he was still a person people wanted to kill) and absolutely none with BC. After not trying to save his town reads... he completely throws away his votes. The thing about this post is like it's way too good a point to make on a scum buddy | ||
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I hadn't even ever considered scenarios in which Risen is town. | ||
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Esp. Onegu. Hopeless seems town | ||
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But he did vote Risen early on, earlier then you Holy when he didn't have to. Furthermore, we're complaining that he's useless, and he has been, but he has been sharing opinions and Coag is generally useless. Also he's been like openly taunting/mocking me and that seems more like a town thing to do considering it could have backfired on him. A big suspicious thing is that he thought BC was town, but in reality was there much hope of saving him so why not bus? I think scum probably lie elsewhere, or at least we shouldn't lynch him tomorrow | ||
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Want to stay and chat? | ||
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Putting so much effort, both in QT and in thread. Like more then Austin actually it's pretty incredible. And then he did push for BC and Thrawn so pretty indicative. | ||
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On November 15 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote: hm mocsta is either scum for jumping on lynchbait or town jumping on lynchbait. Pointless. Makes sense if Oats is scum, less if Oats is town. 2. Super Weak and weird on Mocsta On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice. The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too. On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly. So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Here he was like saying Mocsta is scum, and then ends with null. He does the same thing with Hiro, declares him slightly scummy, and never follows up on him. 3. On November 15 2013 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Thanks for this controversial read Rayn. Now scumhunt and stop defending your townreads. It wasn't certain that Yamato is town and that's the impression we get from Oats. Admittedly it was likely 4. He never pushed anyone day one. Ended, despite his reads on Mocsta and hiro, it ends with "lynch mig!" 5. On November 18 2013 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Im scum. Surprisingly more likely to come from scum. Town don't want to cast suspicion on themselves, even as a joke. But it's a good scum play because "NO WAY WOULD YOU CLAIM EVEN AS A JOKE". See me and Palmar in Thug Life where we both claimed mafia day one. 6. Day two went after Thrawn with good points. Didn't get suspicious of Thrawn. Didn't push him. 7. On November 21 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Either BC or SS is scum. ##vote SS GOO SS. Risen, why did you drop your policy lynch on Grack? Why is Grack making a joke about being masons with Coag scummy? ##vote Risen Before this he was totally laying it out on BC 8. Voted Risen, argued against a Thrawn lynch. mmmm 9. Hasn't pushed any of his own lynches himself | ||
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Oats has been extremely wishy-washy about confirmed scum. He had points on Mocsta, never said that meant he's scum. Said hiro was slightly scummy, made good points against him, never argued for him. Said points against BC, voted SS until it was already obvious and then he switched to BC. He gave several weak reads on other random people that he never pushed either. He has never tried to push his own read and it's now day five. He argued against the Thrawn lynch and stayed on Risen. | ||
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Like Oats is more scummy with the information that we know, Onegu is more just playing really really poorly. I would rather lynch Oats first. | ||
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Poll: Who will die tonight? Mig (3) Pandain(lolz) (1) Vayne (1) Holy (0) Austin(lolz but less) (0) Grack (0) Cheesecake (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Who will die tonight? (Vote): Mig | ||
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I have confirmed town as grack, austin, probably holy, mig, vayne. | ||
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He's been posting way hardcore in both mason logs and the thread. More then most others probably in terms of content. He pushed two scum in Thrawn and BC and voted for both of them. And compare it with his scum game just now in basic, he put way less effort into that. Seems to me he's town. | ||
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Who do you think is town, who are your choices to lynch today | ||
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He's more then willing to tunnel someone into oblivion as town. | ||
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They should be our top lynches | ||
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I don't get your points on him | ||
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What are you talking about. | ||
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On November 30 2013 10:37 Pandain wrote: Lonemeow is basically a shot in the dark, why would you lynch him. I don't get your points on him | ||
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2. You can tell me why Oats might be town. Otherwise, it's just a lynch and might be wrong but I doubt it. See my case, the fact SS got double-shot, etc... 3. You being voted for is basically an advancement towards lylo. And it's worse because you would want it to be certain you're lynched while it would only be possible otherwise. | ||
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And I still don't see how people can think martrying themselves is good, but then against Risen did it despite clearly being explained not to so idk | ||
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But Oats helps solve that because he loves to bus. | ||
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You have no opinion on me? | ||
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Even less likely is Vayne risking that and claiming MH, and breadcrumbing it from day one. That shows clear intent from day one. Scum don't think that far ahead | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Pandain 11-20-2013 07:27 PM ET (US) Bye love you 32 Pandain 11-19-2013 05:34 PM ET (US) I didn't know this. I specifically asked if I was town to you and you ignored it. When you avoided the issue I found it suspicious. But I think you're town anyway so I'm going to continue analyzing other people 31 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:32 PM ET (US) You'll find that when I am told by someone I trust that hes telling someone they should mason me that theres reason for it. I took that reason as trust and given that I had my own town read on you why wouldnt I share? Seriously, I shouldn't have to explain town reads. 30 Pandain 11-19-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) SS was actually suspicious of me up until we left being mason partners, there's no way I would know that he now thinks I'm town. I wasn't worried about you claiming in thread, just you claiming to me when I didn't know you had reasons for thinking I was town since you never explained them. 29 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:25 PM ET (US) I told you for this. I know you were masoned to him day 1, so was I. I figured you'd like to know that hey, I have a huge town read on SS, he has town read on you. Ill be upfront with you and trust a guy I think is town. Why did I not want to claim actively in thread? BECAUSE RAYN WAS FUCKING FISHING. His entire theory was centered on bh being a mason who masoned a specific player. My issue with actively claiming is fucking outing two blues for no fucking reason. The fact I think your town means hey, maybe I should share info with you in the offchance i you know, die? 28 Pandain 11-19-2013 04:08 PM ET (US) Also I think after seeing Rayn the best way to play as mafia is to spam so fucking much no one wants to analyze you 27 Pandain 11-18-2013 11:42 PM ET (US) I mean you did and you told me who you want to mason 26 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) I didn't actively claim mason to you tbh. Its a subtle claim I used on ve because VE is one of now 3 people who know I masoned him yesterday.(provided SS didn't tell you yesterday) I have told ss I think mig is unlikely to be mafia for those reasons yes. I also don't remember a game where scum kept those kind of notes. However in the days I played super actively there were very few people who kept notes in general on a google doc that anyone could access. 25 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:12 PM ET (US) With ss* 24 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:11 PM ET (US) This is also besides but did you share the mig notes with mig. I'm also wondering if you've ever played a game where scum kept notes like that, mig is a busy man he doesn't have time to pull shenanigans like that 23 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:10 PM ET (US) Like you revealing your a mason is so weird to me considering I was probably pretty suspicious day one trying to save Mocsta. I don't know why you would post it here for me to see 22 Pandain 11-18-2013 09:56 PM ET (US) Did you think I was town before this because I'm interested why you would claim mason to me when you berated Rayn for trying to find out masons 21 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:51 PM ET (US) I think hes like me and just gets way to heated way to fast and gets lost in things -_- I need to step back and look at this shit with a fresh perspective so Ima lay off grack for now and attempt to look elsewhere. Hopeless still looks like trash though. 20 Pandain 11-18-2013 08:33 PM ET (US) It's prob a combination of him being right plus him being a dick 19 Pandain 11-18-2013 04:20 PM ET (US) also rayn pisses me off every time he posts I'm going to just ignore him now 18 Pandain 11-18-2013 03:38 PM ET (US) Do you think I'm town 17 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 12:23 PM ET (US) I don't know what to make of this entire bit going on right now with rayn and oats. Both are doing things that make me think "town all the way" but both are also doing things that just seems so fucking scummy 16 Pandain 11-18-2013 12:04 AM ET (US) oh sorry meant not going to do a real analysis until tomorrow 15 Pandain 11-18-2013 12:00 AM ET (US) I haven't yet analyzed Oats, not going to do a real analysis(don't think I've been playing like I should, I only do quick glimpses and have too much confirmation bias.) But I'm noting now that his response to being accused strikes me as very town. Quickly dismisses SS almost comicly and then moves onto other things. Not a long response to the post, but instead a townie response like a "Lol" 14 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 11:24 PM ET (US) scratch the bit on his analysis promising totally misread one of his posts -_- I still think he looks bad but he didn't promise anything. 13 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 11:22 PM ET (US) given how little time hes had in the game hes doing really well establishing himself. I really really really don't like hopeless1nder He comes back after 2 full days of absence and promised to read up and post an analysis on holyflare and not only is he not really contributing anything on return, or before he left, but he had 2 days to fucking write something on a player and he hasn't released it. More than enough time to read up and post thoughts by now. 12 Pandain 11-17-2013 11:03 PM ET (US) I think Thrawn is town so far he's pushing people for his reads, questioning, and overall seems unafraid 11 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:52 PM ET (US) im currently filter diving mocstas scum games to see how he interacts with his teammates. Hoping to find some gem in there that will sort out his filter a bit. 10 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely 9 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) I think I have a problem though with trying to find "one" piece of evidnece that helps an alignment guess. I need to be more comprehensive, but this is definitely a plus for Mig. Although he's not active as of today, I misread it. I like his notes format though, I'm going to copy it for future games. 8 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:44 PM ET (US) Yeah there's no reason to think MIG is anything but town in my eyes; his inactivity is supplemneted by his obvious activity (even doing meta research and then updating) them in his notes Fact that only I probably knew it was a google drive and thus would be updated and visible to us supplements the idea that he's town. 7 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:42 PM ET (US) so I think it's intersting because he's clearly putting in a ton of effort when it wouldn't be recognized. If he was scum, he wouldn't need to do notes unless he wants to seem town and talk about them; problem is he did talk about them originaly (made me suspicious) but didn't later. Idk i think mig is town, lurking, waiting until he's confident. I played with him before and only thing is he was more active there, but I think he's just biding his time now 6 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) actually that note thing is super intense 5 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) I think mig is town because he's still updating his notes. https://docs.google.com/a/udel.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing#gid=0 You can actually see them here He's lurking though because it's updated up to this cycle, so I don't know what that means 4 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:32 PM ET (US) been waiting for 30 minutes for a host to set it up, but Ill be having supersoft as my mason for the day. 3 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:03 PM ET (US) good day sir pandaman 2 Pandain 11-17-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) hi 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) Pandain + BloodyC0bbler Day 2/Night 2 Helps point that Hopeless might be town, though not certain. 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On November 30 2013 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote Onegu I dont see how people have a problem voting here. Stop waffling and put your money where your mouth is. Your "read" on onegu is pretty bullshit. Never even mentioned him before last cycle; what happened to your forever top read Coag? I'd like to hear why you think onegu is scum | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And if SS is town then Oats is probably scum, yeah? Because dat roleblock obviously hit mafia KP and it wasn't a gosudoc/double stack. On November 24 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We're following SS's list. What happened to this line of thought On November 24 2013 09:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I want a formal massclaim tomorrow, actions and all. Dont fakeclaim as town. I want to count the blues and see whats what Well, did you do anything. Actually now it seems pretty anti-town. I never saw you follow up on this. You also put way too much effort into your "If Risen is town" post considering you were extremely confident he would be scum. | ||
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Like i think a huge reason why I can be town is obvious through my mason chats, so it should help figure out the alignment for both of you | ||
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Did he ever do anything with that? Noooo lolllll he wanted to actually lynch SS and risen instead | ||
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On December 02 2013 03:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah that doesnt really make sense LM. Pandain, explain how me not bussing makes me scum. That's not what said. I mean that bussing isn't an indicator for you unless you absolutely help lead their lynch which you never did. And that you are suspicious in other ways | ||
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Mm actions louder then words. Did he ever actually push Mocsta, Austin. Did he say oh shut your scummy. He defended thrawn. He never actually voted for BC. Regardless of cheesecakes alignment, oats is probably scum. And I do think that maybe we shouldn't lynch a guy who voted to lower mafia kp. Today at least | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:00 Holyflare wrote: So someone starts a lot of effort into the game and your first remark is that he is scum lynch with fire? No, but that it's weird when he thinks someone is scum to put 1000x more effort into a post where he talks about what if risen is town. Like I completely ignored that thought because I was sure risen was scum. It's weird to justify that amount of pre effort when you think someone is scum Especially when it turns out that guy is town | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:02 Holyflare wrote: The only questionable thing that he has done imo is switching to onegu with me when risen posted that he was lying, anything else you have been mentioning is so far gone from scumlike that I don't know what to say. Someone starts to put in effort AFTER scum kp goes down to 1 when scum are most likely to lose. Do you think that's the mentality of someone losing the game? He could have maintained his attitude of non-contribution and snuck past and you'd still think he was scummy because of lack of contribution, so what tool does a town person have to get away from scum/scum scenarios at that point? Actually that should be the mentality of scum who now have to appear pro town to secure neccessary mislynches, so yes | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote: If oats was scum why wouldn't he just switch to risen and then thrawn could move over? I mean I agree oats is scummy as hell and I made a case on him day 2 but what sense does that make? He was on risen. He argued against a thrawn lynch | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:28 austinmcc wrote: Do you have other active games from him? Cuz he wasn't aprticularly active in thug life. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=Oatsmaster Same thing as here, pushed as a mislynch by mafia, only avoided it because he got a town check from Koshi. And after that check, he proceeded to not be a massive force the next day and then get shot at some point? I actually disagree he progressed the thread plenty with his questions throughout the game, maybe didn't lead a lynch but it was pretty obvious he was looking Also I would rather compare the more recent game | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: WHICH MEANS HES THE ASSASISN Also at least 1 mason is scum, we should lynch into the mason pool and all the masons should claim tmr morning with their reads on mason buddies. Can you explain his assassin conclusion as town | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:04 austinmcc wrote: ACK THESE VOTES ARE SO STRANGE Not if they're both scum | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:15 austinmcc wrote: If both are scum then scum would have been setting up one or both of onegu and coag as mislynches. Yet apart from holyflare, who is getting no traction on coag, nobody is really pushing to lynch those two. I don't think that makes sense. Two scum up for lynch what do they do. Bus one gain credit is best they can do. Say oh that means other is town. Better than anything else they could without all revealing themselves as obv scum by trying to stop both. Also both curiously were hesitant to vote the other and then both inexplicably, despite both certain to vote onegu, now vote each other rather than campaign for onegu | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:56 Alakaslam wrote: You should have pushed my martyr, or should want to lynch pandain as well, or think he was just plain wrong. Why would he want to lynch me lol. How can you think I'm suspicious. I'm pretty obviously townie, just bad. | ||
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He picks Alak who has 19 pages, had 6 in his scum game of B2B, when he said he wanted to lynch lurkers. Also called Alak a lurker. Lol, may be useless, but not a lurker. His push yesterday was unfocused, came at the last second. On December 02 2013 07:12 Holyflare wrote: What's up! I don't think we should lynch cheesecake today by the way, he has only really been discussed VERY recently and you have had no back and forth, austin you are in agreement (presumably because half the things you said on coag were what I said in my case) on coag and he HAS been discussed and was part of the original lynch plan. I am much more comfortable lynching him over cheesecake unless you can wholeheartedly convince me otherwise. ##Vote Coag This contrasts with his push of saying to lynch Alak, who no one was really talking about before. Seems out of place. A lot of his lynch didn't make sense. Next, despite him saying that Oats was quote: "Scummy as hell", he was never a serious canidate for Holy. That's weird to me considering he said quote: "scummy as hell." Next, if Holy had been the only sane townie, then why did mafia shoot Vayne and not Holy, the last beacon of sanity. I would still rather lynch Coag. I still doubt SS got shot only for his role block nature, and that he was right on only one scum. Onegu next. Then we'll go from there. | ||
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On December 04 2013 08:12 Alakaslam wrote: Do you see it, pandain/Coag? I am epically scum. I pushed myself when it wasn't lylo-mylo- close whatever, now you need this nagging doubt that I'm scum. My voting pattern is essentially :O Thrawn so wise :O BC so wise :O sheep time So I look more scum than scum. Risen on the other hand had something to give the game and people weren't even gonna lunch him till he pushed himself so hard he determined the game off his flip. However I just remembered cheese flipped town Why aren't we Hold on Okay fine if you want it that bad we can lynch you after Coag and then lose the game. gratz | ||
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 12-02-2013 08:01 PM ET (US) CLOSED 52 onegu 12-02-2013 07:00 AM ET (US) Have you reread hopeless yet? 51 onegu 12-01-2013 02:40 PM ET (US) You mean oats? Because I felt better about a CC lynch after what austin said. Like basicly its odd oats hasnt really pushed a lynch, and he didnt vote BC, but CC looks much worse with his read switches and the risen thing. 50 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:00 PM ET (US) Why did you Unvote cc 49 onegu 12-01-2013 01:12 PM ET (US) yeah I dont like hopeless much, and like to be honest I dont put that much stock on what dead scum have said, like if you are null that can tip the scale, but it shouldnt make someone town or scum on its own. 48 Pandain 12-01-2013 01:08 PM ET (US) Yeah hopeless suspicious because of his "oh can't convince anyone pandain is scum so I won't do shit" 47 onegu 12-01-2013 11:12 AM ET (US) /m43 the bus part is in reference to /m6 What are your thoughts on that? 46 onegu 12-01-2013 10:38 AM ET (US) I thought he actually voted BC, yeah Im good with a oats vote. 45 onegu 12-01-2013 10:29 AM ET (US) Wait did oats not vote BC? 44 onegu 12-01-2013 10:26 AM ET (US) Actually LMs post on oats looks good I could go with that. 43 onegu 12-01-2013 08:20 AM ET (US) Is this a bus then? Yeah I feel you and austin are for sure town Coag, grack, LM and VA are likely town Slam is a coin flip that leaves oats and hopeless in the likely scum HF and MRCC as scum Im ok to vote for anyone in the bottom 4 but prefer MRCC as a HF lynch wont happen at this stage. 42 onegu 12-01-2013 05:40 AM ET (US) Also I really dont like how Mr. Cc came back into the thread, like I said I was going to make a case on him then austin steals my thunder while I am trying to write things from my tablet. But no CC says my case is opportunistic.... 41 onegu 12-01-2013 05:34 AM ET (US) Grack is town, i thoight he might be scum earlier with his trolling, but he has kept it up the entire game, was early on BC, and voted thrawn also. Not much to say on LM, I still hold to the statement a scum team isnt going to let him mason a town yamato day 1, it just isnt going to happen. And LM would ask before doing amything, I have been scum with him twice and he always asks. I still have no idea why HF thinks otherwise if he is town after playimg scum with him in hogwarts. 40 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:35 AM ET (US) Oats/Cheesecake are my top reads definitely. 39 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:26 AM ET (US) I completely understand haha that's more important 38 onegu 12-01-2013 02:47 AM ET (US) I believe you are town, a scum mason wouldnt mason me its not worth it as I was a very likely person to die today and my voice carries little weight. Also I have a handicapped son that is very handicappped and when he has any kind of issue I have to give him 100% of my attention so I am still readimg as there was a problem with my sons trach when he rolled over. He is sleeping now so I shouldnt have more interuptions. 37 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:17 AM ET (US) This better be the best filter analysis I've ever heard in my life 36 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:51 AM ET (US) I'll give reasons why I should be town to you, because I think you're going to need to trust me. Only three votes are out right now. You're an easy lynch, and no one else is going to get lynched except you, Cheesecake, or Oats. I don't think CC is conclusive enough. Here's why I'm town: 1. All my mason choices have been clear town. First three were Supersoft, BC, and then Mig. That shows lack of fear, and my mason logs are pretty legit. Esp B.C., where we disagree a lot and there's actually emotional conflict in there. I masoned Grack which makes sense because Grackapack. I masoned Hopeless and now you to figure out your guys' alignment. All town mason choices unlike Thrawn who with masons like Koshi and Rayne shows that he was scared. 2. Most people who are dead thought I was town. I masoned SS and Mig, and they're confirmed town, and they had strong town reads on me. Prob cuz they liked me in mason chats. 3. I've clearly shown an interst to lynch scum, not just Oats. I'm talking with you and trying to figure out who is scum, actually getting conversation started. 35 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:10 AM ET (US) I think I've filtered everyone so let me know if you have any comments, questions, or anything. 34 onegu 11-30-2013 11:48 PM ET (US) Will do you and VA today as I have no other plans for today. Then I still want to get to HF. 33 onegu 11-30-2013 11:46 PM ET (US) Grack and then LM 32 Pandain 11-30-2013 11:22 PM ET (US) Who are you filtering now 31 Pandain 11-30-2013 11:12 PM ET (US) He wouldn't be afraid I would catch him hahahaha 30 onegu 11-30-2013 11:11 PM ET (US) Maybe he was afraid you would catch him so he just shut up. I can see where you are comeing from with oats, I havent played enough with him to know his meta well. I just know he doesnt do much but is in your face about it. I could vote him, would prefer a CC or HF lynch. Im going to finish my filter reads today. 29 Pandain 11-30-2013 07:32 PM ET (US) Also Hopeless like didn't even give the apperance of wanting to talk to me in our chat. He was like "Lol scum nice try", which doesn't seem like a mafia thing to do 28 Pandain 11-30-2013 07:08 PM ET (US) I'm decidely less sure on a Cheesecake lynch. He might just genuinely think you are scum after all you were somewhat suspicious 27 Pandain 11-30-2013 04:48 PM ET (US) This is not town Oats. He is way too passive in picking lynches and going after people. Seems way more indicative of mafia then town, who have an objective to find scum. 26 Pandain 11-30-2013 02:45 PM ET (US) And it's not that he hasn't made a case, it's that he hasn't even pushed a lynch except Risen against Thrawn. And it's day 6. That's not Oats 25 Pandain 11-30-2013 02:45 PM ET (US) Eh Hopeless also was the target of conversation of BC. I forget if he said it to SS or me, but he said he wanted to lynch him. That's not certain since BC didn't push him, but I think it's something to note. I just think Oats is way better to be honest. Hopeless could just be playing bad, is there any reason why he's SCUMMY 24 onegu 11-30-2013 01:07 PM ET (US) Yeah and as town he never made anything close to a case like that in hogwarts. He did make one case as town in WC2 mafia, but it looks much more thought out and in depth ill link it for you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...currentpage=91#1815 23 onegu 11-30-2013 12:58 PM ET (US) Rayn was first, its almost like he saw who a really vocal townie made a case then added a bit and made his own case, because he doesnt talk about you before that and then tunnels you the rest of the game. 22 onegu 11-30-2013 12:55 PM ET (US) Moment I need to look whose case on you was up first rayn or hopeless. 21 onegu 11-30-2013 12:53 PM ET (US) And jeez does he tunnel you into oblivion. Did you do something to him in mason chat that got deleted? Then a flip onto thrawn, and then a risen vote and never heard from again. I think he has a better chance to flip scum than oats tbh. Like look what he does with LM and coag. He brings them up only to say they should be ignored until lylo? Yes he voted for thrawn and BC, but the timeings seem off, like thats who he had to vote for. He had a town read rayn, so he cant vote him. I guess he could habe voted risen, but that still doesnt save BC. And he was lateish to the party on thrawn also. 20 onegu 11-30-2013 12:36 PM ET (US) And have you actually read hopeless case on you? Man you are confirmed scum (sarcasm), because you KNOW mig is town and letting scum see his notes. That case seems kinda forced, he never did anything like that in hogwarts iirc I need to check. 19 onegu 11-30-2013 12:32 PM ET (US) The wishy washy I will give you his reads go all over the place. you mean the twrawn lynch he was all risen is scum, then all of a sudden risen martyring is townie but vote risen. 18 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:07 PM ET (US) He never led his own lynch. He was very wispy washy on all scum and tried to stop a risen lynch 17 onegu 11-30-2013 07:54 AM ET (US) Im fairly null on oats, other than being wromg alot, calling out people for not finding scum day one then not finding scum. Then says SS is scummier than BC changes to BC late with little reason then is like am I still scum, I was right about BC. Then wrong about mig, wrong about risen, wrong about multiple people, Right about VE lol. And not really doing anything. Like I could lynch him but I feel much better Mr. Cc is scum. 16 onegu 11-30-2013 03:19 AM ET (US) Ok I am going to my wifes dermatologist first then the mall, the doctors office doesnt have wifi but the mall does. I have Oats filter open and all on one page so I can read while I am there, also have grack, and hopeless open also. Other than you I have town reads on everyone else, except HF and I will work on those later. Null on you, but doubt you would mason me as scum. 15 onegu 11-30-2013 12:58 AM ET (US) Ok Im going to shower I will be back in a few and start my read of oats. 14 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:58 AM ET (US) Let me know when you read Oats. And I 100% agree. I haven't told him that thought because I want to see how he reacts. If he is faking it, then we have to keep him on the suspicious line so he feels pressured. Otherwise, if he's scum and played the insane card he'll keep doing it 13 onegu 11-30-2013 12:56 AM ET (US) /m11 But I also dont think scum slam would martyr like he is. This is why I have a very hard time reading slam. 12 onegu 11-30-2013 12:51 AM ET (US) Ok, I will push him to the back burner for now. 11 onegu 11-30-2013 12:47 AM ET (US) I am finishing catching up now and slam looks really bad for his reason to not want to lynch oats. But also yes slam is normally that confused. 10 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) helped gurantee it* 9 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Honestly Holy pushed both BC and Thrawn, and while you can say he did it because they were about to die, or momentum was shifting that way, he helped shield it. I think if we slowly lynch more scum his alignment will become more clear. And if we hit lylo, then he can be up. But don't go after him first. 8 onegu 11-30-2013 12:42 AM ET (US) I will read oats today while I am out. Also when I wrote the CC thing it was 330am for me and I knew I was going out today, sorry for peaceing out. 7 onegu 11-30-2013 12:40 AM ET (US) I agree. Also you need to look more at hogwarts mafia, not b2b for holy meta. Holy knew he had to switch his playstyle up in b2b, and did so commenting on you havent seen me play like this as town or scum. 6 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:38 AM ET (US) Actually, cheesecake is even more sketchy then I thought. Like not really putting analysis out there yet throwing reads on people, doubt he could support them to be honest. At one point he was like "oh god this guy is scummy, this guy too". Then later "shenanigans to other people?" Just weird play, but I think Oats/CC, if they are scum, are on the same team tbh. Not definitive but it makes sense to me. And I think Oats is more likely to flip scum. 5 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:34 AM ET (US) Cheesecake came out of nowhere to make a giant post on a part that most people weren't thinking about: Risen being town. It was also a weird thing to make a post about; he didn't do any actual analysis, just a reflection and a game plan. I think he could be scum. 4 onegu 11-30-2013 12:18 AM ET (US) good morning. 1. some real life stuff happened and I missed over 24 hours of the game. 2. I planning on makeing a updated case on him. I cannot shake the feeling of him being scum 3. Yes for the portion leading up to it I was afk in both games I was playing that is when I had irl stuff come up. 4. HF, Mr. Cheesecake. Not coag. Will do my filterdive of oats today and see what I think of him. 5. I have a really hard time reading slam. He came into the game with a new attitude than previous games and I felt he was town for it, but now he has basicly dropped it, started posting in codes and not makeing sense. This doesnt sit well with me but he wouldnt be my lynch choice for today. I am going to the mall today but believe it or not that is when I get the most work done in game while my wife shops. What are your thoughts on cheesecake? As I read these filters Ill let you know what I am feeling and see if we are on close to the same page. 3 Pandain 11-29-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) What do you think about slam? 2 Pandain 11-29-2013 08:15 PM ET (US) Hey you have a lot of questions to answer 1. Why have you been so lackluster this game 2. What do you think about HF now 3. Were you just totally gone during the Thrawn lynch 4. Who do you want to lynch today. 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-29-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) Pandain + Onegu mason Day 6/Night 6 | ||
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Now you're trying to lead town to lynch Slam with poor reasoning. As I said, Slam unvoting doesn't mean it's town or scum, it just means its weird. Risen played weird, he wasn't scum. He brought huge suspicion to himself. I think something to point out is that slam never tried to push someone away from Thrawn, and no one ended up unvoting thrawn, and I think both of these things point to the fact that mafia just bussed thrawn. And Onegu, Slam, and I are the ones who didn't vote Thrawn. And I'm not scum. So there's at least one scum who voted thrawn, and I have town reads on Slam and Onegu(less). And here you are saying there has to be at least one scum off the thrawn wagon when it's extremely extremely extremely likely they bussed. Furthermore you think I'm scum. I will post my mason logs, there should be no doubt by my interactions with BC in particular that I'm town. | ||
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 08:04 PM ET (US) CLOSED 50 supersoft 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) was nice chatting to you! cu in thread ^_^ 49 supersoft 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) my oats-case is extremely real! he needs to die! 48 supersoft 11-17-2013 09:20 AM ET (US) well, yes masoning BC is a good idea. Please do that. Also if you have another ability combined with your masonpower, please make sure to protect BC. 47 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:10 PM ET (US) In like 12 hours or so when I wake up:p 46 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:05 PM ET (US) I'm going to give you a scum analysis of storr that I've noticed can you critique it 45 Pandain 11-16-2013 10:26 PM ET (US) well idk do what you want. I think I'm going to push BH tomorrow 44 Pandain 11-16-2013 10:25 PM ET (US) if your a mason btw i would start a town circle with ve and yam. 43 Pandain 11-16-2013 09:24 PM ET (US) getting town read on sharrant he's playing like previous games 42 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:28 PM ET (US) Do you think I should mason BC tomorrow and if so what are your thoughts on his alignment and how should I approach him. 41 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:24 PM ET (US) what if everyone is a mason lol you are too 40 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) Have you played with Mocsta before? 39 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) Wasn't that sure on Skanjabs but happy I was right. I would say definitely not three masons but the problem is that I have two roles so I can very easily conceive others having multiple roles. And Lone seems town to me 38 supersoft 11-16-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) ah yes, btw. that was a typical VEs move. That's why i didnt want him in the office. He wasted 10 minutes of time and he didnt discuss his choice. 37 supersoft 11-16-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Gj, so far. The thread looks good right now. We cannot let a paranoia last minute voteswitch happen. I've seen these things far too often and it's never good. We need to settle on VE and myself. 36 Pandain 11-16-2013 06:52 PM ET (US) Oops Basically I don't know I have too many thoughts vote who you want 35 Pandain 11-16-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) Idk do 34 Pandain 11-16-2013 06:45 PM ET (US) Without the tracker thing I say lynch Vayne or sharrant. 33 Pandain 11-16-2013 05:35 PM ET (US) I would lynch Vayne or Rayne. You can also lynch mig if you want but I'm far less confident on him then you are. 32 supersoft 11-16-2013 05:26 PM ET (US) hmm hmm this is difficult.. i am very tired tbh... i think i'll take a nap for about 90 minutes and come back later... you might be right, depending on how accurate my "list" is, voting me could be alignment indicative. I just hope Yamato doesnt get into office ._. 31 Pandain 11-16-2013 05:16 PM ET (US) Anyone who votes you is a town tell to be honest. Unless you're totally wrong of course. 30 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:56 PM ET (US) lynch liars unless they can have a benefit, BH's wouldn't for town. BH is a liar or he's awful 29 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:54 PM ET (US) why then I dont see how unless BH just did a really piss poor play which I wouldn't think he would with a tracker claim 28 supersoft 11-16-2013 03:45 PM ET (US) you might be overthinking this topic :-P 27 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:42 PM ET (US) is my reasoning actually bad im pretty confident or thought i was 26 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:12 PM ET (US) I heavily think Rayn is scum. I also think BH is scum, since he didn't admit he was retarded if he was tracker claiming tracker that means he supposedly thought about it beforehand. That's like cop claiming, you don't do it. His role is pretty important why claim tracker. If he's not, that invites actual trackers to claim. Don't like 25 Pandain 11-16-2013 03:06 PM ET (US) Btw since your town I'm also a veteran 24 supersoft 11-16-2013 02:56 PM ET (US) there is no new light. Both of them are useless trolls. Rayn even wants to lynch me. That idiot has no idea what he's doing. I tried to get something useful out of rayn, when i wanted him to analyze kosh. He proved himself as completely useless back then and that is still the case. Regarding BH i found something very interesting, i shared it in the thread! 23 Pandain 11-16-2013 02:22 PM ET (US) What do you think of Rayn and BH with new light. I think I'll vote you though who will you lynch as of now 22 supersoft 11-16-2013 01:57 PM ET (US) pandain, you fail to vote me. I am disappointed! 21 supersoft 11-16-2013 11:45 AM ET (US) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 look what VE did lategame. He did nothing. He got manipulated and almost modkilled. You don't want him to be mayor. period. 20 supersoft 11-16-2013 11:41 AM ET (US) BH is probably scum... mig is scum, too. coag is also one of my scumreads. Yamato isn't scum, you're right there, but he's no player you want to see in office. The day yamato gets elected into office over me, is the day I quit playing mafia. If marv, syllo, sandro, wbg, palmar or toad or anyone reasonable would be in this game, besides BC and mig (he's scum though) a Yamato mayor could NEVER happen. it blows my mind, that people consider voting for him. Same applys to a lesser degree on VE. Yes he's town, so what? VE is writing everything down he's thinking as town, therefor he's easy to read. But he doesn't kill scum by that. wait a second, I'll show you a game where I was scum and VE was town and I played him like a fiddle. 19 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:15 AM ET (US) What do you think about bh 18 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:11 AM ET (US) Not scummy but bad 17 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:11 AM ET (US) Actually yams recent post was pretty bad 16 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:09 AM ET (US) Btw the above paranoia and such thing was a joke 15 Pandain 11-16-2013 11:09 AM ET (US) I already trust you I didn't mason you to find out if your town. I think Yamato is really clearly town however. I also think he's not a dick as mayor which wouldn't relate to your scum hunting abilities. I think hopeless and Rayn are good scum possibilities. The only thing holding me back from scum mig is I would've thought he would play better as scum if he were scum. Is that a wrong way to approach him? 14 supers 11-16-2013 11:01 AM ET (US) i dont play the game for you. decide if you trust me or not research me. I get shot almost every game at n1. if i survive i do horrible things to scumteams. i need you to trust me on some things otherwise this QT is useless. if you don't help me, you're pushing a scumagenda. i dont want to cuddle with you around. i want that you see that i am town, even though you want to believe i am scum, because you dont like me. BC trusts me and he's undesputable an experienced and smart player. VE trusts me, too. 13 Pandain 11-16-2013 09:57 AM ET (US) I feel like I'm not finding out much from you. Who do you think is town? 12 Pandain 11-16-2013 09:39 AM ET (US) I'm noting paranoia, unwillingness to work with others, 11 supers 11-16-2013 09:11 AM ET (US) lol you're scum. this conversation ends here. 10 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:58 AM ET (US) To clarify I think your claims are unwarranted he would be mayor in a game of mafia not a king of a nation. I don't believe he is paranoid( without reason), maybe selfish but I couldn't say, and he can be convinced like anyone else. You yourself could be said to have the characteristics you see in him 9 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:51 AM ET (US) I'm not going to Unvote him for those reasons and why do you think BC is town. 8 supers 11-16-2013 08:36 AM ET (US) vote BC or me. It's important now. I am probably going to slaughter mig. Got to discuss that with BC first. 7 supers 11-16-2013 08:32 AM ET (US) you need to unvote him. Yamato in office is a worst case scenario for us. he is selfish, paranoid and no teamplayer. We cannot let this happen. 6 Pandain 11-16-2013 08:27 AM ET (US) Hi I'm going to be away from my desktop for like 12 hours. I think yam is town, he's been active throughout and I like his points. Also what I said about us having probably similar thoughts in this game if he's town is true. Idk about mig I gave you all my reads. Do you agree on aka jabs. I confused him a bit with spaghetticus 5 supers 11-16-2013 03:08 AM ET (US) omg you need to unvote yamato right now -_- 4 supers 11-16-2013 03:03 AM ET (US) what do you think about mig? who do you think should get elected? 3 supersoft 11-16-2013 01:29 AM ET (US) hi, I'll be here in about 6 hours. See you. 2 Pandain 11-15-2013 08:36 PM ET (US) Town: yam/ve/Mocsta/Skanjabs/Austin(less sure)/LoneMeow(masoned Yamato, lol scum isn't going to do that),Spaghettic(maybe, nothing to lend me as scum though he's not certain town. I like his post which while listy it was SO comprehensive so that made me think it's serious effort. At least not lynchable for this day, probably next) Hopeless/Storr best scum reads. Storr is so playing newbie card it actually hurts. I hate how much he is appealing to it. And yet he's running for mayor what? Think BC is suspicious tbh but it's mainly that he's not focusing his scumreads and his reads were really bad and I do have a high opinion of his reads. Artanis is also suspicious to me. what do you think is a scum-tell for you and how do you approach the game differently. 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-15-2013 07:34 PM ET (US) Pandain/supersoft Day1/Night1 BC + Show Spoiler + Pandain 11-20-2013 07:27 PM ET (US) Bye love you 32 Pandain 11-19-2013 05:34 PM ET (US) I didn't know this. I specifically asked if I was town to you and you ignored it. When you avoided the issue I found it suspicious. But I think you're town anyway so I'm going to continue analyzing other people 31 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:32 PM ET (US) You'll find that when I am told by someone I trust that hes telling someone they should mason me that theres reason for it. I took that reason as trust and given that I had my own town read on you why wouldnt I share? Seriously, I shouldn't have to explain town reads. 30 Pandain 11-19-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) SS was actually suspicious of me up until we left being mason partners, there's no way I would know that he now thinks I'm town. I wasn't worried about you claiming in thread, just you claiming to me when I didn't know you had reasons for thinking I was town since you never explained them. 29 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:25 PM ET (US) I told you for this. I know you were masoned to him day 1, so was I. I figured you'd like to know that hey, I have a huge town read on SS, he has town read on you. Ill be upfront with you and trust a guy I think is town. Why did I not want to claim actively in thread? BECAUSE RAYN WAS FUCKING FISHING. His entire theory was centered on bh being a mason who masoned a specific player. My issue with actively claiming is fucking outing two blues for no fucking reason. The fact I think your town means hey, maybe I should share info with you in the offchance i you know, die? 28 Pandain 11-19-2013 04:08 PM ET (US) Also I think after seeing Rayn the best way to play as mafia is to spam so fucking much no one wants to analyze you 27 Pandain 11-18-2013 11:42 PM ET (US) I mean you did and you told me who you want to mason 26 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) I didn't actively claim mason to you tbh. Its a subtle claim I used on ve because VE is one of now 3 people who know I masoned him yesterday.(provided SS didn't tell you yesterday) I have told ss I think mig is unlikely to be mafia for those reasons yes. I also don't remember a game where scum kept those kind of notes. However in the days I played super actively there were very few people who kept notes in general on a google doc that anyone could access. 25 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:12 PM ET (US) With ss* 24 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:11 PM ET (US) This is also besides but did you share the mig notes with mig. I'm also wondering if you've ever played a game where scum kept notes like that, mig is a busy man he doesn't have time to pull shenanigans like that 23 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:10 PM ET (US) Like you revealing your a mason is so weird to me considering I was probably pretty suspicious day one trying to save Mocsta. I don't know why you would post it here for me to see 22 Pandain 11-18-2013 09:56 PM ET (US) Did you think I was town before this because I'm interested why you would claim mason to me when you berated Rayn for trying to find out masons 21 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:51 PM ET (US) I think hes like me and just gets way to heated way to fast and gets lost in things -_- I need to step back and look at this shit with a fresh perspective so Ima lay off grack for now and attempt to look elsewhere. Hopeless still looks like trash though. 20 Pandain 11-18-2013 08:33 PM ET (US) It's prob a combination of him being right plus him being a dick 19 Pandain 11-18-2013 04:20 PM ET (US) also rayn pisses me off every time he posts I'm going to just ignore him now 18 Pandain 11-18-2013 03:38 PM ET (US) Do you think I'm town 17 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 12:23 PM ET (US) I don't know what to make of this entire bit going on right now with rayn and oats. Both are doing things that make me think "town all the way" but both are also doing things that just seems so fucking scummy 16 Pandain 11-18-2013 12:04 AM ET (US) oh sorry meant not going to do a real analysis until tomorrow 15 Pandain 11-18-2013 12:00 AM ET (US) I haven't yet analyzed Oats, not going to do a real analysis(don't think I've been playing like I should, I only do quick glimpses and have too much confirmation bias.) But I'm noting now that his response to being accused strikes me as very town. Quickly dismisses SS almost comicly and then moves onto other things. Not a long response to the post, but instead a townie response like a "Lol" 14 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 11:24 PM ET (US) scratch the bit on his analysis promising totally misread one of his posts -_- I still think he looks bad but he didn't promise anything. 13 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 11:22 PM ET (US) given how little time hes had in the game hes doing really well establishing himself. I really really really don't like hopeless1nder He comes back after 2 full days of absence and promised to read up and post an analysis on holyflare and not only is he not really contributing anything on return, or before he left, but he had 2 days to fucking write something on a player and he hasn't released it. More than enough time to read up and post thoughts by now. 12 Pandain 11-17-2013 11:03 PM ET (US) I think Thrawn is town so far he's pushing people for his reads, questioning, and overall seems unafraid 11 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:52 PM ET (US) im currently filter diving mocstas scum games to see how he interacts with his teammates. Hoping to find some gem in there that will sort out his filter a bit. 10 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely 9 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) I think I have a problem though with trying to find "one" piece of evidnece that helps an alignment guess. I need to be more comprehensive, but this is definitely a plus for Mig. Although he's not active as of today, I misread it. I like his notes format though, I'm going to copy it for future games. 8 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:44 PM ET (US) Yeah there's no reason to think MIG is anything but town in my eyes; his inactivity is supplemneted by his obvious activity (even doing meta research and then updating) them in his notes Fact that only I probably knew it was a google drive and thus would be updated and visible to us supplements the idea that he's town. 7 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:42 PM ET (US) so I think it's intersting because he's clearly putting in a ton of effort when it wouldn't be recognized. If he was scum, he wouldn't need to do notes unless he wants to seem town and talk about them; problem is he did talk about them originaly (made me suspicious) but didn't later. Idk i think mig is town, lurking, waiting until he's confident. I played with him before and only thing is he was more active there, but I think he's just biding his time now 6 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) actually that note thing is super intense 5 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) I think mig is town because he's still updating his notes. https://docs.google.com/a/udel.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing#gid=0 You can actually see them here He's lurking though because it's updated up to this cycle, so I don't know what that means 4 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:32 PM ET (US) been waiting for 30 minutes for a host to set it up, but Ill be having supersoft as my mason for the day. 3 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:03 PM ET (US) good day sir pandaman 2 Pandain 11-17-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) hi 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) Pandain + BloodyC0bbler Day 2/Night 2 Hopeless + Show Spoiler + Pandain 11-22-2013 11:20 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE So now that I'm pretty obvious town who do you think is scum and town 10 Pandain 11-22-2013 01:35 PM ET (US) stop lol I hope youre scum because if so this is extra hilarious 9 hopeless1der 11-22-2013 01:34 PM ET (US) Now you want to chat? Nah, not wasting my time. gg scum 8 Pandain 11-22-2013 01:28 PM ET (US) who else are you suspicious of and who do you think is town 7 Pandain 11-21-2013 11:00 PM ET (US) stop im not scum lol 6 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:43 PM ET (US) jk 5 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back. 4 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) yes 3 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) lol 2 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:24 PM ET (US) oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it? 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-21-2013 05:02 PM ET (US) Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3 Mig + Show Spoiler + Mig, it was fun to talk I hope we can later walk the walk and chalk the scum to the dump 36 Pandain 11-29-2013 04:31 PM ET (US) mIg I'm BaD aT tHiS gAmE i need ur analysis 35 Pandain 11-29-2013 04:28 PM ET (US) To be frank I don't think Onegu is playing like mafia. Really the argument is that he's trying to deliberately act like a troll, and that seems to be more inaccurate an analysis then not that people always rely back on. 34 Pandain 11-29-2013 04:22 PM ET (US) Also scum are not setting up a coag lynch at all unless it's holy who I don't think is that scummy yet 33 Pandain 11-29-2013 04:05 PM ET (US) are you here I think the reason you might not have died was because you wanted to get risen lynched. Who you say to lynch tomorrow might influence whether you get shot, so it'll be a good indicator for us. 32 Pandain 11-28-2013 08:34 PM ET (US) going to mason onegu tomorrow and see what i can find 31 Pandain 11-28-2013 08:33 PM ET (US) Top four in my eyes are Cheesecake, Oats, and Holyflare, and onegu. And I don't think we should lynch Onegu tomorrow, instead Oats 30 Pandain 11-28-2013 08:17 PM ET (US) Going to look into Holy/Cheese tomorrow 29 Pandain 11-28-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) I cannot believe Risen played like that as town. 28 Pandain 11-28-2013 08:09 PM ET (US) remember when risen was like lol i hate town, will post random self proclaimed bs reads and make no attempt to save myself despite being alive for four real life days me too 27 Mig 11-27-2013 09:14 PM ET (US) I think austin is town. Regardless of Risen's alignment pushing thrawn so hard is good. He breadcumbed his vet claim. And when BC was fighting to survive right at the end of day3 austin was still arguing and fighting with him. If he was mafia with BC I think he sits back and lets BC try to save himself instead of still arguing 5 minutes before the lynch. And yea he has put a lot of effort into the game. 26 Pandain 11-27-2013 09:08 PM ET (US) Eh that analysis is a one trick pony though. I want to analyze Austin more in depth later 25 Pandain 11-27-2013 09:05 PM ET (US) Also he's be putting in way too much effort like even for a fake 24 Pandain 11-27-2013 09:02 PM ET (US) Austin probably town actually. Thrawn came into game and then immediately tried to trap him. Seems weird if mafia 23 Pandain 11-27-2013 07:48 PM ET (US) I cannot believe onegu is still posting in the other thread 22 Pandain 11-27-2013 07:31 PM ET (US) Like if risen is town: 1. Possibility of modkill because so anti town 2. Worst town play I've seen in a while 21 Mig 11-27-2013 07:27 PM ET (US) haha true, ok so from 99% to 99.7% 20 Pandain 11-27-2013 07:23 PM ET (US) It was already 99 percent likely risen is scum 19 Mig 11-27-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) If onegu doesn't return makes it way more likely Risen is mafia I think. Risen knows he can post some giant list of his reads right before lynch to look townie and it isn't a waste of time because onegu won't come back to vote. 18 Pandain 11-27-2013 07:08 PM ET (US) What do you think of the fact oats and Coag went super hard on each other 17 Mig 11-27-2013 07:05 PM ET (US) I still want to murder Risen. But onegu/oats/coag are shady 16 Mig 11-27-2013 07:04 PM ET (US) Can we lynch onegu. Look at his posts in his other game. They are so much better. 15 Pandain 11-27-2013 07:01 PM ET (US) I think grack is town masoning with him made me pretty sure he's genuine in trying to find people. I think it's more likely Austin is scum tbh then grack as far as conspiracy theories go 14 Mig 11-27-2013 06:53 PM ET (US) What are your thoughts on Grack? Confident he is town and there is nothing crazy bus scheme going on? 13 Mig 11-27-2013 06:47 PM ET (US) Well we don't know for sure they have a sb, and if they want to use it I say go for 1-1 trade right now is awesome for town. #2 point about Oats is really good I think. Looking back through BC/Oats history they avoided each other almost entirely. Even tho BC said he trusted SS completely and had the rber thing going for him why did he virtually never mention Oats and not push for his lynch at all? Seems like if Oats were town buddying up with SS getting him mislynched and then blaming SS would be an easy route to go. Oats in the same way almost completely avoids BC, at one point he says one of BC/SS is mafia then votes SS lol. 12 Pandain 11-27-2013 06:44 PM ET (US) LM doesn't play the game but now has to play it longer because be wont vote 11 Pandain 11-27-2013 06:26 PM ET (US) Eh I agree with Vayne it's not that big a deal 10 Pandain 11-27-2013 05:12 PM ET (US) I think it's important to try and lynh the sb if we can since that's an extra kp for them they can use laygame 9 Pandain 11-27-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) So risen probably isn't suicide bomber or he would have already destroyed someone. What do you think about going after someone else since mafia kp will stay same regardless 8 pandain 11-27-2013 04:58 PM ET (US) Thrawn masoned me and I masoned grack I think Slam is pretty solidly town. He was like pretty upfront about lynching rayn because he made the game awful, which seems far more townie then scum. I'm just not getting a scum read in anything he's doing. 7 pandain 11-27-2013 04:57 PM ET (US) Yeah a number of reasons 1. SS's point about immediately pointing to VE being assassin is indicative to me. 2. Grack's point in our mason thread, don't think he's shared it yet: Quote: (BC was masoned with SS the day before and knew that Oats was going to be pushed for being RB. I would think he would try to push that case forward more seeing as he was pushing me purely for being useless. ) 3. Extremely weak on THrawn. Called him scum earlier (dunno, kinda scummy), then later was saying no lynch Risen instead and was finding reasons for thrawn to be town. Didn't put his neck out too much though 4. Pushed Mocsta and was basically calling him scum or bad, but never pushed for him to get lynched 5. His lynchbait comment of "Mocsta is either jumping on lynchbait because he's town or because he's scum" was really weird to me, seemed useless. 6 Mig 11-27-2013 04:47 PM ET (US) Who did you choose to mason with yesterday? Thrawn masond with you right. What are your thoughts on CC/Slam? 5 Mig 11-27-2013 04:44 PM ET (US) Oh that is actually a good point about Lm giving up if hes the last scum. I was reading through his old games and he did forfeit one of the newbie games as the last scum. I am inclined to believe you/lm/hf are all town just because 5 town mason 2 mafia masons makes more sense than 4 town 3 mafia. That isn't really definitive tho. Hmmm, I honestly have no clue about Oats. I tried to research his games and I saw him get mislynched as town a ton of times. He seems fairly consistently useless. Can you explain more of why you think Oats is mafia? 4 pandain 11-27-2013 03:04 PM ET (US) Also if oats is scum, LM is town because he asked Austin how likely a Oats/Thrawn scum team is. So I think Oats should be lynched tomorrow first 3 pandain 11-27-2013 03:01 PM ET (US) I think Onegu is town. He gave a definitive "very townie" read on mocsta. He was very sketchy with voting ausitn in a useless vote that allowed rayn intead of risen to get lyched and didn't really push for Austin, but I think both coag and oats are more sketchy. I think LM is town, or will probably be town if he's the only scum left. Let me explain for a number of reasons. One, he's not playing a lot when it's important for scum to start being more active. Two, I think his masoning yamato is townie still. Third, if he's the only scum left I don't think he's the kind of guy who will keep playing. So if there's one scum left and they don't give up, that sort of points to a noob like LM not being the last scum. Finally, I think others are mor suspicious like Oats and Coag. 2 Pandain 11-27-2013 02:20 PM ET (US) Hi 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-27-2013 02:05 PM ET (US) Pandain and Mig mason Day 5/Night 5 Onegu + Show Spoiler + 53 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 12-02-2013 08:01 PM ET (US) CLOSED 52 onegu 12-02-2013 07:00 AM ET (US) Have you reread hopeless yet? 51 onegu 12-01-2013 02:40 PM ET (US) You mean oats? Because I felt better about a CC lynch after what austin said. Like basicly its odd oats hasnt really pushed a lynch, and he didnt vote BC, but CC looks much worse with his read switches and the risen thing. 50 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:00 PM ET (US) Why did you Unvote cc 49 onegu 12-01-2013 01:12 PM ET (US) yeah I dont like hopeless much, and like to be honest I dont put that much stock on what dead scum have said, like if you are null that can tip the scale, but it shouldnt make someone town or scum on its own. 48 Pandain 12-01-2013 01:08 PM ET (US) Yeah hopeless suspicious because of his "oh can't convince anyone pandain is scum so I won't do shit" 47 onegu 12-01-2013 11:12 AM ET (US) /m43 the bus part is in reference to /m6 What are your thoughts on that? 46 onegu 12-01-2013 10:38 AM ET (US) I thought he actually voted BC, yeah Im good with a oats vote. 45 onegu 12-01-2013 10:29 AM ET (US) Wait did oats not vote BC? 44 onegu 12-01-2013 10:26 AM ET (US) Actually LMs post on oats looks good I could go with that. 43 onegu 12-01-2013 08:20 AM ET (US) Is this a bus then? Yeah I feel you and austin are for sure town Coag, grack, LM and VA are likely town Slam is a coin flip that leaves oats and hopeless in the likely scum HF and MRCC as scum Im ok to vote for anyone in the bottom 4 but prefer MRCC as a HF lynch wont happen at this stage. 42 onegu 12-01-2013 05:40 AM ET (US) Also I really dont like how Mr. Cc came back into the thread, like I said I was going to make a case on him then austin steals my thunder while I am trying to write things from my tablet. But no CC says my case is opportunistic.... 41 onegu 12-01-2013 05:34 AM ET (US) Grack is town, i thoight he might be scum earlier with his trolling, but he has kept it up the entire game, was early on BC, and voted thrawn also. Not much to say on LM, I still hold to the statement a scum team isnt going to let him mason a town yamato day 1, it just isnt going to happen. And LM would ask before doing amything, I have been scum with him twice and he always asks. I still have no idea why HF thinks otherwise if he is town after playimg scum with him in hogwarts. 40 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:35 AM ET (US) Oats/Cheesecake are my top reads definitely. 39 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:26 AM ET (US) I completely understand haha that's more important 38 onegu 12-01-2013 02:47 AM ET (US) I believe you are town, a scum mason wouldnt mason me its not worth it as I was a very likely person to die today and my voice carries little weight. Also I have a handicapped son that is very handicappped and when he has any kind of issue I have to give him 100% of my attention so I am still readimg as there was a problem with my sons trach when he rolled over. He is sleeping now so I shouldnt have more interuptions. 37 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:17 AM ET (US) This better be the best filter analysis I've ever heard in my life 36 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:51 AM ET (US) I'll give reasons why I should be town to you, because I think you're going to need to trust me. Only three votes are out right now. You're an easy lynch, and no one else is going to get lynched except you, Cheesecake, or Oats. I don't think CC is conclusive enough. Here's why I'm town: 1. All my mason choices have been clear town. First three were Supersoft, BC, and then Mig. That shows lack of fear, and my mason logs are pretty legit. Esp B.C., where we disagree a lot and there's actually emotional conflict in there. I masoned Grack which makes sense because Grackapack. I masoned Hopeless and now you to figure out your guys' alignment. All town mason choices unlike Thrawn who with masons like Koshi and Rayne shows that he was scared. 2. Most people who are dead thought I was town. I masoned SS and Mig, and they're confirmed town, and they had strong town reads on me. Prob cuz they liked me in mason chats. 3. I've clearly shown an interst to lynch scum, not just Oats. I'm talking with you and trying to figure out who is scum, actually getting conversation started. 35 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:10 AM ET (US) I think I've filtered everyone so let me know if you have any comments, questions, or anything. 34 onegu 11-30-2013 11:48 PM ET (US) Will do you and VA today as I have no other plans for today. Then I still want to get to HF. 33 onegu 11-30-2013 11:46 PM ET (US) Grack and then LM 32 Pandain 11-30-2013 11:22 PM ET (US) Who are you filtering now 31 Pandain 11-30-2013 11:12 PM ET (US) He wouldn't be afraid I would catch him hahahaha 30 onegu 11-30-2013 11:11 PM ET (US) Maybe he was afraid you would catch him so he just shut up. I can see where you are comeing from with oats, I havent played enough with him to know his meta well. I just know he doesnt do much but is in your face about it. I could vote him, would prefer a CC or HF lynch. Im going to finish my filter reads today. 29 Pandain 11-30-2013 07:32 PM ET (US) Also Hopeless like didn't even give the apperance of wanting to talk to me in our chat. He was like "Lol scum nice try", which doesn't seem like a mafia thing to do 28 Pandain 11-30-2013 07:08 PM ET (US) I'm decidely less sure on a Cheesecake lynch. He might just genuinely think you are scum after all you were somewhat suspicious 27 Pandain 11-30-2013 04:48 PM ET (US) This is not town Oats. He is way too passive in picking lynches and going after people. Seems way more indicative of mafia then town, who have an objective to find scum. 26 Pandain 11-30-2013 02:45 PM ET (US) And it's not that he hasn't made a case, it's that he hasn't even pushed a lynch except Risen against Thrawn. And it's day 6. That's not Oats 25 Pandain 11-30-2013 02:45 PM ET (US) Eh Hopeless also was the target of conversation of BC. I forget if he said it to SS or me, but he said he wanted to lynch him. That's not certain since BC didn't push him, but I think it's something to note. I just think Oats is way better to be honest. Hopeless could just be playing bad, is there any reason why he's SCUMMY 24 onegu 11-30-2013 01:07 PM ET (US) Yeah and as town he never made anything close to a case like that in hogwarts. He did make one case as town in WC2 mafia, but it looks much more thought out and in depth ill link it for you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...currentpage=91#1815 23 onegu 11-30-2013 12:58 PM ET (US) Rayn was first, its almost like he saw who a really vocal townie made a case then added a bit and made his own case, because he doesnt talk about you before that and then tunnels you the rest of the game. 22 onegu 11-30-2013 12:55 PM ET (US) Moment I need to look whose case on you was up first rayn or hopeless. 21 onegu 11-30-2013 12:53 PM ET (US) And jeez does he tunnel you into oblivion. Did you do something to him in mason chat that got deleted? Then a flip onto thrawn, and then a risen vote and never heard from again. I think he has a better chance to flip scum than oats tbh. Like look what he does with LM and coag. He brings them up only to say they should be ignored until lylo? Yes he voted for thrawn and BC, but the timeings seem off, like thats who he had to vote for. He had a town read rayn, so he cant vote him. I guess he could habe voted risen, but that still doesnt save BC. And he was lateish to the party on thrawn also. 20 onegu 11-30-2013 12:36 PM ET (US) And have you actually read hopeless case on you? Man you are confirmed scum (sarcasm), because you KNOW mig is town and letting scum see his notes. That case seems kinda forced, he never did anything like that in hogwarts iirc I need to check. 19 onegu 11-30-2013 12:32 PM ET (US) The wishy washy I will give you his reads go all over the place. you mean the twrawn lynch he was all risen is scum, then all of a sudden risen martyring is townie but vote risen. 18 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:07 PM ET (US) He never led his own lynch. He was very wispy washy on all scum and tried to stop a risen lynch 17 onegu 11-30-2013 07:54 AM ET (US) Im fairly null on oats, other than being wromg alot, calling out people for not finding scum day one then not finding scum. Then says SS is scummier than BC changes to BC late with little reason then is like am I still scum, I was right about BC. Then wrong about mig, wrong about risen, wrong about multiple people, Right about VE lol. And not really doing anything. Like I could lynch him but I feel much better Mr. Cc is scum. 16 onegu 11-30-2013 03:19 AM ET (US) Ok I am going to my wifes dermatologist first then the mall, the doctors office doesnt have wifi but the mall does. I have Oats filter open and all on one page so I can read while I am there, also have grack, and hopeless open also. Other than you I have town reads on everyone else, except HF and I will work on those later. Null on you, but doubt you would mason me as scum. 15 onegu 11-30-2013 12:58 AM ET (US) Ok Im going to shower I will be back in a few and start my read of oats. 14 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:58 AM ET (US) Let me know when you read Oats. And I 100% agree. I haven't told him that thought because I want to see how he reacts. If he is faking it, then we have to keep him on the suspicious line so he feels pressured. Otherwise, if he's scum and played the insane card he'll keep doing it 13 onegu 11-30-2013 12:56 AM ET (US) /m11 But I also dont think scum slam would martyr like he is. This is why I have a very hard time reading slam. 12 onegu 11-30-2013 12:51 AM ET (US) Ok, I will push him to the back burner for now. 11 onegu 11-30-2013 12:47 AM ET (US) I am finishing catching up now and slam looks really bad for his reason to not want to lynch oats. But also yes slam is normally that confused. 10 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) helped gurantee it* 9 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Honestly Holy pushed both BC and Thrawn, and while you can say he did it because they were about to die, or momentum was shifting that way, he helped shield it. I think if we slowly lynch more scum his alignment will become more clear. And if we hit lylo, then he can be up. But don't go after him first. 8 onegu 11-30-2013 12:42 AM ET (US) I will read oats today while I am out. Also when I wrote the CC thing it was 330am for me and I knew I was going out today, sorry for peaceing out. 7 onegu 11-30-2013 12:40 AM ET (US) I agree. Also you need to look more at hogwarts mafia, not b2b for holy meta. Holy knew he had to switch his playstyle up in b2b, and did so commenting on you havent seen me play like this as town or scum. 6 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:38 AM ET (US) Actually, cheesecake is even more sketchy then I thought. Like not really putting analysis out there yet throwing reads on people, doubt he could support them to be honest. At one point he was like "oh god this guy is scummy, this guy too". Then later "shenanigans to other people?" Just weird play, but I think Oats/CC, if they are scum, are on the same team tbh. Not definitive but it makes sense to me. And I think Oats is more likely to flip scum. 5 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:34 AM ET (US) Cheesecake came out of nowhere to make a giant post on a part that most people weren't thinking about: Risen being town. It was also a weird thing to make a post about; he didn't do any actual analysis, just a reflection and a game plan. I think he could be scum. 4 onegu 11-30-2013 12:18 AM ET (US) good morning. 1. some real life stuff happened and I missed over 24 hours of the game. 2. I planning on makeing a updated case on him. I cannot shake the feeling of him being scum 3. Yes for the portion leading up to it I was afk in both games I was playing that is when I had irl stuff come up. 4. HF, Mr. Cheesecake. Not coag. Will do my filterdive of oats today and see what I think of him. 5. I have a really hard time reading slam. He came into the game with a new attitude than previous games and I felt he was town for it, but now he has basicly dropped it, started posting in codes and not makeing sense. This doesnt sit well with me but he wouldnt be my lynch choice for today. I am going to the mall today but believe it or not that is when I get the most work done in game while my wife shops. What are your thoughts on cheesecake? As I read these filters Ill let you know what I am feeling and see if we are on close to the same page. 3 Pandain 11-29-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) What do you think about slam? 2 Pandain 11-29-2013 08:15 PM ET (US) Hey you have a lot of questions to answer 1. Why have you been so lackluster this game 2. What do you think about HF now 3. Were you just totally gone during the Thrawn lynch 4. Who do you want to lynch today. 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-29-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) Pandain + Onegu mason Day 6/Night 6 Lonemeow + Show Spoiler + 18 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-02-2013 12:45 AM ET (US) I was afk/asleep for most of D5/N5, then figured I didn't want to mason someone for the last 12 hours or so because I'd just be limiting my options for the following cycles. 17 Pandain 12-01-2013 09:48 PM ET (US) sorry wrong name filled in, that was a joke one from my thrawn mason chat. "why didn't you mason anyone day 5" 16 thrawn(actually pandain) 12-01-2013 09:48 PM ET (US) why didn't you mason anyone day 5 15 Pandain 12-01-2013 06:49 PM ET (US) You here? 14 Pandain 12-01-2013 03:55 PM ET (US) Logs* 13 Pandain 12-01-2013 03:55 PM ET (US) Actually with you in mason love you look pretty good too so don't think I would lynch you 12 Pandain 12-01-2013 03:29 PM ET (US) I'll be talking a lot more at night or in like 3-4 hours I can only post on my phone. I did have a Strong town read on slam but if it comes down to only one scum left then everyone is up for grabs except for me, and Austin 11 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-01-2013 03:13 PM ET (US) Would Alakaslam seem like a reasonable third scum? His voting history is absolutely terrible, and despite having reasonably sized filter he hasn't actually *said* almost anything nor taken stances on anyone. 10 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:48 PM ET (US) Yeah that's why I'm not defending CC too hard. 9 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-01-2013 02:00 PM ET (US) Is it possible that CC and Oats are both scum? 8 Pandain 12-01-2013 01:46 PM ET (US) He's just wrong but not scummy the reasons are ok by flawed 7 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-01-2013 01:42 PM ET (US) What's your view on austinmcc calling Oatsmaster town? 6 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:56 PM ET (US) I think cheesecake is a good bet. And then it's possible onegu is scum that they are bussing, or hf or even maaaybe Vayne And yeah grack is town in my eyes 5 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-01-2013 10:28 AM ET (US) Also I'd love to hear what you think of Grackaroni and the fact that the flipped scummers seemed to be pushing him for pretty much the entire game. 4 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-01-2013 07:29 AM ET (US) You're currently voting Oatsmaster. I agree that he's scummy as hell, but I'm having trouble with figuring out who could be his buddies. Assuming we lynch him and he flips red, who would you lynch next? 3 LoneMeowPerson was signed in when posted 12-01-2013 06:16 AM ET (US) Posted the logs, sorry about the delay, decided to take yet another nap before I finished that. 2 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:28 AM ET (US) What's up dude? 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On November 30 2013 12:46 Pandain wrote: Here's my log with BC btw + Show Spoiler + Pandain 11-20-2013 07:27 PM ET (US) Bye love you 32 Pandain 11-19-2013 05:34 PM ET (US) I didn't know this. I specifically asked if I was town to you and you ignored it. When you avoided the issue I found it suspicious. But I think you're town anyway so I'm going to continue analyzing other people 31 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:32 PM ET (US) You'll find that when I am told by someone I trust that hes telling someone they should mason me that theres reason for it. I took that reason as trust and given that I had my own town read on you why wouldnt I share? Seriously, I shouldn't have to explain town reads. 30 Pandain 11-19-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) SS was actually suspicious of me up until we left being mason partners, there's no way I would know that he now thinks I'm town. I wasn't worried about you claiming in thread, just you claiming to me when I didn't know you had reasons for thinking I was town since you never explained them. 29 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-19-2013 05:25 PM ET (US) I told you for this. I know you were masoned to him day 1, so was I. I figured you'd like to know that hey, I have a huge town read on SS, he has town read on you. Ill be upfront with you and trust a guy I think is town. Why did I not want to claim actively in thread? BECAUSE RAYN WAS FUCKING FISHING. His entire theory was centered on bh being a mason who masoned a specific player. My issue with actively claiming is fucking outing two blues for no fucking reason. The fact I think your town means hey, maybe I should share info with you in the offchance i you know, die? 28 Pandain 11-19-2013 04:08 PM ET (US) Also I think after seeing Rayn the best way to play as mafia is to spam so fucking much no one wants to analyze you 27 Pandain 11-18-2013 11:42 PM ET (US) I mean you did and you told me who you want to mason 26 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) I didn't actively claim mason to you tbh. Its a subtle claim I used on ve because VE is one of now 3 people who know I masoned him yesterday.(provided SS didn't tell you yesterday) I have told ss I think mig is unlikely to be mafia for those reasons yes. I also don't remember a game where scum kept those kind of notes. However in the days I played super actively there were very few people who kept notes in general on a google doc that anyone could access. 25 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:12 PM ET (US) With ss* 24 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:11 PM ET (US) This is also besides but did you share the mig notes with mig. I'm also wondering if you've ever played a game where scum kept notes like that, mig is a busy man he doesn't have time to pull shenanigans like that 23 Pandain 11-18-2013 10:10 PM ET (US) Like you revealing your a mason is so weird to me considering I was probably pretty suspicious day one trying to save Mocsta. I don't know why you would post it here for me to see 22 Pandain 11-18-2013 09:56 PM ET (US) Did you think I was town before this because I'm interested why you would claim mason to me when you berated Rayn for trying to find out masons 21 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 09:51 PM ET (US) I think hes like me and just gets way to heated way to fast and gets lost in things -_- I need to step back and look at this shit with a fresh perspective so Ima lay off grack for now and attempt to look elsewhere. Hopeless still looks like trash though. 20 Pandain 11-18-2013 08:33 PM ET (US) It's prob a combination of him being right plus him being a dick 19 Pandain 11-18-2013 04:20 PM ET (US) also rayn pisses me off every time he posts I'm going to just ignore him now 18 Pandain 11-18-2013 03:38 PM ET (US) Do you think I'm town 17 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-18-2013 12:23 PM ET (US) I don't know what to make of this entire bit going on right now with rayn and oats. Both are doing things that make me think "town all the way" but both are also doing things that just seems so fucking scummy 16 Pandain 11-18-2013 12:04 AM ET (US) oh sorry meant not going to do a real analysis until tomorrow 15 Pandain 11-18-2013 12:00 AM ET (US) I haven't yet analyzed Oats, not going to do a real analysis(don't think I've been playing like I should, I only do quick glimpses and have too much confirmation bias.) But I'm noting now that his response to being accused strikes me as very town. Quickly dismisses SS almost comicly and then moves onto other things. Not a long response to the post, but instead a townie response like a "Lol" 14 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 11:24 PM ET (US) scratch the bit on his analysis promising totally misread one of his posts -_- I still think he looks bad but he didn't promise anything. 13 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 11:22 PM ET (US) given how little time hes had in the game hes doing really well establishing himself. I really really really don't like hopeless1nder He comes back after 2 full days of absence and promised to read up and post an analysis on holyflare and not only is he not really contributing anything on return, or before he left, but he had 2 days to fucking write something on a player and he hasn't released it. More than enough time to read up and post thoughts by now. 12 Pandain 11-17-2013 11:03 PM ET (US) I think Thrawn is town so far he's pushing people for his reads, questioning, and overall seems unafraid 11 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:52 PM ET (US) im currently filter diving mocstas scum games to see how he interacts with his teammates. Hoping to find some gem in there that will sort out his filter a bit. 10 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely 9 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:50 PM ET (US) I think I have a problem though with trying to find "one" piece of evidnece that helps an alignment guess. I need to be more comprehensive, but this is definitely a plus for Mig. Although he's not active as of today, I misread it. I like his notes format though, I'm going to copy it for future games. 8 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:44 PM ET (US) Yeah there's no reason to think MIG is anything but town in my eyes; his inactivity is supplemneted by his obvious activity (even doing meta research and then updating) them in his notes Fact that only I probably knew it was a google drive and thus would be updated and visible to us supplements the idea that he's town. 7 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:42 PM ET (US) so I think it's intersting because he's clearly putting in a ton of effort when it wouldn't be recognized. If he was scum, he wouldn't need to do notes unless he wants to seem town and talk about them; problem is he did talk about them originaly (made me suspicious) but didn't later. Idk i think mig is town, lurking, waiting until he's confident. I played with him before and only thing is he was more active there, but I think he's just biding his time now 6 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) actually that note thing is super intense 5 Pandain 11-17-2013 10:40 PM ET (US) I think mig is town because he's still updating his notes. https://docs.google.com/a/udel.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing#gid=0 You can actually see them here He's lurking though because it's updated up to this cycle, so I don't know what that means 4 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:32 PM ET (US) been waiting for 30 minutes for a host to set it up, but Ill be having supersoft as my mason for the day. 3 YulathPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 10:03 PM ET (US) good day sir pandaman 2 Pandain 11-17-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) hi 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-17-2013 07:59 PM ET (US) Pandain + BloodyC0bbler Day 2/Night 2 Helps point that Hopeless might be town, though not certain. 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Hopeless, my claim has already been discussed. There's nothing scummy about it and literally no way any of us would have gotten lynched. I think you need to look at other people. Look at my masonship with BC, it's pretty obvious it's a town-scum relationship. I'm not that good or that committed to masoning a scum with that kind of fake effort. Coagulation is the kind of guy who if we don't lynch, then after the game we'll slap our foreheads and be like why didn't we lynch him. I say keep it simple and lynch the most useless player here in a game where clearly lurkers are dominating. | ||
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I guess I just don't know where you stand Holy. For instance you aren't now campaigning for a specific person; haven't even voted for anyone. It's like you're just cruising. It's unnerving to me. | ||
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I still find it hard to believe that if Holy was the only one making sense and arguing to lynch lurkers, they shot the utterly useless and still slightly suspicious Vayne(who by the way was suspicious of Holy). I'm skeptical of Holy's pretty sketchy cases, going after Slam now. He was scum with slam in B2B, no? Where's the comparison. I see 6 pages in Slam's game, 19 in here. And a different playstyle. I don't like Holy's case. I don't like how he uses defending coag as a scum tell, and yet never pinpoints coag as a lynch. Unless it was basically impossible for him to get lynched. | ||
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Forgot the "oats is super scummy but I don't want to lynch him guys" Also I have like more pages in my filter then any scum game since I resumed playing. This is not scum Pandain. I am not that interested in the game as scum. | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:49 LoneMeow wrote: So what you're saying is that you believe: a) all remaining scum bussed thrawn2112 and b) the player who tied votes between thrawn2112 and Risen is scum and c) the player who hammered thrawn2112 is scum Seriously? Why half-ass it? I mean look at how far we've gone trying to find the "risen" scum voters. Nope. You can't use buss as an excuse anymore. It's obvious they bussed him. Austin pushed the lynch, got it done. In my view I was surprised that Thrawn got lynched as Risen was literally the scummiest person on earth, but it makes far more sense if mafia helped contribute to a lynch. On December 05 2013 12:53 LoneMeow wrote: Also, on Coagulation: In my mason QT he says Onegu is less scummy than me, but in the game thread: Now why wouldn't he vote for me if I'm more scummy than Onegu? Even more so when there was a real possibility that I might be lynched? You weren't up for the lynch! Onegu was being lynched by far. And hey it makes sense if you're both scum  On December 05 2013 12:56 LoneMeow wrote: Also, for those who want to lynch me for my vote switch between Oatsmaster and Mr. Cheesecake: Can you think of a reason why: a) scum LoneMeow would switch from one wagon to another (he knows both are mislynches) b) town LoneMeow would switch from one wagon to another Which one is more likely? I see reasons for both alignments, the thing I'm far more concerned about is your reasoning On December 02 2013 03:11 LoneMeow wrote: austinmcc is town. He says you're town. Therefore I am wrong. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:49 LoneMeow wrote: ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler On November 26 2013 06:02 LoneMeow wrote: ##Vote: thrawn2112 What you're doing is a weak excuse. So you totally sheeped Austin? Trusted that he had to be right, when you literally just made a case on him before. Didn't ask why your opinion was wrong? | ||
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I'm already suspicious of Holy. Coag I'm pretty sure meant to actually vote Holy. Thought it was day or something. I don't think scum coag immediately votes town Holy. That's based on my knowledge of how Coag likes to play. But I can see town coag doing that, in which case with two people eliminated that means it's a Holy/LM/Hopeless team. Or if he's scum, I can see him voting Holy. | ||
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And grack, it's from all the times I've played with him. I don't see him further making himself suspicious with a vote like that unless he was sure it was scum. It's more a gut feeling, sounds dumb when I write it but I'm pretty confident in it. | ||
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Because I totally did that (as well as be wrong in my analysis, but I used his as a guiding light). | ||
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I need to learn that nonsensical/bringing suspicion to yourself is not really scummy, but making weak arguments can be(as long as you pressure them to see their response). I need to learn not to follow Vets too much. I need to learn how to interpret night kills better. I misread the SS death and failed to recognize that the way people got shot suggested town was wrong. I need to learn not too heavily to rely on associations, really. I did do some stuff right, but I think in the end my mason logs ended up hurting me far more then help me. I misread Hopeless and Grack heavily based on their mason chats with me which gave me town feels(see above. However, I did think Grack played phenomenaly in mason chats if not anywhere else. You must've been giggling when I said if you were scum any game you would play me like a book). I could've recognized Mocsta and Hopeless on their weak arguments and actions based around that. Don't know where Holy went wrong, probably something in hindsight. I only recognized him in the lategame, and happy that I stuck to him when no one else did. Coag/Risen/Slam made things a lot harder because we had to know whether they were being town useless or scum useless. I misread them, or at least I never had good reads on them although I did have a town read on Slam(which he slowly weakened by being continually useless). Finally, even though I was wrong throughout the game(at least in the end), I needed to put in that extra 5 hours to re-analyze everyone, and maybe then I would've recognized Grack/Hopeless; and not say I can just accept defeat after dozens of hours I had put in. I think I definitely learned a lot from this game, sorry if I was wrong a lot and so seemed dumb. Very confident about the next game, however, when usually after a loss I don't feel that confident. Thank you so much Marv and the co-hosts, I heavily enjoyed the game(except when I kept being wrong, but that's just being wrong I was mad at!) | ||
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Good for Coag for resolving the situation one way or another. Yeah Hopeless, honestly if I wasn't so hooked on your attitude in the thread(which I guess now is too fake/adamant to be real), you didn't actually do anything in the game | ||
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