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Winning is on my list of things to do this game, yes. | ||
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On November 15 2013 08:49 Coagulation wrote: kush is really good at scum hunting actually. probably better than 90% of the players here. Hes just non communique *must...not...feeed....troll* ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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This deal with storr - in Hogwarts he asked some really dumb questions that resulted in him getting a townread from me. I don't find him playing the noob card to be that bad based on that experience. Its something he is trying to embrace and make a platform on to stand apart from the vets IMO. How else could he win against the likes of BC, SS, BH, Mig, etc? I need to reread what HF has said about rayn unless someone else has found that rayn is correct and HF made up the part where rayn called risen town/ how that played out. Rayn is clinging to that part quite strongly. | ||
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I read up on HolyFlare. I can see why rayn is pissing himself with rage. I can also see why HF would say "town read". Rayn looks better imo, but I dont see anything malicious about HF. I wonder why Matt ignored his questions about me. Maybe he only takes request from VE. Still dont know who to call scum  | ||
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Hey BH, did you get any results from your track? Did you follow through on it being Austin or was that to throw us for a loop? | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:37 Blazinghand wrote: I am tracking Austin. If I die id put him and grack as top reads. my read on yam is conditional. I left some reasoning with my mason partner since if I reveal what I think about yam meta he will game it. What did BH say about yam that he's referring to here? | ||
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SS' case on Oats looks good. SS reads like he might be drunk, but the conclusion still follows that Oats is suspicious. I'd would have said Koshi looks bad pre-flips but thats changed on reread. | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok I can post for the next 4 hours or so. VE cant play this good as scum. I dont know what SS wants me to post. but thats basically how I play every game. Good job SS, you managed to show that I play consistently with my other games. Also I like how nobody mentioned me until SS and suddenly Im everyones top scumread. Namely Pandain and Hopeless. Hopeless is the most scum. wat On November 18 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote: hopeless is scum 100% Do tell. | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Very likely yes. He engages austin in personality 2 twice in very non confrontational posts then promptly ignores him for a few days. Anyone in the filter he partially interacted with and stress interacted with could potentially be red but it isn't a strong possibility. I think hopeless needs to honestly step up and honestly contribute something of value. His response to me of 2 days worth of reading summarized on 3 people in two sentences is god fucking awful. you'll recall i scummily cited "internet problems" and "the weekend" for inactivity excuses. I'm sorry I havent been furiously typing away making the be-all-end-all case of the century. Oats is full of shit and I wouldnt mind seeing thrawn flip atm. But thats rage and indignation talking, not a real scumread. I'm going back to filters. | ||
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On November 18 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Im sorry what hopeless? Why am I scum? Can you put it in your own words? A few sentences? And say how you are different from me. I dont understand how Im full of shit. Explain that too. Why am I scum? Explain that first please. | ||
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On November 18 2013 13:45 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote ##vote:hopeless1der | ||
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On November 18 2013 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually hopeless, you ask VE for 'credentials' then immediately vote him after he says something like 'he has been mayor before and lynched scum'. What made you vote for VE? I voted VE for the sake of voting someone and possibly drawing attention to get discussion. I wasnt planning to be afk the next day and it didnt really matter, because now is the first I've seen anyone mention it. | ||
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On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._. Track results? I guess no one cares, and since BH still hasnt posted them I have to assume he doesn't have them. ##Vote: Blazinghand @Austin if BH ends up claiming your actions correctly, you're the only one that can stop us from mislynching. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Isnt BC calling Grack town? based on what precisely? The part where he continues to say Grack is scum? Or the part where people want to lynch BC for saying Grack is scum? At any rate, I don't know BC's propensity to tunnel. I certainly don't know mocsta's meta, but assuming its true I come away thinking BC is town. He's also wrong about Grack, but I'd still say he's town. Rayn, I'm not following how gaming the setup reveals scum.This better be good, I had you as town for trying to take control of the thread but now I feel you're pissing it away. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked Oh...okay yeah/ I thought he was saying "I have track results" but wouldnt give them. | ||
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On November 19 2013 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: If VE gives me a certain name there is a pool of 3 people where there is 2 scum guaranteed. Of course this is not certain as i can't know what name he gives me but given what has been going on in this game i am pretty sure he will give just that name. are these names magic? This is a normal game, how can you guarantee scum based on setup? Rayne this is ludicrous and needs to stop. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 05:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Random Musings: The Bus-Ride to Work 1) I envision a town in which I'm the mayor and Yamato is my Pardoner. Why? Because we get all the benefits of VE lynching scum on D1, in all likelihood getting shot N1 and all that jazz, and none of the pitfalls of having scum in the office of either Mayor OR Pardoner. I know what you're thinking: "But VE! Surely you jest! Yamato has made it abundantly clear that he's not afraid of using the Pardoner role - he's clearly the worst candidate for it by far!" I'll go on the record here (again) and explain my stance on the Pardoner role (again). The Pardoner mechanic is just another mechanic that town has at its disposal to get information and that scum has at its disposal to confound town. And while it's generally accepted logic that preventing a lynch, ANY lynch is a bad idea, I hesitate to say that the role is, strictly speaking, anti-town. Like, if you believe that Yamato is town then you have to believe that IF he uses the role, it will be for a reason that he has deemed pro-town. Maybe he's wrong, maybe he's right, maybe he's scum lying to your face - but you get just as much information from that action out of Yamato as you get from the flip of a player. It's not info you can take to the bank and lynch people over, but it's certainly info that you can use to help solve the game. I'm not immediately repulsed by Yamato saying he's not afraid to use the power, and it gives me warm fuzzies about his alignment that he said it at all. I don't think he'll use the power all willy-nilly and I'm totally fine with him having it. 2) I will not be stating my lynch choice outright. I will give an array of candidates and will lynch into this list, but my actual target will remain unknown. I feel like in this way scum will be less inclined to help me along if my lynch choice is bad or oppose me if my lynch choice is good. It takes actionable info away from scum, but still allows town to get a feel for where I stand so they can choose to vote me or not. Right now (before catching up) that list is this: Grackaroni, StorrZerg, Sharrant, and Skanjab1s 3) I'm reading over the thread after this post: I haven't caught up from when I left last night and a lot has happened. If I miss a question directed at me or something just bear with me and ask it again. 4) There was a limited amount of venom and hatred in the thread at the time I left. There was a lot of aggravation and frustration but that's to be expected, but a fairly small amount of actual general poor behavior. I liked that and I hope that it continues through my readthrough of the thread and beyond. [/muse] Actual content to follow. Stay tuned. The NK's make VE look so bad, there is no way hes scum to me. | ||
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Super is town atm. For stupid reasons that will get me laughed at. Everyone is yelling that he's too mean, and all of a sudden his posts are full of smilies and shit. I read his Oats case and was like wtf is he drunk? | ||
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##Vote Pandain I'll gladly switch back/support either for the double lynch tomorrow. However, I'm much more convinced on Pandain than BH atm. I could believe BH is an assassin. I can't believe Pandain is anything but scum. + Show Spoiler + So first, there is the whole "Vote Kush for mayor" that people were getting on Grack's case about. Pandain was right there with him, the Grackapack going strong. Except it wasnt that strong, and Pandain was just trolling around for the hell of it. The trolling isnt really alignment indicative, but following Gracks lead is. Consider how hard Mocsta pushed Grack, and now BH is doing the same. (BC too, but I'm not convinced he's scum) Pandain's early game hesitance to call Grack scum looks fishy: On November 16 2013 03:30 Pandain wrote: To give my feedback on Grack: I do think he's very suspicious, but I would have imagined him to at least be doing some sort of analysis as scum. I mean he's definitely playing anti-town but I don't think it makes him scum. My advice would be to look for someone other then Grack who's more inherently scummy rather then just suspicious. I will be able to ascertain Grack's alignment by day two. This is stupidly early to be planning your day2 mislynch, but considering that scum dont actually get to plan a mislynch Day 1(short of electing scum into the mayor position) I'm not ruling it out. At any rate, this is scummy to be keeping options open like this where he has carte blanche to accuse Grack. He's trying to "confirm" himself town: On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm I dont know what this refers to. Maybe the mason bit? Why would he think that confirms him as town? Especially with the number of masons floating about. There is no way for this to confirm anyone imo and the fact that he's trying to use this as evidence that he's town is scummy. VE pointed it out during the night: On November 17 2013 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post Pandain slips that he knows that scum only have one mason. You're welcome guys. I'll be back before dawn. On November 16 2013 09:01 Pandain wrote: While I like that and think it shows town, I'm going to reread OP and then thread and then decide who to mason I'd like to confirmation-bias this post into "Look at all the activity I'm (planning on) doing. I'm so town!" On November 16 2013 15:03 Pandain wrote: Posting your notes why? Trying to show your townie mess? Now scum can react to your notes mig Scum-slips aren't supposed to be a thing...but Pandain knows mig is town based on this post. First, here's pandains early read on storr On November 15 2013 12:02 Pandain wrote: Mocsta I disagree with you. I think Storr could be scum, but it's not certain yet and your reasons are pretty weak. You say he plays the noob card, but he did it in regards to "why not vote a noob like me mayor " which doesn't help his cause which is what scum would normally do. Not inconceivable he just did it inherently but doesn't mean he's scum for that. Second I think you nitpick too much, he said he was still going to hunt for scum, hunt for scum is the same as hunting even when he said RNG, I think that's a bit too suspicious to say for a mayor canidateship. "I disagree with you Mocsta, but you're right" He calls me and storr scum here (moreso me, but still) + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:11 Pandain wrote: Yes I'm a mason. I don't think it's unlikely for there to be two, or even three masons however. I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts. Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out. useless useless useless he's usually not useless To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him. On November 16 2013 11:13 Pandain wrote: Storr continually plays the newbie card and yet ran for mayor, then backed out quickly and keeps playing newbie card. Doesn't make sense to me unless he's trying to play a certain way. Like his first game with me he was semi-guns blazing. What happened to this game? We end up at this post, trying to direct yamato on who to lynch: On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. This completely clashes with his previous scumread on Storr. The extended duration of storr being scummy results in storr being townie? Maybe I should go back to making excuses for activity and lurking... On November 17 2013 03:03 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is scum, yes. I also now think Mig is scum. I think Vayne is scum too he's playing like in ##. If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them. Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means. So a bunch of stuff in this post. No detailed reads, Wish-wash on me, Storr is back on the table. Mig, who he inadvertently called town earlier, is now scum, and rayne/Vayne come out of nowhere as scumreads. This post screams scum to me. Pandain is all over the place and there is nothing to hold him to if he wants to pursue any other read, he keeps giving himself outs beforehand. On November 17 2013 01:12 Pandain wrote: I think moc is very clearly town. These are the kinds of cases he makes which don't make that much sense. He's putting in effort too into developing his cases Association-scum-tell --> More association scumtell: (open nested quotes) On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: No I think he's town but you should be able to tell I'm town by now Of note, Pandain has apparently come to the conclusion that Grack is town at this point. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 10:20 Pandain wrote: I still think Storrzerg is suspicious, I simply found others who I might be more confident in. Namely Vayne and Rayn and BH. Yes I do think he would. That's the worst thing and why I favor a Rayn lynch first. However even though I think he would do it as town I find it distinctly anti-town as it would motivate trackers to counter-claim. That is what I'm caught up on and he never addressed it. Mocsta in my previous games I think he's always been town. I don't know what his scum play would look like but it's not this. To be frank, bad reads with a lot of effort with weird arguments are making me think he's town. This is what he's done in previous games. Scum try to hide from doing obvious bad arguments and the Mocsta post was unforced and bad. All this is making me think he's town. And yes the effort does help him though I don't think he couldn't do it as scum. That was my first thought. re-reading him his non-analysis cases make me lean towards scum, especially this post but I definitely don't think he would have been a good lynch today or a good lynch tomorrow. I don't think he'll ever buss much because if he does he'll be alone by the end and a sole scum Mocsta should be easy to find anyway. Who knows when mocsta decided to use his vig, but this looks bad. "storr is still suspicious, but I have other scumreads. Scum-mocsta will be easy to find" Fast-forward to NK's, storr flips town to Scum-Vig-Mocsta and Mocsta has also been vigged by some awesome townie BH's tracker/assassin claim. Initially, Pandain is all questions about BH's claim: On November 17 2013 04:19 Pandain wrote: What is this then. You thought it was a joke? On November 17 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote: Is it a real claim BH On November 17 2013 04:47 Pandain wrote: He's literally said it's a real claim Rayn. On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: So you think he's town and not tracker? Is that your position? He never states his own position on BH that I could find. There are some hypotheticals that allow him to say {if BH/then Rayne} but nothing concrete. At the next mention, BH is now scum: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 08:19 Pandain wrote: BH needs to get lynched tomorrow. The fact he's just started to get really active at night doesn't prove anything actually. Scum or town BH would start being active now. Instead it's more important to realize he has been effectively afk during the thread with no real thread presence except defending himself and that is pretty unacceptable. His tracker claim is absoltely awful play as town and okay play as scum. He varies between being active and always posting whenever he's mentioned and then not posting at all besides. Which is pretty suspicious to me. While I'll agree the claim makes sense compared to his previous crumbs, he claimed 6 hours before mayor lynch would even be decided. Which doesn't make sense from a town perspective who wants to win, who wouldn't claim a blue role unless he was then going to do something with it. BH claimed tracker and then didn't do anything with it except with his defense. This contrasts with his Heavyweight claim where he did claim early(did he? Can't remember how early) and then he pushed and used his town prescence to get a scum claim. BH's claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Him defending his claim actually makes it twice as worse. He comes back night one and then has a scum read on Grack. Great. okay I'm running out of steam to finish Pandains filter properly, so some short points from pages 9-12 of Pandains filter: - I'm not convinced BH is scum, he may actually be an assassin. Pandain wish-washes over BH being tracker/assassin/scum and how all his reads are out to lunch if he's wrong about BH being scum. All the while he's confusing things by bringing up previous claims that BH has done without reaching conclusions. - Mig is now a STRONG town-read. Mig's notes should be taken down/privatized but he's now town for something that he was initially town/then scum for. - Finds meta reasons to show that Mocsta would not have bussed Grack, but Grack isnt a strong townread. Seems strange that grack isnt in his list of townies.+ Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 15:11 Pandain wrote: I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag). He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough. Mig and SS are my strongest town reads. | ||
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Well done Pandain; @Rayn How certain are you that BH is scum? I read through your case on Pandain and the parts about BH are similar to my own thoughts - Pandain is all over the fucking place. I'd say its in a way that doesn't look like a bus. I dont think BH is scum, there I said it. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:53 OOHCHILD wrote: i hope bh flips town <3 kush, glad you're around. What do you think Pandain will flip? What do you hope? Who should we lynch tomorrrow? Its a double-lynch in case you didnt know. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:57 Holyflare wrote: Can't we just vig him?? If he doesn't die, he's the assassin and we don't waste lynches. I actually want information from other lynches so we can win the game. That sounds like a terrible plan. Let the assassin(s) check him tonight, shoot him the following night and IGNORE BH in the meantime if you'd rather not lynch him. Actually yeah...lets do that. Can we lynch BH on Day4 and ignore him in the meantime? | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:07 Grackaroni wrote: lol Kush I think we all just gave up on trying to read you. I can pretend I know how to read kush. Kush you're town right? | ||
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Rayn's case: + Show Spoiler + My Case: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 04:21 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote Pandain I'll gladly switch back/support either for the double lynch tomorrow. However, I'm much more convinced on Pandain than BH atm. I could believe BH is an assassin. I can't believe Pandain is anything but scum. + Show Spoiler + So first, there is the whole "Vote Kush for mayor" that people were getting on Grack's case about. Pandain was right there with him, the Grackapack going strong. Except it wasnt that strong, and Pandain was just trolling around for the hell of it. The trolling isnt really alignment indicative, but following Gracks lead is. Consider how hard Mocsta pushed Grack, and now BH is doing the same. (BC too, but I'm not convinced he's scum) Pandain's early game hesitance to call Grack scum looks fishy: On November 16 2013 03:30 Pandain wrote: To give my feedback on Grack: I do think he's very suspicious, but I would have imagined him to at least be doing some sort of analysis as scum. I mean he's definitely playing anti-town but I don't think it makes him scum. My advice would be to look for someone other then Grack who's more inherently scummy rather then just suspicious. I will be able to ascertain Grack's alignment by day two. This is stupidly early to be planning your day2 mislynch, but considering that scum dont actually get to plan a mislynch Day 1(short of electing scum into the mayor position) I'm not ruling it out. At any rate, this is scummy to be keeping options open like this where he has carte blanche to accuse Grack. He's trying to "confirm" himself town: On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm I dont know what this refers to. Maybe the mason bit? Why would he think that confirms him as town? Especially with the number of masons floating about. There is no way for this to confirm anyone imo and the fact that he's trying to use this as evidence that he's town is scummy. VE pointed it out during the night: On November 17 2013 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post Pandain slips that he knows that scum only have one mason. You're welcome guys. I'll be back before dawn. On November 16 2013 09:01 Pandain wrote: While I like that and think it shows town, I'm going to reread OP and then thread and then decide who to mason I'd like to confirmation-bias this post into "Look at all the activity I'm (planning on) doing. I'm so town!" On November 16 2013 15:03 Pandain wrote: Posting your notes why? Trying to show your townie mess? Now scum can react to your notes mig Scum-slips aren't supposed to be a thing...but Pandain knows mig is town based on this post. First, here's pandains early read on storr On November 15 2013 12:02 Pandain wrote: Mocsta I disagree with you. I think Storr could be scum, but it's not certain yet and your reasons are pretty weak. You say he plays the noob card, but he did it in regards to "why not vote a noob like me mayor " which doesn't help his cause which is what scum would normally do. Not inconceivable he just did it inherently but doesn't mean he's scum for that. Second I think you nitpick too much, he said he was still going to hunt for scum, hunt for scum is the same as hunting even when he said RNG, I think that's a bit too suspicious to say for a mayor canidateship. "I disagree with you Mocsta, but you're right" He calls me and storr scum here (moreso me, but still) + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:11 Pandain wrote: Yes I'm a mason. I don't think it's unlikely for there to be two, or even three masons however. I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts. Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out. useless useless useless he's usually not useless To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him. On November 16 2013 11:13 Pandain wrote: Storr continually plays the newbie card and yet ran for mayor, then backed out quickly and keeps playing newbie card. Doesn't make sense to me unless he's trying to play a certain way. Like his first game with me he was semi-guns blazing. What happened to this game? We end up at this post, trying to direct yamato on who to lynch: On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. This completely clashes with his previous scumread on Storr. The extended duration of storr being scummy results in storr being townie? Maybe I should go back to making excuses for activity and lurking... On November 17 2013 03:03 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is scum, yes. I also now think Mig is scum. I think Vayne is scum too he's playing like in ##. If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them. Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means. So a bunch of stuff in this post. No detailed reads, Wish-wash on me, Storr is back on the table. Mig, who he inadvertently called town earlier, is now scum, and rayne/Vayne come out of nowhere as scumreads. This post screams scum to me. Pandain is all over the place and there is nothing to hold him to if he wants to pursue any other read, he keeps giving himself outs beforehand. On November 17 2013 01:12 Pandain wrote: I think moc is very clearly town. These are the kinds of cases he makes which don't make that much sense. He's putting in effort too into developing his cases Association-scum-tell --> More association scumtell: (open nested quotes) On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: No I think he's town but you should be able to tell I'm town by now Of note, Pandain has apparently come to the conclusion that Grack is town at this point. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 10:20 Pandain wrote: I still think Storrzerg is suspicious, I simply found others who I might be more confident in. Namely Vayne and Rayn and BH. Yes I do think he would. That's the worst thing and why I favor a Rayn lynch first. However even though I think he would do it as town I find it distinctly anti-town as it would motivate trackers to counter-claim. That is what I'm caught up on and he never addressed it. Mocsta in my previous games I think he's always been town. I don't know what his scum play would look like but it's not this. To be frank, bad reads with a lot of effort with weird arguments are making me think he's town. This is what he's done in previous games. Scum try to hide from doing obvious bad arguments and the Mocsta post was unforced and bad. All this is making me think he's town. And yes the effort does help him though I don't think he couldn't do it as scum. That was my first thought. re-reading him his non-analysis cases make me lean towards scum, especially this post but I definitely don't think he would have been a good lynch today or a good lynch tomorrow. I don't think he'll ever buss much because if he does he'll be alone by the end and a sole scum Mocsta should be easy to find anyway. Who knows when mocsta decided to use his vig, but this looks bad. "storr is still suspicious, but I have other scumreads. Scum-mocsta will be easy to find" Fast-forward to NK's, storr flips town to Scum-Vig-Mocsta and Mocsta has also been vigged by some awesome townie BH's tracker/assassin claim. Initially, Pandain is all questions about BH's claim: On November 17 2013 04:19 Pandain wrote: What is this then. You thought it was a joke? On November 17 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote: Is it a real claim BH On November 17 2013 04:47 Pandain wrote: He's literally said it's a real claim Rayn. On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: So you think he's town and not tracker? Is that your position? He never states his own position on BH that I could find. There are some hypotheticals that allow him to say {if BH/then Rayne} but nothing concrete. At the next mention, BH is now scum: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 08:19 Pandain wrote: BH needs to get lynched tomorrow. The fact he's just started to get really active at night doesn't prove anything actually. Scum or town BH would start being active now. Instead it's more important to realize he has been effectively afk during the thread with no real thread presence except defending himself and that is pretty unacceptable. His tracker claim is absoltely awful play as town and okay play as scum. He varies between being active and always posting whenever he's mentioned and then not posting at all besides. Which is pretty suspicious to me. While I'll agree the claim makes sense compared to his previous crumbs, he claimed 6 hours before mayor lynch would even be decided. Which doesn't make sense from a town perspective who wants to win, who wouldn't claim a blue role unless he was then going to do something with it. BH claimed tracker and then didn't do anything with it except with his defense. This contrasts with his Heavyweight claim where he did claim early(did he? Can't remember how early) and then he pushed and used his town prescence to get a scum claim. BH's claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Him defending his claim actually makes it twice as worse. He comes back night one and then has a scum read on Grack. Great. okay I'm running out of steam to finish Pandains filter properly, so some short points from pages 9-12 of Pandains filter: - I'm not convinced BH is scum, he may actually be an assassin. Pandain wish-washes over BH being tracker/assassin/scum and how all his reads are out to lunch if he's wrong about BH being scum. All the while he's confusing things by bringing up previous claims that BH has done without reaching conclusions. - Mig is now a STRONG town-read. Mig's notes should be taken down/privatized but he's now town for something that he was initially town/then scum for. - Finds meta reasons to show that Mocsta would not have bussed Grack, but Grack isnt a strong townread. Seems strange that grack isnt in his list of townies.+ Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 15:11 Pandain wrote: I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag). He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough. Mig and SS are my strongest town reads. 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On November 20 2013 07:12 Pandain wrote: Like if I was mafia and you were town, I would actually medic you just so you continue saying dumb stuff and saying it ad nauseam. inb4 rayn gets shot | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:13 Pandain wrote: IT WAS A REAL CLAIM. It was made with the intention that it was to be taken seriously. But it was false in its accuracy. No one is saying that he's going to flip tracker Pandain...if BH flips anything BUT Tracker, how was it a "real claim"? You called me scum for believing it and "not reading the thread" On November 19 2013 14:43 Pandain wrote: Does this literally mean you aren't reading the thread at all because it was 100% obvious by then if you were reading the thread that he fakeclaimed So is BH's claim real or not? I dont understand.... | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:20 Pandain wrote: Rayn. BH told Thrawn it was a legitimate breadcrumb. He also told Thrawn he was an Assassin. This is BH, the guy who forgot he had a confirmed-town mason partner and tried to get him lynched. You can't believe a word he says. | ||
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Rayn's case: + Show Spoiler + My Case: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 04:21 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote Pandain I'll gladly switch back/support either for the double lynch tomorrow. However, I'm much more convinced on Pandain than BH atm. I could believe BH is an assassin. I can't believe Pandain is anything but scum. + Show Spoiler + So first, there is the whole "Vote Kush for mayor" that people were getting on Grack's case about. Pandain was right there with him, the Grackapack going strong. Except it wasnt that strong, and Pandain was just trolling around for the hell of it. The trolling isnt really alignment indicative, but following Gracks lead is. Consider how hard Mocsta pushed Grack, and now BH is doing the same. (BC too, but I'm not convinced he's scum) Pandain's early game hesitance to call Grack scum looks fishy: On November 16 2013 03:30 Pandain wrote: To give my feedback on Grack: I do think he's very suspicious, but I would have imagined him to at least be doing some sort of analysis as scum. I mean he's definitely playing anti-town but I don't think it makes him scum. My advice would be to look for someone other then Grack who's more inherently scummy rather then just suspicious. I will be able to ascertain Grack's alignment by day two. This is stupidly early to be planning your day2 mislynch, but considering that scum dont actually get to plan a mislynch Day 1(short of electing scum into the mayor position) I'm not ruling it out. At any rate, this is scummy to be keeping options open like this where he has carte blanche to accuse Grack. He's trying to "confirm" himself town: On November 16 2013 03:11 Pandain wrote: I'm wondering if I should run for mayor if I can confirm myself as town mmmm I dont know what this refers to. Maybe the mason bit? Why would he think that confirms him as town? Especially with the number of masons floating about. There is no way for this to confirm anyone imo and the fact that he's trying to use this as evidence that he's town is scummy. VE pointed it out during the night: On November 17 2013 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post Pandain slips that he knows that scum only have one mason. You're welcome guys. I'll be back before dawn. On November 16 2013 09:01 Pandain wrote: While I like that and think it shows town, I'm going to reread OP and then thread and then decide who to mason I'd like to confirmation-bias this post into "Look at all the activity I'm (planning on) doing. I'm so town!" On November 16 2013 15:03 Pandain wrote: Posting your notes why? Trying to show your townie mess? Now scum can react to your notes mig Scum-slips aren't supposed to be a thing...but Pandain knows mig is town based on this post. First, here's pandains early read on storr On November 15 2013 12:02 Pandain wrote: Mocsta I disagree with you. I think Storr could be scum, but it's not certain yet and your reasons are pretty weak. You say he plays the noob card, but he did it in regards to "why not vote a noob like me mayor " which doesn't help his cause which is what scum would normally do. Not inconceivable he just did it inherently but doesn't mean he's scum for that. Second I think you nitpick too much, he said he was still going to hunt for scum, hunt for scum is the same as hunting even when he said RNG, I think that's a bit too suspicious to say for a mayor canidateship. "I disagree with you Mocsta, but you're right" He calls me and storr scum here (moreso me, but still) + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:11 Pandain wrote: Yes I'm a mason. I don't think it's unlikely for there to be two, or even three masons however. I think Hopeless is scum and Storr is scum for continually playing the newbie card so much it hurts. Bolded useless and scummy because it's a statement that a townie probably doesn't need to make becasue he simply wouldn't have an opinion, why a scum would post that because he's afraid of getting called out. useless useless useless he's usually not useless To top it off he made an excuse for not being active later on. While that's not proof in itself it doesn't help him. On November 16 2013 11:13 Pandain wrote: Storr continually plays the newbie card and yet ran for mayor, then backed out quickly and keeps playing newbie card. Doesn't make sense to me unless he's trying to play a certain way. Like his first game with me he was semi-guns blazing. What happened to this game? We end up at this post, trying to direct yamato on who to lynch: On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. This completely clashes with his previous scumread on Storr. The extended duration of storr being scummy results in storr being townie? Maybe I should go back to making excuses for activity and lurking... On November 17 2013 03:03 Pandain wrote: I think Rayn is scum, yes. I also now think Mig is scum. I think Vayne is scum too he's playing like in ##. If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them. Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means. So a bunch of stuff in this post. No detailed reads, Wish-wash on me, Storr is back on the table. Mig, who he inadvertently called town earlier, is now scum, and rayne/Vayne come out of nowhere as scumreads. This post screams scum to me. Pandain is all over the place and there is nothing to hold him to if he wants to pursue any other read, he keeps giving himself outs beforehand. On November 17 2013 01:12 Pandain wrote: I think moc is very clearly town. These are the kinds of cases he makes which don't make that much sense. He's putting in effort too into developing his cases Association-scum-tell --> More association scumtell: (open nested quotes) On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: No I think he's town but you should be able to tell I'm town by now Of note, Pandain has apparently come to the conclusion that Grack is town at this point. + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 10:20 Pandain wrote: I still think Storrzerg is suspicious, I simply found others who I might be more confident in. Namely Vayne and Rayn and BH. Yes I do think he would. That's the worst thing and why I favor a Rayn lynch first. However even though I think he would do it as town I find it distinctly anti-town as it would motivate trackers to counter-claim. That is what I'm caught up on and he never addressed it. Mocsta in my previous games I think he's always been town. I don't know what his scum play would look like but it's not this. To be frank, bad reads with a lot of effort with weird arguments are making me think he's town. This is what he's done in previous games. Scum try to hide from doing obvious bad arguments and the Mocsta post was unforced and bad. All this is making me think he's town. And yes the effort does help him though I don't think he couldn't do it as scum. That was my first thought. re-reading him his non-analysis cases make me lean towards scum, especially this post but I definitely don't think he would have been a good lynch today or a good lynch tomorrow. I don't think he'll ever buss much because if he does he'll be alone by the end and a sole scum Mocsta should be easy to find anyway. Who knows when mocsta decided to use his vig, but this looks bad. "storr is still suspicious, but I have other scumreads. Scum-mocsta will be easy to find" Fast-forward to NK's, storr flips town to Scum-Vig-Mocsta and Mocsta has also been vigged by some awesome townie BH's tracker/assassin claim. Initially, Pandain is all questions about BH's claim: On November 17 2013 04:19 Pandain wrote: What is this then. You thought it was a joke? On November 17 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote: Is it a real claim BH On November 17 2013 04:47 Pandain wrote: He's literally said it's a real claim Rayn. On November 17 2013 04:49 Pandain wrote: So you think he's town and not tracker? Is that your position? He never states his own position on BH that I could find. There are some hypotheticals that allow him to say {if BH/then Rayne} but nothing concrete. At the next mention, BH is now scum: + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 08:19 Pandain wrote: BH needs to get lynched tomorrow. The fact he's just started to get really active at night doesn't prove anything actually. Scum or town BH would start being active now. Instead it's more important to realize he has been effectively afk during the thread with no real thread presence except defending himself and that is pretty unacceptable. His tracker claim is absoltely awful play as town and okay play as scum. He varies between being active and always posting whenever he's mentioned and then not posting at all besides. Which is pretty suspicious to me. While I'll agree the claim makes sense compared to his previous crumbs, he claimed 6 hours before mayor lynch would even be decided. Which doesn't make sense from a town perspective who wants to win, who wouldn't claim a blue role unless he was then going to do something with it. BH claimed tracker and then didn't do anything with it except with his defense. This contrasts with his Heavyweight claim where he did claim early(did he? Can't remember how early) and then he pushed and used his town prescence to get a scum claim. BH's claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Him defending his claim actually makes it twice as worse. He comes back night one and then has a scum read on Grack. Great. okay I'm running out of steam to finish Pandains filter properly, so some short points from pages 9-12 of Pandains filter: - I'm not convinced BH is scum, he may actually be an assassin. Pandain wish-washes over BH being tracker/assassin/scum and how all his reads are out to lunch if he's wrong about BH being scum. All the while he's confusing things by bringing up previous claims that BH has done without reaching conclusions. - Mig is now a STRONG town-read. Mig's notes should be taken down/privatized but he's now town for something that he was initially town/then scum for. - Finds meta reasons to show that Mocsta would not have bussed Grack, but Grack isnt a strong townread. Seems strange that grack isnt in his list of townies.+ Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 15:11 Pandain wrote: I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag). He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough. Mig and SS are my strongest town reads. | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Im sorry what SS? Lynching people that arent town is bad? Correct you arrogant fuck. Scum just got a free night of nk's. grats | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Finding fakeclaims is part of mafia. Haven't you ever played "I'm the cop, you idiot!"? That's insufficient to lynch someone. Like Risen 'policying' grack. Shut the fuck up and find mafia. "wah ss/bc/mig have to be mafia because marv is a big meanie-face" Cool story bro. How bout some motive to back that up with? There are still 5 mafia alive, and still I have yet to see anyone comment on my case on Pandain, aside from Oats being a dick. I explicitly asked SS two or three times and have got nothing. This game is a fucking farce. BC has spent his last couple days being angry at town and explaining how there is no way mig is town vet because "balance" and "logic". Stop gaming the setup. His arguments for mig shooting a lurker over shooting BC are trash imo. That's what vig shots are for, to clear out the unknowns that you are unwilling to lynch. BC is absolutely a viable lynch and I want him dead. Whether that is through Vayne or not remains to be seen, but one way or another I want BC's flip today. | ||
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Evidence 1: Pregame banter, inadmissible evidence Evidence 2: Oats is slightly scummy for this. However you give him an out saying "provide notes or scum". Oats proceeds to not give a shit. No wait, go to point 4 Evidence 3: "this seems fake" nah it seems pretty legit tho. Evidence 4: mm...no, Oats is right that he consistently puts up pointless 1liners. You're wrong SS. Evidence 5: Pot, meet kettle. If this is sufficient cause to lynch someone you're first in line. | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [*]1)How is it that it is fine for mig to use balance as a reason to justify why I must be red when its wrong for me to use balance to justify there must be 1 scum within 4 kp claimants? [*]2)Then to take that scum and point out that two days in a row he opted to not shoot his top scum read, and instead shoot into a lurker pile giving 0 information off the kills? [*]3)You're right, all im doing is gaming the setup. I didnt point out that mig opted to not shoot his top scum read day 1. hell I didn't even point out his only case post on me was balance speculation that I had to be red. Hell, I didn't even point out that the guy said he thought he was gonna die, and that the guy who claimed he was going to shoot me was likely going to be roleblocked (he said 99% sure of this) and instead of shooting his top scum read again he shoots a rando lurker. You're right, thats gaming the system. Its standard policy for town to look at the thread go "man im 100% sure that guy is red so ima shoot someone else for lulsies" 1) You're both wrong. You look worse based on how you go about doing things 2) That is, in my opinion, how vig shots SHOULD be allocated. Good for you Mig. 3) I never said that trying to game the setup was ALL you did. I specifically address your argument that Mig should have been shooting you and not Mattchew(or some other lurker). Get lynched scum. | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So you are advocating that if someone is 100% sure on someone being red and wants them to die, that not ftfy. And yes. | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:48 Pandain wrote: Vote: Raynepelikeoneet Good case, 5/5 | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:25 Coagulation wrote: what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ? i'll have to reconsider, he masoned me after I called out his rayn vote. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:10 Pandain wrote: Going to be afk until tomorrow btw that's why I'm gone schoolwork is massive and it does come first blahblah Well thats a cool story. I'll be waiting....until then, maybe someone else can explain why Pandain wanted to mason me? Or maybe you can just lynch him? Or both, whatever, your call. Someone take a look at this: On November 22 2013 06:48 Pandain wrote: Vote: Raynepelikeoneet Okay now check out the time on Message #1 in the mason chat: + Show Spoiler + 6 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:43 PM ET (US) jk 5 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back. 4 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) yes 3 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) lol 2 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:24 PM ET (US) oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it? 1 marvellosity 11-21-2013 05:02 PM ET (US) Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3 When you're done think about why Pandain does that as either town or mafia->+ Show Spoiler + I cant think of a town motive to start a mason chat and have nothing to say at the start of it, and I know there doesn't seem to be a scum motive either, but in the absence of ANY motivation I default to scum playing WIFOM games to mess with people. Thoughts? | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:50 Grackaroni wrote: lol I'm more curious about why your first instinct is to help Pandain with his case on Rayn while thinking Rayn is town and Pandain is scum. /sarcasm...1/5, would not troll again. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:55 Holyflare wrote: If pandain was scum, what would be the point of masoning somebody to say nothing? Don't you think that's obvious incrimination? Flip the question to what if pandain was town, etc? I can't answer either side of that coin. I default to scum. What's your take? | ||
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A) Nice delurk B) Message 25 under SS/Pandain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20266761 | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:58 austinmcc wrote: Hey hopeless, couple questions and sorry if some have really obvious answers but I've been focused elsewhere so far today: Have you played a decent number of games with Vayne? If so...how you feelz about him here? If BC is mafia, how you feelz about supersoft? I think I've only played Hogwarts with Vayne where he ended up getting himself modkilled. No idea what his meta or playstyle is like really. However, his Alice in Wonderland tangents make me feel good about his hatter claim If BC is mafia, then [hypocrisy] by vet balance [/hypocrisy] SS looks better. In general I have huge problems with SS' play being dogshit. He has cited being tired as a reason for not making sense, but things like not understanding what Pandain means when he says "vet" or how Oats must be scum because of his (unconfirmed) roleblock clash with my expectations of super-"Vote me/mig/bc for mayor"-soft But if (when) BC flips scum I'd give SS a day or two to get shot or solve the game. | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:11 austinmcc wrote: You believe that 2 mafia both masoned ss D1? If so, and actually we all should do this, we need to check the QTs. If they are both pushing similar/identical objectives at ss, I could maybe buy it. Otherwise I find it unlikely. Oh hell now I have to read those mason logs again . I never noticed that connection before. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:00 Hopeless1der wrote: someone explain to me how i'm still the only person on pandain. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:18 Pandain wrote: Also hopeless I thoroughly debunked your case in our mason chat TAKE NOTES. THIS IS HOW YOU CLAIM SCUM. 5/5 WOULD LYNCH AGAIN. | ||
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Pandain said that he never claimed "vet" or any other role, and that message 25 (and I'd like to add 48) in the mason chats between SS/Pandain were 'forged' to protect Pandains "true identity". This logic suggests that SS thinks Pandain is town because he would go through the trouble of changing the chat to keep his role a secret. Disclaimer: This scenario assumes that Pandain is town. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless what was the Day Pandain was masoned with SS? Day 1, SS was masoned to Pandain and BC at the same time. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i n thread ss calls Pandain "confirmed scum" but he feels the need to "protect Pandain's true identity" when he posts mason logs. Scumtell became a towntell. Both of those guys are scum. I say Pandain is lying. SS doesnt look good for other stuff, but I'm not ready to say he faked the mason logs. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: But why is supersoft not here calling out Pandain for lying? I...um...yes. ##Unvote: BC ##Vote: supersoft | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:18 Grackaroni wrote: What in the fuck happened to this thread. everyone wants to be like you it seems. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:23 supersoft wrote: This wasnt a claim in my eyes!!! and i never said that he's tracker no, you never said he's a tracker. That was a hypothethical from Pandain. No one is saying you called him a tracker. However, that sentence - "Since your town I'm also a veteran" - makes no sense if you think veteran in this case means "I too have played many games of mafia with the players on this forum and in this game. I am a well respected player capable of great things and you should include me in your discussions." Super, this is just sad. I almost dont want to lynch you because you're the fucking epitome of "too dumb to be scum". But then I remember how much of an arrogant dick you are about how everyone else is shit, meanwhile your literacy capabilities are failing. Please die. Please. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:08 austinmcc wrote: Vayne, I would like to see why I am da scumz. I cant even work through the logic. You + BC are scum -> 1st Lynch BC - Undisputed 2nd Lynch Risen Pandain Rayne and then austin votes Risen Rayne Pandain and then BC votes Rayne Pandain Risen Like I don't even know what my point is here. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:13 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't discuss with scum austin, im not going to convince you that you are scum and there is no point in pursuing me as I am confirmed town. Pointless discussion. okay then discuss with me. Why is austin scum? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:17 VayneAuthority wrote: he confirmed the rayn lynch with the help of BC, what else is there to say? pretend rayn had 5 bajillion votes and austin's switch did nothing. Why ELSE is he scum? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:21 Grackaroni wrote: Fuck Yeah. They all tried to kill the Grackaroni! Pandain likely town cuz of BC vote switch though T_T there was somewhere between 1 to 2 minutes between their votes. Do you think BC noticed that rayn would end up dying? Like as a final 'fuck you' to town, things are pretty fucked right now. I dont think this clears pandain at all, independent of him being like my top scumread. | ||
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On November 23 2013 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote: or you can stop being a paranoid piece of shit and lynching people like rayn so that we lose, how about that? Hey Vayne: On November 04 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. That is to say, explain why austin is scum instead of passing the blame onto everyone else. | ||
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On November 23 2013 13:21 VayneAuthority wrote: nah fuck that. anyone that thinks im scum at this point in the game needs a reality check. I've tried being nice this game but that clearly doesn't work. rayn just got lynched, rofl. Are you sure you know how to read? I didn't call you scum. I quoted the rules where it said don't be a jerk. You have NOT explained why austin is scum in any meaningful way that would result in him being lynched. I'm asking you to do that. Why won't you do that? | ||
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Disregard the WIFOM bombs caused by BC's voteswitch because that is exactly what it is - WIFOM. Explain why Risen is scum without BC incriminating him. In the meantime, explain how Pandain is town, knowing that he at some point has lied, either TO confirmed-town-supersoft in their masonchat or to the thread regarding said masonchat, or debunk my case on Pandain, or since you all have such a fucking hard-on for flipped townies, read Rayn's case on Pandain. I'm headed to bed shortly, and I'll be away from my computer until tomorrow evening. Maybe some phone posting tomorrow. ##Vote: Pandain Btw, I'm 3rd party planar dragon, because semi-open setups with minimal notifications get broken by mass-claims (see OATS IS SCUM BECAUSE RB HERP DERP FUCKING SS CONFIRMED TOWN GREATEST EVAR OMG). | ||
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Coag is as about as useless as LM, but with double the filter. I agree that thrawn looks scummy based on the past couple pages. More suiciding onto Grack makes no sense though, so I'm hesitant. I'd be willing to lynch thrawn today, at least over Risen (but not over Pandain). | ||
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On November 24 2013 23:45 Holyflare wrote: Is nobody going to point out how thrawn was all buddy buddy to BC all game and saying he liked his posts and then guess where his vote ended up? Yeh, on BC. ##Vote: Thrawn See: austinmcc @Pandain "confirmed town" and @Vayne "Austin killed rayne" -- BC last minute voted for the WIFOM. BC's UNVOTE killed RAYNE. It incriminates Risen. It makes it LOOK like he wanted to kill Pandain. | ||
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I'll get around to tunnelling you don't worry. Right after I figure out how to save risen. | ||
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a) you/your lynch is not contributing to town imo b) I think Pandain is scum and want to know if and or why people disagree. Pandain, Austin and grack are the only people I remember seeing address the possibility of Pandain being scum in any reasonable detail. You almost immediately got all the votes. No thought required. I can't believe scum are going to throw away kp without a fight. I think BC WIFOM bombed the shit out of us. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:33 Grackaroni wrote: Hopeless why do you think Risen is town? I dont think he's town, this lynch just feels shitty is all. Going to bed now so I'll try to make something happen in the morning. | ||
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austin what do you think are the chances that hiro didnt realize both mayor and pardoner get vests? I seem to remember someone else having the same issue but I cba to find it right now. | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:19 Mig wrote: Hopeless can you explain why exactly pandain is mafia, besides the pandain lied about the logs thing? Which was already explained about 10 times in the thread. So you can say how you wont lynch a claimed vet? No, won't bother right now. I'll do this though: ##Unvote: Pandain ##Vote: Thrawn2112 I'm more inclined to believe austin's case for town-risen. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:11 Koshi wrote: scum thrawn. BUT always lynch Risen over Kush today. ??? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20261055 | ||
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If marv wants to give us a panic 24hour day, I wouldnt be upset. | ||
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##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake | ||
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On November 26 2013 10:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mig Onegu Coagulation Hopeless1der Grackaroni Pandain austinmcc Risen Mr. Cheesecake Holyflare LoneMeow Alakaslam I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town. Sup? | ||
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##Vote: Pandain p.s. I don't believe Pandain is a vet. Hence the singular form when referring to austin's role. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:39 LoneMeow wrote: The fact that VayneAuthority was killed over austinmcc/Pandain/Grackaroni makes me doubt my earlier reads that they'd all be town. Would probably prefer Grackaroni over Pandain though, and both of them over austinmcc. And still probably one of the others first. Need to go back and re-read a bit before I can decide. How can you possibly think austin might be scum after the thrawn lynch? As to why was VA shot, maybe there was a chance he lied about losing his bombs and could have acted as additional kp? I'd like to hear why you had Pandain as town if you'd be so inclined. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:37 LoneMeow wrote: That's why he's the last one on my "to lynch" list. It's not totally impossible, but so very implausible that I'd lynch anyone else first. I don't have my notes here, so all I can say is that I remember having marked him as town. I'll recheck in a couple of hours when I get home. If you had to lynch someone who's not Pandain, who would that be? I would literally push to have myself lynched before austin because it would be better for town. Anyone else interested in talking to me about Pandain? Shortlist: - BH claim Flip-Flop. - Lies about vet claim involving SS. - Masons me and proceeds to do nothing. - Maintained vote on Risen as per CC's list of people to lynch if Risen is town (see also Onegu) | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:42 Onegu wrote: So I was masoned with pandain yesterday and I dont see the reason why a scum pandain would do that? Like I guess he masons people he presumes weak and can manipulate them. Looking back on it maybe this is it, he is the one that got me off of HF for the time being, and tried to keep me on a oats or mrcc lynch. logs? Also, look at BC and Thrawn's logs. Can you really conclude they were scum from those interactions? Or do you just not want to lynch into masons? | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:44 Grackaroni wrote: Could you not waste your vote? We've all seen your Pandain case and it hasn't convinced anybody. Pandain has posted a lot of things since then so either write something new on Pandain or vote someone reasonable. Cool story. My lynch candidate is leading the votes. My vote is also on scum, so its not being wasted. If you want to talk about how you think Pandain is town, I'd like to hear it. This goes for anyone. On December 04 2013 16:08 Alakaslam wrote: ##Vote: Hopeless1der Yes, but why? Why do people believe Pandain is a vet? At this point, he's never going to be nk'd, either because he is in fact a vet or because he is scum. Austin will always eat a bullet before Pandain does. His role cannot self confirm. His claim regarding his role have come under very scummy circumstances, including calling SS a liar to the thread that could have gotten SS lynched. I'm posting this again. If you read it, I want your comments on what kind of mentality it takes for Pandain to neglect to say anything to me for over a day in mason chat: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 12:46 Hopeless1der wrote: Well thats a cool story. I'll be waiting....until then, maybe someone else can explain why Pandain wanted to mason me? Or maybe you can just lynch him? Or both, whatever, your call. Someone take a look at this: Okay now check out the time on Message #1 in the mason chat: + Show Spoiler + 6 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:43 PM ET (US) jk 5 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) well that was fun, we should do this again some time. gotta go out shortly. If there was a point to masoning me be sure to mention for when I'm back. 4 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) yes 3 Pandain 11-21-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) lol 2 hopeless1der 11-21-2013 05:24 PM ET (US) oh this should be good. you need me to proofread your case on rayn before you post it? 1 marvellosity 11-21-2013 05:02 PM ET (US) Pandain and Hopeless1der mason Day 3/Night 3 When you're done think about why Pandain does that as either town or mafia->+ Show Spoiler + I cant think of a town motive to start a mason chat and have nothing to say at the start of it, and I know there doesn't seem to be a scum motive either, but in the absence of ANY motivation I default to scum playing WIFOM games to mess with people. Thoughts? Short version of spoiler: Pandain masons me within minutes of being called out for his ninja vote on Rayn, proceeds to do NOTHING in mason chat despite his assertion in recent mason chat with Onegu that he wanted to "determine my alignement" He didnt do anything. Granted, I wasn't the most responsive, but he masoned me. Shouldnt he want to talk? Try to get me to say something? Out me to the thread saying I'm uncooperative and its scummy? He does none of this and just ignored the mason chat. I had an existing scumread on him, he makes no attempt to change my mind. Doesn't offer any of his own opinions. | ||
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Dat doublestack lol. "Risen 200% scum, oats 100% scum. Re:SS reads" I'm sad I never suicided. Its so up my alley too. | ||
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I'd like to see if BC wants to gloat or not tbh. | ||
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On December 08 2013 12:51 Holyflare wrote: Oh yeh he was rb too that's why :D Bc called us terrible in obs qt btw, meh Yeah rb-pardoner-vet town SS. #damnnatureyouscary | ||
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Meanwhile, there is marv in the obsQT struggling to keep his information to himself and still no one said a thing about me. I'm a freaking ninja! p.s. I cant access the spreadsheet. should I actually request permission or can it be made public? | ||
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On December 08 2013 15:25 Pandain wrote: You guys shouldn't be shitting up a thread now meant for post-analysis. Good for Coag for resolving the situation one way or another. Yeah Hopeless, honestly if I wasn't so hooked on your attitude in the thread(which I guess now is too fake/adamant to be real), you didn't actually do anything in the game Aside from cast aspersions at you and sheep austin, I agree I was largely useless. I still wish I'd managed to get you lynched. That would have been a real feather in my cap. | ||
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On December 08 2013 21:33 Adam4167 wrote: And there you go. A simple case, a single line. It shows a clear disconnect in logical thought processes in just a 4 hour period where Hopeless says 'Right after I figure out how to save Risen' to 'I don't think hes town, its just a shitty lynch'. Do you frequently try to derail lynches on someone you have a 'not town' or 'null' read on? Does any townie do this, ever? Nope. Then to vote him the next day without reason should have moved him into the 'kill with fire' category. I'd LOVE to have seen his response to this case if someone had picked up on it at the time. My response to syllo's case on me being scum Re: my stance on Risen is based largely on the context of those posts: + Show Spoiler + Syllo, two of those three points are basically jokes. First quote, I was referencing this from holy, note "save" in his quote: Second quote was my attempt to mock Pandain, because he's scum and he needs to fucking die. Actually I'd say Risen is almost certainly town and Pandain is working for towncred. BC had no intention of killing Pandain and did it to WIFOM the shit out of us. Looks like it worked like a fucking charm too, so gratz on the free win scumteam. Maybe town can pull its collective heads from its asses to get this lynch on to scum? Yeah this one has changed, Pandain is trying to soak town-cred by looking reasonable. Can someone please respond to my goddamn cases on him? Some parts of this case may have changed depending on when someone decided to call me out, but that would have been the jist of it. I think I would have gotten away with the snarky joke-type posts considering my "claim" On November 24 2013 13:24 Hopeless1der wrote: SS' final reads can take a backseat. Anyone using the fact that he's confirmed town as reasoning to say that SS is all of a sudden 100% right needs to slap themselves in the face as hard as they can. Take your dominant hand (for most people that's the right hand) and draw it in a rapid motion from right-to-left (left-to-right if left-handed) such that your palm strikes your cheek in a glancing but definitive contact that results in a jarring sensation. Good. Now play the fucking game you pieces of shit holy fuck balls dhjfsdahgkfjgshdvmdfiahfueahlguahlfhvkmfdvuhfglnwefujludhlfkjngfjnkj. Disregard the WIFOM bombs caused by BC's voteswitch because that is exactly what it is - WIFOM. Explain why Risen is scum without BC incriminating him. In the meantime, explain how Pandain is town, knowing that he at some point has lied, either TO confirmed-town-supersoft in their masonchat or to the thread regarding said masonchat, or debunk my case on Pandain, or since you all have such a fucking hard-on for flipped townies, read Rayn's case on Pandain. I'm headed to bed shortly, and I'll be away from my computer until tomorrow evening. Maybe some phone posting tomorrow. ##Vote: Pandain Btw, I'm 3rd party planar dragon, because semi-open setups with minimal notifications get broken by mass-claims (see OATS IS SCUM BECAUSE RB HERP DERP FUCKING SS CONFIRMED TOWN GREATEST EVAR OMG). | ||
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I'd also like to commend austin on continuing to play in what has to be the towniest play-style and player in this game. Hats off to you austin, a true example of how to play when you have the veteran role. | ||
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On December 09 2013 08:34 Grackaroni wrote: I actually disagree, I think Austin needs to consolidate his posts more. He was really obviously town but his posts are so verbose that it deters people from reading through his filter, which is a shame because his reads were probably the best of any townie this game. (Led the charge on Thrawn and BC). The filter was bordering on Rayn territory haha. Austin continued to put effort into the game when most of the other players had completely tuned out. People didnt need to read his posts thoroughly to understand what he was saying, the jist of it was always there and he oozed town all over. If 1 or 2 other players would have been inspired by him to go try-hard on the game it could have turned out very differently for us. It wasnt meaningless spam or arguments with other players either, it was very often the results of filter dives, and while they were longish posts he didnt take 2 pages to go through 1 filter (See Slam's phone-post shenanigans). | ||
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Rayn your reads and instincts are pretty good, you just dont stop to actually decide what it is that you want to do once you've "caught" scum (sometimes not always scum but thats not the problem). You keep going full steam into anyone who crosses your path, and while being suspicious of everyone is probably the prudent choice, you alienate the town when people learn that by disagreeing with you, they will probably be called scum for it. I would sincerely like to ask, do people tend to re-read their OWN filter through the game? I'm not sure if its an ego thing, but if you get lynched, enough wisdom of the crowds has happened to decide you were scummy. Some of that is mafia influenced but YOU are responsible if you get lynched. So many players have thrown hissy fits over "well I'm so obv town so FUCK YOU guy". That attitude is complete bullshit and I hope people learn to get off their high horse and take a look in the mirror once in a while. Go read Pandain's ppstgame self-reflection for a good template of how to take an objective stance on your own play. | ||
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He did claim vet too after all.
