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On November 11 2013 04:48 Mig wrote: This game will never start. In that case, /in for posterity. | ||
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On November 12 2013 17:16 Koshi wrote: I am still looking for a chief of press for my campaign as Mayor. Interested? Can I get a job too? I make a good mascot. | ||
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On November 13 2013 04:40 Koshi wrote: How is your reputation with the other respected elders? I would be grateful if you would push votes for me from them. I am pretty sure you were already long around when there were some youngings playing their first mafia game. I have been here since the dawn of time. Before time itself even existed, I was already present. Both young and old shall be swayed to listen to my words and act accordingly. All for a modest price of about tree fiddy. | ||
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I think Rayn is scum. His nitpicking on HolyFlare's open post feels awful to me. HF's post was clearly not alignment indicative. Mayoral campaigns was something everyone had in the back of their minds when they signed up for this game. Obviously you'll already have thoughts of how to write it down. Furthermore there's lots of things stating the obvious. Don't like the ignoring of Risen either. Says he doesn't like people needlessly antagonizing others then proceeds to do it himself. I've got an opinion on the Mocsta vs Storrzerg thing but I'd rather give him a chance to respond first and see where it goes. Also hate Mig's opening post. More stating the obvious and no followup so far. I'll also support any supersoft lynch on the base of him being a dick. | ||
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On November 15 2013 19:55 supersoft wrote: So you support a lynch on me, because i am a dick? What? You realize this game is about winning and killing scum. You think I am scum? This game is about having fun. You being a dick impedes on that fun, therefore I will support opportunities to remove you from the game should they arise. I won't push your lynch unless I think you're scum, but I will support a realistic one. | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:03 OOHCHILD wrote: Artanis isnt that against your wincon if you think hes town? I don't think he's town, I think he's null right now. | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:09 supersoft wrote: So you happily lynch people that are 0 ? If they're called supersoft, yes. It'd much improve town atmosphere and my enjoyment of the game. Why are you bringing so much attention to this anyway? It's an extremely hypothetical situation that requires you and another lynch candidate to be close in votes. Do you think I'm scum for it? | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:21 OOHCHILD wrote: Artanis I think you got very scummy very quickly with that comment. Supersoft was the first one to push rayne. Doesnt make a lot of sense for them to both be scum. Yet you seem really sure rayne is scum. I've read through the thread once and ss's posts didn't stand out to me alignment wise. Also, are you saying that scum never accuse eachother first on Day 1? Are you being cereal? | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:26 supersoft wrote: lynch to improve the town atmosphere. Very interesting. What do you think about me. Did we play together before? How do you remember me? Answer quickly and don't research me. I played with you together in a game a while back where you smurfed. Don't remember the exact name of the game. I remember you as being a dick. | ||
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Oats, what do you think about Rayn? | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:42 supersoft wrote: pfff always the same with you guys... this is a game. Play your role. Play to win. This isn't a forum to friendly chat with each other. this is mafia, you want to create an uncomfortable situation for scum. Friendly chatting with each other is a situation which is optimal for scum. Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely. If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad. You realize that there's a bit of a gap between being overly friendly and antagonizing every single person you see at any given opportunity right? Posts like On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote: Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown. I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. Are never going to help town because it's going to get a bunch of townies mad. People that are mad tend to not enjoy playing the game. People that don't enjoy the game either spam the thread to show their anger, making it unreadable, or cut down on their posting drastically. This isn't a game of extremes, and this isn't the first time people have told you this as you're well aware of given you started with "always the same with you guys". Perhaps some inner reflection is in order? People play games because they enjoy them. That's the entire point of the game. It's in fact possible to analyze people without being a dick. You just haven't tried yet. If you're willing to do that, then I'm happy to give my full collaboration. Unless you're scum of course, in which case you shall die a horrible fiery death. | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:44 supersoft wrote: Wait a second. Are you a girl? Artanis? because that definetely makes perfect sense! Disregard previous post. | ||
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On November 15 2013 20:50 Oatsmaster wrote: you couldve /outed. I think rayn is pretty scummy but I wanna know what the people who played the last game with him think. Didn't notice him until too late. Besides I think I can still enjoy the game. It'd help for everyone involved if people stopped asking me about him though. Less clutter in the thread and all that. Fair enough. What do you think about VE? I remember you saying you didn't like him earlier but he's posted a bunch after that and he's been pretty much leading town for a bit now. | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:09 Skanjab1s wrote: Also VE is a scummyscumbutt Can you expand on that? | ||
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On November 15 2013 21:59 supersoft wrote: btw. Artanis, i thought about our little conversation. I don't buy it, that you think i am a dick and you'd /outed that game if you'd seen that i am /in. This story is weak covering attempt for your scummy statement, that you're completely happy lynching me, even though, you think I am 0 (obviously you know that I am town, since you're scum, so your statements make even more sense.) Yeah man, I totally didn't care last game. Problem was that it was 9 months ago so I needed a reminder in this thread after signing up. On November 15 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen has overly paranoid reads as both alignments, there is no way of telling his alignment from those posts. So what's your plan of getting a read on Risen? Your initial post said that you wanted to ignore him on day 1 leading me to believe you thought he was town being dumb. Why did you make that initial statement? | ||
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On November 15 2013 23:37 Spaghetticus wrote: I just got home. it seems like we've been active, I'll read through. Hello friend, do you have any thoughts yet? Any are welcome. Regarding thread: I had a similar evolution of my read on Rayn as HF had. The way he responded to the pressure was one I'd expect a clear headed town to make. Rather than defend himself over and over he pried into players to get new reads and update his old ones. Due to having the same evolution in my read at the same time I find it hard to consider him scum at this point. I don't like the cases on Grackaroni. I see anti town behaviour, but not scum behaviour. I don't feel there's an agenda behind Grack's posts. He's got a minimal influence on the thread. Especially BC's felt full of padding. On November 16 2013 02:28 Mig wrote: The first half of BC's case against you Grack is terrible and overwritten but he is accurate in saying you have been worthless this game. In white flag you figured out pandain was town very quickly and zerod in on Oats in no time. This game you have provided nothing. A couple questions, 1) besides bc who do you think is scum, and is bc your strongest scum read? 2) what do you think of pandain this game? You also haven't been very useful yet this game. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: artanis do me a favour read this for me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni¤tpage=3 tell me how that game differs from this one. Hint, grack was town in that one Fair enough. He does seem to take the game a lot more serious there than he has been here. I checked White Flag out too though and he spent a good deal of Day 1 arguing about RNG lynching, here it was the mayor election. He was more proactive in both White Flag and Hogwarts than he has been so far though, I'll give you that. Why didn't you make this comparison immediately though? On November 16 2013 02:53 Mig wrote: A lot of my thoughts are based off the only recent game I have played with people. Before BC's post I was most suspicious of Grack. Now I am concerned that BC wrote out 5 paragraphs on Grack's trolling. BC should know better. Grack is still shady tho and hasn't been nearly as confident with his plays as he was in white flag. Hopeless - Useless and already making excuses for inactivity. He was quite helpful and confident in white flag. Mocsta- the hunt scum/for scum is possibly the dumbest argument I have ever read for why someone is scum and really seemed like he was stretching facts to make a case. I like this post a lot. Similar thoughts on BC and Mocsta. Haven't had the experience with Hopeless yet, will look into him. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I honestly didnt notice it til after. I haven't read white flag, or hogwarts. I also don't tend to read games if I haven't played in them. At an attempt to not repeat mistakes of my last large game I was in I opted to attempt a new route given how badly my normal one was received. That's what I thought. I'm presuming the trolling was what led you to investigate him to begin with. It leads to a desire of you for him to want to be scum so you search for a good reason to lynch him. There is some merit to your case, but I feel it's too padded and the actual core doesn't hold enough water for me. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not my point which you should know if you read the case. It was one of your points, and it's the point Hopeless brought up, or do you mean that Risen kept bringing it up after you clarified it? I can't make that out from your paragraph. | ||
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On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. Do you see a scum motivation for doing this though? It's guaranteed that he'll get called out on it by you, and he's already backing off and not trying to get you lynched anymore. It seems more like an oversight from a town player whom is trying to explain why he originally voted for you. I don't see how it's beneficial for scum to keep saying you called Risen town when it's been proven factually incorrect. There's no benefit to it. | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point is he is not even reading my posts regarding Risen and that's one of his reasons why he called me scum for. Would you not read your scumreads posts on something you called him scum for? It's happened to me before. Sometimes one gets lazy. A main reason I'm defending him in any case is because I've been able to follow his thought process in how he became suspicious of you and of how he dropped that suspicion since I had the same evolution in reads with similar reasoning. Given you consider HF scum, do you consider me scum as well? | ||
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On November 16 2013 03:33 Holyflare wrote: In other news I think artanis? said that hopeless' lack of posting couldn't be so alignment indicative but @artanis,what do you think of what i said earlier about his play in hogwarts/other town games? It is remarkably different even for such a low amount and it's effectively contentless. I think there's a good chance of hitting scum if we lynch him. I have no recollection of if there's a systematic correlation between his activity and his alignment. I haven't played enough games with him to make that judgement. It's always possible that someone's simply doesn't have the time. That said, Hopeless' return to the thread was underwhelming at best. | ||
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1. Who is scum? 2. Why? The following players are: Mattchew, Koshi (!!, already has 3 pages of filter), Storrzerg, Skanjab1s, hiro protagonist, Hopeless1der, Stutters695, Spaghetticus, VayneAuthority, Mr. Cheesecake, and BlazingHand. Some of these haven't posted yet but I want them to tell me as soon as they've caught up. | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:26 Koshi wrote: From the vets/actives I am not a supersoft fan. I said why. I am still waiting on follow ups/more posts from others. It was only critique on his lack of followup on his Mayoral platform, didn't feel like actual accusations to me. On November 16 2013 04:32 Koshi wrote: If I have to name a second name out of the actives it would be rayn. Like if you really really force me to name 1 more. Don't think I will be against his lynch today. I'm glad you named someone without me really really forcing you to. I'd like to know why too though. On November 16 2013 04:28 VayneAuthority wrote: seems odd to try and force scum reads out of people lol, full discretion will never be provided on my part I didn't know it was weird to try and get information out of people so I can read them and possibly evolve my own reads too. Your resistance has been noted. | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:39 VayneAuthority wrote: just seems like you picking through the garbage votes to see where you should head for a mislynch, it's not a good look Or I'm trying to get a read on people who haven't posted anything of use yet such as yourself. Is your resistance to my question based on mistrust or laziness, I wonder? | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:52 VayneAuthority wrote: I have an excellent idea, LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT. If you were given three little birds, what would they say? They would sing in unison about the great dodge of VA, and the awful uncertainty of the colour of his blood that follows from it. | ||
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On November 16 2013 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm glad you named someone without me really really forcing you to. I'd like to know why too though. | ||
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On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote: Mig StorrZerg hiro protagonist austinmcc Risen yamato77 Alakaslam BlazingHand i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though I'd rather know why you think these guys are scum, particularly Mig, Austin and Yamato because I disagree with all three of those and if someone has scumspects I don't agree with and haven't been discussed at length yet I'd like to know why. | ||
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It's Artanis the sexy handsome amazing good looking hero of towniness. What do you make of BC? | ||
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On November 16 2013 21:33 Clarity_nl wrote: What would you like to be called hunnykins? works for me babe <3 | ||
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On November 16 2013 21:58 LoneMeow wrote: I am semi here, who do you want to talk about? The idea is to bounce reads off of one another. I ask you about someone, you answer me and ask me about someone. What do you think about BC? | ||
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On November 16 2013 22:16 Skanjab1s wrote: Why and why? | ||
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On November 16 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What super? How do you tell the difference between town and assassin? Also explain Mig being scum, Im thinking he is town now actually. Town wants scum dead, assassin wants assassin dead. An assassin isn't as interested in finding scum as he is in finding the other assassin. I don't think VE would attract this much attention to him if he was though, especially with this mayoral campaign. Can't imagine the bulletproof works vs an assassin shot given they only have one shot. | ||
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On November 16 2013 22:24 LoneMeow wrote: I'll give BC "leaning slightly town". I don't see anything especially scummy in his posts. So you see something slightly townie in his filter? Could you expand on what gives you that feel? And could you ask me about someone you find interesting? The idea of this little excercise is to get better reads for both of us on eachother and get other perspectives on the people we ask about. Your answer doesn't really help in that regard. | ||
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On November 16 2013 22:44 LoneMeow wrote: I find his early reads agreeable and his agenda town, pushing players who are definitely not playing pro-town. I'd like to hear what you think about yamato, seeing as he's the "second option" for mayor right now. I find BC hard to read. On one hand I find his push on Grack and Storr weak. Both players were already being pushed and I feel BC pushed them too strongly for the reasons he provided. However, I checked his previous game in PTP where he was town and he pushed xxSK8rGUy277xx even harder than anyone trolling this game, which leads me to believe that his push isn't alignment indicative. He hasn't provided that much other than those two pushes. Don't like his platform of supporting ss but I don't find it scummy either, so I'm placing him as null right now. Yamato has been confrontational this game. He's also tried to keep the conversation on topic whenever it was getting derailed. On November 15 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote: there's actually stuff you could talk about, you know He's asking a lot of questions which is in his meta for both alignments, but he arrives at conclusions from them this game whereas in scum games he seems content to just fire in every direction. Yamato's posts all feel like they're coming from a town perspective to me. What do you think about Spaghetticus? | ||
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On November 16 2013 23:37 Spaghetticus wrote: I'd also like to add that the nature of my summary is everything I found to be non-fluff. If it's not mentioned, it's likely I thought it fluff. I've named the pages so that people can verify the accuracy of my statements easily, or look for more information. I've got to write some D&D campaign for tomorrow and catch some sleeps... in the next nine hours. I've then got to host said campaign for approx five hours. I don't want to be entirely silent up until the election, but I don't really have time to do much. Can someone give me an estimate of how long until the election? I have no idea how to read/interpret global time readouts. The way I thought intuitive turned up an impossible result. I'll try to turn up sometime before the election... but this isn't boding well for my sleeps... Election finishes in about 10 hours and 20 minutes. | ||
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On November 16 2013 23:50 Mig wrote: I read it, I agree with some of the points. Especially removing Grack/Storr from his lynch candidates with little to no explanation is weird to me. Other points are cherry picking tho, asking people their thoughts on Grack is a good thing. Forces people to take a side and gives you more information to define your read with. Overall even though VE hasn't made any strong cases the questions he asks are good and I think are generally leading the town discussion in a good direction. Right now I am still open to voting VE but I am considering voting BC also. Are you confident in that BC is town? If so, what specifically changed your mind from null? | ||
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On November 17 2013 00:00 Mig wrote: No I wouldn't say I am super confident BC is town, although I liked his pressure on Storr. But I agree with his 2 top scum picks, grack/storrzerg and I would prefer to see one of them lynched over VE's current candidates. Which is why I am considering him more strongly. He only really pressured Storr for a little bit though in his initial post with Grack. After that it was a back and forth where neither side were really accomplishing anything. No stronger reads or convincing of anyone that the other was town. BC also stopped pressing for either of them to get lynched in favour of discrediting Yamato and pushing for ss as mayor. He doesn't seem to have conviction in his cases. | ||
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On November 17 2013 00:09 LoneMeow wrote: Before his VE case I'd have said completely null. I haven't fully analyzed the case yet, but just the fact that he's pushing someone most consider town makes him either quite ballsy scum or town, and I'd be tempted to think the latter is more probable (NB: I'm not aware of his meta). What do you think of raynpelikoneet? I think Spaghetticus is the towniest town in the block right now. His opening was really paranoid, and the fact that he made a case on the player with the most townreads just underlines this really strongly. Trust is hard for him to come by and it makes perfect sense to start out that way when you're still trying to find your way. As far as I know this is his first big game and first non-newbie game, and he's playing exactly as how I'd expect a townie in that position to play and completely the opposite of how a scum in that position would play. I've come around to Rayn. My opinions on him are well documented in my filter. His current play has shaped up quite a bit and I feel like he's asking good questions and I have no qualms over his current play. What do you think of Mig? Also, Mocsta is scum. His case on StorrZerg was awfully artificial to begin with and he hasn't brought it back up since returning to the thread. As soon as Spaghetticus sticks his neck out and someone questioned about him before, Mocsta sees his chance of casting suspicion on someone and trying to gain some town cred. 30 minutes after his giant case Mocsta already calls it bogus, clearly not having read it properly as he says: On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote: Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE? I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. When Spaghetti clearly indicates he doesn't want to lynch VE, he just wants him to not become mayor, which would be evident if he actually read the case properly. Mocsta saw an opportunity to make someone look bad and took it. He wasn't interested in actually finding out his alignment. I wish to see him hang. | ||
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On November 17 2013 00:11 Mig wrote: Do you like VE's lynch candidates? Which of Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant do you think are likely to be scum? I agree that BC's unwavering support of ss is shady to me. I have a weak scumread on Sharrant, and haven't really looked into Skanjab or Pandain yet. They haven't said anything that tickled my fancy yet. | ||
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On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote: This is an absolute joke. Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour. Explain now how I "trying to gain some town cred" by querying spaggheticus. FYI, I did not read the entire diatribe on VE. Kudos to you if you did, however, to me: the intent is the same as far as im concerned. Its shitting up the thread on someone that is a valid candidate in my opinion. I vehemently disagree on your last statement. Tell me why any scum attacks any town player? Is that really a question? Yeah, it's definitely shitting up the thread when he posted his case in a spoiler tag to prevent exactly that. You just threw out an accusation because you saw an easy opportunity to do so that you thought had little chance of backfiring. That's been your entire game so far. You've attacked StorrZerg, Grackaroni, and Hopeless1der, all easy targets, and now you saw another one to add to the list. You're scum bro. | ||
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On November 17 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote: Firstly, it doesnt matter if he spoilered it or not. He was asking for follow-ups on something I find to be irrelevant, useless, and yes - shitting the thread. I think my point is extremely valid, and you are starting to give me the shits about this. Why are you avoiding having a genuine discussion with me? instead you have to discredit me by saying my reads are 'easy targets" I stand by Storrzerg and Grack as scum. Hopeless was more an observation. Since when is "easy target" not equivocal to being mafia? You are skewing everything to fit your story and I'm finding this to be damn scummy. Whose scum Artanis. What, me Sharrant, and who else? Cos from a glance of your filter I see a bunch more town reads than scum reads. I'm attacking you on what's important. You showed a clear scum mindset when you jumped on the opportunity to attack a player that wasn't established as town by anyone. I figure any townie can see how Spaghetti is clearly town from how paranoid he was in the past. I therefore find you likely to be scum. You've only attacked players that were easy to target and had, if my memory serves me right, already been attacked by others, but that's not as relevant. The main point is you attacked Spaghetti because you saw an opportunity to incriminate him, not because you actually believed him to be scum. This is made clear by not even having read the case that you found disruptive. This means you didn't even consider it. I'm not skewing anything, I'm calling it as I read it. I have other suspects which have been made clear in my filter. You're by far on number one right now though, and I appreciate the panic chainsaw defense. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: lol artanis why so scum? lol oats why so bad? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote: Now you are making yourself look stupid. Chainsaw defense on who? What I meant was OMGUS. My apologies for the wrong term. (1) I was the first to attack Storr, and I believe the first to attack Grack -- I should be as he immediately retaliated against me. Your points are making no sense Artanis. Are you tunneled or jsut bullshitting off the cuff? Ah yes, I remember your initial case against Storr. It was an amazing one with great points such as hunt for scum, and how he wishes to use rng, which has proven to be a great scumtell in the past. BC already attacked Grackaroni before you did. You were having a back and forth with him but didn't accuse him until others already did. (2) Say what you will about not reading the VE spoiler, but heres the header: Shall I reemphasize case + shutting down VEs attempt at mayordom?? Yes. Shutting down VE's attempt at mayordom is something different from wanting him lynched isn't it? Of coutrse I opened the spoiler, and in the same motion deemed it too much information. But let me guess, I am scum for that. Fact is, I disagreed with Spag conclusion and stand by it. What I also disagree with is your approach to faking pressure on me. I say faking because all your pressure is through misconstruing fact. I can only assume you think Storrzerg is town too? Well, if you're going to call someone scum for something then not read what that is then that's pretty damning. And I'm construing it in a way that makes sense to me. I can't see a townie consider Spaghetticus scum for what he said, especially with the tenacity and speed that you jumped on it showed little reflection. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote: This is absolutely pointless now and shitting the thread. I made a new case on Storrzerg dipshit. + your points on Grack are weak. What, am I meant to accuse all 6 people I think could be scum.. that they are scum at the same time? Lastly, when someone says they are making a preliminary "case".. the natural interpretation is push for a lynch. Stop being useless and wasting my time Artanis. Good night. Yes, this exchange is pointless as you haven't construed a reasonable town motivation for your actions and I don't believe you can as there is none. Yes you did. I'm saying your initial case was little more than nitpicking and made me suspect you more so than it ever did of Storr. And no you're not. The first points were simply to indicate you haven't done anything townwise. The incriminating part, as I have often repeated, is how you jumped to the conclusion that Spaghetticus is scum without properly reading the very thing you're accusing him of. This is a fact. If you're this careless about people you 'analyze' on then I can't give much meaning to anything you say. Stop breathing Mocsta, I'd like scum blood to flow. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Prooobably not. What makes him a better lynch than, say, Skanjab? I've repeated it many times. He's shown a scum mindset in that he wants to make people suspicious/lynch people rather than actually find scum. That's what he tried doing to Spaghetticus, except this time he was too careless and didn't read so he fell through the basket. | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote: Comment on any other of my reads and tell me why Mocsta is more likely mafia than any of them. Right now, I don't think he is. Am I correct in thinking those are Onegu, Grackaroni, Holyflare and BH? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: BH, Austin, Grack, Onegu Haven't looked at holy yet honestly. What exactly do you find scummy for Austin? For the other three, none of the things they've done can only be explained from a scum mindset which I feel is different from how Mocsta has played thus far. I can't see the motivation for his actions from a town mindset. Can you? | ||
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On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote: The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. I like the way austin goes about getting reads. I don't like his lack of followup on it though. He also seems to question a bunch of folks then suddenly bam, a read on Pandain, one of the players he didn't question. I want to see what information the questions he asked led towards. I don't feel like he's been focussing on his town read of Hiro too much though, just a bit at the start but he moved on from that. I'd consider Austin slightly suspicious, but I wouldn't want to see his head chopped off yet. | ||
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On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote: Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball. If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with. Trolling or is this an actual thought? I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC? | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote: Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. For it is something similar that Onegu does. He doesn't actually ask people's thoughts, but he's echoing them, taking the momentum others have on certain players and rolling with it making it look like he's contributing when nothing is being added. Some background information on some players here and there if he played with them, and continuing Rayn's pressure on HF. What also catches my eye is how he ends his 'case' on HF. On November 16 2013 21:05 Onegu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game? Here is the first time he mentions or talks to mattchew. On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote: Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts. Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like: . Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time? ________________________________________________________ For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would. Followed 2 posts later by this. He cannot get a good read on him and all his posts are crap. And then gives a dumb reason for wanting to lynch him, when mattchew wasnt the only person doing this. Then he links 2 town games and a scum game adds very little meta reads while asking what does a scum matt look like. And then again. On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote: Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. Asking for more thoughts. On November 15 2013 14:47 Holyflare wrote: I disagree with you: here is his filter for hogwarts: click me! while yes, there are singular lines, there is also hefty content at parts just like the town games I linked, albeit this game is still early so it's justifiable for the near future, I want to hear more from him because right now I think it falls more in line with his scum game (even if it is old) Either way he is not around to defend himself and so I'll move elsewhere for now. He gets a response and this is his reply. I have a few problems with this post also. First he doesnt add any substance, he adds more meta and then he even says the meta he adds is old. There are zero recent scum games for HF to compare, so there is no way HF should be going after Mattchew with OLD meta reasons. So HF barely mentions mattchew, then he asks for others opinions. Gives a small reason of matt is posting one liners and giveing out town reads so he should be lynched. Then asking more people for mattchew thoughts, posting outdated meta arguements. Holyflare never actually makes a case on mattchew other than what I have said, but is ok with mattchew being lynched. Then HF never mentions Mattchew again. He's already giving the guy he wrote a case on a way out if he wants to. Other than that he's been trolling around a bit. I could get behind an Onegu lynch at this point. HolyFlare, I'm more mixed on. I shared his suspicion on Rayn as well as his change in that read and could follow his thought process well, but there have been some good points raised about him, though I can't find them right now. I have a strong feeling he's town based on being able to follow his thought process and I have little interest in seeing him anywhere near the lynching block right now. What do you make of Koshi? | ||
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I like the method you use to garner reads in asking specific questions to players, asking others to take looks at things you found interesting and seeing if they come to the same conclusions. However, it doesn't give any information regarding your alignment. I believe you're able to do this as both town and scum. What bothers me is the lack of conclusions in your resume. In your opening statements, you question Rayn, Risen, and Sharrant. Later, you question Onegu and Koshi, and ask StorrZerg a few rhetorical questions. Then you start pressuring BC a bit but it doesn't really go anywhere. You never make yourself a strong town presence when you clearly have the wit to do so, and have put in enough time to know what you're speaking of. It feels like you're being more of a thread coach than an actual presence yourself, which is a position more favourable to scum than to town as you can duck responsibility, so I had you as a minor scum read until now. Engaging in this back and forth does help as I feel it helps give me more insight into your personal thoughts on players, but I can't help but wonder if your involvement in it isn't triggered by realizing that there is town sentiment that's swaying against you and that you need to be less lazy. I'm fairly null on your position, with a slight lean towards scumminess right now. My return question is: Why did you ask me to give my thoughts on you? Did you want to analyze my thought process, or give yourself an opportunity to rectify whatever people might see scummy in you, or is it something different? | ||
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On November 17 2013 11:24 Pandain wrote: Stutters/Vayne*/BH/ are my reads. Vayne with an asterisk because I'm always wrong about him lolz. Re-read Rayn way less confident but can't really back down I'm too invested. + Show Spoiler + just kidding only somewhat suspicious actually I'm going to ignore rayn for now so if you're scum congratz I think one of the two masons that VE is talking about *might* be scum. I think two of OOHChild/Oats/Mattchew/Coag scum. That's my new pandain guess What do you find suspicious about Stutters? He just hasn't been there. Also, why do you find him more suspicious than someone like the Cheesecake? | ||
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Speaking of nothing new, I still want to lynch Mocsta. Can we do that tomorrow? | ||
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What does town mocsta do that scum mocsta doesn't in your experience that makes you say that? | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis instead of telling people to shut up can you read my case on HF and comment on it? If I comment on it will you stop arguing with HF? | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know because i have never played with scum!Mocsta but everything he has done town!Mocsta would do. A scum mocsta is just as out there as this Mocsta has been. The difference is that I don't think a town Mocsta would attack Spaghetti like this without properly reading what he said. He saw an opportunity and went for it rather than actually trying to find scum. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:29 austinmcc wrote: Mocsta, have you been scum in any large games? Austin, would you like to continue our little volleyball game from before? I have some time and I think it'd help both my own reads and my reads on yourself. I'll give you a short one for a warmup in Mig. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Austin, would you like to continue our little volleyball game from before? I have some time and I think it'd help both my own reads and my reads on yourself. I'll give you a short one for a warmup in Mig. Oh, and I'm also curious how my read on you affected your read on me and why. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea where Mocsta attacks him so i don't understand what you are trying to say. On November 16 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote: Spaghetticus I am finding you hard to read. Posts are verbose and complicated -- everything I expect from a scum spag trying to bamboozle the thread. Have a go at this: You haven't played the game for at least 6 months. VE has been playing for more than 6 months. 1/3 of the thread thinks VE is not only town, but a strong enough candidate to be voted mayor. Some of those may even be players that you think are town and possibly respect. Why would you try and smear his campaign? Is this guy really your best scum read that you are willing to shit the thread up to smite VE? I don't get a Spag that is town would do this... because I sure as hell know this is how scum spag likes to play. I would consider this a very clear attack. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also agree with Mocsta's post. Not that Spag was "shitting up the thread" but other points. Sure, some of what he says makes sense, but his approach feels so much like a dog who thinks he found a bone to me. Doesn't help that I consider Spaghetti the most townie guy in the thread so far too. Tried to get a read on Lonemeow through him too. The contrast between the two was fairly big as well. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote: Artanis, your assignment is holyflare I've given my thoughts on Holyflare before as per your request. HolyFlare, I'm more mixed on. I shared his suspicion on Rayn as well as his change in that read and could follow his thought process well, but there have been some good points raised about him, though I can't find them right now. I have a strong feeling he's town based on being able to follow his thought process and I have little interest in seeing him anywhere near the lynching block right now. To give you a bit more substance, I'll go into it a bit deeper. He started his mayoral election a little bit into Day 1 and got some flak for it from Pandain and Yamato, but it doesn't really phase him. After that, he opens up the offensive on Rayn which ended up producing pretty much the longest shitflinging this thread has seen. However, his initial reasons were sound and ones I shared. His comment of ignoring Risen sparked my interest as well, and he didn't tunnel him. The same post that accuses Rayn also includes a read on Hopeless. In the middle there's some trolly posts, which although seemingly insignificant indicate he's fooling around and enjoying himself. He's feeling comfortable and seems to be trying to figure the game out. Accuses Matt, and later continues on Rayn. This post in particular I actually find telling for his alignment. On November 15 2013 22:57 Holyflare wrote: @Mocsta's post/rest of the game (I think artanis said the same things I said about rayn at some point too?) I'm sorry, what, the past few pages have been literal reitterations of what I've already stated, how is this anything new?? I get if you agree with what I've said Here for reference: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote: fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: Here You claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum readS". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You get modkilled for not voting. :p What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote: Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game. Oats, shy are you so prickly this game. Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous. Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. but to copy it and make it look like your own thoughts and then ask people for their ideas on it is kind of a pain in the arse, at least give credit where credit is due Scum knows that the people they're accusing are actually town, but HF sees an opportunity to bring up his suspect and wants to claim credit for it. He's happy to have it scrutinized. He wants to talk about his case. As the game goes on, his read on Rayn changes around the same time mine does. As scum, emulating a town mindset is one of the toughest things there is. The fact that his thoughts regarding Rayn emulated mine so strongly makes it difficult for me to think he's scum. His comments started all focussing around defending himself from Rayn, in contrast to his earlier game where he participated in a lot of discussions. He feels attacked and it's stifling his game. He's not comfortable under the pressure, which is one thing that has me worried. You could explain it as feeling forced to defend yourself, or it's scum that feels cornered. On its own, I would consider it a mildly scummy thing to go into defensive mode, but considering the rest of the factors I feel town on HF. I'd feel much better once he starts giving original thoughts on other players, though. What do you make of Alakaslam? | ||
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On November 18 2013 05:34 austinmcc wrote: We'll do a quick one, LoneMeow. LoneMeow I have a confident townread on. He started the game by masoning Yamato. An action I would consider mildly townie to null. Mildly townie in that Yamato is a good player and is verbose, to null because I wouldn't consider him the best player in the game. Nevertheless, the argumentation for it makes sense if he played a previous game with Yamato. He tries to get a read on others by little things such as On November 15 2013 23:12 LoneMeow wrote: I'd like to hear if you think yamato outing me is alignment indicative or not. Something about raynpelikoneet is bothering me, but I can't pin it down on any specific post. I didn't like how strongly he defended me, though. I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him. He asks Mocsta a counter question to get some information out of him rather than just indulging him. The last part of this post is interesting too in that he openly leaves doubt on his read on StorrZerg, but follows it up by asking people for the information he's missing. His reads evolve and he's open about what's happening behind closed doors. I had a short back and forth with him too, and though it was difficult to get it going I found important information in how he read Spaghetticus that leads me to believe him to be town, in particular the contrast with how Mocsta approached the situation. On November 17 2013 00:09 LoneMeow wrote: Before his VE case I'd have said completely null. I haven't fully analyzed the case yet, but just the fact that he's pushing someone most consider town makes him either quite ballsy scum or town, and I'd be tempted to think the latter is more probable (NB: I'm not aware of his meta). What do you think of raynpelikoneet? His reaction to it seems to come from a town mindset, so I consider him just that. I don't have time to do another right now, but if you'd like to do one more that'd be fantastic. Your choice, and I'd also like to hear the motivation for your choice. | ||
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On November 18 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: + Show Spoiler [snip] + Let's keep talking about LoneMeow, and other people should also weigh in! I chose him just because of me misconstruing what thrawn wanted last night, and realizing I didn't remember much of what LoneMeow had actually posted, although there may be boatloads in mason chat (yamato, y/n?) I see the counter question, but it's really not much. What's your thought on this odd thing that just happened and involves me? Something wrong with rayn, dunno what. I'm confused on storr, would give him a null or if he's experienced, I'm not sure if I should be leaning scum. To me, there's very little there. I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him. If he's new he's null. If he's experienced, I DUNNO whether i SHOULD be leaning scum on him FOR NO REASONS WHATSOEVER. He's wishy washy on whether he should do something for no reason. I actually really dislike that bit. Even if he's asking for information, if you read it that way, what's he DOING with his question? He wants to know whether storr is new or not? So that he can either be null or be unsure whether he should be scummy on storr for unknown reasons? While he does ask for the information later, he doesn't do anything with it. Storr isn't mentioned at all in thread after he wants to know new/not, and we still don't know why new/not actually matters (or, given the SHOULD in his statement, whether new/not DOES matter). He's later compatible with VE for mayor, having never mentioned any of VE's lynch choices (or VE). Skan calls him out on this, and LM gives a very very very bland answer On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote: That is the white bread of answers. That is skim milk. He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think. You poke at him, and he responds that BC's early reads are agreeable, and he's pushing not pro-town players. Which would mean grack, never mentioned at all by LM, and ... storrzerg? Who LM was either null on or maybe should be scummy on, but was unsure. I dunno. I actually really dislike that filter. Yamato, yamato, yamato! You have now been summoned! Do you care to give any insight into mason chat from LM? Is there...stuff there? I don't think any of the points you've made point towards a scum rather than an inexperienced player that's uncertain and looks for guidance. The fact that he masoned Yamato before starting to chat also shows that uncertainty. If he were on a scumteam, I would imagine he would receive some help from them and sound less uncertain rather than more. A potential WIFOM argument, but I don't consider his reach out for guidance scummy. I think he's just a bit lost. That he mostly asked questions to Yamato compounds that. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'd like to lynch mattchew tomorrow. All the 'im town bitch' stuff feels fake as shit. 'are you kidding me ve' also fake. In addition he not do shiiiiiit entire daaaaaaay. Well, that's kinda ironic. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I expected this. Don't attack the player, logical fallacy. Attack my arguement. I think mattchew is scum for being fake. I wasn't attacking you in an attempt to weaken your initial argument. I was asking you a question regarding what we can expect of you in the coming days. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Well in the way you were posting it certainly suggested that. You just said that my post was ironic because i lurk. That was not an attempt to extract information regarding my activity later, it was simply a snide comment for either weakening my arguement or for the lulz. Either way, irrelevant and not helpful Anyway, probably a lot more lurking. The initial comment was a snide remark because I'm not a big fan of people using arguments that could be used just as well against them, as it showcases how little they care about the game. The following posts were actually about getting some information regarding your future activity. Do you have any reads other than mattchew for us? | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Your failure to make a remark on mattchew is what i fknd interestingm I bring up mattchew as possiblescum, we bounce ideas if you are town that cares. Going 'you arent active either' isnt helping anyone because im active RIGHT NOW and want to talk about it. other reads? In due time. maybe Being frustrated with someone that isn't playing the game and that person making a case on someone else for not playing the game as one of his main arguments can cause someone that does play the game to react in a frustrated way rather than a constructive way. As for Matt, I wouldn't be opposed to a Matt lynch. He doesn't justify any of his reads and doesn't bring anything new to the table, but it feels like a gamble. | ||
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On November 18 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Blazinghand you look really good now. :D I look best, bish please | ||
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On November 18 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think both Blazinghand and Bloodycobbler are scum. Explanation in a bit when i have a nice cup of coffee in front of me. BC has been on my radar for some time now. I'm looking forward to your explanation. On November 18 2013 20:54 LoneMeow wrote: I could perhaps buy yamato and Spaghetticus being shot because they looked extremely towny, but why was Sharrant shot? I don't think scum would shoot Spaghetti just because he looks towny. He was either shot to discredit VE or because he was critical of VE. As for Sharrant, that's probably a bluesnipe. Sharrant was very much in the background, and his only real accusation was on Rayn whom I have a solid town read on. | ||
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On November 18 2013 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant was shot because he was obviously blue if he wasn't scum. That dude is the worst guy on this planet to hide his blueness. Now the BH & BC thing.  | ||
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On November 18 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also riddle me this. Why would scum not shoot into them (BH/BC) if they were town? They have no reason to expect BH is not a tracker. They have every reason to expect yamato is docced over BC. Fuck they did not even roleblock BH. Supersoft did instruct docs to heal BC and not yamato. I think it's fair to presume a scumteam would expect ss's authority to work here. Not shooting BH makes little sense though and I'm happy to lynch him. Though I'm suspicious of BC myself your case hasn't really swayed me. I find his initial comeback where he makes a big case with little content on Grack more damning. Now that I think back, I also remember that Mocsta said he thought he started the case on Grack, where BC actually did so. Could this be an unintentional miscommunication in the scum QT in that they devised a strategy to get Grack mislynched? Might be too farfetched, but I dunno. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:26 Koshi wrote: I mean the meta search he did. About Mocsta not talking about his teammates. That stuff. His scumteam could know that and have mentioned it in the scum QT though. It's a nice point to bring up afterwards. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is it so hard for everyone to tell what they think about this whole mess? Everyone is just waffling around saying noting and reaching into no conclusion. I suggest town players start to come up with what they think about the situation because scum sure as hell are confused with Mocsta dead. I want BH dead for being useless and making silly claims. I want The Cobbler dead because he made bad cases and Mocsta jumping to his defense feels iffy. I hope that makes things clear. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote: This was right before supersoft might have been mayor. Pretty sure supersoft confirmed town or he knew VE was around to kill Skanjab. So let's say supersoft close to confirmed town. Good point, agreed. I'm gonna meta the fuck out of marv right now because I believe at least one of the supervets has to be scum. Marv is known for balancing his setups and doesn't believe in RNG. Therefore I find it likely that given ss is pretty town, it has to be between VE/the Cobbler/Mig. This is another reason why I'd like to see the Cobbler hang. Also because I like saying the Cobbler, and this gives me plenty of opportunities for that. | ||
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On November 18 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: You and BH arent included in SUPERVETS? Also Marv 100% randoms his setups. I don't think so, besides I'm confirmed town from Mocsta's flip. Marv 100% doesn't random his setups. I'm very certain of that. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now that's WIFOM, i do not think BH "must be town because scumteam balance". I'm not saying BH can't be scum, I'm saying I don't think he's the supervet scum. He could very well be scum with one of BC/Mig/VE. | ||
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Stutters, where are you? I don't remember you being this inactive in previous games | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is probably town. If he was scum he would know there are no cops, framers & millers and would have given "lol there are no cops" answer most likely. I am just puzzled why he seems to be implying Grackaroni is scum because that's really bad assumption. I can't figure out why Mocsta would bus the "most likely to be lynched scum on D2" in the game when he has many other options. That's like really dumb and i don't think that was the strategy of the scumteam. It's so surreal i don't even know how anyone in this game could think so. I don't think that's a reliable method you used because I had just read the OP a bit before you asked it and my gut reaction would've been similar to Koshi's. The human mind responds irrationally to threatening situations, and I wouldn't find it hard to imagine him responding the same way as scum. I don't think Koshi actually thinks Grack is scum right now, just that a Grack scumteam would include you, unless I'm miscontruing his post. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah because you are town. Scum tend to be careful about their answers, especailly Koshi. I know this for a fact. Koshi doesn't strike me as a careful poster. Do you remember a scumgame of his where you felt this was the case? | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote: Hey hey hey. I am right here. Could you guys read page 4 of BC his filter and tell me that is scummy? imo it is pretty good. One thing that instantly strikes me is how he changes his read on Storr from scum to null. A possible motivation for that could be knowing that Mocsta's going to shoot him during the night phase, and this way he'll look slightly better. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis i will now explain this in detail. If Koshi was scum he would know i am town. He would also be aware there are no cops, framers or millers because his scumteam has no framers 100%. I ask him a weird question. He also knows me pretty well. He would therefore know there is something i am trying to achieve with my question. What is rayn after? What's he trying to accoplish with this? What the fuck do i need to answer. Therefore - as scum - he would most likely give an answer that can't go wrong with, which would be "lol rayn there are not cops in this game". Fair enough, I believe you. Tried digging into the thread but 850 post scum QT = nothx. I'll take your word for it. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote: Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred? Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town. I'm pretty sure since Mocsta's been setting himself up for that shot quite some time. If he didn't claim it'd look strange. That said, I do see a few things that give me a bit more of a town read on BC, such as his immense anger at SZ and how he starts analyzing Mocsta. His reply towards StorrZerg doesn't suggest that he knows that Storr will die soon. The bit where he still accuses Grack has me clueless though. I can't put a town or scum mindset on that action, just a wtf one. | ||
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On November 18 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote: gratz you guys have successfully made it nearly impossible for anyone but yourselves to read the whole game. well done. there's literally no way BC is going to have the time to catch up, and it's way harder to read someone who doesn't read. So please rayne koshi artanis everyone knows you are all town. Stfu and let other people talk please, and if you have something to say, CONSOLIDATE your thoughts. Okay, you can start as part of "other people". I'll sit back and enjoy my popcorn. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:38 LoneMeow wrote: Why is Coagulation even slightly town when he's done pretty much nothing at all the entire game? Because when he's scum he does literally nothing. | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also 2/3 of these people know the truth. They also know it outs scum if they out this in thread. Therefore 2/3 of them has to be scum and BH has to be one of them because he is 100% one of the liars. The problem is that you're operating from a presumption that these are all the masons there are in the game. What if there are more? | ||
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On November 19 2013 03:45 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn....you know that spiderman cancer meme? Yeah, that. Could you please confirm yourself as town instead of doing this? | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis, could you read my case on HF and tell me what do you think about it. Like really read. Because all the people misread the risen-accusation on D1 and i kinda did not give a shit to explain it better. I've re-evaluated HF a few times and I can't shake my town read on him. I went into it when Austin asked me about it. You can read that bit if you want. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [HF] + On November 18 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've given my thoughts on Holyflare before as per your request. To give you a bit more substance, I'll go into it a bit deeper. He started his mayoral election a little bit into Day 1 and got some flak for it from Pandain and Yamato, but it doesn't really phase him. After that, he opens up the offensive on Rayn which ended up producing pretty much the longest shitflinging this thread has seen. However, his initial reasons were sound and ones I shared. His comment of ignoring Risen sparked my interest as well, and he didn't tunnel him. The same post that accuses Rayn also includes a read on Hopeless. In the middle there's some trolly posts, which although seemingly insignificant indicate he's fooling around and enjoying himself. He's feeling comfortable and seems to be trying to figure the game out. Accuses Matt, and later continues on Rayn. This post in particular I actually find telling for his alignment. Scum knows that the people they're accusing are actually town, but HF sees an opportunity to bring up his suspect and wants to claim credit for it. He's happy to have it scrutinized. He wants to talk about his case. As the game goes on, his read on Rayn changes around the same time mine does. As scum, emulating a town mindset is one of the toughest things there is. The fact that his thoughts regarding Rayn emulated mine so strongly makes it difficult for me to think he's scum. His comments started all focussing around defending himself from Rayn, in contrast to his earlier game where he participated in a lot of discussions. He feels attacked and it's stifling his game. He's not comfortable under the pressure, which is one thing that has me worried. You could explain it as feeling forced to defend yourself, or it's scum that feels cornered. On its own, I would consider it a mildly scummy thing to go into defensive mode, but considering the rest of the factors I feel town on HF. I'd feel much better once he starts giving original thoughts on other players, though. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mig: I think hopeless wanted to say scum instead of town. ^^ Artanis: Holyflare is really contributive and can appear as town as scum too. He did really good job in Hogwarts as looking like town before he made a bad claim and syllogism caught him for it. Even then he survived for some phases because his posting was really good. He is a good scumplayer i think and "tone" and "i think he would not say this as scum" reasons do not make him town. I do not see anything that explicitly makes him scum though. I've read your original case and I don't think it's strong enough when looking at the overall picture. His read on you and Mocsta mirrored mine too much for me to consider him anything than a town read right now. If he's scum, there's plenty of days worth of material still to come. | ||
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1) If HF is as good as you say he is, I doubt intentionally misrepresenting your case after you've clarified it is something a scum HF would do. It seems more like the arguing of a frustrated HF trying to explain what went down and missing some of the details, which I'd consider more town than scum. I don't think he intentionally messed this up regardless of his alignment. 2) I was planning on making a big campaign too, but he realized it was pointless when some veterans started throwing their weight around. He got engaged in the thread. He tried to convince people you were scum, and has attacked BC, Mattchew, Hopeless, and Grack in his filter. Perhaps he hasn't pushed them as strongly as you would've liked, but there are plenty of people who haven't tried convincing others. 3) My read changed at similar times as his did. I had the same reasons, but they dissipated as I saw the change in your quality of posting. In fact, how he changed his read on you makes me feel more townie on him than before. | ||
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On November 19 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: My point on (1) is Holyflare is twisting my words and banking on other people not understanding what he is doing. This does not correspond with considering him a good player, or you presume that he doesn't think you're a good player. It seems suicidal for scum to do something like this. | ||
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The Cobbler Mattchew Hopeless1der And here's my list of people I would like to see vigged: Mr. Cheesecake Stutters695 I'm presuming BH will receive the noose today so I'd rather not spend any more energy on that. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:10 supersoft wrote: I am going to report you. You asked me this TWICE now. TWICE! in only a few minutes. I haven't read any filters yet. I have a life and I don't spend 24 hours in this thread posting oneliners. Your filter is unreadable. Your filter has the length of an average newbiegame. I read my filters yesterday evening for about 2 hours of my valuable time. I came up with mocsta as my final lynchtarget and in the night i read through filters and found Oatsmaster, who i am highly suspicious of. I am creating more useful stuff than anyone else here. I am organising the game. Look what I did at the end of d1. Everyone was analysing and we had a PERFECT town atmosphere. Now look what you did to the thread! It's a MESS! Think about that! please! I am going to read through BH and others. But not when you expect me to. I was the one that actually made the case on Mocsta, don't go taking credit for that. | ||
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On November 19 2013 05:26 supersoft wrote: I didnt read your shit. And you weren't even close to get elected and kill him. So I keep my credit okay? Then you're shit for not reading the thread, and you didn't kill him either unless you were the vigilante which you aren't since you asked who it was so you don't get shit either. Now get the fuck out until you have something useful to say so the people that actually read the game can play. | ||
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On November 19 2013 20:03 Koshi wrote: I was totes referring to that as well. Imagine rayn was right on D1 and even I ignored him. I will have to perform sudoku. Ah okay, I thought you were being silly for a moment. I don't want to reconsider HF, that'd require effort. Please report in | ||
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On November 19 2013 21:44 Holyflare wrote: Happy? Yes. However, from your list I would rather lynch the Cobbler. | ||
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Presuming both are scum, what would be a bigger loss to a scumteam. Oats or BC? No offense to Oats, but BC has far more potential to influence the thread and to organize scum and come up with a decent plan. If you're equally certain, the Cobbler is the one to push. | ||
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On November 19 2013 22:06 Holyflare wrote: What about the time of masoning? Do you think that is potentially relevant? I think the earlier Mason claims are the most reliable ones since scum had no idea how many masons were out there, and I expect them to have been worried about getting into a situation wherein town starts lynching into masons because of it. I'd be more wary of later mason claims. | ||
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As for your thing about Day 2 QT's, that actually makes sense and I agree with it as long as it's like within 1 minute of the daypost going up. Otherwise I wouldn't put too much value into it. | ||
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On November 20 2013 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: A question for everyone: Does Holyflare's posts in D1 suggest he was doing this? I'd say so, though you were more at the forefront than Mocsta was. | ||
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On November 20 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why are Mattchew and Hopeless not any more his scumreads? He had strong meta-reasons (which he never explains) to think they were scum, suddenly he has three completely different scumreads. Why? Because Blazinghand is going to get lynched and scum can give out any scumreads they want. He doesn't seem to be thinking BH is scum, because he voted for Oats, and then for BC. He does not try to convince people into lynching in who he thinks is scum. "Blazinghand can die but i don't actually think he is scum so i put my vote on somewhere and i don't even care on which one of those three people". Of course he doesn't fucking care because they are not gonna get lynched. He's not doing anything to lynch scum, again. I presume you believe BH to not be scum then? If BH is and HF is too, he'd want to actually put in effort to steer away the conversation from him. If HF is but BH isn't, then why would he even bother trying to sway the lynch when he can just do nothing and watch as town lynches a nonscum? | ||
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On November 20 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: BH's alignment has nothing to do with this. Anyone who comes in thread now and says "lol just lynch BH kthxbye" should be looked into N2 and later on because if BH is scum everyone voting for him now is not a reason to not play and find other scum. Holyflare seems to be believing BH is town, at least that's what i get from his posts. Is he trying to save BH? Why not, if he thinks he is town? Like if you compare his behavior to thrawn's there is a significant difference. HF just drops his vote on Oats, when asked (why Oats over BC) he says "lol i can vote for BC too" and switches his vote. Does this look like he gives a shit about anything? And because he does not clearly give shit about anything (he knows BH gets lynched no matter what - and does not even try to push any other lynch while thinking BH is not scum) he can give out any reads he wants. If i was scum and knew player X would never get lynched by my effort i could make 1000 cases on X if they were just not good enough to get X lynched. That's what i see HF doing, he is not trying to get anyone lynched. It's just what he did in Hogwarts, bussed to some extent so he was "right" but never really voiced his opinion so that it mattered. I'm not getting from HF's posts that he thinks BH is town, plus he only cased him a few hours ago and the thread's been awfully dead since. Give him some time to try and convince others, no one's challenged him on it yet before he left. I really get the feeling you're tunneling too hard on HF, rayn. | ||
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On November 20 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is the cases do not make sense. He has apparently dropped his top 3 scumreads (me/Mattchew/Hopeless) and has three new top 3 scumreads. Why? Where is the thought process on those? I see none from his mason chat, i see none from his thread posts. He just "read some filters". I haven't seen any open thought process evolutions from quite a few players, that doesn't mean they don't happen. On November 20 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: The case on Oats is mainly from D1. Why was Oats not his top scumread on D1? Possibly the "filter reading" that you just described earlier. SS's case might've triggered him into reading up on him. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote: Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum Standard scum tactic: Put one scum and one town in the same sentence to make them look townier. Standard scum tactic: Distance yourself from the faulty read of your scumbuddy Standard scum tactic: Give an excuse for why your scumbuddy is wrong that doesn't involve calling him scum Furthermore, Mattchew was masoned with Storr in Hogwarts and should therefore be familiar with his play. He's been utterly useless this game and I'd like to see him hang if we can't come to a consensus on BC. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:11 Grackaroni wrote: Someone who has played with thrawn tell me about him. I remember one game with Thrawn where he was up in my bitch all game after Prome convinced me to hammer Vivax when I had Vivax as town read. After he antagonized me enough he changed his read on me eventually. I don't feel like he's someone that tunnels as town. He can listen to people and change his read. The fact that he still thinks you're scum worries me for this reason. May have to check up on him. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:22 VayneAuthority wrote: why would we lynch some one who isn't even voting, he's gonna get modkilled. wait until he posts something to consider anything like thta Oh right he could get modkilled, fair point. CANCEL SHENANIGANS | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:58 Koshi wrote: Grack are you afraid BH isn't going to flip scum or something? Aren't you? Don't get me wrong I like a BH flip but I'd rather see Matt/BC flip. Maybe Pandain too, haven't really read up on him. | ||
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On November 20 2013 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look Artanis. Look at the mason log. This is how it goes: "what do you think about this?" "bla bla bla" "okay" "what do you think about this?" "bla bla bla" "okay" ...repeat.. They are not trying to find out anything about each other. It's just a Q&A and no answers are questioned, never. Now this is perfectly fine if they are really strong townreads for each other but apparently this is not true because Holyflare says the opposite (which btw does not show anywhere). That log is most likely bullshit. Maybe, I dunno. I just find it too unlikely that they managed to forge this all together. I really don't see that being the case, coupled with my already existing HF town read. | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really weird post because if i was supersoft i would have posted this instead: "VE lynch Mocsta i think he is scum and the best lynch! [add some reasons from his filter here quickly because ss said he read it]" if ss read Mocsta's filter he would've read my case on him, which he claimed he didn't. He just likes talking out of his ass. | ||
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On November 20 2013 05:55 Mattchew wrote: phone posting. I think i need to vote Please don't. | ||
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On November 20 2013 06:30 Koshi wrote: The good thing is that rayn only does this as town. So we can just sheep him because he is most of the time pretty spot on. Like with Mocsta? | ||
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Almost two years ago, dunno how reliable that's gonna be but here we go. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Was liar game. Just checked the database. Ah fair enough. | ||
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On November 20 2013 08:42 Pandain wrote: Why are we good kills. More then a paragraph please Don't ask for too much, I'd be happy with more than one sentence. | ||
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On November 20 2013 07:04 Pandain wrote: Also there are mafia doctors so viging doesn't work ?_? How do you know this? | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:04 Pandain wrote: Risen if you would bother to look into my scum games you would see that I always bus my teammates and like never give them town reads. Artanis, look at the OP. There are mafia doctors. Them being a possibility somehow means they're guaranteed to be in the setup? | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i think thrawn is pretty much the towniest town in the town. Hey now | ||
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On November 20 2013 14:08 thrawn2112 wrote: you there? give me your two candidates for the double lynch Ooh ooh can I play this game too? I would like to lynch Mattchew as one of the lynches at least. I doubt there'll be much resistance to that. Secondly, I would like to lynch the Cobbler. I refuse to believe he plays this poorly as town. | ||
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On November 20 2013 20:26 OOHCHILD wrote: artanis stop sheeping me stop being right then | ||
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On November 20 2013 21:09 OOHCHILD wrote: also Artanis shot mocsta didn't he... ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/8febe8222e7f7a95b3c2114715a5a1d2/tumblr_inline_mk4qouhJQ71qz4rgp.png) | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Umm.. not that i remember? Could you point out what makes you think so so i can explain what i mean in case you think i have implied so. On my phone so filter diving is hard, but I mean the thing where you asked I think Koshi about the hypothetical parity cop check. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote: hey mig I was wonderin' why you randomly locked your notes, any particular reason Oh oops I accidentally requested access to the notes because I thought it meant I wasn't logged in properly. MY BAD | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:02 Holyflare wrote: by the way kush, I shot mocsta not artanis <3 ![[image loading]](http://aviatalker.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/wut-babka.jpg) | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why would you tell that now and not on the resolution period? Infinite reasons that you'll see at the resolution period. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:22 Holyflare wrote: all will be explained in due time, in due time. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:48 austinmcc wrote: Off the top of my head, yes. Gonna give him a quick reread. Also, is this the point where I'm supposed to go "if I'm still alive"? Given the suspicions on you I'd highly doubt you get shot tonight. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:51 Mig wrote: Rayn can you explain why that lie makes LM mafia? I'm curious about this as well. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:56 austinmcc wrote: Sure, but I thought rayn might be trying to be tricksy. Actually, you are getting shot tonight, by me, and here's why. Given it's been pretty obvious that I was vig by pretty much everyone in the thread despite attempts to make it look less obvious (was masoned with HF so we tried some tricks), I'm pretty sure scum could figure me out. Announcing I was shooting BC means that scum really can't take the risk to not block me if BC is scum. They just can't even if they suspect I'm lying, so the shot would only go through if he's town. If he is in fact town, you look pretty bad. That said, I doubt my shot will go through. Scum will probably have expected me to lie about my target. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i have a total of 2 bombs on supersoft so supersoft you better come up with reads before night ends if you are town. If you don't you either die or we lynch you tomorrow in case you didn't shoot me. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:05 OOHCHILD wrote: grack needs to explain why he lied. why is that not happening..does not compute. also this hf vs artanis thing about who shot mocsta... wtf. why are scum/town all of a sudden blatantly lying We were trying to create a smokescreen for who the actual vig was to mess with rbs. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:10 Mig wrote: Why shoot austin artanis? Because I think he's scum if BC isn't, and I think the only chance the shot would go through has is if BC is town. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:11 austinmcc wrote: You're either gonna be disappoint or feel bad. I'm a vet. First letters of the sentences in this post was all I did, thought about doing like 10 or 15 posts with the letters, but that was too much. Also my secret code with Holyflare was that I'd use CAT in any srs attack case. You take cats to the vet. Why would you claim that when there's a great chance my shot will get RBed? Now, presuming you're town, you won't get singlestacked ever. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:17 Mig wrote: If mattchew isnt scum then this night is going to be a real nightmare. Artanis in the future you really should be more careful when you are a VIG. If you have 2 shots maybe don't yell BAM right after you kill a scum? Then you wouldn't have had to pull this smoke screen and fuck me out of shooting BC. Yeah, sorry. I was a bit excited after people kept calling Mocsta town and he flipped scum after I feared he wouldn't with his resolution post thingy. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:18 austinmcc wrote: Because maybe HF is really the vigi (super unlikely). Because there are multiple ways your shot could fail, and one of them makes people still think I'm scum. And because the downside, me getting doublestacked at some point, is FINE. I'm happy to soak two bullets. I'm happy to go to lategame alive. Either way, it's good for town imo. Do explain. As for the latter, the point is that scum don't know if you got healed or if you were just a vet that needs another shot. Now, if they've roleblocked me, they know that shooting you once will do zip. You've given them information that will help optimize their night kills. From what I'm hearing, it feels more like you've planned this claim out as a scum than as a townie, and your faction has rbed me. | ||
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Solid breadcrumb. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i don't think austin was on anyone's top "to be vigged" list, so if Artanis doesn't get roleblocked and austin lives i think we can assume he is town. You won't know if I got roleblocked if I get shot too, and I think there's a good chance that might happen. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:24 austinmcc wrote: In the same way that there's almost no chance scum shot me tonight, there's almost no chance a town doc healed me tonight. I find that incredibly unlikely. The ways your shot fails --> rb, town doc, scum doc, me being a vet, you lying about being a vigi (doesn't really count). Granted, also super unlikely I get scum doc-ed tonight. If you are/were scum this game, you'd really go "Hmmmm, maybe austinmcc is town and artanis really shot him and a town doc healed austin over someone else"? Yes, but if I get roleblocked then scum would have had no information about you being a vet or not and would be free to waste a single shot on you. Plus, you might become more townie over time and thus attract the attention of a doc later in the game where this might actually help. I like the mattchew shot. | ||
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Rayn guaranteed town, HF super likely town, Mig super likely town too. I still find it hard to imagine SS being scum with the Mocsta thing earlier on, but I'd be very happy to be wrong. Lynch list for tomorrow is BC and LoneMeow, maybe Pandain instead. Just make sure to lynch the Cobbler. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I hope a doctor (if alive) is bright enough to doc you.. With so many claimed blues I doubt we have any docs left. | ||
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Also since we have so many blues it's safe to say scum has quite some special powers too. Definitely at least a RBer, maybe two, and I expect a rolecop to make them more useful. Obv some masons but those aren't as important right now. PS lynch the cobbler, esp if my shot doesn't go through because then he def scum yo. Rayn Mig HF Vayne SuperSoft Oats Kush Grackaroni Koshi Onegu Coagulation Mr.Cheesecake Mattchew (because of post-resolution posts) Hopeless1der Mattchew Alakaslam Austinmcc Risen Thrawn Pandain LoneMeow Bloodyc0bbler | ||
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Also I just realized I put Matt in there twice, lel. He should be in townie. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:53 austinmcc wrote: Artanis, why so sure on vayne? Because he gives me dem townie vibes. May have been affected by other people's reads though, but he just seems to not give a fuck about how he looks in thread. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:56 supersoft wrote: Noooo I took care of Mattchew ARGH :D this cant be true Wait are you saying you vig shot Mattchew after casing Oats all day? | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote: I predict, BC is town, Mattchew is scum, Oats is 100% scum. I know where the missing MafiaKP went. I predict that you're wrong. | ||
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On December 08 2013 13:28 Grackaroni wrote: You guys realize that entire Rayn lynch was townies? No scum wanted to risk touching that with a 10 foot pole. I think this is the turning point where town lost the game. | ||
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Also, some of the things you said in the QT made me think that you had to be of an alignment and it being clear as day but me being dumb, like how you doubted my alignment when I said that I'd probably get RBed for presuming there's a RBer in play. I chose the wrong side, unfortunately. I'm pretty happy with the game though and how I shot Mocsta and had a strong scumread on BC. Just need to get more vocal on my reads, though I also feel that how much your reads get respected is dependent on your status as veteran as well for a lot of players. I'm not going to put all the blame in that, but it's definitely a factor. Hope people will listen to me more in future games ^_^ | ||
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