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On November 16 2013 18:32 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 18:25 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 18:22 Skanjab1s wrote:On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates? He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think. But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable? His current choices are also acceptable to me. And the fact that I agreed with his earlier choices makes me more certain that he's not scum - my #1 priority is getting a town player voted as mayor, getting a good lynch is secondary to that. Why should my inactivity make me not want to lynch another inactive? It is true that there's generally scum along the lurkers, and I know I'm not scum, so lynching another lurker seems like a reasonably good proposition to me. But lynching them just because they are a lurker is rather hypocritical, don't you think? Why do you agree with someone's choices when the reasoning for lynching their candidates is exactly the same for lynching you? If you are scum, then I can see how you would think this is acceptable (ie: "The reasons that I am scum are the same for them, therefore I can support this"), but as town it makes less sense (ie: "The same reasons apply to me as town, therefore they are scum").
Why should I think everyone who plays like me is of the same alignment? Like I said, in my experience there's scum among the lurkers, so a lurker lynch on D1 is a reasonably good choice. Irregardless of whether I fit the criteria myself.
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On November 16 2013 16:34 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 09:52 Alakaslam wrote:On November 16 2013 09:05 Blazinghand wrote:On November 16 2013 09:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 16 2013 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
PS I am now beginning to read the thread, but will also be checking here at the end of the thread if anyone has questions or concerns you really should have read the thread before tossing out that campaign post. Just saying Given that my campaign is RNG, unless someone has somehow died between the day start and now, I don't see how it's necessary for me to have read the thread. If it turns out i come up with some amazing scumread i'll just change the platform Redeemed. You will. You are so vulnerable to Svengali by hugging this man's nuts constantly.
 Blazinghand
All must recognize his greatness
Seriously though. I actually haven't stated anything about my thoughts on his alignment, only my expectations of him.
So far, so meh. I am trying to keep up but when my workday is split in two four hour shifts separated by six hours I get confusticated.
Trying to be coherent at 1:40 am is tough! I may just stop trying, and get some sleep. But I fear I will fall behind further...
Be succinct plz and thanks for being succinct those who have been. If it takes a lot to say what needs to be said say it, don't get me wrong.
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On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it? + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.
On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.
LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.
Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.
Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?
Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?
I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.
Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.
Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.
Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.
Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.
Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.
Probably a length issue, I appreciate the spoiler. I will come back to this
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It's not a list post, or is not intended to be. I hadn't been present, I wanted to say the things that I had not been present to say at the time. That people would dismiss my only contribution based on a rule of thumb seems stupid, though I appreciate the quick and honest answer.
I looked at Sharrant's filter and confirmed that I saw absolutely nothing worth talking about. They've been unimpressive, but so have many people. This essentially confirms my suspicions of the accusers, though I cannot remember who they were and am not familiar enough with this site to efficiently find the posts which I refer to. I'm yet to read through again.
Does anyone know off the top of their head an easy way to locate who was quoting him, or know was quoting him? Sherrant if you're here I assume you have an intimate knowledge of your accusers?
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On November 16 2013 18:39 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 18:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On November 16 2013 18:25 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 18:22 Skanjab1s wrote:On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates? He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think. But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable? His current choices are also acceptable to me. And the fact that I agreed with his earlier choices makes me more certain that he's not scum - my #1 priority is getting a town player voted as mayor, getting a good lynch is secondary to that. Why should my inactivity make me not want to lynch another inactive? It is true that there's generally scum along the lurkers, and I know I'm not scum, so lynching another lurker seems like a reasonably good proposition to me. But lynching them just because they are a lurker is rather hypocritical, don't you think? Why do you agree with someone's choices when the reasoning for lynching their candidates is exactly the same for lynching you? If you are scum, then I can see how you would think this is acceptable (ie: "The reasons that I am scum are the same for them, therefore I can support this"), but as town it makes less sense (ie: "The same reasons apply to me as town, therefore they are scum"). Why should I think everyone who plays like me is of the same alignment? Like I said, in my experience there's scum among the lurkers, so a lurker lynch on D1 is a reasonably good choice. Irregardless of whether I fit the criteria myself.
I did not say you should think that everyone who plays like you is the same alignment. However, I do think that it is scum mentality to want to lynch them ONLY for playing like you do.
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On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it? + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.
On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.
LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.
Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.
Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?
Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?
I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.
Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.
Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.
Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.
Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.
Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.
Ayo,
(1) What do you mean by "confirming yamato town"?
(2) Why do you find the LM mason incident unsuspicious, and why would finding it suspicious make a person scum?
(3) You said "Artanis and SS", but did not mention Artanis. What are your thoughts on him, if you forgot to put them in?
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haven't caught up yet, but i plan to.
i just want to say don't kill TWEAK, aka SKANJAB. I have a strong town read on him and I know his meta very well.
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Thank you kush, I love you very dearly.
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Thankyou SLam and Skan for listening.
On November 16 2013 18:46 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it? + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.
On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.
LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.
Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.
Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?
Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?
I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.
Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.
Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.
Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.
Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.
Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town. Ayo, (1) What do you mean by "confirming yamato town"? (2) Why do you find the LM mason incident unsuspicious, and why would finding it suspicious make a person scum? (3) You said "Artanis and SS", but did not mention Artanis. What are your thoughts on him, if you forgot to put them in?
(1) - This is my first big game, I'm finding it difficult to get a handle. It is valuable to confirm town so that I have a platform on which to grasp the rest of the game. There is no hard confirmation that Yamato is town, but I'm comfortable betting the fate of town that he is, and will thus use this as an operationalised foundation for my understanding to follow. I do not want Yamato as mayor or pardner, I do not agree with his views of BC, not his views that the pardner role benefits town. I do not trust him to use wither role well.
(2) - It's an incident, but I don't see much reason for it to indicate scumminess. There may be some mechanic or rule I am unaware of, but nobody made any good case for this indicating scum-hood. I don't think that this makes Meow town, but those that were pushing for it making him scum were sewing misdirection either intentionally or unintentionally (unless I am wrong to conclude that it's non-alignment indicative, in which case someone should step forward and straighten me out).
(3) - Artanis was the one that initiated this line of thought by putting up a hard stance against SS's shock tactics. I was commenting on their disagreement, and thought it worth putting their name in so as not to misconstrue the origin of the thought, since I essentially agree entirely with Artanis and empathise heavily. Artanis gives me a slight town read, but has not contributed heavily enough for me to have any real degree of certainty (#kettleblack). Their attack on SS for reasons other than them being scum could be considered an attempt at deliberately convoluting the thread, except it was teased out of them from an off-hand remark, and they ceased as soon as they could without leaving questions unanswered.
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Mocsta & VE
What are your current plans for mayor? Who are you intending to lynch if you gain the position?
Yamato77
Would you be willing to reconsider your BC platform in favour of Grack? If not, could you please consolidate your case on BC so that we can easily assess its merit? At this moment in time I am uncomfortable with your choice of lynch, but am comfortable with you as town.
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NVM Mocsta, it looks like it's down to VE vs Yam. I didn't realise the vote thread had two pages.
Ima go trawl VE's filter.
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speghetti still have to catch up but can briefly explain why bc isn't in the running?
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On November 16 2013 19:08 Spaghetticus wrote:Thankyou SLam and Skan for listening. Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 18:46 Skanjab1s wrote:On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it? + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.
On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.
LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.
Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.
Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?
Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?
I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.
Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.
Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.
Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.
Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.
Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town. Ayo, (1) What do you mean by "confirming yamato town"? (2) Why do you find the LM mason incident unsuspicious, and why would finding it suspicious make a person scum? (3) You said "Artanis and SS", but did not mention Artanis. What are your thoughts on him, if you forgot to put them in? (1) - This is my first big game, I'm finding it difficult to get a handle. It is valuable to confirm town so that I have a platform on which to grasp the rest of the game. There is no hard confirmation that Yamato is town, but I'm comfortable betting the fate of town that he is, and will thus use this as an operationalised foundation for my understanding to follow. I do not want Yamato as mayor or pardner, I do not agree with his views of BC, not his views that the pardner role benefits town. I do not trust him to use wither role well.
Wouldn't it be more important to choose a town player as the mayor over someone who might or might not be town but has good-looking lynch targets? If you're so sure yamato is town why wouldn't you want him as the mayor or pardoner over someone you're less sure of?
On November 16 2013 19:08 Spaghetticus wrote:
(2) - It's an incident, but I don't see much reason for it to indicate scumminess. There may be some mechanic or rule I am unaware of, but nobody made any good case for this indicating scum-hood. I don't think that this makes Meow town, but those that were pushing for it making him scum were sewing misdirection either intentionally or unintentionally (unless I am wrong to conclude that it's non-alignment indicative, in which case someone should step forward and straighten me out).
You only considered one side of the incident, what do you think it makes of yamato?
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I went to the mall and watched enders game, I am reading now while my wife shops for clothes. Also if you want to know the reason skanjabs is scum, its because I rolled town this game.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
its because the theatrical release
1) ruined the MD Device
2) ruined petra
3) ruined command school
3 again) ruined ender randomly murdering people
4) ruined everything
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For me or in general? And out of the running for scum, or out of the running for mayor?
BC is the only proclaimed vet that has demonstrated real aptitude to me. This makes me not want to lynch him, but not want him to be mayor. As previously mentioned, this is my first big game, and my first game playing with vets. I don't trust myself to catch him if he's scum, but think him also one of the most dangerous players, and thus a possible NK if town (as well as... you know, being valuable for town in general).
Essentially, I want to wait and see, as most people's stances seem heavily influenced by his meta, to which I do not have access. If he is scum we will have enough data to catch him in the end, and if he is town, it's all upside. Any position that makes him either in danger of a lynch, or gives him power, is risky.
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I went to the mall and watched enders game, I am reading now while my wife shops for clothes. Also if you want to know the reason skanjabs is scum, its because I rolled town this game.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch?
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bh i understand it perfectly
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Like it would be one thing if you thought he was scum but it doesn't seem you do
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