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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 16 2013 07:43 GMT
#1441
On November 16 2013 16:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
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On November 16 2013 07:28 Risen wrote:
On November 16 2013 02:05 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 02:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 16 2013 02:01 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 01:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 16 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
BC would you like to be mayor?

Also what do you think of Skan?

Skan atm is a null read for me but he has said some really dumbass shit. Its not alignment indicative but if he keeps it up he will shift from null to red.

He is leaning scum on two of my strongest town reads currently for no real reason on either.


You should find better townreads then.


or you should be less bad? See how this game is played. How about you give me some real scum reads now rather than terrible ones.


Says the guy who took a whole page to say that Grack likes to troll.

Why are you defending Grack so hard? You have a point? Do you know Grack is town and want that juicy town cred?


Not defending Grack, I was saying that BC's case on Grack is terrible fluff.
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On November 16 2013 07:27 Risen wrote:
On November 16 2013 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 16 2013 01:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 16 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 16 2013 01:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Rayn. Only question I have for you on Risen. He has actively said he thinks your scum and should die. Why are you intent on leaving him alone day 1 (as well as defending him I might add) when he actively wants you dead?

Because he wanting me dead does not make him scum.


Im not saying it makes him scum but why are you fine with leaving someone alone who doesn't want you to live? I find your reaction to it strange.

Risen can't possibly get me lynched when i am town and me arguing with him about it does nothing good because i am fairly sure we can't come to an agreement. So it's better for everyone if i let him do his own stuff, if he's town he will probably realize i am town at some point, if he is scum i don't know but we'll see about that later.

Good post.
On November 16 2013 01:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I support BC, our fearless leader.

I'm leaning this way at this point as well. BC's post here
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On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go.

Grackeroni

This guy is clearly red. Nothing he has done in the span of the game so far is in anyway shape or form actions of town. One of his opening posts is this

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On November 15 2013 08:18 Grackaroni wrote:
There is only one party and that party is Kush. Come and recognize it's master.
##Vote: Kushm4sta
All who oppose him shall be branded an enemy of the state.


Kush is one of the single most disruptive players I have ever played with. He trolls and is generally unhelpful and annoying. Anyone advocating a waste of skin player to be elected is not doing it for any purposes other than his own sadistic pleasure and general fuck you stance to everyone hes playing with. No town should be doing this period.

After that post he follows it up with retarded back and forth comments with pandain calling the two of them mafia (himself and pandain). He then calls out someone for calling them mafia and says he should have kush kill them. Nothing really important and all trolling. All incredibly annoying.

He then proceedes to say that he will only tell us if he finds mafia, and will 100% accept whatever decision pandain says unless he otherwise says. Hes not being helpful hes directly passing off all responsibility of his "reads" to another player. Town has no bloody reason to do this.

He ignores all reads for ages accept for storr in which he tries to elegantly duck out from at first then all in defends the guy on terrrrible reasons. RNG is never good, Storr isn't a newb.

He then continues to troll and spout useless "non alignment indicative" drival which is imo a huge tell about him. He has been incredibly active compared to most players and said exactly nothing of substantial quality nor is he even attempting to do so or promising to do so. He has shown that he doesn't fucking care about town and thus should be removed by fire.

Lets move on to the next one shall we

Storrzerg
The guy has pulled out RNG as a reason to lynch people and has continuously in most of his posts pulled the newb card. I know for a fact he played with me years ago and may be rusty but is in no shape or form new. I also know he plays mafia elsewhere. The fact he pulls a card he should be fully aware at least some of us know is a lie raises insane red flags for me. Anyone who actively lies about something to manipulate an election to his own advantage cannot be town.


I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more.

VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.
Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time.


is fantastic. I want to him to stick around and continue with stuff like this.
##vote: Bloodyc0bbler


What exactly do you find fantastic about this post?

Already responded to that question. It's in my filter somewhere. Find it.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 07:44 GMT
#1442
On November 16 2013 16:39 Pandain wrote:
Skan what are your recent scum games and town games


I've played no scum games on this site.

My other two town games were Hogwarts mafia, and then Newbie mini mafia XLII.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 16 2013 07:46 GMT
#1443
On November 16 2013 14:26 Mig wrote:
I am going to bed. I would probably vote VE right now if I had to but it would be nice if there was any other reasonable candidate to actually decide on.

Here are my notes so far if anyone wants them.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing


are you afraid of smth.?
do you always just post your notes? did you do this before?
i am on my phone right niw because i am not at home. but this looks odd
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12987 Posts
November 16 2013 07:50 GMT
#1444
Skan do you think I should mason you.
I think it would be interesting to get to know you better
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 07:51 GMT
#1445
On November 16 2013 16:50 Pandain wrote:
Skan do you think I should mason you.
I think it would be interesting to get to know you better


Yes, this is a fantastic idea and it would be most welcome.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12987 Posts
November 16 2013 07:55 GMT
#1446
On November 16 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
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On November 16 2013 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:02 Risen wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:01 yamato77 wrote:
On November 16 2013 12:59 Mig wrote:
If LM eats a bullet now yamato takes some blame. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to just not mention it at all and then shoot LM? It helps mafia none to reveal that LM is mason. It is just a dumb thing for a townie to do.

LM eating a bullet is a win for town, it keeps other players alive. Masoning is mildly useful but not that necessary to winning the game.

Huh? No. Lol. Are you trying to play the "too stupid to be scum" card? It would work if I wasn't in this game, but I am... And it won't.

Are you seriously telling me you think a lurker mason is more useful than a veteran townie?


are you seriously trying to like backtrack how bad it is to just out a mason

it's not even that bad.

mafia shoot him, which is actually a good thing considering his otherwise lurky nature, or he lives and masons people and mafia can't do anything else about it

I did think about this, and it is not a big deal at all.


Honestly this is pretty weak Yamato. Even if it's not a bad thing and unlikely to change things, it provides scum with more information that they could use and town with less information that they could use. Scum could easily think he's blue and try to snipe him.

In late-game scenarios it may help them narrow down possible roles.

I think you must have just made a piss poor play as while it was interesting to note, it wasn't the right decision to out him at that time.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12987 Posts
November 16 2013 07:58 GMT
#1447
Do you have any more scum-reads Skan? More town thoughts? What do you think about BC, Yam. Who do you want for mayor.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 16 2013 08:24 GMT
#1448
nobody's lynching me today lol
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 08:32 GMT
#1449
On November 16 2013 16:28 Pandain wrote:
Going to vote for Yamato because I don't have faith in VE if he thinks Skanjabs is scum. Also he might lynch me so there's that.

I think Yamato is going to end up lynching my scum reads and agree with me, we tend to agree on the same things actually.


Why isn't Skanjab1s scum?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 08:47 GMT
#1450
I feel compatible with VE being the mayor.

##Vote: VisceraEyes
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:00 GMT
#1451
On November 16 2013 16:58 Pandain wrote:
Do you have any more scum-reads Skan? More town thoughts? What do you think about BC, Yam. Who do you want for mayor.


I think BC is town. When we were arguing about his one post, and the conversation was getting into random shit-flinging territory, he quickly tried to steer it away from this and back onto a more useful discussion. It showed a desire to avoid non-helpful squabbles and to instead foster a good town atmosphere. 9.5/10 wudreadastownagain.

I think yam is town too, mostly based on him thinking that his early play was super pro-town, which is what I sometimes (incorrectly) think when I want to be a good, leadershipy townie. Its the "how could anyone ever think I'm scum" mentality that scum don't usually have (and a mentality I doubt that he would have, considering that he is supposedly pretty bad as scum).

I'm still not entirely sure who I would like for mayor. I'm against VE as mayor for obvious reasons, also he has a history of having a raging erection for eliminating me from games, and I am not sure if this has been abated yet.

As for scum-reads, I have a few suspicions that will become apparently, but I am going to hold out on these for the time being. I would, however, very much like to discuss these with you in a mason qt, I think you would find the conversation to be quite entertaining and informative, yo.

On November 16 2013 17:32 LoneMeow wrote:
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On November 16 2013 16:28 Pandain wrote:
Going to vote for Yamato because I don't have faith in VE if he thinks Skanjabs is scum. Also he might lynch me so there's that.

I think Yamato is going to end up lynching my scum reads and agree with me, we tend to agree on the same things actually.


Why isn't Skanjab1s scum?


Why am I scum LoneMeow, for is it not on the bearer of suspicion to claim the reasoning behind it?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 09:05 GMT
#1452
On November 16 2013 18:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
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On November 16 2013 17:32 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 16:28 Pandain wrote:
Going to vote for Yamato because I don't have faith in VE if he thinks Skanjabs is scum. Also he might lynch me so there's that.

I think Yamato is going to end up lynching my scum reads and agree with me, we tend to agree on the same things actually.


Why isn't Skanjab1s scum?


Why am I scum LoneMeow, for is it not on the bearer of suspicion to claim the reasoning behind it?


I don't know if you are, there's not much in your filter to go by (pot calling the kettle, yeah). What I want to know, why is Pandain so certain you aren't.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:12 GMT
#1453
On November 16 2013 18:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 17:32 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 16:28 Pandain wrote:
Going to vote for Yamato because I don't have faith in VE if he thinks Skanjabs is scum. Also he might lynch me so there's that.

I think Yamato is going to end up lynching my scum reads and agree with me, we tend to agree on the same things actually.


Why isn't Skanjab1s scum?


Why am I scum LoneMeow, for is it not on the bearer of suspicion to claim the reasoning behind it?


I don't know if you are, there's not much in your filter to go by (pot calling the kettle, yeah). What I want to know, why is Pandain so certain you aren't.


I seeeeeee.

Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 09:14 GMT
#1454
On November 16 2013 18:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
I think yam is town too, mostly based on him thinking that his early play was super pro-town, which is what I sometimes (incorrectly) think when I want to be a good, leadershipy townie. Its the "how could anyone ever think I'm scum" mentality that scum don't usually have (and a mentality I doubt that he would have, considering that he is supposedly pretty bad as scum).


I thought yamato was town, but I'm less sure now, he hasn't really engaged with me in the mason QT and that bothers me.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 09:17 GMT
#1455
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:22 GMT
#1456
On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.


But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable?
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 09:24 GMT
#1457
If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 09:25 GMT
#1458
On November 16 2013 18:22 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.


But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable?


His current choices are also acceptable to me. And the fact that I agreed with his earlier choices makes me more certain that he's not scum - my #1 priority is getting a town player voted as mayor, getting a good lynch is secondary to that.

Why should my inactivity make me not want to lynch another inactive? It is true that there's generally scum along the lurkers, and I know I'm not scum, so lynching another lurker seems like a reasonably good proposition to me.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 16 2013 09:28 GMT
#1459
On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:
If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.


"Useless list post blah blah blah."

Actually, you promised to look into Sharrant in that. What was the result of that?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:32 GMT
#1460
On November 16 2013 18:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:22 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.


But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable?


His current choices are also acceptable to me. And the fact that I agreed with his earlier choices makes me more certain that he's not scum - my #1 priority is getting a town player voted as mayor, getting a good lynch is secondary to that.

Why should my inactivity make me not want to lynch another inactive? It is true that there's generally scum along the lurkers, and I know I'm not scum, so lynching another lurker seems like a reasonably good proposition to me.


But lynching them just because they are a lurker is rather hypocritical, don't you think? Why do you agree with someone's choices when the reasoning for lynching their candidates is exactly the same for lynching you?
If you are scum, then I can see how you would think this is acceptable (ie: "The reasons that I am scum are the same for them, therefore I can support this"), but as town it makes less sense (ie: "The same reasons apply to me as town, therefore they are scum").
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