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OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 16 2013 10:35 GMT
#1481
bh it kind of seems like you are being too thick. how could you not understand that beautiful explanation by speghetticus??
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 16 2013 10:38 GMT
#1482
kush you couldn't even dream of getting on a level that was even close to a level that could even compare to my level
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 10:39 GMT
#1483
That last post was at Kush btw. Sorry, should have quoted.

On November 16 2013 19:23 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 19:08 Spaghetticus wrote:
Thankyou SLam and Skan for listening.

On November 16 2013 18:46 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:
If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it?

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On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.


Ayo,
(1) What do you mean by "confirming yamato town"?
(2) Why do you find the LM mason incident unsuspicious, and why would finding it suspicious make a person scum?
(3) You said "Artanis and SS", but did not mention Artanis. What are your thoughts on him, if you forgot to put them in?


(1) - This is my first big game, I'm finding it difficult to get a handle. It is valuable to confirm town so that I have a platform on which to grasp the rest of the game. There is no hard confirmation that Yamato is town, but I'm comfortable betting the fate of town that he is, and will thus use this as an operationalised foundation for my understanding to follow. I do not want Yamato as mayor or pardner, I do not agree with his views of BC, not his views that the pardner role benefits town. I do not trust him to use wither role well.


Wouldn't it be more important to choose a town player as the mayor over someone who might or might not be town but has good-looking lynch targets? If you're so sure yamato is town why wouldn't you want him as the mayor or pardoner over someone you're less sure of?

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On November 16 2013 19:08 Spaghetticus wrote:
(2) - It's an incident, but I don't see much reason for it to indicate scumminess. There may be some mechanic or rule I am unaware of, but nobody made any good case for this indicating scum-hood. I don't think that this makes Meow town, but those that were pushing for it making him scum were sewing misdirection either intentionally or unintentionally (unless I am wrong to conclude that it's non-alignment indicative, in which case someone should step forward and straighten me out).


You only considered one side of the incident, what do you think it makes of yamato?


I am considering Yamato as mayor, but not with his current platform. If he will change his trajectory he will have my support over VE.

What do I think Meow's masoning of yamato makes him? Someone that Town Meow trusts, or scum meow want's to play.

What do I think of Yamato giving away that Meow masoned him? I'm not strong on the role mechanics and how their calling interplays with with green/red. I interpret as Yamato's dedication to being open, which has served him well in being confirmed town. It may have been a misplay as town, though probably only a minor one, but it is consistent with his other actions. I can't really think why a scum would want to bring attention to a day1 misplay that can be easily traced back to them, hence I feel it a null read, and go with the other evidence I have which paints him green. Am I missing something?
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 16 2013 10:39 GMT
#1484
Mig
StorrZerg
hiro protagonist
austinmcc
Risen
yamato77
Alakaslam
BlazingHand

i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 16 2013 10:40 GMT
#1485
On November 16 2013 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:
kush you couldn't even dream of getting on a level that was even close to a level that could even compare to my level

it's because I hold you in high regard that I am questioning that marginal nitpick.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 16 2013 10:40 GMT
#1486
Hey pandain, why is yamato outing LM bad but you outing yourself fine? Why the double standards?
BH, do you mind letting us know who you think is scum?
No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
November 16 2013 10:46 GMT
#1487
My platform is the totally random rng lynch on vayne

people talk about rng; nobody has the manlitude to do it

i do it
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 10:54 GMT
#1488
@BH
This is the first game I've played with elections. In my newbies, the closest thing to mayor was the most prolific poster who wielded the most influence. Am I wrong to think that the mayor wields great influence above and beyond specifically what his role entails? Doesn't he have a lower chance of being lynched considering that he both gets more votes, and has been voted in for being trusted with that power (at least by people who think as I have?).

@Kush
I understand his criticism, and think it reasonable, though have no clue whether it is contextually accurate (I assume people will pick him up on it if it is not).

Your list of scumtells should probably have some inkling of justification, we want more information on you, including your reasons for thinking the things you do. Your status as a wildcard pretty much ensures that people have null reads on you, but makes you susceptible to policy lynches. Essentially, the only people who can legitimately call you one way or another are the scum, so your promise to elaborate on your reads if people think you scummy is empty.

I would particularly like to know why you think Mig and Yamato scummy.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 16 2013 10:55 GMT
#1489
On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
Mig
StorrZerg
hiro protagonist
austinmcc
Risen
yamato77
Alakaslam
BlazingHand

i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though

I'd rather know why you think these guys are scum, particularly Mig, Austin and Yamato because I disagree with all three of those and if someone has scumspects I don't agree with and haven't been discussed at length yet I'd like to know why.
OOHCHILD
Profile Joined September 2013
United States570 Posts
November 16 2013 10:56 GMT
#1490
those are my reads not yet having caught up and i will update them
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 10:58 GMT
#1491
@BH
Could you please explain how an RNG lynch is to town's benefit at this point? It seems like it's got a 75% chance of lynching a town and producing no data. How does this compare to the baserate for D1 lynchings?

I expect someone advocating a statistical approach would know the benefits and have solid reasoning, otherwise it looks like your D1 actions are a do-nothing fake mayor attempt that you expect nobody to take seriously.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 16 2013 11:02 GMT
#1492
On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
Mig
StorrZerg
hiro protagonist
austinmcc
Risen
yamato77
Alakaslam
BlazingHand

i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though

On November 16 2013 19:56 OOHCHILD wrote:
those are my reads not yet having caught up and i will update them

Lol
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 11:03 GMT
#1493
On November 16 2013 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:
kush you couldn't even dream of getting on a level that was even close to a level that could even compare to my level


best post of the game
On November 16 2013 19:46 Blazinghand wrote:
My platform is the totally random rng lynch on vayne

people talk about rng; nobody has the manlitude to do it

i do it


RNG is poo, and you're a poopoohead for suggesting it.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 11:05 GMT
#1494
On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
Mig
StorrZerg
hiro protagonist
austinmcc
Risen
yamato77
Alakaslam
BlazingHand

i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though


Explain all of them please, that list is so vastly different to mine.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 11:07 GMT
#1495
@BH
I'm assuming that Skan's playful dismissal of RNG means that the common perception of RNG is that it is bad, which you'd know, being an old-timer.

If you don't have good reasons for RNG, I'm going to need evidence (or witnesses), of you having advocated RNG D1 in previous games, or I'm concluding you scum.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 16 2013 11:10 GMT
#1496
On November 16 2013 07:19 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 23:48 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im on page 31 had to play with my son in between reading. First impressions of things that have so far stuck out to me.


I miss the old alakaslam :/ he just like a regular player now... Maybe thats a good thing. The whole VE thing I dont have good grip on the situation but I think people are overblowing his thoughts. Supersoft is who I am more concerned with while reading. I have been paying attention to rayns posts and nothing is sticking out as scum to me, but that was the same day one in witchcraft, I then saw something day two and his responses are what made me jump on him that game. Yamato is looking fairly townie at the moment. I was ok ish with HF mayor post, seeing it was prewritten makes me feel nothing one way or the other. Still reading if I see anything else I will respond. Again I go by feel with my reads.

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On November 16 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote:
Oh and slam is town, unless while he was gone he was playing on another site. I dont see a scum slam comeing in here and being all legible and open like he is. Second I dont like grack and his defense of storrzerg. First storrzerg doesnt need it and the way grack is doing it saying he is just out of newbie games is giving off warning bells to me.

Huh?



Its the same thing...

Slam was a uber spammer who posted 30 youtube videos and random MS paints, or pics of his dinner. Then he requested a ban and this is his firat game back. And this game he came in with thought and reason and not just spam, because of this I gave him a town read.
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Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 11:11 GMT
#1497
@Yamato
I need you to touch base. I'm going to give you my vote as a failsafe to being modkilled, but you shan't keep it if you do not respond.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 11:18 GMT
#1498
On November 16 2013 20:07 Spaghetticus wrote:
@BH
I'm assuming that Skan's playful dismissal of RNG means that the common perception of RNG is that it is bad, which you'd know, being an old-timer.

If you don't have good reasons for RNG, I'm going to need evidence (or witnesses), of you having advocated RNG D1 in previous games, or I'm concluding you scum.


Yeah he RNG's as town and scum. He's a random fellow that Blazinghand.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
November 16 2013 11:23 GMT
#1499
Thankyou Skan. I'd still like an explanation BH.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 16 2013 11:40 GMT
#1500
On November 16 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
Onegu
Let us play a game!

(1)
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 00:27 Onegu wrote:
On November 15 2013 19:11 OOHCHILD wrote:
The question was What makes rayne scummy imo?

For me it's mostly it's that his tone fits with his scum meta. It's aggressive and mean.
His town play from what I've seen is also very characteristic and I'm not seeing it here.

Last game I played he was scum. He also did the very quick reads without reason thing he did this game "ve is town, oats is dumb"
Yea I'm on my phone and I can't quote.

He said he was ignoring risen. I don't see town rayne doing that. Town rayne is constantly struggling to figure out everyone's alignments.



First off I disagree with this, a town and scum rayn both are this way, check out persona 4 mafia and rayns attack on WoS D1, he was town that game. The biggest dif imo for scum and town rayn is you can normally tell is rayn believes his case or not. You have to look at that, once he starts to tunnel onto someone you have to ask him questions and call him out and you should be able to get a read on him. I was thinking about why I started to tunnel him so hard in witchcraft and I figured out this was the reason. Also he isnt quite as active as scum, but this isnt as accurate.
rayn has made and super duper duper pushed a case and suspicion on HolyFlare. He has been pestered about it, and pestered others about it.

With regards to nothing but his bit on HolyFlare, how do you read rayn?

(2) Why do HolyFlare's posts on Mattchew bother you? You say he asks the thread for opinions without providing any of his own, and he's pulling Mattchew's name out of the blue. I ... disagree with a good bit of that statement, and I want to figure out where we diverge. Specifically, you 100% don't feel HF gave thoughts on Mattchew when asking about Mattchew? Also, if I read your post right, someone coming to thread and bringing up a specific person who is NOT a current topic of discussion is a scummy thing? Could you explain why this is so, or why it's sometimes so?



Ok lets play, first on rayn. From his tunnel here on HF I think he feels he found scum and isnt just messing around, therefor he is town.

Second give me a moment to pull up relevant posts.
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