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On November 16 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote:
Nah. They're so different in subject that I don't see one to the other as dropping supersoft.
I guess...how you feel about those posts? Does either scream either alignment to you? They just do very different things for me, and I want to poke at him about it, but also see if anyone else gets anything from them. Well they both follow a similar theme of going with the flow. Like, people were coming out against supersoft's gruff aggression right? So he spoke up against that. Then rayn made a big post about HF and people were starting to get onboard with that, and he adds a couple of points to Rayn's post. Ultimately though I'm not left with a good sense of what Onegu actually thinks about either one of them because of a lack of follow up on either of them. Okay, that'll work. I asked some Qs to onegu but he hasn't come back, poke at him or remind me to poke at him about this stuff when he's on.
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On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote:
@austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far?
He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie.
His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads:On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go.
***AUSTINMCC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEXT THAT WAS UP HERE***
I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more.
VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.
Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time.
That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with.
But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:*also elect me as mayor*On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list
The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list.
He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni.
Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT).
I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now.
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Risen, why do you like BC's post so much? Also, do you feel like he's "stuck around" and continued?
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On November 16 2013 12:27 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:04 austinmcc wrote:
Risen, why do you like BC's post so much? Also, do you feel like he's "stuck around" and continued? I felt it was the kind of post someone should be making in the game. Instantly made me like him. Haven't liked his followup as much. Prefer VE. I like the first bit of this and agree. I just didn't and don't find it alignment-indicative, because I think people of either alignment could feel that such a post would get some love, and could put one together. Especially someone who didn't really have anything else going, that sort of person could make that post and sort of bask in it, because now they're the dude who made that post.
If that makes sense.
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On November 16 2013 13:07 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 16 2013 12:54 Mig wrote:On November 16 2013 12:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
let me ask you this, why do you think Yamato is town? hes done absolutely nothing to me to warrant that read.
Combination of a few things, 1) tone of posts (doesn't seem worried about being viewed as town) 2) claiming that he will use the pardoner role if given it, since most people view pardoner as pro mafia I don't think many mafia would be willing to risk saying they will use it in public. 3) Revealing LM as mason. I think it was really stupid to do so but there isn't any reason for mafia to reveal this at all. Just seems like a dumb town move. Hes been incredibly inactive and his tone of voice makes him seem like a dick, its a null tell Claiming he will use the pardoner role if given it is extremely anti town. No single player should ever use that role period barring some weird last minute mystery reason and outing a potential blue role before giving the player a chance to justify their actions is incredibly shady. You don't see a reason to reveal it? it means if LM eats a bullet yamato can claim "oops i fucked up" and be absolved of responsibility for the dead power role. Nothing you mentioned is anything aside from a null tell. A town or mafia member can spout that shit. "incredibly inactive" more posts than you, more time in the thread holy fuck you're just spouting shit reminds me of LXI regrettably, you're probably town for this A decent amount of supersoft's posts and time in the thread are not particularly constructive.
All of this discussion about which vet has done more or less and should be mayor or pardoner doesn't do much for me. If someone wants a vest, they earn it by playing pro-town. I want protection for people who are townie this game, have provided good stuff this game, and not for someone that hopefully will have a good game/look townie in the future. I know that's not the EXACT discussion here, but I don't think thread is served by some of this discussion.
Specifically...I think that if anyone finds BC or whoever's thoughts on supersoft to be SCUMMY, then call BC scummy for it. If you disagree with his thoughts, well...he has em, and it's only relevant is supersoft looks likely to get voted into any position. Otherwise, it feels like one of the conversations going through thread right now is just people disagreeing over someone's relevance/activity/contributions or whatever, and that doesn't feel like it goes anywhere and it clogs up some more scumhunty discussions like who VE would lynch into, who Mig's suspects are, etc.
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Except, like pretty much every game with masons, being a mason doesn't confirm your alignment.
If that's a crumb, it's ... meh, as he should know it doesn't confirm jack.
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Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.
On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were? If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with.
On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch? Trolling or is this an actual thought?
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Spaghetticus,
I see your read on VE. I would recommend putting it on the back burner for now, and posting about some more varied topics. Like you did in your initial big post, but just...actively posting smaller things on a variety of topics and not hammering VE.
I'd like to ask you about Grack and BC. In your initial post, you agreed with BC that grack was likely scum and hadn't been doing anything very useful. You liked BC. Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.
Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.
I know you also said you didn't want BC mayor, that he was not mayor not lynch for you, but later you say Hmmm I'm not comfortable with BC
What are your current thoughts on BC and grack?
Also, there are 6 players with S names. Apart from yourself, which S name is towniest/scummiest?
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On November 17 2013 03:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.
On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were? If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with. On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch? Trolling or is this an actual thought? I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC? Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum.
HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF.
It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be.
The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance.
Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere.
My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO!
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Mocsta, any particular reason you asked supersoft about hopeless1der early on? Why ask super about that? And what sort of answer would you expect him to give + how would that influence anything?
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Artanis,
Koshi,
The only thing I had before looking him back over in my notes was that he was town for how he responded to yamato outing LM.
Yamato outs LM. People go whaaaa. Yamato explains they played in the last game, LM saved yamato, etc. etc. gave actual reasons why LM would target yamato over others.
Koshi goes half-bonkers, questioning people about why LM is town, how we know LM picked yamato not at random, why would LM pick yamato, etc. etc. Likely explanations to me are: didn't read thread too well OR oddly trying to discredit this (saw mason, didn't read past that point, jumped into QT to decide what to do and didn't notice that the dirt he was trying to throw wasn't any good)
Scum don't really have any reason to discredit LM as town mason, or town, or whatever. He's not a threat to them right now. Scum don't have any reason to flip out and ask people questions that are already answered in thread, question decisions that I found quite logical based on yamato's posting about his and LM's history. I don't think scum goes that far out on a train of thought that is...useless/a result of not having read.
Beyond that, koshi APPEARS to be trying to figure some people out, imo. Look at his progression on Holyflare - + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 01:55 Koshi wrote:
Told you guys he would come back with a bang.
@BC
StorrZerg - Not enough content, don't understand why so many people are disappointed with him, because that is the main reason on why he is scum? Wasn't that incredible awesome in Hogwarts.
Grackeroni - Can lynch. Don't know if he would flip red. Truly useless. Don't know if he plays this game to find scum.
@rayn
Holyflare - I liked Holyflare his posts in Hogwarts on D1, don't like them now. Could be because he doesn't know the answers this game. Don't see why he is scummy. On November 16 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:OneguYou might be on to something. Here is Holyflare his scum game in Hogwarts (filter)Here is Holyflare his town game in newbie XLVII game. (filter)Here is Holyflare his town game in newbie XLVI game (filter)Holyflare makes a shitton of cases as either alignment but he seems to force his cases down people their throats when he is town. But when he is scum he asks a lot more questions to lure people into investing time in his cases. Something like that. On November 16 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote:
That being said. There aren't that many question yet in this game. Hmm. On November 16 2013 02:33 Koshi wrote:
Nha, I still don't see why Holyflare is scum.
My biggest downside to him is that he's been relatively focused on a couple players. But given his actual posting, I've got him relatively strong townie.
Your turn! ME!
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Yo, elect me pardoner or mayor, but probably pardoner cuz VE is mostly okay unless he keeps his cards as close to his vest as he has been right right right up until the very end. Assuming he actually gets a little more talky with a little time to spare, he's a fine choice.
WHY YOU WANT ME ELECTED?
I'm generally active. Especially after D1s, and I don't usually peter out in the endgame, but get rather spammy and talkative and try to work things out. You want me alive for that.
I promote good thread atmospheres, which is a good thing to have around, and I ask the hard-hitting questions other mafia players aren't man enough to ask.
I'm town.
I asked about factional numbers cuz I wanted to know how many mafia there are. Mafia know this already. Yes, this is not particularly strong.
You want a vest on me. I want a vest on me. I would like a vest. Plox to give.
Also, I think yamato is town but I'd like the vest instead of him. Gimme gimme! + Show Spoiler +He backtracked on grack and BC, what looked like two early decent-size scumreads, at times when scum didn't need to backtrack on those and call them town, and when scum could EASILY continue to call them both scummy. There's no real reason for him to do so as scum, mild townie points. I also liked this piece of one of his "caught up with threads list of thoughts" posts - On November 15 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Risen, why do you read Yamato VE as scum? Both are nearly universal town reads so far and I don't find them particularly scummy. It worries me that you haven't tried pursuing them when thread sentiment is in their favour.
I think Rayn is scum. His nitpicking on HolyFlare's open post feels awful to me. HF's post was clearly not alignment indicative. Mayoral campaigns was something everyone had in the back of their minds when they signed up for this game. Obviously you'll already have thoughts of how to write it down. Furthermore there's lots of things stating the obvious. Don't like the ignoring of Risen either. Says he doesn't like people needlessly antagonizing others then proceeds to do it himself.
I've got an opinion on the Mocsta vs Storrzerg thing but I'd rather give him a chance to respond first and see where it goes. Also hate Mig's opening post. More stating the obvious and no followup so far.
I'll also support any supersoft lynch on the base of him being a dick. I don't exactly think rayn is mafia, but I can get behind everything else said in this post, and also subsequent posts. Super's play is strictly worse than attempting to be as neutral as possible. Read the post, broke it down, agrees with this, disagrees with that, comes off more looking like he is reading and examining what others write, and not reading so as to find things to poke at.
As far as the couple people that have posted suspicions of me:
+ Show Spoiler +For anyone suspecting me because of questions, my mindset today is to poke around at a couple folks and see what I think about them. Assuming I don't get elected mayor, which I didn't think I would given I never pushed early or really pushed hard at all, it's 120 hours of game before there's a lynch.
I have risen pretty townie based on his responses, and I wanted a read on risen because usually his analysis is decent, I know he wants to win games, and I'd like to be able to trust what he writes from the start (a lot of this stems from the recent Aperture game (i think that one) where he was 3P but tried hard to carry town one day so he wouldn't lose the game as 3P. I liked that).
I poked at rayn because I fought with rayn in Cop Sandwich Mafia, but I didn't see his pandain read and, if he's townie, I want to examine reads where he and I differ. Poked at sharrant just because sharrant was easily pokeable, and I liked his response to hiro's early post. Poked at onegu because he had one extraordinarily townie post imo, and one really scummy post imo, and I wanted to harmonize and see what I actually thought he was (super townie for his post on super explaining that he didn't want a mayor who was willing to create a bad atmosphere and scummy for his early post on holyflare, felt like one of those "yeah, i'ma find this guy scummy too, let's just go through his whole filter and call out random stuff without really creating any kind of compelling narrative!" posts).
Some of the lack of followup is time, some of it is people not getting around to answering for hours and hours. It derails any kind of conversation feel and that's what I want. Don't worry oats, I will examine you later and peer into your soul and we will chat and I will know your alignment.
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On November 17 2013 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Austinmcc,
I like the method you use to garner reads in asking specific questions to players, asking others to take looks at things you found interesting and seeing if they come to the same conclusions. However, it doesn't give any information regarding your alignment. I believe you're able to do this as both town and scum. What bothers me is the lack of conclusions in your resume. In your opening statements, you question Rayn, Risen, and Sharrant. Later, you question Onegu and Koshi, and ask StorrZerg a few rhetorical questions. Then you start pressuring BC a bit but it doesn't really go anywhere. You never make yourself a strong town presence when you clearly have the wit to do so, and have put in enough time to know what you're speaking of. It feels like you're being more of a thread coach than an actual presence yourself, which is a position more favourable to scum than to town as you can duck responsibility, so I had you as a minor scum read until now. Engaging in this back and forth does help as I feel it helps give me more insight into your personal thoughts on players, but I can't help but wonder if your involvement in it isn't triggered by realizing that there is town sentiment that's swaying against you and that you need to be less lazy. I'm fairly null on your position, with a slight lean towards scumminess right now.
My return question is: Why did you ask me to give my thoughts on you? Did you want to analyze my thought process, or give yourself an opportunity to rectify whatever people might see scummy in you, or is it something different? I had you mildly townie early for your posts at rayn, asking him why HolyFlare would "lie" about rayn having called risen town, when really there's no reason for a scum player to just straight up create lies and then back them and argue for them. That's really, really bad scum play, doubling down on lies that serve no purpose. You made that post before I did, and I find that train of thought townie.
You've had a number of other sensible posts, and I just want to poke around you a little more, see whether I like what you said about me or not.
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Please don't engage with BH about the claim. It's 100% not going to lead anywhere useful.
BH. There are SIX people with S names in this game. Almost 20% of the playerbase has names that start with the same letter. Do you believe this to be some kind of conspiracy, or no? Either way, can you actually read 2 of the S names and tell me what you think about them?
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On November 17 2013 04:33 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 04:31 austinmcc wrote:
Please don't engage with BH about the claim. It's 100% not going to lead anywhere useful.
BH. There are SIX people with S names in this game. Almost 20% of the playerbase has names that start with the same letter. Do you believe this to be some kind of conspiracy, or no? Either way, can you actually read 2 of the S names and tell me what you think about them? Someone just claims tracker and you don't think that will lead anywhere? Lol Did you read the claim and the responses?
Ask him 2000 times whether it's real or not. What happens? He continues to give trolly answers and enjoy himself, and you actually don't know whether it's truthful or no.
Asking him generates no answers for you, but posts in thread in which BH trolls. That's it. Poking at him about it generates nothing useful.
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Artanis, your turn again, if you're down to keep going.
supersoft, how do you feel about me, or me getting votes?
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super, can you explain (2) here?
On November 15 2013 22:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote:@Supersoft, - 2 questions (1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead? + (2) What do you think of Hopeless1der? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1derI am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make. On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE. BTW, which occurs here: On November 15 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 15 2013 08:49 Coagulation wrote:On November 15 2013 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Any campaign for kush gets a solid "yeah, no" from me. No offense to kush but I did kind of tell yamato i wanted to win. kush is really good at scum hunting actually. probably better than 90% of the players here. Hes just non communique *must...not...feeed....troll* ##Vote: VisceraEyes My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor. Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate. You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der? (1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0. (2) got to think about this.
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Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there?
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On November 17 2013 05:13 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:09 austinmcc wrote:super, can you explain (2) here? On November 15 2013 22:55 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote:@Supersoft, - 2 questions (1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead? + (2) What do you think of Hopeless1der? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1derI am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make. On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE. BTW, which occurs here: On November 15 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 15 2013 08:49 Coagulation wrote:On November 15 2013 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Any campaign for kush gets a solid "yeah, no" from me. No offense to kush but I did kind of tell yamato i wanted to win. kush is really good at scum hunting actually. probably better than 90% of the players here. Hes just non communique *must...not...feeed....troll* ##Vote: VisceraEyes My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor. Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate. You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der? (1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0. (2) got to think about this. mhm i didn't follow that one up, because I couldn't deceide whether hopeless is scum or bad townie. + i don't fully agree that these credentials are irellevant if you're town. I mean it might be interesting to read a game where your mayorcandidate actually is mayor before you vote him so i think that comment isn't really a tell. Do you think that those two posts are enough to call someone scum or bad townie?
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On November 17 2013 05:15 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there? I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure. I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not. Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes. Okay, just checking. I haven't engaged you and am unsure on elected-you. Last time you got an extra life, I think you were short on time (you were rezzed as a ghost in some game we played where I was scum), and the game was a MESS, but it didn't go very well. I know our team initially killed you because you were onto someone or someones, but once you were confirmed town and alive again, it just didn't feel like you did much, and your reads got turned around.
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