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Also, HF, can you post the log between you and artanis, or...at the very least, relevant sections of the log where you discuss Artanis's target for the night? | ||
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HERE IS THE LONG VERSION Stuff I find in Risen's filter : Critical of hiro/thrawn early - + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 17:09 Risen wrote: "*I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan." From one of hiro's posts. Why did he add this? Seems like something scum would be worried about but town wouldn't be. Tells me scumRisen plays by pointing out scummy stuff, either his own team or townies, but that scumRisen just scumhunts. So early on, at least somewhat truthful even if he's mafia. Feels scummy on HF, but is critical of Rayn's HF case. Likes some, but feels like rayn is wrong in a couple things he calls scummy. Looks like critical reading of a case on a scumread. scumRisen has option of +1ing, or just piling on. Votes BC mayor because of BC's grack/storrzerg post that WAS fluffy and meh. Boo. Cough cough, D4 Risen meet D1 Risen On November 16 2013 07:36 Risen wrote: Why not? I'm confused. I hate people who give solid town reads, but I give them from time to time and understand why people give them. Scum reads should always be given when you have them, or you can delay if you want to see that person post more, but why withhold information like that beyond a certain point? No one is perfect, maybe you're sitting on something people missed or glossed over and because you're not airing your scum reads people won't be as willing to believe your stuff later. Seems foolish/not pro-town at all to me. Is reading thread, following, BC asks storrzerg to vote for him. Risen tells BC unlikely, because BC had storrzerg scummy, might lynch him. Does scumRisen point this out? He's not calling BC scummy with it, just noting why someone wouldn't vote. If time, check pages 50 (BC posts his grack/storrzerg post) to 67 (risen posts that he liked BC's case initially, but not his followup). That's the PROPER response. Townie response. If other people have been saying this in the meantime Risen gets little/no townpoints for this. If risen vocalizes this sentiment before others do, moderate townpoints. Okay, so, nobody posted about BC's followup, but risen's answer was in direct response to me asking him whether he liked BC's followup. Risen's D1 BC read confusing. Within like a 1 hour span, he posts that he likes VE more than BC, but BC's posting is fine. Wants VE mayor/BC pardoner, no SS pardoner. But Risen wary of BC after BC wants VE/SS to get vests, not himself. Says it makes BC look scummy, like he committed too hard to candidacy and is now watching how he looks, which is scummy. N1 or something wants to kill yamato/OOHCHILD/HF, but can't remember reasons. But is fine lynching Pandain and calls rayn scummy for his pandain read, is fine lynching rayn as well. Has dropped all discussion of OOHCHILD/HF (yamato is ded). But then could lynch grack over rayn. N2 he's wants kills in Pandain/HF/Austin/Rayn. So he's somewhat consistent. Risen's stance on the grack/coag mason claim is that grack will be lynched, but it's unclear whether he's scum or not. I like that. Risen's posting turns into the "oh i'm leading, lynch me, woe is me, town is bad, etc." stuff Nov. 22 15:59 TL time. Lynch wasn't for 20ish hours. Town has not reached any consensus, votes are everywhere. Risen does NOT need to go nuts at this point. It puts the spotlight on him in a day where a lot of people are doing nothing, thread is fractured, votes are everywhere, and scum KNOW this. They can't be THAT worried about risen with this much time left, can they? IF risen actually thinks he's getting lynched, he IS crapping up the thread. Basically fine with lynching all non-risens, except he masks a bunch of his posts as scum lists, not "I will lynch whoever to live." Risen's response to understanding the supersoft RB oats thing is TO WANT TO LYNCH OATS, not SUPERSOFT. This is townie, because scum wants supersoft dead as the RBer (they know he's town and probably not lying). Risen UNVOTES supersoft when he learns about ss/oats. However, he says that if oats flips town, ss gets lynched next. So it's possibly this is all just setup, but mafia should be lynching ss NOW, ASAP. I am conflicted on this, because ss had lost a bunch of votes earlier, was down to just Hopeless and Risen. So if he was starting to seem like a poor lynch AND risen is mafia, mafia needs to find another candidate ASAP. I don't know why they find OATS here instead of someone with more votes though --> LM and rayn had 2 votes, and imo, LM would be easy to kind of swing thoughts onto. Him posting in the voting thread ... is either null or scummy. He makes a bunch of posts there, he should SEE it's the vote thread. Which means he's not paying attention at all OR he's actively posting in there to try and look stupid/unfocused, and argue that's townie because scum so worried about being lynched. He never uses this argument, so I'm okay with null on his posts in the vote thread. AT:KLJAEHNTLKAJEHTAEKT. RISEN UNVOTES PANDAIN AND LEAVES A VOTE ON OATS LIKE 2 HOURS BEFORE LYNCH. WHY DOES SCUMRISEN MOVE A VOTE OFF OF PANDAIN WHEN HE CAN MAKE UP REASONS TO KEEP IT THERE? HE PUTS IT ON HF WHICH IS SILLY AND A WASTE OF A VOTE WHEN MAFIA NEED TO BE USING THEIR VOTES. RISEN ACTIVELY UNVOTES THE DUDE THAT SCUMMY PEOPLE SEEM TO WANT TO HAVE LYNCHED YESTERDAY, AND HE DOES SO WHEN HE DOESN'T NEED TO. IF PANDAIN IS TOWN, AND HIS VOTES MAKE THAT SEEM LIKELY, THEN SCUMRISEN IS ACTIVELY CHOOSING NOT TO LYNCH A GUY THAT SCUM NEED TO KILL BECAUSE HE'S A FRIGGIN' VET IF HE'S TOWN AND THEY HAVE THREE VETS TO DEAL WITH IF PANDAIN IS TOWN AND THAT IS A LOT SO THEY WOULD WANT TO LYNCH HIM BUT RISEN DID NOT. LIKE RISEN CONTINUES TO SAY THAT THE SS/PANDAIN LOG SITUATION IS FUCKED, AND THAT SOMEONE IS MISCOMMUNICATING OR SOMEONE IS SCUM SCUM SCUM. HE CAN EASILY RIDE A PANDAIN LYNCH BASED OFF OF THEIR LOG. Some of his woe is me stuff is about him being pushed by scum. He's misreading his votes, making this out to be some kind of scum push when he's not ACTUALLY getting pushed while saying it, he's lost some votes. Don't like this. Risen is now concerned about the vote list of pandain, says he's voting pandain (but he's not). He's either just playing the dumb, confused guy card (which isn't valid as EITHER alignment), or...I don't know. Heck, as scum, he says "I think I'm voting pandain" --> "Wait, no i'm not" --> "Vote pandain". Pandain comes up, Risen "doesn't like Pandain's explanation" for his lying about the lots being altered, says it slipped his mind, and STILL DOES NOT VOTE PANDAIN. Except he DID read that stuff earlier, and he's been on pandain mainly because of the log stuff, and is still talking about Pandain, and risen of EITHER alignment doesn't do this nonsense afaik. Says he wants to flip ss/pandain/oats, votes OATS. Not PANDAIN. Pandain is lynchable with 30 minutes to lynch, oats is friggin' not. Again, scum can lynch pandain's face off is Risen is scum but they just don't? If Risen is scum with BC but not pandain, BC doesn't need to last minute vote swap, risen just has to move a vote from rayn onto pandain, or put his oats vote on pandain before 3 minutes to lynch, or ANYTHING. Scum probably more than happy to get rayn out of the game, but if pandain is town he's a vet and scum is running lowish on KP and they NEED to get rid of vets. So why don't they lynch him (if risen scum and pandain town. Risen and pandain BOTH unlikely to be scum, right? That's too many almost-scum-lynches for a day that had such a slow start and middle). Risen's play, at times this game, makes no sense at all to me. As either alignment his votes aren't where they shouldn't be, his reads are lost and found and he doesn't appear to know WHY he has some reads at all? Which would normally be uber-scummy, except that one of the BIGGEST examples of this, Pandain, is a lynch that scum REALLY WANT if pandain is town. Risen loses his pandain read, doesn't vote, doesn't lynch Pandain. So while that would be scummy, it's the worst possible choice for Risen to pretend-derp or real-derp on, there's NO RAISIN for him to do that as scum except to maybe WIFOM a lynch tomorrow EXCEPT HE'S PRETTY CLEARLY NOT DOING THAT AT ALL. I do not understand Risen's last 80-90 hours of play, as either alignment. He's just bouncing around and not in any kind of sensible way, he's trying to get killed to get himself out of the way when we NEED a scum kill to drop KP, and he's overall just making himself a bigger and bigger distraction and harming the thread. But I don't think he's today's lynch, because his conduct concerning pandain read/vote doesn't make sense to me as scum. He interacts early with hiro/thrawn, in a negative way, and he comes around to what I think is a very townie view on BC's alignment D1 (his grack/storrzerg post looked nice, but his followup was crap, therefore he's not very townie). That was with prodding, fine, but I think that's the right mindset for a townie looking at BC's D1 to have. | ||
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austinmcc
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Thrawn replaces Hiro. I found Hiro super townie because he wanted to select a mayor, then vote the mayor's lynch choice into pardoner slot, so that there would be ZERO risk of pardoner in this game. I was not thinking through things at the time. Pardoner gets a vest this game. Hiro's plan was to lynch the pardoner, eliminating 1 of 2 vests that town could potentially have access to. Town GENERALLY kills mafia via lynch. Mafia KILL LOTS OF TOWNIES WITH SHOTS. Having a vest out of the game, even if you don't know pardoner's alignment, is more mafia-favored than town-favored. On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote: My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™: step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^ step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler + Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate  step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1. + Show Spoiler + *I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan. ##Vote: hiro protagonist On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch: *We kill off a pro scum role. *It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging. On November 15 2013 10:20 hiro protagonist wrote: Im out till tomorrow afternoon. Feel free to talk about how awesome a Day 1 scum pardner lynch would be. Feel free to try and say otherwise, so I know I can put you in the Red column. | ||
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Enters the game as a replacement, but DOES NOT WANT A SUMMARY OF WHAT HE MISSED D1. He goes after my nuts, while not having read, and while saying he doesn't want the play by play of D1 that he asked for. He is "scumhunting," without reading the thread, and without doing other townie stuff, like reading a summary. He is "scumhunting" for cosmetic effect only THRAWN WAS MASONED WITH BH AND BH CLAIMED ASSASSIN AND CLAIMED NOT TRACKER AND THRAWN DID NOT FEEL IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO REVEAL THIS STUFF TO THE THREAD WHEN BH'S ALIGNMENT WAS A RELEVANT ISSUE. WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THIS, HE RESPONDS WITH STUFF LIKE - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 14:15 thrawn2112 wrote: LOOK AT THAT.lol u mad? or you mad? lol ok holy shit. bh told me he fake claimed because he knew he'd be busy soon and didn't want to be lynched. now personally I believe that, and I don't think a scum BH would actually say that to me. objectively it looks super scummy so that's why I didn't want to use that as reasoning for my BH town read, because i fear people here are dumb enough to lynch him for that. so don't. HOLY SHIT, WHY ARE YOU ON MY NUTS OATS AND ASKING WHY I DON'T WANT TO PREVENT A MISLYNCH? CUZ ALL TOWNIES WANT TO SIT BACK AND HIDE INFORMATION WHEN THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING MISLYNCHED, RIGHT? BH TOLD ME HE FAKECLAIMED TO AVOID A LYNCH (PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS IN THREAD A BUNCH AND THRAWN HAS SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT), BUT I DON'T THINK SCUM BH WOULD SAY THAT. EXCEPT OBJECTIVELY, IT TOTALLY LOOKS SCUMMY SO I DIDN'T WANT OT TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT. Thrawn throws little softball questions to BC, prodding BC for more mocsta analysis and supporting what BC provides - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote: BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about? And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish Thrawn is sniping at hopeless a bunch, about hopeless's alignment, his play in past games, etc. This is D2. The main issue is not HOPELESS. The main issue is BLAZINGHAND. Thrawn is sitting on relevant information to the LYNCH, and instead he's sniping at hopeless about hopeless's activity. Pandain, who he's spent a bunch of D2 poking at and ends up his tippy top scumread, gets a "lol at least you're honest about it" for not having opinions on more than 2 players. Thrawn finds me scummy for this. Again, same thing happened, thrawn reacted to it differently when different players did it. Why the difference? (Cuz it's all made up!) Thrawn is INCREDIBLY sure that BH isn't scum. He's just arguing all D2 that BH is not scum. He KNOWS BH fakeclaimed. He KNOWS BH has been doing jack all. He refuses to share his QT at this point. Why is BH so clearly cleary town, and why isn't thrawn posting logs to stop BH's lynch? Because thrawn doesn't care! Thrawn knows BH isn't scum because...thrawn is scum! And when thrawn ultimately reveals BH's comment, it's just BH saying he's not really a tracker but doesn't want to be lynched. Thrawn accepts this completely, despite not being around D1, never seems to question it, just decides scum BH wouldn't say that, no way no how. On November 20 2013 06:43 thrawn2112 wrote: What is this what is this? I might be willing to consolidate on BC, but not unless he's the only alternative to BH. I really liked his posts and his thought processes lined up with mine. NOPE, not lynching BC, he's the towniest of the vets. THRAWN TYPES THAT HE WILL LYNCH HIS TOWNIEST READ OUT OF THE VET GROUP AND A GUY WITH GOOD ANALYSIS AND THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS AS THRAWN. WHAT IS THIS COMMENT? Even when he says "actually no, I'm not lynching BC," WHY WOULD IT EVER CROSS HIS MIND TO LYNCH BC WHEN BC IS HIS TOWNIEST READ IN THE VET GROUP AND HE SEEMS TO BE SUPER IN-LINE WITH BC?!?!!?!?!?supersoft! ignore everyone else. if you really think that rayn is cluttering up the thread then stop talking about him You thought BH was assassin before I posted his claim right? Do you still think this? Why aren't you trying to save him? Oats is probably not getting lynched at this point. The only other two viable lynches seem to be pandain and bc. A pandain lynch would make me a happy thrawn. I might be willing to consolidate on BC but it's not likely unless he's the only alternative to the BH lynch. I really liked his analysis of the mocsta/grack situation and there's been a few other times where his thought process has lined up with mine. lol actually no i'm not lynching BC. imo he's the towniest out the vet group and I distinctly remember marv participating in a heated discussion about balancing teams can everyone on BH look and panda and grack one more time? Thrawn is super-hammering how "not-red" BH is. Asking people do they think he's x or assassin. Saying pandain weird for calling BH "deserving" of a lynch, saying Pandain knows BH will flip "not-red." I push him for his read on BC, and he puts it off, but NEVER gets to it - + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: ask me every question you can think of regarding all things BC and i will promise that I will give you my exhaustive analysis tomorrow i got stuff to do + this game is annoying me so much i don't want to put any more thought into it atm On D3, when thrawn reappears, he now "doesn't know" about BC. He continues to say BC was convincing and on the same page as thrawn was. But he NEVER EVER PROVIDES SPECIFICS. And now, his towniest towniest vet, is completely different in tone and questionable solely because of a conversation with mig. Queue thrawn pestering BC, and then being unsure of BC's answer, kinda not liking it. thrawn ATTACKS ONEGU for NOT EXPLAINING HIS BC READ. When thrawn has been doing the same. When thrawn's read 180s on D3, just because of ONE of BC's conversations. LOOK AT THE TIMING OF HIS BC STUFF AND HIS VOTE:
to anyone who is not convinced. How does townThrawn hide stuff from town about BH that way, not find it relevant? Why does townThrawn refuse to explain in detail his towniest vet read on BC? Why does townThrawn vote BC D3? Seriously. That last question is the only one you need. Why does townThrawn vote BC D3? Cuz if you can find or come up with ANY explanation for it, I'm all ears. | ||
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But please, explain to me his BC vote. BC was super townie. But he has to wait to provide strong reasoning, can't just put it in thread. On D3, BC now looks questionable because of attacking Mig, he wants to know BC's thoughts there. Instead of waiting on a response, he VOTES BC. Then later, he gets thoughts, and says pretty much jack about BC. Then he attacks Onegu for not saying enough about his BC read. Please to 'splain. | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote: Entirely possible. Heck, I didn't realize it at the time.well mig is obviously tunneled into oblivion. austin what do you think are the chances that hiro didnt realize both mayor and pardoner get vests? I seem to remember someone else having the same issue but I cba to find it right now. It's not why hiro/thrawn is scum. But I hate that I missed this at the time, that I was townie on hiro for that set of posts, and only later remembered them and realized his plan is ... pretty bad. | ||
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Thrawn says he couldn't catch up and the thread was impossible to read/follow, but man, he sure completely changed his mind about BC with very very very little to no explanation. He was "disgusted" that we would lynch BH, but he had NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER with a bunch of people voting BC, his towniest vet, on D3. Read his D2. STOP LYNCHING BH HE IS NOT SCUM STOP LYNCHING BH HE IS NOT SCUM. Read his D3. BC MIGHT BE SCUM I WANT TO SEE HIS ANSWERS. Never tries to get people off. Never tries to give reasons why people shouldn't vote BC. Says he's waiting for BC's answer, but goes ahead and votes BC anyway, and barely comments on BC's actual answer. Thrawn attacks grack today for calling him scum and pushing his lynch, despite never making a case. Grack is voting risen, and does not appear to be pushing the thrawn lynch at all (but he should!). | ||
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You've...never really said anything about him, actually. Except that he shouldn't play 2 games if he can't keep up, and that he should sheep your rayn vote. | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:58 Mig wrote: I'm not a mason.Did thrawn mason pandain? He didn't mason me (not really surprised). If so I wouldn't mind looking at their chat logs. I still think there is likely to be another mafia mason for balance reasons. We have pandain/hf/lm/thrawn/austin left. Thrawn/LM seem the most likely candidates. I was masoned by HF D1. I was masoned by LM D3. #notamason | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:59 Koshi wrote: Okay. Would you care to comment on thrawn and why?Pretty sure I was telling rayn that thrawn was playing pretty bad. But rayn defended him because he looked townie in the Mason. Then I told him that thrawn looked shitty in the thread though. Apart from that. I am not really feeling a thrawn lynch over a Risen lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:03 Grackaroni wrote: BH in cycle 1. I think BH/Pandain/rayn? If not BH/rayn/pandain. It was one of those.Who did Thrawn mason before Pandain? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:07 Koshi wrote: Could you expound upon this?thrawn in Witchraft II was a total boss. This game, not so much. But he doesn't say that he isn't following the game, even though he clearly isn't committed. Don't know why trawn would play like this when he can play like a total boss. That's kinda it. But I am feeling a Risen lynch because they killed supersoft and supersoft was becoming town leader that would push this lynch through. If scum wanted to be certain fo a Risen lynch they would have just left supersoft alive and killed 2 people that might be opposed to a Risen lynch. It's not that supersoft was confirmed town, but he was a big influence. Also, the people that are opposing the Risen lynch are the people on the Kush list and VA. I am not a big fan of VA tbh. As well as state clearly, "My name is koshi and if I was forced to say townthrawn or scumthrawn, I would say _______" | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:11 Koshi wrote: So thrawn is scum because...he can be a boss but he is not? There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING specific in his filter that makes you scummy on him? There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that says "wow, thrawn is anti-town or pushing anti-town lynches/objectives this game"? It is purely that he has played better than he is this game?scum thrawn. BUT always lynch Risen over Kush today. Or is there more than bossness? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:15 Koshi wrote: thrawn has been playing this game. he has a filter. he's made posts. Heck, you TALKED about the guy earlier, on D2. You had him town for instantly playing, then didn't know why people were townie on him, then had him slightly scummy because of his effort in thread vs effort in QT.Well you people said some things but I was in mafia depression. @Hopeless. I meant thrawn obviously. It's not just "you people said some things," YOU have said some things. But they've been very bland. He has a filter. I just pulled a bunch of stuff out. If you are town and want to be un-depressed, make posts, find scum, read their filters, go "OH CRAP THIS AND THAT AND THIS OTHER THING ARE REALLY FRIGGIN' SCUMMY." If you won't do that, how about you look at thrawn's filter during the D2 lynch, all his stuff on BH (which you halfway commented on D2, bee tee dubs). Then you look at thrawn's filter for his mentions of BC, and follow his BC read. Then, you post in the thread how you feel about thrawn, specifically, in reference to posts he's made and discrete things that he has done this game. Then we can high five. Seriously though, thrawn on BC, throughout the game, read it. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: I know this is not a serious question.But today I want to be lazy D:, can't I do it tomorrow? His filter is small. I'm picking out a very particular thing for you to look at, just look at his Bloodycobbler and BC posts. You can search his whole filter for those terms and you won't have much reading material. Plus. You want to be a boss. If he was a boss last game and isn't this game because he's just not playing, then don't be a non-boss and not play. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU THINK HE MIGHT BE SCUM AND YOU HAD HIM AS ONE OF TWO LYNCH OPTIONS AND KOSHI GO READ AND POST THINGS | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VxpXqW0l.png) The cake was not a lie. It's a real cake. But it's also booby-trapped, and instead of a stripped bursting out of it, there's a cartoon-y boxing gloves that springs out and punches you in the face. Sorry, you just got cake-punched. Now please please please actually read thrawn's filter because it isn't large and he's relevant to today and nobody cares if you're sad about lynching rayn because you need to play. Also, after reading it, comment on it substantively. Because again, it's very relevant to today. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Thank you but you should also play this game and comment substantively on thrawn.Austin you're so cool. Scumbros for lyfe. | ||
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But you look at him, call out a couple reads, and ask why he's not trying to stop the lynch. MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA. DO YOU THINK THAT IS THE CASE? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT HIS INTERACTIONS WITH, READ ON, AND VOTE ON, BC? | ||
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