EPTI don't find any one post particularly scumtelling. Probably the biggest swing in my perception was when Storrzerg claimed noob. I haven't followed him up since, figuring his input has been fairly limited and if someone prompts me it won't take long to be up to date.
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Spaghetticus
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I don't find any one post particularly scumtelling. Probably the biggest swing in my perception was when Storrzerg claimed noob. I haven't followed him up since, figuring his input has been fairly limited and if someone prompts me it won't take long to be up to date. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote: Generally earlier than this. He's usually got some posts, and some decent posts, on D1 in the games that I have played with him. I don't find it particularly telling about his alignment, except for a nagging thought that maybe it's an indicator of assassinyness. That's an outside shot though, and I don't expect him or others to play assassiny, whatever that actually means (in my head, playing to avoid getting killed by any faction by normal means, sometimes town BH looks very town and gets shot N1, and assassinBH wouldn't really want that although he could say he was protected or whatever). Yeah hes an odd case right now. Clearly does not care. I dunno when is the right time to start trying to pry that shell. In Hogwarts we let him live prob 1 cycle too long. I don't mind the assassin read though. Considering he tried to claim he RNG'd a doc save as scum in Hogwarts, I am hardpressed to think he would rinse-repeat RNG in consecutive games. | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 18 2013 01:14 OOHCHILD wrote: Ah, alright. I'm not trying to tunnel you. You weren't super mega active D1, so I want to do two things. I want to get you posting more, so that I can read that and get a better read on you. I want to get you posting more, so that YOU can post more and have more of an impact on this game. yes its to you Best case scenario, you answer the salsa question, and one or two players really catch your eye. By answering about salsa, you're not just hunting for scum or having townreads, you're identifying specific characteristics that x player has exhibited. Maybe that characteristic triggers something in your brain, you find it really townie, or really scummy, or you think it says something else, or whatever. It's a way to approach things from a different angle, maybe jumpstart some other thought process helpful to solving the game/having a happy town game. I get to read that, others get to read that, and have a better read on you. More activity, an odd look at the game from you, responses from me probably, it's all good for the game. Despite it being a dumb question, I think it's helpful to both of us. Heck, worst case scenario, you can answer however you want and be trolly. But that still gets a post or a couple out of you, even if they're pure troll. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:17 Spaghetticus wrote: For context, could you quicklist your three biggest scumreads? Who do you consider confirmed town? I don't find any one post particularly scumtelling. Probably the biggest swing in my perception was when Storrzerg claimed noob. I haven't followed him up since, figuring his input has been fairly limited and if someone prompts me it won't take long to be up to date. Everything to make an informed opinion is here: On November 17 2013 00:31 Mocsta wrote: Storrzerg + Show Spoiler [case] + On November 16 2013 08:49 StorrZerg wrote: This was never the crux of my argumentation. I am getting really agitated people keep saying this, and I think this is a total cop out. @mocsta im town way to call me scum on my bday not cool bro not cool. As for your reasons, i propose a different way to approach things thus i have to be scum? I can understand the "meta" is to vote someone into mayor that is a great scum hunter, so we can get a scum lynch day 1. I don't get how saying hunting for scum, is a scum tell and that my mind set should be hunting scum. Specially since im Town. Other wise, i think im leaning more town on you right now. Yes i think your case was a bit weak on myself, "lynch bait", yet i know i didn't provide much content to the game yet either. You have gotten some flak on your case against me (saying your going for lynch bait). regardless i am interested in the next person you present a case on since i think you are actually scum hunting. This reads to me as an appeal to let you off the noose -> hence the subtle/subliminal push for me to present a case on another person. *IF* you were so worried about analysing my next case I would be a null read. Instead, you try and appeal to my ego by calling me town. From this re-entry, my read has not waivered: scum Still catching up page 40 ish right now. I don't like this call out. It feels opportunistic and half-hearted. Its too general, does not have a strong stance attached to it - which makes me doubt the intentions as genuine; and lastly, adds nothing to a player that has already come under some scrutiny. This is in essence a "+1" post.have not liked what mattchew has had to say so far. Fluff with no reasons for reads. maybe he has provided more input idk yet. Also side note, i probably should have been taking notes or something while reading the thread, so many people so many names. An alignment null post, however, is a very convenient excuse to walk away from this pressure.Well what i said pregame will still happen. (will be gone most of Saturday, i doubt ill get any reception while in the mountains) but ill try and post when i can and i will be back on Sunday morning. Considering this it really was silly for me to attempt to run. I just can't be active enough during this start time to do what needs to be done. On November 16 2013 09:14 StorrZerg wrote: As stated above. Too generic, and does *nothing* to gain traction on a mattchew lynch.my opinion this game has nothing to do with previous game. i feel his posts have had lack of reason for his reads, and poor content thus he is leaning scummy If town: There is no congruency between the post above, and your ethos to "hunt for scum" On November 16 2013 09:32 StorrZerg wrote: Mostly Fluff. However I am curious about the reads on Holyflare/VE.1. I don't understand this.. mind saying it differently? As for mayor, i personally never considered myself a serious contender for mayor. I've never run for one before. 2. Leaning town on mocsta, leaning town on Holyflare (I liked his opening post for mayor) VE null atm, I don't feel he has been scum hunting that greatly yet, I do like how active he is. I'm currently still catching up on the thread. 3. Not really. Usually i tend to post my notes while im working on a post. (or at least i did that in my last game which was the previous newby game) I have not dived into filters yet so i have not "hunted for scum" or "found townies" My main focus is catching up on the thread. Posting some opinions. Then diving into filters. I find Holyflare to be nullish, and whilst a majority found the post scummy or null - he declares town. I am even more surprised by the VE commentary: confident enough to state that VE has been scum hunting poorly. Yet he has not caught up on the thread? On November 16 2013 10:09 StorrZerg wrote: I won't detail the newbie card any further. Its been done to death. He clearly is fairly experienced.( i just got to BC attack on myself/grack) @BC i am new to TL mafia. this is my 4th game in this forum. 1 of which was many years ago. 1 was a themed game, 1 was a newbie game. This is still a "new thing" for me. Regardless what you think. You might have a different opinion on the matter, but that's it an opinion. As far as being active and playing tons of mafia on all other places lol? I can think of one other site, but i consider those mafia games (a few games...) quite different because of the atmosphere. Right now i'm trying to decide how to read you... I'd say it feels pretty obvious we can't both be scum. I talk a ton in qts, (ask matt, hogwarts game hufflepuff qt. ) And undoubtedly i would have been instructed... So my question is, are you trying to use outside tl mafia information to sway town to lynch a person based on just "a lie" Or does town BC really need to be nit picky about this? I can agree it seemed a bit odd that grack "defended me" I think he more so questioned wording that mocsta gave (hunting for scum vs hunting scum) which i have to agree, i don't see the point on that from mocsta. After this, i think i am more inclined to think you are mafia. I can't agree with your lynch candidates right now, or the reasoning behind them. I find the comment in red strange, I can't put my finger on it but its just something that I would not be thinking about in my head. (i.e. with that phrasing there is a scenario where Storrzerg is scum and BC town.) Really odd defense. Its also interesting to note that Storrzerg chooses to lean mafia on BC and town on myself even though we are the two prime attackers. Its curious to note that universal town read yamato wants the blood of BC - and Storrzerg is now pushing BC. Then a bunch of fluff + pushing BC. Then we get: On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote: Decided to look at austinmcc filter first. I can't say i like how he has kept questioning the troll question. (and again, i'd put trolls under useless/inactive town) Other than that, i like his approach to the game, how he is asking questions. I also like how he is presenting his reads, in particular his Pandain read/thoughts. I'm happy with how he is askingg his questions in general. I would lean town on austinmcc. @austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far? I am FIRMLY null on Austin. Hes a slippery mudafarker and frankly I expected him to run for mayor. The concern here is that now Storrzerg has thrown out 3 town reads and delivered 2 scum reads (both of whom have come under scrutiny at different points int he game). For someone so concerned about finding scum.. why is he happy with how austin has questioned pandain? Is pandain scum... im not seeing any "hunting for scum" in storrzergs approach to this game. On November 16 2013 11:29 StorrZerg wrote: This is in essence a big fat summary post.Now lets take a better look at mattchew + Show Spoiler [case on mattchew] + I understand mattchew plays the game, by finding town and adding more town to his circle. And by that process he finds scum since they are not in his circle. How ever i am not so keen on him throwing town reads with no reason. (as he first starts out throwing one on VE) On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote: Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum again Yam, random town read no real reason. I can "assume" he is getting a town read from mocsta because he believes mocsta is scum hunting. I shouldn't assume however.. I'd prefer matt to explain in a few more words why he feels this way. He seems a bit better with how he read the situation. (since i came to a similar conclusion mocsta town, im town) He changes his read on Alakaslam because of Alakaslam post responding to yamato. again, where are the reasons? After i said i was leaning scum on mattchew, On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote: mattchew is town i lean town on storr too His read on myself has now changed. Why? again lack of reasoning. And most recent post On November 16 2013 09:33 Mattchew wrote: BC can be lynched and im ok with that, same with koshi Not to sure why he is ok with these people, personally i am fine with a BC lynch since i feel he has not been looking for scum, just low hanging fruit. In the end, i have not found mattchew to have done anything yet in this game. His reads have had no reasoning what so ever save for 1 comment defending myself. I am putting him my scum circle for now. Matt did this, matt did that. No explanation of why it exhibits a mafia mindset. Nor does it lead to any pressure on matt to follow up with. This is feigning contribution at its absolute finest. Storrzerg has made lots of promises to find scum. However, his filter clearly demonstrates that he is playing lazy scum. - Only picks on players that have been targetted by others - Gives out several town reads with weak rationale. - Is constantly feigning contributions - Lastly, appeals to my ego by calling me town, which contradicts his mindset to analyse my further cases Storrzerg is scum. Either vote me for mayor, or lynch storrzerg as prime target. | ||
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Spaghetticus
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On November 18 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh what's this? Why wouldn't assasins play like town? Like if they get shot during the night just not claim you were shot? Are scum gonna claim they did shoot you or what? I would assume that assassins play like town, but probably hold back a little to avoid being so valuable as to warrant an NK. They don't know who the scum are, so they won't give scumtells. Given that they only have one KP, I assume they prioritise outlasting the other assassin rather than actually finding and killing them. | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 18 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. It's happened a couple times iirc, scum shoots someone who doesn't die, tells urrbody about it. Scum can claim to have been a vigi in a game where the assassins are neutral, or there have been games where scum is mostly screwed and a guy who is outed outs a 3P who can be harmful to town, trying to buy an extra cycle for scum to stay alive and hoping town goes after the 3P. That's not the case here, but there have been enough funky scum/3P interactions that it's a possible consideration.Ugh what's this? Why wouldn't assasins play like town? Like if they get shot during the night just not claim you were shot? Are scum gonna claim they did shoot you or what? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:19 austinmcc wrote: Yes. It's happened a couple times iirc, scum shoots someone who doesn't die, tells urrbody about it. Scum can claim to have been a vigi in a game where the assassins are neutral, or there have been games where scum is mostly screwed and a guy who is outed outs a 3P who can be harmful to town, trying to buy an extra cycle for scum to stay alive and hoping town goes after the 3P. That's not the case here, but there have been enough funky scum/3P interactions that it's a possible consideration. Yes but assasins don't hurt scum and they don't hurt town. Best for them is to not get lynched, which means play like town. If scum shoot them, good luck outing themselves to get assasin killed. If someone is going to say "i shot that guy and he didn't die and didn't claim, he is assasin" i will lynch the claimer because they are scum. Why would you lynch the assasin because they are not scum? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Most harm assasin can do is to shoot town, which screws over themselves because they lose their chance to shoot the other assasin. Therefore they do not wanna shoot town. Because they win when the other assasin dies. As far as I am concerned. Identifying assassin is only relevant to discern useless town from useless assassin. I would anticpate they play a similar game. Until we get to a point where there are nto enough creditable reads to lynch that BH becomes a priority -- there is no need to discuss assasssin tactics. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:25 Mocsta wrote: As far as I am concerned. Identifying assassin is only relevant to discern useless town from useless assassin. I would anticpate they play a similar game. Until we get to a point where there are nto enough creditable reads to lynch that BH becomes a priority -- there is no need to discuss assasssin tactics. You are wrong. Assasins want to play like town because they lose if they get lynched and if scum shoots them nothing happens. Therefore useless =/= assasin most likely. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:17 Spaghetticus wrote: Cheese scummy. rayn could be, do like koshi's points, although I'm not finding rayn as scummy this game as I normally do (found him scummy in two other games in which he was town).For context, could you quicklist your three biggest scumreads? Who do you consider confirmed town? I don't find any one post particularly scumtelling. Probably the biggest swing in my perception was when Storrzerg claimed noob. I haven't followed him up since, figuring his input has been fairly limited and if someone prompts me it won't take long to be up to date. Currently quite townie on risen, koshi. Neither has posted a particular thing that makes me super duper duper duper mega convinced they're town yet, though. | ||
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Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back. | ||
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Spaghetticus
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Until that point, it's not worth thinking about, let alone talking about. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 18 2013 01:30 Spaghetticus wrote: I think you should drop the assassin thing too. Unless you're putting infinite effort in and are experiencing a high degree of redundant cognitive action, there is no point in thinking about assassins given just how little influence they have on you finding scum. If there comes a time at which assassins look to have played a real part, then MAYBE it'll be worth considering. Until that point, it's not worth thinking about, let alone talking about. I wasn't the one who said "i have an assasin read on this guy" based on bad assumptions. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wasn't the one who said "i have an assasin read on this guy" based on bad assumptions. I don't even know why I was posting that message to. I saw someone saying not to talk about assassins, then someone say something about assassins. It was just a general "stop it". | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 18 2013 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: He also pokes at how your read on him changes, your scumreads in general, and possibly more. But those two have been mentioned, off the top of my head.Koshi'scase against me is "he didn't talk to me". That's dumb. Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back. | ||
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