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On November 18 2013 01:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:17 Spaghetticus wrote:
For context, could you quicklist your three biggest scumreads? Who do you consider confirmed town?
I don't find any one post particularly scumtelling. Probably the biggest swing in my perception was when Storrzerg claimed noob. I haven't followed him up since, figuring his input has been fairly limited and if someone prompts me it won't take long to be up to date. Cheese scummy. rayn could be, do like koshi's points, although I'm not finding rayn as scummy this game as I normally do (found him scummy in two other games in which he was town). Currently quite townie on risen, koshi. Neither has posted a particular thing that makes me super duper duper duper mega convinced they're town yet, though.
Cheese is pretty detached from the game.
Not just the low filter count just the posts in general.
This is interesting:
On November 16 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
BC would you like to be mayor?
Also what do you think of Skan?
No follow up either of why this is important to ask either.
There is potential here I think.
Rayn I haven't formed an opinion of yet. Hes been kinda present but I find I know he is posting but I can't recall what its about. This assassin talk reminds me of all that too.
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On November 18 2013 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was also instructing the assasins on how to win the game because it also helps town. In case they are as dumb as that guy who said assasins will play useless.
Go fuck yourself Rayn.
Obviously you found all the scum since you are hunting assassins.
So share..
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On November 18 2013 01:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi'scase against me is "he didn't talk to me". That's dumb.
Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back. He also pokes at how your read on him changes, your scumreads in general, and possibly more. But those two have been mentioned, off the top of my head.
I have no idea what's wrong in my scumreads in genaral, because noone has pointed it out. If you don't believe tham fine, keep on lynching townies then. Not my problem if people can't read because nobody even understood my case on HF while it's pretty clear.
My read on him is not based on what he says but how he says stuff. He's like.. not happy(?) in this game and town!Koshi is happy. idk what to think of him because at the end of D1 he was showing some of his normal town tells.
But anyways i can't read him if he keeps calling me scum for nothing, so i don't even try. Hoep he does something else though as now he's wasting the game on uselessness.
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On November 18 2013 01:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was also instructing the assasins on how to win the game because it also helps town. In case they are as dumb as that guy who said assasins will play useless. Go fuck yourself Rayn. Obviously you found all the scum since you are hunting assassins. So share..
idk where did you get the idea that i am hunting assasins because if i remember correctly you had an maybe assasin read on BH..
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On November 18 2013 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:33 austinmcc wrote:On November 18 2013 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi'scase against me is "he didn't talk to me". That's dumb.
Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back. He also pokes at how your read on him changes, your scumreads in general, and possibly more. But those two have been mentioned, off the top of my head. I have no idea what's wrong in my scumreads in genaral, because noone has pointed it out. If you don't believe tham fine, keep on lynching townies then. Not my problem if people can't read because nobody even understood my case on HF while it's pretty clear. My read on him is not based on what he says but how he says stuff. He's like.. not happy(?) in this game and town!Koshi is happy. idk what to think of him because at the end of D1 he was showing some of his normal town tells. But anyways i can't read him if he keeps calling me scum for nothing, so i don't even try. Hoep he does something else though as now he's wasting the game on uselessness.
From memory: the Koshi case involved his expectation of a town rayn to campaign a case until town accept it - at all costs.
I agree this didn't occur. Your statement above also corroborates that.
i think the point is valid.
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On November 18 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 01:36 Mocsta wrote:On November 18 2013 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was also instructing the assasins on how to win the game because it also helps town. In case they are as dumb as that guy who said assasins will play useless. Go fuck yourself Rayn. Obviously you found all the scum since you are hunting assassins. So share.. idk where did you get the idea that i am hunting assasins because if i remember correctly you had an maybe assasin read on BH..
Because you won't stop talking about whats in their best interests. Maybe hunting assassins wasnt the best choice of words.
Too tired right now to be fully coherent anyways.
Night. Will have to build this Grack case tomorrow. *sigh*
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Hmmm... I'm gonna go play some lol and mebe do me some personal HW.
I was feeling really enthusiastic, but I haven't gained traction and while now I'm better read, I haven't really found anything that's given me real insight.
I'll F5 the thread whenever I ADHD, so feel free to leave questions.
Mocsta how do you function at work when you go to bed so late?
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On November 18 2013 01:47 Spaghetticus wrote:
Hmmm... I'm gonna go play some lol and mebe do me some personal HW.
I was feeling really enthusiastic, but I haven't gained traction and while now I'm better read, I haven't really found anything that's given me real insight.
I'll F5 the thread whenever I ADHD, so feel free to leave questions.
Mocsta how do you function at work when you go to bed so late?
Last post.
I actaully play the majority of my mafia @ work lol.
Im only been playing late the past couple days cos I been flat out on the weekend with real life.
Good luck with ya studying, peace out.
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It's not just lack of posts or detachment. Follow the timeline of Cheesecake's posting:
FIRST SET
Cheese is on for 40ish minutes and pokes minorly at skan, asks that question of BC. You have a 40 minute period where he's following the thread, but barely interacting at all, and never in a meaningful Way to contribute anything. + Show Spoiler +On novemBer 16 2013 01:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hello good sirs, WhO may I ask is scum this game? 'Tis TRUE a few townreads are to be had; but scum be elusive, so sad! On novemBer 16 2013 01:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On novemBer 16 2013 01:21 Skanjab1s wrote:On novemBer 16 2013 01:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hello good sirs, WhO may I ask is scum this game? 'Tis TRUE a few townreads are to be had; but scum be elusive, so sad! Combine all townreads, eliminate the remainder, yes! Ahh, but sir, you are not yet amongst the townreads of Cornelius Cheesecake! Please do remedy thy status, or by virtue of good deed, elect me mayor. For then shall we see scum hanged by the neck. On novemBer 16 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
BC would you like to be mayor?
Also what do you think of Skan? On novemBer 16 2013 01:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I support BC, our fearless leader.
SECOND SET
5 hours later, Cheese is around for just 10ish minutes, from 6:12 to 6:23. He starts off with a trolly post about supersoft, indicating he's reading the thread right then (Super's post was 5 minutes old)On novemBer 16 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On novemBer 16 2013 06:07 supersoft wrote:
i suggest you reread the thread, convince yourself that I am town; and then you come back and we play as a team. Posts like this make me think Supersoft knows VE's alignment.
But he then references VE's lynch choices and yamato's BC read. On novemBer 16 2013 06:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I am very pleased with VEs choices of lynches. I can wholeheartedly support him in his endeavors. Why is BC abhorrent yamato, i dont mind him. Yamato had just put his BC read in thread, while VE's lynch choices are 30-40 minutes oldOn novemBer 16 2013 05:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Random Musings: The Bus-Ride to Work
STUFF
Grackaroni, StorrZerg, Sharrant, and Skanjab1s
SOME MORE STUFF This means (1) cheesecake Has been reading the thread, or caught himself up (he wasn't actively posting back when VE wrote that, yet he knows VE's choices); but (2) Cheese continues to have little/no Impact on thread, and not comment on anything else really.
THIRD SET
Cheese around 18ish minutes, 8:13-8:31. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 08:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lynch bait is a dude who is typically bad or lurks, often gets mislynched. Like stutters or sylencia, most newbs in larger games. On November 16 2013 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:VE/BC wombo combo for elections?  On November 16 2013 08:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I am but a plebian at your heels. On November 16 2013 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I have done nothing but say i like things why am i not suspicious?
LAST POSTOn November 16 2013 15:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I think Onegu might be svengali scum. Look at his post on HF, reeks of "I see you think HF is scum, allow me to poop on him some more" he also keeps mentioning that hes reading and hes here to be awesome amd do things, instead of posting relevant stuff.
love,
The Cheesecake
Onegu's post on HF, what I believe CC is referring to, is here - + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote:fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~ @ rayn's post earlier: HereYou claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why? You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum read S". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1. There is also: On November 15 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay ignoring Risen for the rest of D1. You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least. ____________________________________________________________________________ @rest of the town Also some other things that struck me as odd; Hopeless' start to the game: On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1. By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread. _____________________________________________________________________________________ I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed. + Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:
I'll vote anyone who makes their platform lynching rayn. You get modkilled for not voting. :p
What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually. On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.
The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta. Oats baby. Read my case again I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game. He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game.
Oats, shy are you so prickly this game.
Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous.Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 12:54 Mattchew wrote:
VE who shoudl i look at? Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game? He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts. Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like: On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum . Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time? ________________________________________________________ For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price? You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge I troll no further albeit tempting Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
What does scum matt look like then? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
Either way, he isn't here and I've linked all that needs to be linked. What do you think of rayn so far. I know you had some back and forths last game. Has your read on him improved because of hogwarts or not? Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions.
I have no problem with Cheese saying that looks like an opportunistic read, adding a little extra fuel to the HF fire. But Onegu's post was like 13 hours again. Again, cheese is reading through the thread. Either to catch up, or he's been following along. He calls Onegu out for mentioning that Onegu is reading and here to be awesome and do stuff, but not posting relevant stuff. Cheesecake is sometimes here, is reading, but doesn't post any really relevant stuff. It's always a one-off comment, then gone again, and the one-off comment is generally not super helpful, and often drags up something that was posted a while back, indicating he's following along with the game but not DOING anything with the game.
Those are the bits that bother me. He's here. He's read, because he pulls up specific posts from a while back. But he never says much, he never really impacts, and he'll sit for 20-40 minutes and never do another thing of any note. Disrike.
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On November 18 2013 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then lynch me. idgaf.
Just saw this.
KK. now last post.
Don't like this from you Rayn.
Night.
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austin the problem is Cheesecake is totally useless as town.
I don't think what you are saying makes him scum.
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Austin Lets play a game read your own filter and tell me what is missing, maybe compare it to a type of food. Im thinking a marshmellow do you agree? All fluff, looks good, but nothing of substance. You give your first scum read on page 6 of your filter. My note go like this for you. Wow very good at attepting to get people involved with questions. Good back and forth with people. Very detailed thought process. Very active. Wait there are no scum reads. Only gives town reads. Doesnt call anyone scum. Only scumread a lurker and "Rayn could be scum, but I have had him more scummy in his other town games"
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People Rayn is town.... But he should have a scum read on me...
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I can't have a scumread on you after the last game.
Well i can but as long as you are "helping me" i don't even care if you are scum.
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Actually sec Onegu, i gotta read the austin stuff you said.
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I feel I should have more than only 4 page filter atm :/ ok need to be more active.
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Anyway Im still finishing up my complete filter dives tonight, just finished austin.
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On November 18 2013 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can't have a scumread on you after the last game.
Well i can but as long as you are "helping me" i don't even care if you are scum.
And I feel I am playing this game better than witchcraft, which is why I feel people who have played with me often should have scum reads on me lol.
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Yeah austin has to be scum.
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