EPTRemember: consolidate the discussion... defend people you don't agree with the accusations on/don't think are scummy. That's the most important thing we can do to stop tunnel visioning.
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Balla24
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Remember: consolidate the discussion... defend people you don't agree with the accusations on/don't think are scummy. That's the most important thing we can do to stop tunnel visioning. | ||
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 guess we're just waiting for night actions now... Obzy get all your reads out there if you can..Not sure how helpful this is: 1.Tehpoofter - scummy 2.Balla24 - hi 3.onlywonderboy - neutral 4.nyxnyxnyx - town 5.Obzy - IC 6.Vonthin - scummy 7.Vanesco - town 8.E00e - town 9.StorrZerg - neutral leaning scummy 11.JonnyLaw - neutral leaning town 12.OdinOfPergo -town 13.cakemanofdoom -neutral leaning scummy but i'm bored atm waiting for dinner and don't feel like putting any real effort into thinking | ||
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First off: this is a VERY similar situation to last game.. IC left alive with a player considered townie being RB'ed and a strong townie killed off. Let me share my thoughts on why I did that last game, since I was the scum who made the choice, maybe thats what scum was thinking when they picked night actions as well: We didn't have a strong blue read, we thought the strong townie (Bereft) MIIIGHT be a role (cop) but we were very wrong about that.. there were 3 strong town players in the IC (Seuss), Bereft and Odin. Odin was being very very hypothetical and active which was generating a lot of discussion (much like he was on day1 in this game), so we killed him even though he was on the wrong track. Partially because Bereft had a read on some of us and we didn't want to kill him and look suspicious for it, but partially because we wanted to put some pressure on weak townies who odin was suspicious of. Now, in this game. Vanesco was mostly focused on Jonnylaw/cake after day1... but I was also focused on Jonnylaw... so the other person is cake: looking at who was onto cake, it was mostly only vanesco and tehpoofter... jonnylaw pressured him early but (i believe has a town read on him now) and they are both under the gun atm. My read of cake sees him lynching a target who is supicious of him kind of haphazardly. HOWEVER, there are other townies. I do think Vanesco could have been an attempted bluesnipe: he has been relatively careful with his reads and less active then I would expect him to be based on his analytical postings (he didn't want to get lynched). BUT, we also haven't talked about blue roles at all... nobody has soft-claimed or anything like that, which makes it incredibly incredibly hard to get a read on blue roles. Although, I was roleblocked (they thought I could be blue)... which makes me think it was NOT a blue snipe more then just trying to kill a strong townie similar to last game, because why Vanesco over me (no offense to vanesco and not to sound full of myself) unless they legitimately thought I was blue. We had similar reads, similar cases, but i've been keeping the town much more active and I was far more confirmed town then vanesco, a lot of people were calling me town, etc... Will give more later, friday night... will be back in a few hours but I have to cut it short here... | ||
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Balla24
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I agree.. posting lists is fucking terrible... only reason I did it was because I thought I might die and wanted Obzy to do the same.. I'm really mad Vonthin did it AGAIN actually when over the past 2 games its been established as useless and I already called him out on it. Regardless, I think i'd prefer to re-evaluate my E00 read. I called him town because I thought his posts were helpful, he was making his own opinions... and actively defending himself. He was fitting my profile of him from last game as well, where he was town. Same activity level too... again though I want to re-evaluate. | ||
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On November 02 2013 10:50 Balla24 wrote: Although, I was roleblocked (they thought I could be blue)... which makes me think it was NOT a blue snipe more then just trying to kill a strong townie similar to last game, because why Vanesco over me (no offense to vanesco and not to sound full of myself) unless they legitimately thought I was blue. We had similar reads, similar cases, but i've been keeping the town much more active and I was far more confirmed town then vanesco, a lot of people were calling me town, etc... Just quoting so I don't have to repeat myself: Why would mafia kill vanesco over me, and roleblock me? - They clearly thought I was blue (which is weird, because I feel I have given the complete opposite of a blue vibe this game if I'm looking at it from a mafia standpoint)... there's no way they would kill vanesco roleblock me if they had a higher blue read on vanesco, therefore I think he's not a blue snipe, and were trying to kill a useful townie Why kill vanesco over me? We had mostly the same reads... Cakeman was the only outlier.. I don't think vanesco was on to 2 mafia, not only is that unlikely but I am still leaning town on Jonny... I also don't think cakeman is assertive enough to be leading the team.. Let's look at the differences in our playstyles: - Vanesco had aggressive reads that he stuck with, not re-evaluating as much as I am. - Vanesco is less active then me, not questioning as much and overall he isn't influencing the pace of the thread. - Some people were still lightly suspicious of him, whereas a lot of the thread has called me town. For the second reason: I feel like the mafia leader is someone who is VERY comfortable being in an active town. It's not affecting the mafia team as much as I'd like... this leads me to believe StorrZerg is among the mafia team. IMO, he has the most experience, he often plays in person/on video which is super active and you have to think fast as mafia. I was expecting a LOT more from StorrZerg as a town player... but he's been very VERY underwhelming and is instead choosing to lurk heavily... he's not mentioning a LOT of players and is constantly questioning Jonny and I.. I also think that he will be less experienced with the roleblocker role, although this might be completely false, but the show he plays on and the crowd he plays with generally never use the roleblocker role. Notice how he puts light pressure on me at the beginning of day2, right after I've been roleblocked as if he's trying to hint that i'm not town when generally being roleblocked (with no claims) is a surefire way of confirming a townie. | ||
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On November 02 2013 13:01 cakemanofdoom wrote: I'm wondering why you voted after I asked you... you didn't decide to vote with your case, and not much should have changed after I asked. Balla, can you clarify your reasoning as to why you think there's a mafia who's experienced in an active town? Sure.. if killing active townies was a priority to them (killing people who were keeping the thread at a high pace) they would have killed me... simple as that. | ||
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On November 02 2013 13:08 Vonthin wrote: I think he is trying to blend in, hasn't had any good reads and hasn't done much besides talk about meta and calling out lurkers when he is a lurker himself No offense, but you haven't had an abundance of good reads either. Let's get that E00 reasoning please. Storr asked you for it a while ago.. | ||
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On November 02 2013 16:36 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i think it was something i read in the quicktopic about how we should think about why people say the things they do, rather than the things they actually say. you seem ok, not quite sure how to put it in words. ugh.... don't talk about coaching... its a good thing this is super ambiguous | ||
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On November 03 2013 04:22 StorrZerg wrote: what claim? and if a town blocked you why would they claim... that just outs a blue role for no reason I never actually thought about it that much, but in the past 2 games ive played its been established for that reason. I'm also just assuming its a mafia RB'er because there's literally no reason for a town RB to RB me... Also, there has been nobody else claiming getting RB'ed, which means there is no counter-claims to me getting mafia RB'ed. So you're right, there's no reason to believe its not a town RB... but it isn't.. it'd be retarded right? | ||
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My behavior is only identical if you look at it directly. I am doing everything like 3x more at least. I have to be much more careful as scum with my reads, I'm not being careful here. All I'm doing is posting my thoughts as they come to me. But seriously, why are you poking me Jonny...? Doesn't make sense and doesn't fit my read on you... are you still angry? I've tried to move past all that but every time you post it makes it harder for me not to look at you. If july flipped scum, I would have been almost positive you were scum. Him flipping town gains us less information. But it makes me more certain of you as town. I believe it incriminates Storr at least a little bit since it seems like he randomly picked a lurker, and he left his vote on him throughout almost the entire 48hrs even though there were other cases being brought up. Why wouldn't he be considering other targets? He only starts really posting his reads on night1 after July was dead. Why would he not take his vote off once he sees how weak of a player July is unless he was purposefully picking on a weak player? There can be more too, but our argument got in the way of discussing the flip and now there is more pressing information like the night actions and current lynch targets... | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:05 JonnyLaw wrote: There isn't necessarily a mafia role blocker, correct? No... however it is very likely, especially considering I was roleblocked. You need to drop this now... | ||
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More of a underlying false hope I guess since a cop in my games have never gotten a red check yet T_T | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:16 StorrZerg wrote: I see no reason to lynch balla to see if he was actually role blocked... could he be mafia saying this? sure could he be town saying this? sure Him flipping would tell us quite a bit regarding if a mafia has a role blocker. I see no point lynching him today, to see if he lied about being role blocked. This information will be available to us when balla flips regardless. He is being far to active in this game while we have far to many inactive players to even consider lynching him today. WTF............................. Are you guys serious right now? Why aren't you believing me? This is unreal... Storr this is super scummy to me.... if I even come close to a lynch and i WAS town RB'ed then you will get the town RB to come out. If i was MAFIA RB'ed then nobody will claim and I will get lynched. You even suggesting lynching me is so so so ridiculously weird.... | ||
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