EPTyeah I can go into more detail on E00e scummy and Balla town soon
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
yeah I can go into more detail on E00e scummy and Balla town soon | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
First off: this is a VERY similar situation to last game.. IC left alive with a player considered townie being RB'ed and a strong townie killed off. Let me share my thoughts on why I did that last game, since I was the scum who made the choice, maybe thats what scum was thinking when they picked night actions as well: We didn't have a strong blue read, we thought the strong townie (Bereft) MIIIGHT be a role (cop) but we were very wrong about that.. there were 3 strong town players in the IC (Seuss), Bereft and Odin. Odin was being very very hypothetical and active which was generating a lot of discussion (much like he was on day1 in this game), so we killed him even though he was on the wrong track. Partially because Bereft had a read on some of us and we didn't want to kill him and look suspicious for it, but partially because we wanted to put some pressure on weak townies who odin was suspicious of. Now, in this game. Vanesco was mostly focused on Jonnylaw/cake after day1... but I was also focused on Jonnylaw... so the other person is cake: looking at who was onto cake, it was mostly only vanesco and tehpoofter... jonnylaw pressured him early but (i believe has a town read on him now) and they are both under the gun atm. My read of cake sees him lynching a target who is supicious of him kind of haphazardly. HOWEVER, there are other townies. I do think Vanesco could have been an attempted bluesnipe: he has been relatively careful with his reads and less active then I would expect him to be based on his analytical postings (he didn't want to get lynched). BUT, we also haven't talked about blue roles at all... nobody has soft-claimed or anything like that, which makes it incredibly incredibly hard to get a read on blue roles. Although, I was roleblocked (they thought I could be blue)... which makes me think it was NOT a blue snipe more then just trying to kill a strong townie similar to last game, because why Vanesco over me (no offense to vanesco and not to sound full of myself) unless they legitimately thought I was blue. We had similar reads, similar cases, but i've been keeping the town much more active and I was far more confirmed town then vanesco, a lot of people were calling me town, etc... Will give more later, friday night... will be back in a few hours but I have to cut it short here... | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I agree.. posting lists is fucking terrible... only reason I did it was because I thought I might die and wanted Obzy to do the same.. I'm really mad Vonthin did it AGAIN actually when over the past 2 games its been established as useless and I already called him out on it. Regardless, I think i'd prefer to re-evaluate my E00 read. I called him town because I thought his posts were helpful, he was making his own opinions... and actively defending himself. He was fitting my profile of him from last game as well, where he was town. Same activity level too... again though I want to re-evaluate. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
This being the deciding vote on the lynch, and we know Vanesco was town this imo is a good thing. I do believe that town had good intentions on the lynch, we decided to group up on a lynch. I do believe it was a town lead lynch (i helped lead the lynch with the initial vote.) @onlywonderboy, correct me if i'm wrong, you had been unable to change your vote closer to the deadline correct? Will you be active during the next lynch closer to the dead line? Odin is the 8th, he goes from Cake, to JonnyLaw, to July Jonny is the last vote, who goes from vans (poor accusation that gets shot down), to odin, and then to july (who he knew was obviously town) My question to odin and especially jonny is "why did you guys switch when the vote was locked?" imo it was pretty clear that july was going to get lynched specially when jonny switched unless july claimed a blue role. and if he didn't claim, and someone switched off him, it would look super scummy yes? So why did you two feel the need to put your vote on and specially @jonny complain about it after? | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
On November 02 2013 10:42 Vonthin wrote: Only thing preventing me from voting for him is if he was mafia why kill the person who was putting the most heat on him? Wouldn't that make him even more suspicious then he already was before Van died? i was thinking this, but i wanted jonny to defend himself before mentioning this. Vans pressured several people, so if this is the case several people have been "marked" Should also look to see who vans thought was town and why. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
@obzy You didn't like my comment that Odin was our best lynch even if he was town because he doesn't contribute. There's a 25% chance we lynch scum day 1. On july I felt it was closer to 10% chance and on Odin closer to 50%. July's play made no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't know what you're missing here. @Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this. Honestly, I'm getting tired of everyone here. No one makes an analytic read of the voting process at all. Do you guys even try to win? I gave some people in this thread of the benefit of the doubt. But, apparently I'm dumb enough to snipe someone who's calling me out. Oh well, I'm gonna read the filters and compare times. I'll post more later. By the way, Obzy you're awful at this game. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
@obzy Oh yeah, why do you say that it's scummy for me to want E00e before July? E00e called out odin hard and fast. If he's scum odin isn't. It's simple. Sure I think Odin is scummy but again it's not 100% certain especially on day 1. At least there's easy info to be gained. They were both just clearly superior lynches and you were the deciding factor in getting july lynched. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
You realize you're just taking the bait by trying to vote me scum. If you're scum, who better to kill than a guy who's making aggressive posts about other town players. I mean I have no problem being accused of scum you'd be silly not to consider all options. But, you're being misled by a simple play from the mafia players. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote: @Vonthin What the fuck are you talking about? I said july was a bad lynch when he had 3 votes and odin had ONE. I said that the entirety of the lynching process. I said he was maybe the third best option we had at one point and changed my mind from even that before he was lynched. @obzy You didn't like my comment that Odin was our best lynch even if he was town because he doesn't contribute. There's a 25% chance we lynch scum day 1. On july I felt it was closer to 10% chance and on Odin closer to 50%. July's play made no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't know what you're missing here. @Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this. Honestly, I'm getting tired of everyone here. No one makes an analytic read of the voting process at all. Do you guys even try to win? I gave some people in this thread of the benefit of the doubt. But, apparently I'm dumb enough to snipe someone who's calling me out. Oh well, I'm gonna read the filters and compare times. I'll post more later. By the way, Obzy you're awful at this game. You are right my bad, I missed the post about you saying his posts were erratic and not sure on voting for him, the second one I see was when he had 6 so thats where I got my theory of. I still don't like your early case on Odin. But yeah after seeing that post and with what I said and what you said about killing someone who was majorly calling you out is making me think you are town, still somewhat suspicious but not as sure as before. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
you don't' need to act like this. you can get your points across with out being so negative. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
@storr Yeah, you're right. It's been a long week and my tolerance for people is very low at the moment. I'm not helping anyone by being so abrasive. Honestly I think Obzy's mad I said I told you so! I'm acting like an entitled twelve year old. I'll crack down and get something accomplished. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 02 2013 10:27 StorrZerg wrote: Yeah, after reading the filter i personally didn't feel anything "blue" about him. He read as a strong town that was actively pushing objectives. I'm not advocating we follow his dieing words exactly, but i think its a great start to how we should look to pressure today. also imo posting a list of the names, and "town" or "scum" "idk" with out any reasons isn't necessarily good thing. it really doesn't help town and its pretty easy to do as mafia, and kind of "slide" with "lists" if you are going to give a list, a sentence or two on each person would really be beneficial Agreed somewhat - but I think the reason people don't like list posts is because it's a way to pretend to contribute without actually giving any meaningful information. I'm confirmed town, Balla has given quite a large amount of information already.. Vonthin's list is a little sketchier. Regarding Van being blue - I assumed that he was due to this post here, where he assumes that there cannot be merely 2 mafia alone - if only one non-T was rolled, we could have just two mafia. Since I'm M, unless he was blue or scum, he couldn't have known that there weren't two mafia. (it was probably just a miscalculation ^^ but I didn't want to draw attention to it in case he was blue slipping.) If Van wasn't a bluesnipe, then I'd naturally conclude that he was acting in a townie manner and/or was on the right track [both of which I currently think are somewhat true, at least.] + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 02 2013 11:08 JonnyLaw wrote: @obzy Oh yeah, why do you say that it's scummy for me to want E00e before July? E00e called out odin hard and fast. If he's scum odin isn't. It's simple. Sure I think Odin is scummy but again it's not 100% certain especially on day 1. At least there's easy info to be gained. They were both just clearly superior lynches and you were the deciding factor in getting july lynched. On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote: If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract. This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head. "hard and fast." ?? I don't get it. This feels like a very light accusation. I mean, the very first thing in E00e's filter is calling you out - On October 31 2013 00:58 E00e wrote: I dont agree with JonnyLaw about Vanesco at all. Jonnys' accusations seem forced and I dont feel bad about Vanesco. I agree with the scummy things about cakeman. I wonder why Jonny said that a plan to catch scum should be formed but then did not try to form a plan. I dont like people saying they are town as it is obvious why everyone would say that and nothing is gained from saying it in a written game. Off topic: What is mafia daily and where do I find it? Somehow, this doesn't apply, it's only because of an incredibly weak connection with Odin. Reaching at best. Lazy at worst. Regardless, it's not a good connection, and you've brought it up multiple times; and I think I even answered it already. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On November 01 2013 02:42 cakemanofdoom wrote: ##Unvote Tehpoofter ##Vote: July617 I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July. Remember he is the second player to vote for July. He's convincing us that people feel that way about July. This post feels wrong. I reread the thread three pages before this one. Balla wants to vote for me. I said I'd rather vote E00e, poofter or odin and also asked July to post something of substance. Obzy said he'd be "okay" with a july vote. Other than that and storr's vote there's not a lot of talk about July as a potential lynch candidate yet. Cakeman what made you think that more people were okay with the July lynch? You knew you had at least two other votes up your sleeve or what? | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On November 01 2013 04:53 E00e wrote: As I said I will be around for now and I already said who I would like to lynch the most so I dont feel like my vote is important right now, but here it is: ##vote: OdinOfPergo That was five hours after Odin's first post in the thread. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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