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lol i just had to do it. :D | ||
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On October 28 2013 06:16 Crossfire99 wrote: Lol. Let me create a voting thread before I forget. I'll edit the link here when finished. Pandain not voting in the voting thread. Totally scum. | ||
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Because i am the fucking Baws! | ||
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Undelegate marvellosity and fuck me.. :E | ||
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On October 28 2013 06:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yeah sure why not. I do like to twerk, and I'd rather cater to marv than koshi, who seems to have disappeared. wtf is this reasoning? | ||
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I am the one who posts "1", so i doubt. :D | ||
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I have no idea. We'll probably see soon. | ||
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I didn't have to be #1!!! | ||
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On October 28 2013 07:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ##0 #yolo Oh god i am scared. | ||
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On October 28 2013 07:22 marvellosity wrote: no, I don't have a PM. Let me know if you got one, if you don't, i'll do what iwas supposed to do. | ||
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Also is Candyman buddying Koshi in your opinion? What are you doing PAndain? | ||
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On October 28 2013 08:01 Pandain wrote: Rayn, assuming there is at least one mafia here(even me), who do you think is mafia. And why. I have no idea if anyone here is mafia yet. How exactly am i buddying marv? And how do you even know i used a power on him? | ||
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having just played mafia 4x in a row Which games were those? I remember ony 3. | ||
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- I want you to tell me how exactly am i buddying marv? I want you to explain how do you even know if i used a power or not? I want you to explain how my possible power use makes me scum when you don't even seem to be having a clue why i used my power on marv if i in fact did so? - I also want you to exlain, as you said, about WoS: One it's an introduction that feels like something I would make as mafia, having just played mafia 4x in a row. Weird trying to introduce yourself, some content that is content but not actually useful. You say this post has no content and you imply this is something that's scummy. How is this different from other people's posting so far? You said it yourself, it's not, based on the content. - Then the question remains: it's the way in which people post instead of what they post You have never said why WoS' post makes you think he is scummy. The only reason you give is this: mafia don't just want to let town post amongst themselves. So there are going to be some mafia who want to make a presence without real shit - Again, why is WoS' post scummy compared to other posters? What are these "scum tendencies" you notice here? | ||
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Pandain is making assumptions that are based on absolutely nothing because he has no idea what my power is and he has no idea why i used my power on who i used it on. | ||
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On October 28 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: Why would you use your power, however. I don't care about you fucking up. Why reveal it to Marv, or at least its effects, when you don't know his alignment? You do not need to know that. I'll tell everyone when people need to know that. Let's say it helps me figuring out marv's alignment, more than it helps me out figuring Koshi's alignment atm. | ||
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On October 28 2013 08:52 Pandain wrote: I don't want your role, I think it's suspicious for a blue to reveal its effects to an unverified character. You can't possibly say that if you do not know the effects. | ||
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Rayn, I assume your power which you used on Marv either makes him your mason or gives him powers. Why did you have enough of a town read on him to give him powers? Or is it masoning? I still would rather not talk about it. It does not help anyone to figure out either of our alignment atm. Also Prome & Oats, Pandain does tryhard as both alignments, it's not alignment indicative from him. I know how to read Pandain, and you can't possibly tell which alignment he is atm. On October 28 2013 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah I think marv is town for mainly that post and the fact that he didnt come out guns blazing. Since when has marv came out guns blazing as scum? | ||
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On October 28 2013 12:51 Promethelax wrote: Because sent's only goal this whole game has been to power himself up and hasn't cared about anyone's alignment at all or tried to do anything but get his power from the hosts? Why do you think i wanted to power him up? Now he has to do something with his power, prove that it's something that's actually useful on D1 (as he wanted it to power up and din't stop us), then he has to scumhunt. | ||
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I found it odd that he came in saying "power me up", then when people actually did that he says this: On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote: I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free. Why? Oats is right here, if you are town, why would you possibly not want people to power you up? Or if you have a reason for it, why bring up the "power me like this" in the first place? | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:07 HotCottonCandy wrote: I don't plan on leaving it up to chance so don't really care. Unless he does something seriously amazing for town or starts playing beastly I plan to see what his role is by night. What does this mean? He has to use it either way unless i am wrong. | ||
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Yeah you might be right about marv Prome. It just felt odd to me to ask something and when people do it then say "no don't". Do you think Oats is scum? | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:15 Promethelax wrote: Rayn, you powered up Marv and sent but not koshi, oats or I. You say you powered sent to force him to play. Why did you power Marv? Why did you not power the other three? I powered marv purely because of his "actually i am not sure if you should power me yet" comment. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:17 Promethelax wrote: I dont know. And that worries me. He is talking out of his ass and spouting nonsense but he could easily be town doing that. Given that he is intentionally antagonizing me and I know I'm town and I know he regards me highly I give him a slight town lean over all. It's not based on his play in the least though. All mentality all day. You mean he would not likely attack you in case he was scum? Or that points towards him being town more than scum? | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:26 Seuss wrote: I really don't like that he jumped on the countdown train, or any of the other power trains for that matter. It seems thoughtless at best. Similarly his accidental use of his power is concerning. Maybe he got caught up in the heat of the power craze, but we don't really know what was going on there. In terms of post content, he asks a lot of questions, but then that seems to be the basic mode of operation for a lot of people (including you, though to a lesser extent). Still, he seems to ask more than others and with less context, and his post volume can make him difficult to follow. His answers are very short, which isn't to my liking (can you tell I'm the verbose type?). Maybe that's another style thing I'm unaware of because I haven't played with you all before. So I've got a slight scum read on him. I'm not going that hard on anyone yet because everything just seems like a giant mess at the moment. Could you elaborate on how, at this point of the game, this makes anyone scum? What am i supposed to explain in my posts? Some non-existent reads with little justification? Or what? If you don't understand my thought process you should probably ask me about it. | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:30 Promethelax wrote: And why did you choose to not power the other three? I the resting sues, I can't say I agree with you but I like you. Thoughts on Marv. Pandain, talk to me about Rayn, why is your vote on him? What were you hoping to accomplish by announcing your return to the thread and if you had to pick one of the people who claims to need to be powered up which would you power up! Okay so here is it in full. marv came up in thread with this: On October 28 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote: So... I'm going to need a bunch of you to ##twerk for me at some point. :/ Then he says this: On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote: I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to. And this: On October 28 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote: There's a somewhat subtle aspect to it that makes me want to leave it until later in the day, because in part it relies on my reads on players. rayn thought process: "marv needs people to power him up. There are other people who also needs powering up. Let's power marv up, especially when he suddenly doesn't want people to power him up, maybe... This is what most likely happens: (1) marv is town, he does good stuff with his powers (2) if he does bad stuff with his powers, or suddenly does not have a power-up power at all, he is probably scum (3) something else, we gain info" Now i do not trust Koshi's (or anyone's else's) ability to do good stuff on D1 or N1 with their power in this game other than you, myself, and marv (no offense to anyone). I also powered up Sentinel because his power would be incredibly easy to fake as scum. "Hey guys, i only need 14 "votes" on me and then i can do good". I really want to know what he does, at worst, he is scum and something bad happens, but it's one time use (as he claimed - if he is lying, we lynch him) and i wanted to confirm that he is not lying and make him burn his power asap because he apparently thinks it's best to use now as he didn't oppose the powering. It gives me a much better read on him based on what the power is. That being said: ##yolo Promethelax | ||
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On October 28 2013 13:48 Seuss wrote: ---- Okay. I didn't say it made you scum, just that I got a slight scum read. It's not like I went "QED rayn scum" and slammed a vote in your face. Your post that most stood out to me was this one: I'll be honest and say this could be a perfectly reasonable position, and you could argue that Pandain might be trying to trap you, but it's still a short answer that doesn't say anything. The second question is also pretty bleh. It's obvious to any observer that you used a power on marvellosity and immediately unused it. Up until this point you didn't even try and pan it off as anything other than an "oops", and suddenly you're being all coy about it. Questioning basic assumptions isn't the scummiest thing in the world, but in this case you just looked flippant and shady. I'd be interested to hear more on that point. wow wow wow buddy. I don't understand the "Pandain might be trying to trap you", could you elaborate what you mean? I was totally not buddying marv, in fact it was the opposite as i just explained rofl. Now, how is that "clear for everyone that i used a power on marv"? Why can't i just type like ##kill Seuss , did i use a power on you now? Pandain somehow seems to know that i used a power on him, what's wrong with the question? Because if Pandain is scum he would know i am town and townies usually do not lie about using powers. | ||
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That's why the point he brings on me is extremely ridicuous. | ||
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You look kinda town though, case on Pandain is <3 | ||
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Pandain and Prome, time to elaborate. | ||
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Pandain voted for me before i used a power on marv. Based on this: On October 28 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Incinerate: Koshi lol i just had to do it. :D Could you just read Oats' case on Pandain and comment on it? And read Pandain's case on me, and my response to it and comment on it aswell. I have answered everything Pandain has brought up against me in thread. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:15 Pandain wrote: Which for future reference is a bad move to power up someone on a single scum/town tell. Furthermore you should know that Marv or any player should be ideally good enough as scum to not outright advocate power-upping themselves. Could you actually read the thread before commenting on stuff? If you have read the thread already you are probably scum because of this post. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:17 Pandain wrote: I mean I thought it was a real power and it sounded deadly against Koshi. What was I supposed to do? Did it ever occur to you that i am not bad enough to use "deadly power" on someone based on 1 post? | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:20 Promethelax wrote: I'm not sure I can be clearer, I think you are town lets out a number to it (this will make the rest of this example easier to show you) I'm 65% sure you are town. There is a 35% chance you are scum. I believe that the way you would use a power role as scum would benefit your team at least twice as much as the way you using your power role as town would benefit your team. Thus I chose not to power you up because I felt the cost benefit analysis suggested that voting you would be more helpful to scum than to town. Rayn, weigh In Here, am I being clear? Y/n Yes, and i think you think alike me regarding the powers. Could you give me an updated read on Pandain? | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:30 Promethelax wrote: I could but its too early to be clear with each other. Lets play a game: This post is the one I find most alignment indicative Tell me why and which alignment I think he is Based on the context and my thoguht process at that time i do not find that post alignment indicative at all. If there was something alignment indicative in that post, to me it would be that Pandain for some reason at first refused to give out the game (i am not sure if he did figure out what i was after in the first place) -- and that would point towards him being scum. But i do not think it's the case here. Why do you think that post is alignment indicative and to which direction? | ||
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Either you totally bullshitted and bullshitted for three posts which I couldn't know you were lying or it's super obvious that you used a power on Marv. Pandain why are you using this as a reasoning to why i am scum when it's clear that you voted for me because of my earlier "power use" that should have been an obvious joke for you? | ||
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If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right.. ##Vote: Pandain | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:53 Pandain wrote: It's more emotion posting in me late at night. Even as town you're supposed to appear town, it doesn't matter really what you know you are. And I've posted, I don't think bad, but too early and people jumped on it and I don't like being under suspicion especially late at night when I'm emotional. Going to go afk and sleep, I'll be back tomorrow. I hope you shape up if you are town. Atm this does not look neither your town games nor your scum games, but it does not change the fact your posts are bad and your suspicions are based on nothing and to me it seems like you are contradicting yourself and posting stuff and making cases just for the sake of doing so. | ||
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On October 28 2013 14:57 Promethelax wrote: That isn't what I'd pick up On There. Look instead at the fact that he posted it to avoid suspicion, like I said. Scum doing something that doesn't matter to look townie, I am not voting for him for that post. I am voting for him because of what i just said. I think the post you brought up is not alignment indicative at all. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:02 OOHCHILD wrote: I am about to start to read the thread for the first time. Will I enjoy it? I dunno, tell us when you've caught up. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:03 Promethelax wrote: Lol, I was about to suggest we all vote WoS because he went to sleep. Rayn: look in his explanation that you quoted. His reasoning is non townie. To avoid suspicion is crap, Explain it to me like i am 5yr old, i don't get what you mean tbh? | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:09 Promethelax wrote: Panda bear man say he no want to be looked at mean, if panda bear man is green he doesn't care but pa da bear man is red and cares about his image. He doesn't want people to think he is bad panda bear man. Yes i get that's what you are saying. What i do not get is why would Pandabearguy as mafia think he looks worse if he refuses to post the game? | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:22 Promethelax wrote: Because mafia. You get a little nervous and you act out of character for a townie. Oats: I think so. Why did you decide to give me power? Okay so here are the possibilities i see: (1) Pandain is town: I am accusing him of something he does not understand. He thinks i misread his meta from that game (as he said it does not apply to his overall meta) and i might make a case on him about something that is incorrect and not alignment indicative. However, when i push him to give the game out he realizes that looks worse on him if he does not give out the game, and he might get (incorrectly) accused of it. Him being a suspect for incorrect reasoning does not help the town, town is looking into wrong places and wasting time for stupid misunderstanding. (2) Pandain is scum: What you said. Now i think both of the possibilities are equally likely. Why do you think (2) is more likely than (1), because as either alignment Pandain's explanation for the game thingy is the same, and it makes as much sense regarding (1) than it does regarding (2)? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433560 You place your vote there in format [ b ]##Vote: Playername[ /b ] (without the spaces - so it's bolded). Usually it's reasonable to post your vote in this game thread aswell so people can keep up with the current votes without having to read both of the threads. You could also give your reasoning for voting for Pandain here, plox. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:57 OOHCHILD wrote: I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I have an important question for those who have not yet fully claimed. Could your power belong to either town or mafia? Mine could. I would like to ask a counter-questions (which should answer yours aswell). What would be a role that could not possibly be a role for both alignments? Also why is this so important? | ||
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I don't have a good reason to read it as two but not one, its just how I read the situation. So how does that make Pandain scum again? I am not following you.. OOHCHILD: I would rather hear you giving us some reads than talk about mechanics, although i do not understand why do you want to shut down this discussion like Prome said. So could you answer him and then also give some reads on people. There has been a lot going on in thread. What do you make of it? | ||
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On October 28 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote: This really is a bad post rayn. At best you're making things out to be not what they actually are; why I don't know. You say I came in saying "power me up". Well: Yes, I say that I'm going to need powering me up, but I literally do not ask people to power me up at that juncture. I specifically say "at some point". Why not bring it up? At some point, I will need people to ##twerk for me. It's very simple. Might as well mention it now, so it doesn't come as a shock to people later in the day. You then ask why I would possibly not want people to power me up? Well... That's also been answered already. Why are you throwing suspicion on me for stuff that's already pretty clear in the thread, rayn? Because you go from this: On October 28 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote: I have certain abilities at night that I can use based on how many people ##Twerk for me during the day. I think I'd rather deal with it a bit later in the day though, although I'm not going to stop anyone doing it if they want to. ...to this: On October 28 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote: I would genuinely rather people didn't twerk right now btw, despite saying a little bit ago that people can feel free. in 20 min, and inbetween here i do twerk you, and Sentinel does twerk you. Like you are okay with people twerking you but when people actually do it you don't want it anymore. | ||
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On October 28 2013 18:46 Koshi wrote: rayn, tell me if I am scum for the reason Prom said out that conversation with Oats. Why am I scum for saying he is 3p because both alignments can power him up? As if town can only power themselves up by town votes? Like how the fuck does town know that? I do not think you are scum because of the conversation. But do you think Prome is scum or not? | ||
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On October 28 2013 18:55 marvellosity wrote: All this means is that I hadn't thought it through completely yet. And that I didn't expect anyone to actually go ahead and do it without me specifically asking them to. Can you even conceive of a mafia motivation why I'd, in general terms, ask for something, and then kinda back off wanting it after someone does it? Because that's kinda what you're suggesting, and it's incredibly weak. To me it sounded like "i might need someone to do something for me at some point, but if you want to do this now, go ahead". In the first place that does not sound townie at all. Okay, you might bring that up as town, you might aswell bring that up as mafia (because why not, regardless of alignment). I do not know why you would however bring that up as either alignment if you had not thought it through. If you had to bring that up as soon as possible (why would you?), why not then advice people with "please, do not do that yet" in the first place, before people actually start doing twerking? Also why did you not say - when we included your name (incorrect action) - "STOP, DON'T DO IT YET" if it was somehow harmful? | ||
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On October 28 2013 19:05 Promethelax wrote: I had a similar reaction to marv's on reading the small print in my role pm. You'll note that moment was when I told Marv to not ##yolo me. I assume he has similar mechanics at work in his role and you, Rayn, have to trust me on this one: it makes sense, Well if marv is town, this is true, and i fucked up something i am sorry. But i base my actions on what i know, not on what i do not know as i can't unfortunately possibly do that. | ||
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On October 28 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote: Why not? I see no reason to force things 12 hours or so into the game. I've said what I want to say for now. Weird that you're having a go at me for this when in Hogwarts Mocsta+Hopeless+possibly others had a big go at me for "only" talking about revealing houses when a bunch of other stuff had gone on in the thread. So i guess your reads from what i have gathered so far are scumread on Seuss, townread on Prome and idk on everyone else you commented on? There is this Pandabearguy who currently has three votes on him. Do you have anything to say about him atm? | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont actually think he will play scum the same way as he did previously, that was a long time ago, but this game fits a lot into town marv. He doesnt wanna talk about people he doesnt want to talk about. i dunno, its hard to express for me. But it doesnt feel like marv is trying to trick us into powering him up. I just read scum!marv and town!marv D1's and this apathy of his does not fit into each one of them. Then i read Catch 22 and it doesn't fit into there. I have no fucking idea what to think. 4th party? Since when has marv not commented on the leading lynch candidate in no way as any alignment? marv what do you you want to talk about? Or are you just going to watch what happens and then what? And why? | ||
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On October 28 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: why dont you read his more recent games? What, i read Hogwarts and Golden Sun D1's. If there is more recent town/scum games from him feel free to point them out. Afaik marv has not rolled 3p since Catch 22... On October 28 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Also Rayn, what apathy? That he doesnt want to talk about Pandain? He does this shit in every game. He does not comment on what me & you have said about Pandain. He does not comment on Prome's weird "gut scum read on Pandain with no real reasoning". He does not really do anything about his suspicion on Seuss. He points out something that looks bad but doesn't really follow that up in any way. In fact all his posts just point out something without actually trying to do anything to form a better read on anyone (barring WoS - maybe). He just *is* here, but he is not doing anything. | ||
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WaveofShadow why did you not say at any point, that you disagree with marv's reasoning about Prome being town and how does that not make sense? Why you just skip over the post and not address it in any way? I agree what's been said about Clarity, his case on Oats makes no sense given Oats' play this game and their history. If anything, Oats could be scum for making more sense than usual, but the reasons Clarity brings up are definitely bullshit. ^^ Another thing that bothers me is Seuss. When he last left the building, we had an argument going on. He never answered me after he got back. So hey Seuss, i think we got something going on between us and i think it's your turn to say something. Prome, what do you think of marv's reasoning on you being town? Do you think he is right in what he says? I also agree with what's been said about Koshi. He's really "quiet" and doesn't seem to be trying to do anything... On an unrelated note (and i just post this because this is what has been bothering me in mafia sonce forever): + Show Spoiler + On October 28 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: This is the attempt I'm going to make to reach out to you. I'm doing so under the assumption that you're a new(er) player. Firstly, and it's been mentioned already, there is absolutely no reason to shut down discussion like you have here. If you're town, then being open and frank about your thought process is an exceedingly good way to prove your alignment, which is obviously a pretty damn important thing. Secondly, you have absolutely no reason to condescend to someone like you've done here. It might be vaguely understandable if you were a known excellent player who had the clout to condescend, but you aren't (as far as I'm aware). There is literally no benefit to belittle rayn like this while he is trying to question you. My problem with you, and it's a large one, is this. On one hand you are doing: 1) telling people how they will have conversations with you, arrogantly condescending to you and on the other hand you are doing this: 2) going "oh gosh, i want to vote for this player, how do I do it hehehehe?" (my sexy paraphrasing) This is a pretty unfortunate mix of arrogance and playing the newbie card. If you're town, shape up. Goddamn marv, i envy you. Purely because these kinda posts are the reason that makes me understand why you are listened in these games and i am not. | ||
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On October 29 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote: It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure. I am not sure what you mean by this? Do you mean me and Koshi should be pressuring each other? Or do you mean we should read each other as town? I really don't know what "all up in each other's butt" mean. | ||
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On October 29 2013 04:21 Koshi wrote: I think he is saying that we have different opinions this game and that it is likely that we will be more likely fighting than working together. Which I doubt is true and I don't understand why he says that because I have been reaching out to rayn. Last guy that was trying to come between rayn and Koshi was Vayne in Golden Sun. Just saying, just saying. I actually already wrote a more agressive post regarding this but deleted it because i was not sure what WoS does mean. If this is the truth then WoS looks really bad. He is implying something we "should be doing" without saying if it's scummy or townie or whatever. Like saying "i find it odd these guys are not doing XYZ like they usually do in situation ABC" without really saying what it means. | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: The bolded part. I especially stated i am not talking about my power use on marv (like Oats pointed out aswell - Pandain called out my first obvjoke). About the power use. Pandain should know, that if anyone in this game, i am able to fake this kinda stuff. My question to you still stands (same thing i asked from Pandain). Why is he calling me out on something that he can't even know what it means. There is no possible way he can know what power i used on marv. Like Prome said it earlier, what if it is a mason power? Why bring up something that you can't possibly say is alignment indicative given the information you have available? To me it looks like he is calling me out for the sake of calling me out. There is absolutely no reason anyone should think i am scum because of i used a power on marv, as you can't possibly tell what the power in question is. That's a fact and i do not know why Pandain makes a case on me based on that (and other stupid stuff) and why you do feel the same. goddamn. for filter. | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote: By itself your use of a power on marv is not proof of scumhood, it's just a point of data. Like it or not, it's going to fit into the narrative of raynpelikoneet for the rest of the game. It stands out amongst everything else you've done because it's an actual use of power and marv is going to reap the consequences or benefits tonight. I don't think anyone can make a case against you solely based on that, but you're probably going to be hearing a lot about it as the game goes on. Thanks for clarifying that you didn't succeed in cancelling it by the way. Although it would likely have come out tomorrow anyway, it's useful information. Of course it's a point of data. Everything is a point of data. Do you think a scum player would be more likely to out their power to someone who is town? Or do you think we are both scum with marv? Why would i as scum make a possibly target of myself regarding my power and uses of it (in case you think marv is town). How does that make sense? In case i am scum and marv is town i have given out my power and i will be held responsible of how i use it. I have no way to fuck up the town with it, i must do what's in town's best interest regarding my power and if i fail i will get lynched for it. So why is this again scummy for you in the first place? | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:38 Pandain wrote: In that post you praised Marvs posts and basically promoted it as an example of good town play. Scum dont want that to happen yet for reasons stated. I don't actually mean buddying I mean being friendly to The fact is you said very early on i buddied up to marv (which was incorrect), and now the spoiler you brought up is nothing alignment indicative from marv. It is a good post bet he is capable of doing that as either alignment, i like how the post presents things. And that's not buddying, it's just saying i can see why marv is good at convincing people and i lack something he has got because i doubt i could never make a post like that. That post does not to me look like a very townie post, it looks like a very convincing and reasonable one. | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:47 Pandain wrote: I don't know what you're referring to now explain. Also early buddying which I guess I use the term incorrectly refers to you activating his power and then using your role on him. You basically focused on marv early on in an unjustiable matter because his alignment wasn't clear. It was actually really suspicious Yes and this is one of the things i am calling you out for. You called my reasoning for what i did bad by saying "oh god that's bad". Why, exactly is it bad? When i am town i tend to want to find out best player's affiliation, because it is a challenge to me. I am not afraid to make quick judgements and call "the best players" scum if i think they are scummy (compared to other players - i hate when there are people who say "we are not lynching XYZ on D1 just because vet"). Why was my reasoning bad for you given what i said about marv's posts about twerking early on? | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't understand the suspicion on Koshi, to me it looks like a carbon copy of his play as town in Noir. Maybe a shade more reserved, but still relatively casual, low-content posts. All that's left is him blindly tunneling someone. Anything else? When does your power kick in? On October 29 2013 05:54 Pandain wrote: But I didn't realize your probably a mason role. I thought you were using a power to have another effect on someone which wouldn't be justifiable literally unless its a mason role. On October 29 2013 05:57 Pandain wrote: Basically nothing I did was scummy I think I just explained myself poorly yesterday. From my standpoint you were not trying to find out his alignment, you were trying to create a friendship to help you. And that friendship to be formed wouldn't have been justifiable if your town because you don't know his alignment. I just forgot masons Have you read the thread? | ||
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Largely because of how you've generally been extremely evasive about it. Like I said before, when Pandain brought it up you didn't say, "This shouldn't seem scummy to you." You said, "But you got on my case because of my other action." which can't really be called a response despite all the heat Pandain's taken. This is what i have been saying all the time: On October 28 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Pandain this has gone to role fishing. Stop it already. There is nothing alignment indicative in my role use, at least nothing scummy. On October 28 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can't possibly say that if you do not know the effects. Now explain. Please. | ||
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I have a big problem with this post, even bigger than the Clarity's case on Oats: On October 29 2013 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Don't even remember this. I actually have to go somewhere urgently now so I'll produce some stuff tomorrow >.< There's a reason my oats stuff didn't come with a vote, when it usually does. I did believe in it though, still kinda do, but will reread and see if I change my mind later. But your vote is kinda bad marv, TT This basically possibly nullifies everything Clarity has said in this game besides having a town read on Prome (for why - idk). Both ends are bad, either he sticks with his bad case on Oats, or he doesn't which means he has done jack. On the other hand i am willing to give Pandain more time. I am not sure if he is scum and he'll be easier to get a decent read on later when he starts taking hard stances. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Clarity_nl On October 29 2013 09:14 Pandain wrote: I now have an inherent desire to vote Hotcottoncandy Is this a policy or is there more? I dislike Sentinel more. It has to do with his power and his attitude how he talks about it. When he asked people to power him up his attitude was cheery and screamed an attitude of "hey guys, let's do this". When we actually did that, and counted down to ##1, he went to "I wonder if the hosts got my message. Don't want to give away my power if the countdown duds because something was wrong with the sequencing. Knowing the hosts, someone should be up and attending this game, but they might be asleep". There is a sudden change in his attitude and it's not what i expected from him. What i expected him to do was something along the lines "thanks guys, now we do good stuff". When marv asked Sentinel about it later he answered "The hosts have told me that everything is going as planned and that my power has been accounted for. I have said everything I need to say about the power. Patience, my son." This is plain out secretive. All in all i do not like how his attitude regarding his power and people asking about it changes completely during this whole thing. I do not know what SnB is doing atm but i don't like it. | ||
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On October 29 2013 21:39 Oatsmaster wrote: OOHCHILD is either Dandel or BH for sure. Leaning dandel cause dandel isnt free on weekends. If OOHCHILD is BH he should be lynched three times already. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:21 Promethelax wrote: So Rayn, I assume you are catching up but you say Pandain is town so who are your three scum targets? Clarity is clearly within the three but I'd like an update on where you stand. Clarity, WoS and Sentinel. For the record i do not post if i am not caught up, so whenever i do i am caught up. :p | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:37 Promethelax wrote: ah okay, so you had nothing to comment on from when you were away? And you don't find OOOH scummy, why is that? Nothing much besides what i said about WoS and Koshi (i actually read a couple of filters too). I think what OOH said about Pandain is reasonable (besides the last point), i just don't think that makes Pandain scum. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:44 Promethelax wrote: I'm a lot better than you. But only because I take my pants off of my head sometimes. Rayn: what does it say about OOH. You liked that one post, so does that mean you think he is town? How do you read his choice to refuse to talk to the more powerful townie voices in the thread i.e. me and marv. I don't think that's alignment indicative. Why would he, as scum, openly refuse to do so? If he continues doing it he will get lynched for it. It makes as little sense for him to do as scum than it does as town. I am more interested in hearing why he finds marv & Koshi scummy. | ||
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On October 29 2013 22:51 Promethelax wrote: Because he clearly isn't getting lynched on it today. If I had the ability to refuse to speak to the most powerful townies in the game and claim it is modkillable for me to respond to them I'd do it every time. He clearly has no real reasons for thinking they are scum. Look at what he just posted. Jesus. Yeah but you do not make enemies as scum if you don't have to. Especially in a way he did. It doesn't matter if he gets lynched for it today, as there are other scum alive. You know, people look back later on in the game and if he doesn't change his attitude soon it will haunt him later on (although lately TL towns tend to be forgetting the power of rereading). I agree what he said about marv especially is really bad and if i knew he was a smurf i would lynch him instantly. | ||
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This is (as you should know) a game where the most important thing is not what people say but why they say what they do and what they should be saying and what they do not say when they should. If there is a monkey in a lion cage you can't just expect it to be a lion and act like a lion just because it's a lion cage. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:00 OOHCHILD wrote: Marvel, you yourself admitted that Oatsmaster is playing more town this game. What if Clarity reads the behavior you read as more town, conversely, as more SCUM. Then he should say so. Which he hasn't. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:06 Clarity_nl wrote: No OOHCHILD it's because you're coming up with scenarios where I'm town when if that scenario were true I would just say so Like, it's like you're making up excuses for me, it's odd. Stop defending and find scum. It's the only way you are not getting lynched today tbh. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:08 OOHCHILD wrote: Ray, how he can make cases if he has not read anything? That's my point. He should be doing that if he is town instead of answering people here. | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote: Ok, because rayn didn't make a case on Pandain and don't thinks he is scum I made the case. It's made for rayn but it's why I think Pandain is scummy. What does this mean? | ||
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On October 29 2013 23:16 OOHCHILD wrote: I'm not a smurf but I'm also not new to this game. If I were mafia why would I try to clear the only alternate bandwagon? Hey are you from the Championship game? If so, who? | ||
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This is what Pandain's town play looks like: Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization of his reads, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, Q/A, summarization, maybe some sort of a case, repeat. This is what Pandain's scum play looks like: stuff, some weak reads, stuff, stuff, a case on someone, stuff, some defences against thread sentiment (usually on townies), soft buss, stuff, stuff, stuff, defence.. repeat from after the "a case on someone". At some point that falls apart because he busses so much. When Pandain busses he does not really intend to lynch his scumbuddies. He does also defend a lot of people just for the sake of defending. You catch him when he has bussed someone and when they are up for a lynch he suddenly doesn't want to lynch them anymore (see Thug life and Palmar). | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats looks a lot less dickish than the scum games I've played with him This is so bad because he looks less dickish than he is in his town games aswell and he is less dickish as scum in general. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote: Could you push something please? Thanks. Don't like that you're kinda spectating all this. I am getting to that soon. I gotta eat first. But i want to lynch WoS or Sentinel, don't know which one yet. Dick move analysis say Clarity is town and i do not like OOHCHILD lynch at all. Based mainly on his self-suicidal behavior and the fact that when i said "i could lynch OOH just because" earlier on, suddenly some people voted for him with zero reasoning. Those votes would have been easy for scum to call out people for in case OOH was scum but nobody did do anything about it. | ||
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I did not like how he was trying to "promote" his Prome case and "prove he is town in these posts: On October 28 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote: And just like Palmar in Thug Life I will point out: you are basing a meta read of me on something that is months old and you are missing out on half my mafia career with that read. That seems like a terrible meta read Prome. Are you terrible? Palmar wasn't terrible when I called him out for that. He was scum. Justifying someone is scum because of what [i]someone else did in some other game. On October 28 2013 14:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you think as scum I would be likely to attack a town Prom as my primary mislynch target? Prom is there a reason you don't feel like talking to me and instead feel the need to graze over my questions with Oats instead? Am I bothering you? "Would i do this as scum? No, i must be town." After his Promethelax case he has been really insecure in his reads and in everything he says. I sense fear because marvellosity conveniently shut down the case. WoS never commented on marv's town case on Prome at first, yet kept his vote on Prome and tried instead defend his own case. In case he thought Prome was scum and wanted to lynch him he should have pointed where marv was wrong on his town read on Prome. After that these posts of his are really bad and only strengthen my observations of him being too insecure to be town. On October 29 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not going anywhere with it anymore. I just wanted to know your thoughts on it because you never really commented one way or the other since Prome and me had it out while you were gone. It's just funny you say it's a dumb thing to push if he's mafia, but the fact remained that he didn't push it at all---maybe for exactly the reason you just stated. In any case i still have to look over your read on him before coming to a final decision about him and I get the feeling I'll be removing my vote....in which case I have to find someone new. I'm not so sure Clarity is a useful target atm despite looking fairly scummy---I'd probably want to hear more from him first. I also don't give SnB's entry nearly as many points. Koshi mabes? He seems to be a popular choice as of late. Insecurity. Like i said earlier, he is not scumhunting, he is basically asking people who is scum. He is not trying to find out who is scum by himself. On October 29 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote: It'll be interesting to see a game in which Koshi and Rayn aren't all up in each other's butts, to be sure. Regarding Clarity, maybe it's just a lack of confidence in my Ver-fu (even though I have had 'insta-scum' moments from single posts) but to me the disconnect you're voting him on (ie Clarity knows better than this) doesn't seem as strong to me. I've seen Clarity play and I actually could see him believing in his case despite us seeing otherwise because Oats is a lot of different things to a lot of people. That being said his case/posting is still shit, but I could see it being possible town-shit. This is softly casting doubt on me and Koshi for something we should in his opinion be doing if we were town. Instead of trying to figure out our alignments he just makes a shitty comment like this and does not follow up it with questioning or making any conclusions from it. Later on he unvotes Prome (because of what marv said - the thing he didn't comment on earlier at all, despite me pointing it out) and votes for someone he doesn't even think is scum! Too weak to be town Wave. ##Unvote: ##Vote: WaveofShadow[/b] | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote: rayn, your sense of timing is excellent. I'm going to go along with that. ##Vote: WaveofShadow Problem for me atm is that if I accept OOH and Clarity aren't mafia, then some of my reads elsewhere are kinda off. Well OOH could be mafia, but that's for another day. I think he is from the latest Champs game because of his unwillingness of participating fully on D1 and his use of "clear" instead of "defend". These guys who play werevolf clear people instead of defending. I am not confident on him being scum, too few info. Also Pandain lynch is bad. If neither of me and Vayne thinks he is scum he probably hasn't done anything scummy. If you want a reference look at Thug life. When Noir ended me and Vayne instantly go "Pandain is 100% scum". If he is scum he is able to fake his towniness until some point but that will fall apart. Not a good lynch for today. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:50 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, but everyone else has done something since. You're actually supporting the argument here :/ That's basically the point. He just dropped the vote there when he had argued about other stuff (mainly me and Koshi connections) just before. | ||
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On October 30 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote: rayn what does Koshi forgetting Pandain mean? I dunno. I am not interested in Koshi at the moment because his reads post and the "sheep marv and rayn + some people have some qualities" post were pure town Koshi. Probably has something to do with him listening to us and looking into people we are. Maybe Koshi can explain? | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol SnB just claimed scum. Can we lynch SnB guys? ##unvote ##vote SnB Elaborate please. | ||
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In nine minutes WoS looked through all my games. Nine minutes for him to realize he was full of shit. Or he knew it from the beginning. WoS was full of shit from the beginning. WoS is scum ##logic Where did WoS say he looked into your games? I don't understand this argument given the quotes. And this: I find this really weird, this is not the first time he was brought up 3p so far this game. I'd say he either is 3p or is aware of its existence. Along with that his OOh 'placeholder' vote was the fourth vote on OOOh and he hadn't commented before at all. I don't like that particular vote. In fact, I rather like WoS as scum. Or 3p. Anti town any ways. Aren't you basically doing the same thing you accuse WoS of here? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:02 strongandbig wrote: yes and it was when i started working on my pandain post, so maybe like an hour ago, maybe a little less. So why did you say exactly same thing i did about Pandain then in different words? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:04 Promethelax wrote: That was nothing liked a balanced game though and that was a problem discussed in the post game. Though yes, that is not a very good role to use to 'prove' townieness since there have been town and scum double voters since the dawn of time. WoS is very passive and I don't get it. Like he thought someone was scum at some time probably. But besides his terrible case on me I don't see it. Don't you have a half a dozen people you'd happily lynch? Rayn: see that 9 minute thing now? Thoughts? No i don't see anywhere where WoS says he will read your past games. Maybe i am just blind, but could you point it out to me with quotes? And the 3p thing was; You called WoS out of being a scum or 3p, and the reasoning was he called you 3p..?? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh ok so i was right, his role isn't the same as mine. Whatever, vote on myself stands. See yall and good luck. I don't feel guilty about my play this game whatsoever like I did in Persona when I got mislynched. If you lynch me here it's on your heads, not mine. Don't you fucking dare to quit now if you are town. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:23 Pandain wrote: I would like if someone brought me at least somewhat up to speed, I understand the role argument. If someone would quote a case I would appreciate it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504¤tpage=59#1168 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504¤tpage=60#1196 there you go. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:28 HotCottonCandy wrote: It's not based on what he is doing but rather what the thread is doing. Go through and count how many times he has been mentioned randomly for pretty much no reason when there isn't even a discussion on him! There is so much light suspicion on him but nobody is pushing him or doing anything about it, it's just oh yea he's scummy maybe idk. This is usually scum when this happens because they are just skating by in thread and their buddies try to make him look bad but not too bad so he blends in. even though he is not playing to his scum meta here I think he has a good chance of flipping scum for other reasons in a nutshell. I do not think this is a good reasoning for thinking someone is scum. It just means people are unsure of his alignment, including townies for sure. There is evidence that says - even if scum are casting light suspicion on him without pushing - that townies are doing that aswell. Therefore that cannot possibly tell anything about Pandain's alignment. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Fine, apparently this is supposed to be much better. ##Unvote ##Vote: strongandbig RNG says SnB. Now I won't get modkilled and everyone will be happy 'cause I'm not voting for myself. If you guys still want me dead, so be it, but know once again this is on YOUR heads for not giving me the amount of time required. Peace. Are you blaming us players for the fact that day phases last 48 hours and you havn't proven your towniness or find scum in that time frame? That's really weak WoS. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:55 Seuss wrote: Because my power only works at the end of the day, and by its nature whatever choice I make today determines the pattern for the rest of the game. Once WaveofShadow claimed his power I thought it was odd for there to be multiple voting powers so I thought to counter-claim. I'd forgotten about Pandain, and then he brought up his own power. Once I saw that and Wave became martyr #2 I had the idea for the vote test. I also forgot: ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel How did you forget about Pandain as he kinda claimed earlier already? | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:59 Seuss wrote: I wrote that off as a non-serious exchange and didn't think any more of it. I didn't think it made any sense for Pandain to randomly assert he had a power like that. Fair enough. I actually thought Pandain was pressuring Koshi as he said his power was permanent and i find it hard to believe that's true. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:15 Koshi wrote: I dont believe this from Seuss. Pandain said very clearly 4eva... How is that joking around when you have the same power... And if he noticed it, the symmetricalness would make instant sense when WoS said he could add. Something is wrong with Seuss. The only excuse I accept is "I didnt read it" and it being Pandain claiming. Did you think Pandain's power was real when he threathened you with it? | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:21 Seuss wrote: Probably. It would be weird to give all the vote powers to town. That would slant things against the mafia pretty hard. Then again, why are you voting for Sentinel? | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:26 strongandbig wrote: I'm in class you assdouche. Go take a chill pull. Preferably a suppository. I assume you're referring to this post: This actually isn't the same as what I said, what I'm talking about is the tone of the cases and summaries in his longer posts whereas i read your post as being about whether or not hes asking questions and whether hes mixing soft busses with "defenses against thread sentiment." I was pretty specific and so were you. I agree they are similar though. Even if they were exactly the same, I would have posted my thing anyway because I want people to know what my thought process and analysis were. When I was making up my mind about pandain I did it without thinking about what you or other people said about him, I was looking at the evidence and making my own read. Are you claiming that you think I just took your conclusion and then spent twenty minutes making it more specific, reading old games and filters and getting the evidence for it that you didn't, because that's easier than making up some shit? Or is it maybe more likely that I happened to come to a similar analysis as you? No i don't. I would have expected you to say something about my post or me when you made a post quite similar. Is there a reason you didn't? | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:31 Seuss wrote: Well I happen to have put a whole lot of effort into making a case against him. After Wave, myself, and Pandain all explicitly revealed it became evident that Wave fake-claiming wasn't likely, and so long as we had an alternative target we could test everyone's powers without needed to lynch voting power that may become critical as the game goes on. There was also a mess of confusion once Wave started martyring himself. If my idea also got everything on track so town wasn't running around like crazy, all the better. I'll admit there's a chance we lose a useful power with Sentinel as well, but at the moment I think he looks scummier than Wave. I think your case on Sentinel is fine and correct. But tbh i don't know if what you say makes him scum. Someone not trying to do much on D1 is not necessarily scummy, especially considering we are talking about Sentinel here, who is usually quite useless even as town. However, WaveofShadow is not usually useless as town on D1. In addition to that, WoS has done things, but the things he has done are nowhere near what i would expect from town!WoS and he is not helping the town in any way or trying to find mafia. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:33 Seuss wrote: He's afraid I won't ever carry him in League of Legends again. More seriously, in terms of semi-independent arguments I can make against him versus Sentinel I think I've got a better case against Sentinel, but no one's really responded to it yet. This is the post i was supposed to quote in my last reply. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:42 marvellosity wrote: who cares, answer me, i need to go me? what do i need to answer? | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:36 marvellosity wrote: Reposting: Can anyone tell me why, when Wave apparently didn't have a clue who to lynch, this was not enough to vote on? Because scum. | ||
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On October 30 2013 03:45 Promethelax wrote: but if scum why not lynch other dude and not himself? Is Suess scum too? He has been having a town read on Seuss earlier. I do not think Seuss' posting has gotten any worse/better during the game, it has remained the same. It was at that point nowhere near clear if WoS was getting lynched or not, he could have proven himself some way. Changing his read based on what he said so drastically that he votes for Seuss would probably look even worse on him. What does this tell about Seuss, idk if anything. I do not think they are scum together. If they are there was absolutely no reason for Seuss to claim after WoS did unless some serious #bigmafiaplay. | ||
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On October 30 2013 04:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: It's plurality and I'm here till the 5:00 deadline. If someone who isn't wave/ooh takes the lead, I'll switch onto wave for solidarity. But since ooh is my number one read I will keep my vote on him. As it stands at the current moment, my vote wouldn't matter whether it's on one or the other. If you believe OOHCHILD is a better lynch why are you not trying to convince anyone to switch into him? | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote: Um, rayn, what does your ##delegate power do exactly?... That's what i trying to tell you by saying "consider my twerk null".. :E | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote: So you have a sabotaging power and you used it on me Neat. I have two powers. One makes every number in your role go up by one. The other one does the opposite. That's what i was trying to do but i fucking messed up because the name of the power is the same barring first letter. :/ | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote: What's the name of the other power? ##Relegate | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:21 marvellosity wrote: I don't think I really believe you. This is problematic. I can prove it the next day. | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:23 marvellosity wrote: Here's why I don't believe you. Even if you meant to type "Relegate", why were you toying with my powers 45 minutes into the game? Because you said you need people to twerk you in order for you to use powers. I assumed from your posts that the more people who twerk you, the better power you got. I was trying to make that easier. | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:29 marvellosity wrote: Why would I not out you using a blatantly anti-town power against me in the thread by "accident"? Because i instantly said i fucked up when i realized it!! I mean i get your reaaction but i hoped you would have thought about what you say. Given that we do not know what roles are in play my power is not anti-town. For example i can nullify the vote-givers, or i can double it. | ||
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It doesn't matter. Didn't you read my post about my power use? If you are town you will most likely do good stuff with whatever power you have. If you are scum i doubt you can kill all the townies once with whatever power you have. If you do bad stuff or stuff that makes no sense from town!pov you are probably scum. I was willing to take the risk. | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:39 OOHCHILD wrote: I can think of townier people than marvel. Who exactly? I am obviously in for nuking everyone but me. | ||
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On October 30 2013 06:32 strongandbig wrote: um, wait a sec marv. why would he think "oh i have a power that decreases numbers by 1, let's use it on marv to help him pay his power costs" - wouldnt the natural thought be "oh i have a power that increases numbers by 1, lets use it to give people more kp/votes/hp/whatever?" Because it does not apply to the phase we are in. For example, if i wanted to make WoS give +2 votes instead of +1 on D2 i would need to use the power now on N1 on him. | ||
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On October 30 2013 17:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh god what the hell have you done Sentinel... For filterzzz- | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote: I'm still stuck on rayn abandoning WoS to lynch Clarity. It's so unlike townrayn not to be all guns blazing for that lynch. rayn doesn't mind shouting at me repeatedly if he thinks I should be lynching his target. Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Vayne is town and SnB deserves many nukes for it. Early game is irrelevant regarding his meta because he obviously tried to play differently than his meta suggests. idk if that makes sense to you but it should. Prome i have apparently missed the point where kush called himsefl a smurf. Kush's meta that applies now is that he can't read filters as scum because it's boring. Unless someone (like me in Noir) forces him to do that he won't do it and just say whatever shit he comes up with in thread. I can't use any night powers so i don't really care about this phase. I'll post reads before the deadline but Koshi is so very good and you shouyld listen to him regarding me. I won't probably die and if Koshi dies i will nuke Oats instantly. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote: Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them. Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote: i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote: yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. Okay this is really annoying.. i will now shut up. | ||
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You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:47 Koshi wrote: btw rayn. You are pretty low on figuring out posts as well. Unless you are trying to read people without interacting with them. Look at you and Oats, there is nothing between you 2. I thought Oats was town from his posts, especially from what he said about Pandain. It's useless to interact with Oats if i think he is town because it doesn't get me anywhere. I only interact with Oats when i do not think he is town or when i need him to do what i say. Otherwise it's useless. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote: It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled. I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose. You didn't say anything uselful. Then you voted for yourself. When people called you out of it you rng'd SnB. Then you said you're off. That's what i saw. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:59 Promethelax wrote: I'd like to add my voice to this. WoS before an hour before the deadline was a useless asshole. Rayn, you just bowed out of explaining why you weren't unhappy about the clarity lynch. Explain it. And explain why you wouldn't explain it. I don't understand the question? | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:02 Promethelax wrote: you said you'd shut up instead of explaining yourself That's about listening to Koshi, not about Clarity in any way. I already said why i did switch my vote and was okay with Clarity lynch-. | ||
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WoS and Clarity were useless martyrs when i left. WoS came back and made better posts and actually wanted to play this game, Clarity didn't but skated by his "dick move town analysis" reads. When i came back i noticed this. If it's scummy from me sue me. But it's useless to talk about this because that's what i did and why i did it. | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:15 Promethelax wrote: rayn: why? Also, why announce in thre- oh. I have my reasons, for both of the questions. I am also really pissed off at myself for fucking up with my role in this game.. twice. | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:28 OOHCHILD wrote: WoS strikes me as someone who is pretty careful and calculating and his nuke just looked so fucking weird. He couldn't stfu about how bad it was to use nukes, then he used one... Rayne is sitting in the thread jumping on the easiest shit possible. Very very very very very unlike his townplay this game. What happened to your spam Rayne? HotCottonCandy looks like a shit sundae. im out until i finish this exam later tongiht. Spam went away. What do you suggest i do? Jump all over marv like you did on D1 with retarded shit you know is not true in the first place. Or if you did believe that i have no idea what to tell you. If people look town to me they do look town to me, if they look scummy they do look scummy. Regardless of who they are. And my scum meta btw is to attack strong players in case you have not noticed. Go look at WHWC and who i accused on D1. Go look at Noir who i accused and lynched on D4. Go look at Catch 22 and who i accused on D1-N1. Go look at GoT and what i did the whole game. I don't let town play like they want to, so unless you think marv/Prome or both are scum with me you are full of shit with your argument. | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:40 OOHCHILD wrote: attacking strong players is not a meta yes it is and you are wrong. | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:46 OOHCHILD wrote: if something is easy to fix it's not a meta. just like busing my scum team isn't a true meta. the true meta behind it would be an inability to make decent cases on people I know are town. You really do not understand what i am saying. It's okay though, you don't need to know what i do as scum and what i don't. | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wouldn't mind getting rid of WaveofShadow as well. Have you noticed your top scumread insta-nuked your other scumread on N1 start? | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote: lol isn't marv's signature about how kush disagrees with himself haha kush agrees with himself here. i double disagree with him. I might have a power that makes my double disagreement into kush disagreeing ^_^ | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:57 Promethelax wrote: in all fairness that came from a smurf game where kush was arguing with his other head. Was kush hydraing there? My best experience with hydras is when i asked geript if he thinks WoS is scum in Bluelightz game when they were hydraing. :D | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:02 WaveofShadow wrote: haha I remember that---Geript threw a fit about it and I was like 'meh.' geript froze and giggled. Insta-town read. <3 | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:57 raynpelikonoshi wrote: marvellosity if i was scum in this game i would be all over you because you fail to notice every important thing i say about my role and make incredibly retarded comments about it and don't seem to be thinking about anything at all. I am sorry but what are you? Could you even think about what you post before you do? goddamn again. | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:57 marvellosity wrote: No, just because I miss things doesn't make me scum, and I look extraordinarily town. This is an awful post. I do not think you are scum. I am frustrated because of all the people i think you would understand why i am doing what i am. | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote: This is the type of bullshit you said in Noir, you just kept calling your posts good and yourself town. This is actually a good point on Pandabearguy. | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote: The point is, "if" you were scum, you would not be all over me, because I'd lynch you immediately for it. So don't make that kind of bad argument. Are you going to answer my question about your role or do I have to filter you? Yes i would because i am being reasonable and i think you are not. It's irrelevant because i think you are town but i honestly would have done it from the beginning because as i said i was being reasonable and my actions are perfectly fine (barring the fuckup). If you read the last line of the post you should be able to see that i am not necessarily claiming anything. | ||
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On October 31 2013 06:01 Pandain wrote: Don't see how I'm playing bad as of now. IF I'm totally wrong on scum, then sure, but as of now I'm 1/1 As scum you are more right than wrong but you actually do not do anything about your correct reads. That's it in a nutshell. | ||
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marvellosity has been calling me scummy and good looking in turns. Now he needs to make a case on me because i want to know if he actually thinks i am scum (he shouldn't tbh). Do not twerk marv yet please. Oats needs to give out reads with reasoning. Otherwise i will push the red button and it would be hilarious if my role's nuke would be dud. People who said WoS was most suspicious of me must explain why they are reading a different game than i am. If they don't they get lynched, i guarantee it. Koshi, could you elaborate on how your role works? I assume the more updates you get the more powerful power you get. Am i correct? ##Update Koshi | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:26 marvellosity wrote: And you're not capable of making sense as mafia? That's never how you're caught as mafia, rayn. If you can't see at this point that i am trying my best to help the town i don't know what to say marv. That's why i am asking the case, i wanna know what is it that you are unable to see to make out the "why" of it, because that's what i am wondering atm. | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote: Not "oh my dear god" For you to be town I have to accept you randomly went somewhere you can't remember to buy cigarettes with lynch coming up immediately, and you somehow managed to fuck up your power and fucked up one of the strongest players' in the game power because "woops". I hate having to assume stupid shit. Yes i did genuinely fuck up with my power. I even tried to tell you later on what i in fact did so it doesn't fuck up in the end. I was trying to help you with your power. Read what i asked Koshi about his power. I assumed your power works like that. See how many twerks you got even when you were considered almost as an universal town read. What you are suggesting is unreal. Why would i do what you are suggesting, at the start of the game, when all the people have not even posted yet as mafia? What is the point? You know i do not do stupid stuff as scum (at least when i am sober lol), nor do i worship strong players and lick their ass. Especially when there is absolutely zero reason to do so. I have no idea why you are suggesting that. Also, why would i lie about not being here? I don't do that for the love of god, even when i am scum. Why would i lie about not remembering where i was at that point? Why is that even alignment indicative, what do i gain as mafia by saying "i do not remember where i went"? I would be perfectly capable of giving some excuse where i was if i was in fact here and reading the thread all the time. And again, if i was mafia why would i even bother to come back posting before the lynch? See the last sentence. If you are trying to say i did not care about the lynch then say so, but that's not true either. I came back and i did not expect WoS being here making a lot of posts because he earlier on said he will not be back and not much was happening. Suddenly the thread had 100 or so posts more than the last time. I did not expect that. We can talk about Pandain tomorrow. I also want to talk about Oats, Vayne and kush. | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:19 OOHCHILD wrote: Thought about it and I am 100 percent in marv being scum. I doubt I'm gonna change my mind because it had become crystal clear to me. Marv last scum game? Desert mini mafia. | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:53 Pandain wrote: I only skimmed but yeah his reads aren't aligning with mine. I doubt he was all right. He was curious about Rayn which still puts a thought in my mind he's scum, but without that I would say he's town. I just know he's not scum. Yeah he does defend Seuss. Hmm Are you one of these guys? From what i read in WoS' last post where he talks about me he was leaning town on me. Not that it matters anything but i hate when people bring up invalid arguments for why someone is scum. It frustrates me because it doesn't mean they are scum, as apparently townies do that too, which can be proven from Thug life obs QT and the Championship game. | ||
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On October 31 2013 10:05 marvellosity wrote: rayn, what are your tells on Vayne? You seem to be ok at reading him (I swear I remember you talking about this somewhere). I know you don't like his big post but I don't mind it that much at all. He seems to be posting ok and I can't tell what agenda he's really pushing if he's mafia. I agree. I can't say much of his D1 before his smurfiness was blown because he was obviously trying to post differently than he usually does and my strength in reading him is not what he posts but how he posts. After that i thought he was town until his reads post. I don't even care about his other reads at this point but i do care about his reads on me, PAndain and Koshi (as he is supposed to be good at reading us). I will elaborate on that in a bit. | ||
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Rayn - Not as aggressive as you would like him to be, although I think it's more of him changing his playstyle then anything. He played like this more in Thug Life and Noire and he was town and scum respectively so it's a bit of a null tell there.... What is this even doing here? Like why would you add a null-tell in your read on someone? ...On the other hand, he isn't actually pushing anything and has been absent for large chunks of the game where I would expect him to otherwise be. The fact that nobody really has any strong opinions in the game about him yet lead me to believe he is most likely the scum from this list. The first thing is not true - i am pushing people i think are scum. I just don't do it in Titanic-way, because i don't do it any more. If i remember correctly i talked about it after Thug life and Vayne was in that game. The second thing is not true - I have not "been absent for large chunks of the game where I would expect him to otherwise be". Prove it then if this is true. When and where have i been absent? The last thing - Seriously? I am probably one of the hardest people to read in this game and people not having a read on me (which is btw not even true) makes me scum? roflskates. Pandain - What exactly has he done this game? Honestly nothing sticks out in my mind. ... Koshi - Similar to pandain, I honestly can't think of what he has done this game. Nuked Pandain though so if im going with my list he isn't scum unless he is a fucking genius. These are people who Vayne is good in reading at. Look what he has to say after a near complete cycle? That's all? From Vayne, the guy who in Hogwarts (whore they have both flipped) had a more reasoned read on Pandain from his first post and who in Thug life could instantly tell Pandain was scum when Noir ended. Also he should imo consider Koshi town from the posts i consider him town for, or explain why not. | ||
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On October 31 2013 10:35 OOHCHILD wrote: yup rayne and vaynecandy are both town. welcome to my circle of trust. I cannot understand how you can conclude that from my last post in case that's what you are referring to? | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:41 Koshi wrote: marv are you good with entrance posts? I am really good. Remember Thug life and WoS. You can ask me and do the opposite of what i say. | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote: People are posting plenty, you need to develop your suspicions more on your own without waiting for other people to do things for you. There's a tonne of content for all those players for you to work with. Sounds like Ego mini mafia Oats to me. | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:51 marvellosity wrote: I had precisely the same thought, and I was hoping you'd come up with this without me prompting you for it. dude i just came here. what does it matter if it's me or you who notices it first? I have already said i will nuke him if he doesn't do shit, do you think we are both scum? | ||
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On October 31 2013 18:54 marvellosity wrote: No, you got the tone of my post all wrong. I was going to ask you "Does it remind you of Ego?" but decided not to say it, and then you mentioned it yourself. I didn't mean you should have said it before I commented on Oats' post at all. Calm your horses. sorry i am quite tired as i pulled an all nighter, i thought you were accusing me of not coming up with it first for some reason. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On one hand I think Rayn has actively been trying not to be as shout-y as he has been. Thug life is a good example I think. On the other...I really AM surprised I was able to actually convince HIM of all people at the end of D1. If there's somebody who latches on against all odds, it's him. About Rayn's power and the circumstances surrounding it---do you agree it is a townRayn-like thing to try and make plays? I am still very puzzled about this post being a "scumread" on me? Especially when i cleared the middle part with WoS.... | ||
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That's why i wanna kill everyone who said WoS kill "makes rayn look bad" and i want an explanation. I don't even remember who those people were because i am so tired. | ||
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On October 31 2013 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote: (1) On one hand I think Rayn has actively been trying not to be as shout-y as he has been. Thug life is a good example I think. (2) On the other...I really AM surprised I was able to actually convince HIM of all people at the end of D1. If there's somebody who latches on against all odds, it's him. (3) About Rayn's power and the circumstances surrounding it---do you agree it is a townRayn-like thing to try and make plays? This is WoS' answer to you marv: 1) seems town 2) hmm, okay i agree that's weird 3) seems town Here is the discussion: On October 31 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright, I guess I have to grant you guys that in terms of what you saw, but my feelings at the time were that I was doing everything in my power in the very short period of time that I had which included attempting to eat lunch while defending myself, trying to come up with some half-assed scumread without being able to properly filter dive, and respond to people. I had already resigned to my death the second time around because I hadn't even expected to be able to come back so I was much calmer---i think that's pretty obvious by the tone of my posts. This is where the discussion ends (barring some useless banter about what's martyring and what's not after that). And this looks like a scumread?? Seriously? After this we joke about my imbalanced hydra-town-hunting skillzors and WoS never brings this up again. I have no idea how to process this because i don't really see how anyone can after this interpret that WoS has a scumread on me. I also am not going to try to do it now because i gotta seriously take a nap.. but marv and vayne seriously what the hell? to some extent pandain aswell. | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:47 OOHCHILD wrote: its not hard to read but can you do a tldr? post by post analysis are so bad and don't serve the purpose.. | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:52 OOHCHILD wrote: Not true? but pandain i actually read your entire case for real and it didn't convince me. yes true. Even the worst mafia players do not slip in every post of theirs. I can tell from Pandain's case, even when i havn't read it, and even if SnB is scum, that at least 50% of his points are invalid. If you do a case like that the main point gets buried somewhere between there and it's alot easier for scum to defend as if they defend 90% of the case it looks good even if it's the 10% that actually makes them scum, just because they defended pretty much everything -> case is bad. | ||
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On November 01 2013 08:01 OOHCHILD wrote: pandain didn't analyze every single one of his posts.. thats how analysis is done mostly... you find the scummy posts and you say what's scummy about them Do you seriously think scum!SnB has 20 scummy posts? Every one of those posts Pandain quoted can possibly make him scum? | ||
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I think Oats is scum because his nuke on Koshi who is obviously town and was then, the reasoning makes zero sense. Also he has no reads at all, which mirrors his play from Ego. I have never seen town!Oats have no scum reads on D2, however dumb his reasons might be. Now why is he town? | ||
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On November 01 2013 08:18 Pandain wrote: I explained earlier why I thought Oats was town, so if you're not going to give me the respect of reading my case I'm not going to give you the respect of answering you now. You havn't talked a single bit about Oats before N1 start besides calling him town and asking "doesn't Oats bus as scum" when marv asked you about it. So no, i thought Oats was town too on D1, not any more. The difference is i have whole tomorrow to look at your case and to decide a lynch. I only have 9.5 (or smth) hours to decide my nuke target. It's 1:30 MA and i need to sleep in that time frame so i am pretty sure you can see my problem. | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:02 Oatsmaster wrote: sick nuke rayn. ##vote Rayn Hey you just said your nuke on Koshi is not alignment indicative as all the nukes are dud's, how is this one now? | ||
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Also nuke on Koshi was awesomesauce. Why do you only target me for a bad nuke? Im sure other people also nuked dudes who you thought were town. And basically no one gave reasoning for their nuke. So why are you only focusing on me Rayn? Also nuke was fake so that point is basically moot. Unless you somehow know your nuke was fake this point is totally not invalid. | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Bad reason, clearly nuke OOHCHILD. Basically all the nukes had little to no reason attached, why did you focus on me instead of other people you thought were scum day 1? Your reasoning is bad regarding HCC and Pandain. SnB is a different story but at least he nuked my scumread. OOHCHILD is being nuked by marv. Why should i have nuked these people over you again? | ||
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On November 01 2013 09:18 marvellosity wrote: This bugs the shit out of me because this distinctly did not even come close to happening today. Quite the opposite in fact. Yeah i have been confused by all the shit there is and trying to make something out of it. I tell who to lynch in the morning, i wanna see the Americans post before. Now bed, for realz. I don't want to be sleeping all day again as today. | ||
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I am honestly going to look more closely into Prome, he hasn't said shit since forever. Vayne seems town from his contributions last night - almost definitely, explanation coming up. kush starting to make sense, still wondering why marv nuked him so early. Yet to read Pandain's case on SnB, doing that in a couple of hours aswell. SnB is just meh at this point. Oats scum but it doesn't matter cos nuked. Onegu good lynch. Sentinel has disappeared, i don't like that. Nothing to say about Koshi besides <3 | ||
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On November 01 2013 16:27 Pandain wrote: But marv was probably going to be protected that's why we didn't shoot him in thug or noir or whatever. Do you understand this doesn't change the fact that he was suspicious of me? You just said WoS was the only person suspicious of me.. | ||
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On November 01 2013 18:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Pandain i really want to know how you go from this: ...inbetween + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 08:36 Pandain wrote: You should probably nuke Kush, he's playing way too certain and shit. It's just really throwing me off. On November 01 2013 10:29 Pandain wrote: Rayn is being too much of a dick to be scum imo, along with other reasons. I could lynch Seuss, think Oohchild is the best lynch even though he's being nuked, and could lynch Vayne. Where he at? On November 01 2013 14:40 Pandain wrote: I'm probably totally wrong but that's okay, if I'm wrong I'll just improve as a person and player after the game. Promethelax WaveofShadow Pandain [UoN]Sentinel Oatsmaster Koshi strongandbig OOHCHILD marvellosity Seuss Onegu Clarity_nl HotCottonCandy raynpelikoneet So ideally, there you have it. Assuming 3 scum and an SK, that's it. ...to this: You have a big fucking case on SnB. You say you can't read kush. In the spoilers are all posts where you even talk about kush in a read-manner. There you say kush's response to your case on snb is okay, and nothing else in there supports the idea of kush going from "can't read" -> "scum". The only thing i see there is kush's role and that's a really weak reason to think someone is scum. Or if you do think so, tell how kush's claim, his timing of the claim, and his role makes him scum. He has already told why he did claim when he did. How does that make him scum, you have commented nothing on that. On top of that there are some serious issues in your reads. They change for no apparent reason, mainly your reads on Vayne and Koshi. Vayne suddenly gets upgraded to green from "i could lynch him" for this reasoning: That's weak, really weak Pandain. And Koshi for no apparent reason goes from "i don't mention him up for lynching" to top 4. For what? Overall Pandain, i find your scumreads to be based on really weak reasons, or no reasons at all. Besides SnB, which i am going to look next into (your case). Explain your scumread on Koshi and kush. Explain why you suddenly gave a town read on Vayne. ...filter... | ||
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Part 1: - snb prolly want's to bring his a-game here because he's on a losing streak - snb makes an assumptions-based argument (he does not say why the assumption is bad, just that assumption based arguments are bad -remember what Pandain's case on me D1 was based on - 100%) - I don't understand what's wrong in snb saying "i think Oats has a good case on Pandain" and i don't see how Pandain explains how this is scummy from snb. I also do not see any contradiction there - twerk/yolo argument is purely assumptions based from Pandain. He never asks about this from snb. Remember what he said about assumptions based arguments.. right - "should i update koshi" is a valid point Part 2: - About snb -WoS post. I think snb's post was spot on. Prome's case was not strong imo. notice that Pandain makes the argument on D2 when WoS has flipped. Why not bring this up on D1 if he thought WoS was town and this post is bad? - "Filtering Pandain" argument. Why is it weird to filter your top scumread? red part is just so wrong. This whole argument is so wrong and bad. - "voted for WoS" argument. snb is scum for voting for WoS when he did. how? i can't see it from the argument. because Clarity was suspicious for snb too? Pandain why do you need to attach the "WoS is confirmed town now, remember into nearly all your arguments? - "So you always think of reasons why you're not scum instead of why you're town . SnB's reasons are that he's not scum, instead of that he's town." WTF IS THIS? THAT'S THE EXACT SAME THING ROFL! - "if people are telling the truths about their powers then clarity gets lynched i think" argument. I don't understand what Pandain talks about here but i agree snb's comment is weird. Part 3: - " scum-esque style of posting" i don't see how. I said the exact same thing, why am i not scum? - "how about this guys" totally incorrectly interpreted by Pandain. snb is giving a definite opinion, Pandain says the opposite. - " Contradiction with his nuke " there is no contradiction - ends the case with good town post... So after all Pandain's case that holds water on SnB is: - Does not have an opinion of his own about whether or not he should update Koshi on D1. - Makes a weird comment on Clarity needing to be lynched because of his role. That's what i see in his case, everyother point is invalid. However, his conclusions are: On November 01 2013 08:03 Pandain wrote: Conclusion and Overall Look 1. SnB's play is more like his play in Thug Life then TL Noir 2. SnB has been posting like a scum and not like a town. He is appearing town by posting analysis, but failing to try to catch and find scum by failing to engage in town discourse or really push his reads. He gave poor reasons for lynching WoS and I don't like how he just ignored Clarity. 3. I simply don't like his abrupt nuke on HCC 4. I don't get the feeling he genuinely cares about this game. He is on a 6 game streak and is playing not just poor but like somewhat uninterested despite all his posting. 1) Pandain has talked about one post that by his own words supports the argument. I think it's incorrect. 2) Somewhat okay. I agree SnB has been pretty useless in scumhunting and the point on Clarity is okay. 3) And this makes SnB scum how? Other people have nuked aswell, how is SnB's nuke worse than Oats' or Sentinel's? 4) Basically same as point (2). That's what i think of your case Pandain. Worth of lynch over other people? No. | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:18 Onegu wrote: Oh is it too late to launch my nuke now? I think the nuke deadline was ~1 hour ago. | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:47 marvellosity wrote: Wait, this makes no sense. If you used a power day 1, then you can't use a power night 1. So you can use a power today. Yes but if i use power today i can't do it N2. | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:48 marvellosity wrote: You literally PROMISED you would prove your power today. Prove it. Goddamn you. Yes i know i promised. If you insist and that's the only way you drop this stubborn shit i will prove it to you. I thought i could use my day power every day and night power every night. It was not true. | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:50 marvellosity wrote: I'll make this very simple rayn. I can roleblock/jail you tonight, so your power tonight will be useless anyway. So prove you have the power you claim to have. That would be really stupid. | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:51 marvellosity wrote: This isn't "stubborn shit" rayn. This is you sabotaging the strongest townie, then promising to prove yourself the next day, and then you refuse to do it. It's just shit steaming out of your mouth. I have been honest about my actions. I really have. I have been honest about everything. If you insist i will Relegate you. My night power is Cloister. You can think about what it does. Do i Relegate you or not? | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:58 marvellosity wrote: Just the stupidest thing you've typed this game. idk but do you have any idea what you just did? | ||
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On November 01 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: I think we really need to sort out Seuss and Pandain. This seems really high priority to me. I agree. I am waiting for what Onegu has to say and tbh Pandain's reasoning for his reads is full of crap compared to Golden Sun. More like Noir. | ||
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On November 01 2013 20:28 OOHCHILD wrote: ah shitis lynch tonight ##vote prome marv you have two metadefenses. 1 of prome and 1 of sentinel. they are both the same and they are both terrible. basically you say that these people can't be scum because they played better/were more active in their last scumgame. that is not smart use of meta. And it's your only reason for thinking they are town. Completely unacceptable marv. I actually think this is a reasonable post marv.. | ||
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On November 01 2013 20:29 marvellosity wrote: My meta use is probably one of the absolute best on the site, so whatever broski. Also that's not what I said about their meta at all. Your inability to comprehend basic things is, as always, staggering, kush. That's what i have read too (referring to kush) tbh.. :/ | ||
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Having played scum with Sentinel in Noir i can't see how anyone can say he is town based on meta at this point of the game. Prome has not been playing for ages. Do you think his old meta will 100% apply? Or have you played with him elsewhere? Also there is a difference between mini's and large games, i think that applies to meta/playstyle to some extent (i know that for a fact as i do play very differently depending of the size of the game). also brb 10min, gotta stop at grocery store. | ||
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On November 01 2013 20:47 marvellosity wrote: What was the towngame that Pandain played some games ago? It's not in the database. rayn, you were in it. Golden Sun. I just talked about it in my post awhile ago. Also nice cut. :p | ||
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On November 01 2013 20:56 marvellosity wrote: Yes, this is kinda interesting; Pandain was very very interested in the right lynch in Golden because he was worried about the OP wagon. Need to see how he was in this game. The opposite.. | ||
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On November 01 2013 21:12 Koshi wrote: Doesn't matter. I am not willing to let Onegu slide. After Onegu I can come up with another one 72 hours later. Because Onegu is just waiting and waiting and waiting and will then contribute a couple hours before lynch so we don't lynch him. Fuck that. I can also tell you that in recent games Onegu said the exact opposite about my D1 play. wtf Koshi. I understand he is your top scumread and there is nothing wrong with that. You can't possibly do anything about it until he posts. Why don't you do something else inbetween? If he is in fact scum, what do you gain from tunneling just him now? If he is in fact town, what do you gain from tunneling just him now? | ||
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On October 31 2013 02:49 Seuss wrote: Going back through the first day for Oats, he really embodies what's been annoying me all game. He's something of a bully, spending most of his time pushing people around while generally avoiding questions himself. There's a smattering of posts which involve effort/fair argument, but his signal to noise ratio is bad. He's also second only to Koshi in terms of random power-begging. I think in the end of the day mad rush I gave him more credit than he deserved, and weighted the meta rebuffs I'd received too heavily. Maybe I'm just jealous, but he got to dance around all of day 1 while I and others got grilled. I don't like that, and I don't like that I really don't know where he stands on anyone at the moment. Combined with his N1 actions, I'm sticking with my scum read. I regret having powered him up. I am conflicted about this post because on the other hand it's a total 180 on Oats for idk what reason and it contradicts his behavior regarding Oats on D1. On the other hand the second paragraph is exactly my thoughts on Oats on N1 and after that. :E | ||
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On November 01 2013 21:50 marvellosity wrote: The 2nd paragraph says nothing. Literally you're saying "he has the exact same thoughts in 2nd paragraph" Literally his only thought in the 2nde paragraph is "I don't know where he stands at the moment" This is not a townie nor a mafia thing to say, it provides nothing of any interest other than an extremely brief summary of what Oats did on N1. I know it says nothing. It doesn't change the fact that i thought the same, and still do, because Oats hasn't done shit. And his nuke on Koshi was so horribly reasoned i don't even know what to say.. | ||
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On November 01 2013 22:09 marvellosity wrote: Read my post and you'll find out :p I mean at the end of D1 he had a townread on Oats, and changed it to a scumread after Oats nuked Koshi. I thought Koshi was saying the opposite? But yeah, your post is right. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote: Disappeared for the last hour of the day 1 lynch, didn't start the move off WoS. Didn't comment on Seuss because you were "waiting" for Onegu. Didn't bother showing up for today's lynch. Promised to do shit this cycle and then didn't turn up the day after you promised that. Everything. Always an excuse. You can tell me to shut up, but you can't peddle suspicions on me anymore. You're suspicious as fuck. This is really bad but i probably need to answer it because in case you die tonight these people will lynch me, i will shout at them, i flip town, town wasted a day. i explained clarity already. why the fuck do i look bad for not leading a switch from a townie to a townie when i was not here for fucking 30 minutes? yes, i wanted Onegu to do something before i give my opinion on him. I had read Koshi's case. If we had all voted for him before he says anything he could have just not say anything at all because dead already. and btw i had said i like the case earlier. why the fuck should i have been here for today's lynch? were you planning a vote switch or something? what exactly was i supposed to be here for, convince people to vote for Onegu? i did the most shit on D2 after Koshi. i did stuff when i was able to do stuff. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:10 marvellosity wrote: e.g. I didn't blame you for lynching Clarity, I said you didn't move off WoS when he was posting a lot, you had to be led off WoS. You have some shitty cigarette store excuse, but I happily ignore that and look at what happened in the thread. You were late to the party of moving off WoS. You were late to the party on Onegu, you only voted for him when he practically scumclaimed, in the meantime you were trying to push Pandain instead as a possible lynch. Why should you be here for the lynch? That's what townies do. Much more than mafia. Townies wanna know what the fuck is going on, making sure the lynch is going right, or whatever. I am not talking about D1 lynch any more. I am going to be so sad if you accuse me of it because even as scum i do not lie about that kinda stuff. I was trying to find other people who are scum. I understood Koshi's case perfectly. Does it make any fucking sense to you that i - as you put it - soft defend Seuss/Onegu when Onegu is catching up, then let him make a case on a practically confirmed townie??!?!?!? MARV, JESUS CHRIST!!! I am sorry i can't be here when i can't be here. If that's your reasoning for me to be scum you are just bad. On November 02 2013 09:11 marvellosity wrote: Scum don't have control over their scumpartners. That's one huge myth. Yes they do. Especially if the pre-replace dude is Seuss and after-replacement dude is Onegu. I don't know if you lead your scumteam when you are scum or not but i do. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:18 marvellosity wrote: Not a lot you can say to me in your defence tbh rayn, but I need to read some shit before I come to a final decision on what I think of you anyway. I guess I'd rather know who you think the two scum remaining are. I will look into that soon. Right now i am more interested to not let the game go into the way you are leading it because that's the wrong way. I think Koshi, you, Vayne, Sentinel (looks good from case by Seuss D1), kush, and maybe Pandain are town. That leaves snb, prome, oats. so there. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:21 marvellosity wrote: I do lead my scumteam, but if a scummer is going to make a case on an obvious townie, it's obvious that he didn't consult with his scumteam in any way first. unless the scumteam is really fucking dumb or is not here. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:24 marvellosity wrote: btw I'm not saying you lied about going to the store, but you DID make the decision to spend 1h out of the last 1h5mins of the lynch afking at the store. that's the choice you made. not true, it did not take me 1h. half of the time it took me read and process what had been posted in that time frame. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:29 Pandain wrote: I do not think Prome is scum honestly in the least bit. He would be one of the last I would lynch. His day one posts were really good, and I don't see why as either alignment he would just go afk, so I think it's more ultimately a null tell, maybe maybe slightly scum but that's it. So if i had afk'd after night 1 i would be totally town for you? must remember next time i roll scum.. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:36 marvellosity wrote: Koshi's point that Seuss did not yolo Prome is a pretty damn good one though. Especially as Seuss had given Prome a townread earlier in the day. You mean as in Prome as town? I have been thinking of the idea that not all the "update roles" are real (i actually got the idea from you being wishy-washy about your twerk). | ||
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Pandain you are really annoying right now. You just lick marv's ass regarding me, you are so very much pissing me off. If i was a vigilante i would shoot you right now because i am so fucking pissed off by you. sorry for my language. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:46 marvellosity wrote: oh my god. You actually think Prome was just faking the ##yolo for giggles? That's your argument? NO I AM NOT THINKING THAT FOR FUCKS SAKE! I SAID IT'S POSSIBLE ALL THE "##UPG - ROLES" ARE NOT REAL. That has nothing to do with anyone and that's not an argument against anyone. I just said i thought about it earlier. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean as in Prome as town? I have been thinking of the idea that not all the "update roles" are real (i actually got the idea from you being wishy-washy about your twerk). this one. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:25 marvellosity wrote: You've given literally nothing to talk about Prome. Everyone thinks Prome's filter is ok. Seuss didn't power up prome despite giving him a townread. The onus is on you to prove Prome is mafia, not the other way round. I thought you agreed with me before that Prome's filter after D1 end is not ok? Seuss not powering up Prome is a decent point but he did other stupid stuff aswell. Is it impossible that he would not power up his scumbuddy? I think it's not. | ||
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prome has been practically useless after D1, wos called him scum, he's been posting before reading the thread fully which is bad because he is to some extent following the thread sentiment which makes me think he does actually know more than he does. he suddenly gets some koshi+ray scum yeah go! bullhit thingy out of nowhere and it's so ridiculous i have no idea what to say. from a good player as he is i would expect more. he also repeatedly brings up the idea "no me/marv/rayn were killed N1, one of them must be scum" to justify his scumread on me while he has had a townread on me all D1 and N1, suddenly that changes and he doesn't even consider marv as scum because "marv so town based purely on filter length" (which he is btw not). oats is just scum, prome's read on him is bad, and all of these three should be eliminated as soon as possible. | ||
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On November 02 2013 22:13 Koshi wrote: It's Oats/rayn then. I could RB one of the 2. no need to roleblock me because marv literally made me useless. hope you don't die though because everyone else is pretty useless in this game. | ||
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the longer i am alive the more distraction it is. and people don't need to talk about anything else. and scum just laugh. i gave my opinion and that's what it is. i really do not care if you think i am right or not, it's there just that people can look back to it when i flip (i hope you do that - because usually people do not). | ||
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apparently town has 1 doctor, 2 jailors, 2 cops/busdrives/whatever, power up's are really easy to use, just power up everyone because there is no reason not to. Then there is a vote canceller. All these powers are silent and then there are those vanilla guys. And my in-thread power i have proved apparently is from scum, and town is holding hands singing kumbayaa together and calling me scum because i call these people out for their actions that are shit. then marv effectively shoots down my night power, i am scum and he does not roleblock me but he blocks a town cop instead and is not willing to elaborate on the matter before Prome posts on D3. this is hilarious. ^_^ | ||
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and yes marv, i purposely made you have no other option than to lynch me because you were already waffling around with your bullshit "rayn is scummy -- no i think this is really good analysis -- no rayn is scum -- no this post is good -- no rayn is scummy -- no i agree with this" tat you have been doing all game long. marv and prome are not town based purely on their inability to straight out say the setup is fucked up if all those 4 people i just talked about are scum. in addition to that the evidence i have brought up is in my filter. Koshi is town. Oats is scum because he has not done shit this game and has no real reads. But if one of those three is town it's most likely Oats. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:17 marvellosity wrote: I love that you keep blaming me for "shooting down your night power" or what have you, when it was YOU who fucked up my power, and it was YOU who said you would prove you had relegate. I just asked you to, ya know, follow through on what you said you'd do after you "accidentally" sabotaged me on day 1. you are intentionally twisting the things that have been done in thread. town!marv would understand, scum!marv would call me scum because other people are too dumb to understand. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:19 marvellosity wrote: You just make long posts about setup balance and that's it.... how about you man up and straight up say i am wrong if you think so and not dance around the argument? | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:20 marvellosity wrote: oh you're calling me scum now are you? Not 3p? i don't give a fuck what you are but you are not town. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote: lol since when do scum get parity cops. Lol rayn fail. if you can't understand i do not believe both of you/Prome are parity cops idk what to say Oats.. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:23 marvellosity wrote: well, you should give a fuck. you should very clearly give a fuck. and you should answer my questions. because you want me alive, not dead, so you can always go back to "rayn is scum" when you have no other good options. tell me, who else is scum besides me? and could you answer me in where i told you to man up and give a clear opinion? | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:27 marvellosity wrote: how does that answer why i want to lynch you? you already admitted pretty clearly this is nothing like my mafia game. i have a massive filter, i'm engaged, i helped koshi lynch mafia while you were trying to push pandain and i said pandain felt like his towngame. so mafia is out the window. so i'm 3p. why do i as 3p want to lynch you? i need to know, because i've forgotten why i'm trying to lynch you. I just said you really did not want to lynch me. You wanted to be wishy-washy about me so always when you get into a bad spot you can call me out (when it helps you achieving your wincon -- even if you know who is mafia). I made it pretty clear already i purposely left you no choise, because what i said about you leaves you no choise than to (1) call me town whic you do not want to do, or (2) call me obv-scum and lynch me. but i can tell you when i flip town you'll go down next, then goes Prome. Koshi will not buy your bullshit after my flip because i am not dumb. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:31 marvellosity wrote: btw i said very clearly at the start of the night phase that i thought you were mafia, and THEN you said you wanted me to lynch you. i'll go drag up some quotes mebbe. You have been really wishy-washy on your read on me throughout the game. Which you shouldn't, at least knowing we have talked a lot about my play after various games. From my D1 play you should clearly see i am town and not call me scum for some bullshit reasons like "i don't buy you are telling the truth about not being here" because you know i do not do that kinda stuff even when i am scum! I do not lie about that kinda stuff and you know it! do i need to say it for the third time?? also, could you answer this when you get a chance: On November 04 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you man up and straight up say i am wrong if you think so and not dance around the argument? | ||
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Disappeared for the last hour of the day 1 lynch, didn't start the move off WoS. Didn't comment on Seuss because you were "waiting" for Onegu. Didn't bother showing up for today's lynch. Promised to do shit this cycle and then didn't turn up the day after you promised that. So this is your case. I already told you why it's weak and bullshit. Because it has nothing to do with my play! It has to do with things i have not done. 1) bullshit 2) explained, and you know me well enough you should know what i am saying is definitely not a scumtell 3) bullshit, even more bullshit because after Onegu's case on Koshi it was 100% clear Onegu was scum and lynched 4) bullshit. I have done more than anyone on D2 phase barring Koshi, i started when i was able to. | ||
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On November 04 2013 03:39 marvellosity wrote: also if you'd been reading my posts, it should be pretty obvious Oats is my scumread after you, so that's my 'answer' to whatever your balance shit is. If you honestly think Oats is more scummy than Prome you are seriously out of your mind. Oh wait.. you were not town.. carry on.. | ||
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On November 02 2013 21:33 marvellosity wrote: His attitude has been terrible on Day 2. This is a really bad post given that marv has agreed with alost everythingi have said on D2 besides prome and me "not talking about Seuss case" (which i in fact said is good in the first place - there was nothing else to talk about it). | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote: didn't think about it so much i imagine. only really realised i definitely wanted to protect him after i realised i agreed with his case on onegu. thankfully i don't think i let anything slip in 2nd cycle that i couldn't actually protect koshi, so he lived. Can i also say "i don't believe you" and that makes you scum? There is a lot of stuff i don't believe you would do as town aswell but at least i am not cheap enough to do that kinda shit you are apparently doing... | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote: I have no idea exactly what cobratank is. But in your question both players get rb. I tgibk I checked this n1 actually So you are saying if Player A roleblocks player B and Player B roleblocks Player C - player B's roleblock goes through aswell! bullshit! this is so very bullshit because no game ever works like this! ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote: yes, in case Prome is scum, i wanted to roleblock him, not roleblock him and protect him. that's pretty obvious i would have thought. why would you protect him? do you think vigilante shoots the "obv-toen read" you have given him? or who does shoot him if not scum? are you SK? | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:38 Koshi wrote: But both Prome and marv are giving each other townreads. Look at what I wrote. There can't be 2 blues that are scum. So either they are very wrong and bad. Or it is Oats. You know, Oats, the guy Seuss powered up and scumclaimed around? I really do not think that means anything. Koshi please listen to me now. I think noob scum is more likely to power up a townie rather than his scummate because of fear of getting caught. | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:37 marvellosity wrote: rayn: you're dying today, so if you're genuinely and hilariously somehow not mafia, we'll just need your best cases out of you so we have some direction. <3 fuck you if you lynch me today. i refuse to get lynched because i am town. | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:42 Koshi wrote: Oats said 3/5/7 after Prome said it. He did claim Parity cop before Prome but I did not see a crumb. And he could have guessed it. Prome got 5 on Day 1 I think. Oats got 7 Day 1. Prome got 2 on Day 2 I think. Oats got 1 Day 2. So prome got COP with 2 up's? Wait did Oats say what about his poweruse on N2? He forgot to send in action? He had an action with 1 power up? | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:43 Koshi wrote: I agree that is possible. That's why I am saying since dawn of time that we need to lynch into Prome/Oats today. But you have been busy quoting and fighting with marv since end of N1. Which is a very long time. gosh i have been here for 1 fucking hour. I have not been here since PC until now.. | ||
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THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER! I just said if you want this to be resolved now please do not insult my reading skills because i am working with what i remember. Correct me if i am wrong, what did happen? I remember Prome bitching about you rbing him. | ||
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On November 03 2013 19:05 Promethelax wrote: I need 3, 5 and 7. I used my five power up night one and two. You blocked it night two rendering it useless. You figure it out. No this is not inconsistent with how many votes I got. I need 5 yolos today and expect to get them from the following: vayne, SnB, sent, oats and one of Rayn or Kush. Game not broken, scum needs to kill off the voters to eliminate the blues. Marv: why did you not want me to twerk you n1? So wtf is this unexplained bullshit? Someone explain this? And this game roleblocks are resolved in lol manner but nvm. | ||
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On November 03 2013 21:04 Oatsmaster wrote: hey prome's role seems almost exactly like mine I have 2,5,7 too. And 5 is also a 2 night thing. Okay i can somehow get this.. But i really can't because it's absolutely impossible that you all 4 are town! It is impossible, even if you think i am scum it's fucking impossible. And i am not scum for fucks sake. | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:53 Koshi wrote: Look rayn, Marv is town. You will not get him lynched. Nobody will allow it. So now let's look at Prome/Oats. Prome: The guy that helped Seuss into this thread. Instantly asked question at Seuss and tried to figure him out or tried to make him look like he was contributing. Seuss not powering up Prome even with a townread on him is strange but Prome did ask to stop powring him up. This is interesting, maybe it is because his parity cop spell doesn't allow him to target people that power him up, which it proven by the fact he checked Seuss n1. Another interesting fact is that Prome asked to stop powering him up when it would be logical that his 7th skill would be the vigi shot as scum. Not the 5th. Then there is the townread from marv on Prome. And all the other kids love Prome. So.. We love Prome. Oats: The guy that Seuss scumclaimed on. The guy that put some small counterpressure onto Seuss after Seuss called him scum. But Seuss pointed out that Oats did something strange by saying Prome was town and made a case on him and then Scum WoS jumped on therefore Oats said SORRY to Seuss and that was that. Oats the guy without reads. Oats the guy that had 7 votes. Oats the guy that didn't use his parity check night 2 (this is not alignment indicative but punishable) Oats that isn't doing shit. So who should we pick? Oats not using his power is not alignment indicative. We should pick Prome. His play is shit. There can be a scum role similar to town role that needs power ups. I agree marv should not be lynched. I am not 100% sure he is town just because he is so unbeliebeably wrong on me and i think he should know better. I have talked with him after every fucking game we have played together about what i have done wrong and other shit. He knows what i do as town or as scum and i do ot do what i have done this game as scum. It's the fucking truth and atm i do not care if marv is scum/whatever/town, i care about not getting mislynched because i am really fucking sure Prome is scum and i do not think marv's towntells on him from ~12 inot D1 hold water because the guy has not done shit after D1.... he has done NOTHING AT ALL! | ||
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On November 04 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote: nor has Oats! Yes but Oats i get not doing shit, Prome i don't. And fuck you stalling discussion and telling people to just vote for me. You are so fucking bad right now marv if you are town. Do you know it? | ||
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##Vote: Oatsmaster marv why are you doing this? why are you stalling the discussion because you think i might be scum for some non-existent evidence when there is acutally evidence that points out people being scum? don't do this plz if you are town, i don't like it. if you are just OMGUSing me because i called you scum for reasons similar to yours (weak - i admit - but i think or at least thought i was right) stop it. i am willing to look the game objectively and reconsider. why are you not? you are better regarding that than i am, usually, why not now? stop the tunnel, stop being mad at me and play the game, find scum. please, if you are town, please. because i really hate myself if i get lynched as town. | ||
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In the mean time, if you have nothing better to do, could you please look at what i said about the powers and the balance? I know i am right on this, even if you think i am scum could you do that for me? It makes zero sense all of you guys are town given the power costs and how the power up's work. If all of you are real town the game is 100% imbalanced and i know it from the fact that i am town (and even if i was scum it would be too - just look at what scum have done during nights, if 2 roleblockers, where is the N2 roleblock?? nobody was apparently roleblocked).. Please look at it and consider what i have said because i actually make sense and marv is either too tunneled or scum to do so. brb 10 | ||
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marv is saying i was "undecided on Seuss" or whatever. Fair enough (except that i was not, as i have explained - but whateer). Let's assume this is true for a second. Now Koshi and Sentinel, be honest and tell me this: 1) Would i let Onegu make a case on Koshi when he replaces in if i am scum with him? Would i, for real? FOR FUCKING REAL THAT WAS THE STUPIDEST THING HE COULD EVER DO! I don't if marv says "noone has control over their scumteam". I agree, noone does, but i actually interact with my scumteam in the QT so that every single lurking motherfuker of my scumteam knows what's going on and where we are. And that is 100% true and i can't believe Pandain was dumb enough to call me scum after Seuss flipped because i thought he has brain to realize that. I was here, i was here all the time Onegu was catching up on thread. If i was scum i would tell him guidelines in what to do and what to absolutely not do, and case on Koshi would be #1 on that list. 2) Would i allow Seuss CC WoS, then make a case on Sentinel? WOULD I FUCKING ALLOW THAT? Why would he need to do that if he was scum, especially with me, when he can sit on his vote on WoS based purely on his CC? Why the fuck would Seuss in rayn's scumteam do something like that? Why? Koshi you have actually played scum with me, you know what i do in scum QT and when i do it. Sentinel too although you were really lurky in Noir, also in QT. Can you two honestly say i would allow Seuss/Onegu do (1) and (2)?? I should be fucking confirmed town to you for that.. | ||
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I gotta check the last newbie game tomorrow. And his QT with WoS. I remember reading it and i don't remember him being impulsive there. You yourself said he took some time to answer you at some point. But i'll do that tomorrow morning. Now i gtg. | ||
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On November 04 2013 05:52 Koshi wrote: I think the balance is this: 3 town blues that require powerup, 2 town vote alterers, 3 town VT (SnB, VA, Clarity) 2 town special skills (like kush/rayn/sentinel) VS 1 scum "blue" that require power up. 1 scum vote alterer 1 scum with special skill (like kush/rayn/sentinel) This is balanced because the blues have to CLAIM in the thread they are blue. I think you are right. Unless someone is lying about their role. + that one of your town roles is some sort of 3p, i think they have either only KP or KP in addition to role. | ||
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people call me scum. i get that. reasons? there is notnere?+ hi kush? "rayn is scum" <- "i have a townread on him, he is so town" Who, besides marv has a scumread on me? noone. and marv is..., rofl. marv, if you lynch me this game, i will make sure i devote all my games into lynching you from D1 onwards. And i actually do play all the games so... <3 step off your tunnel and think about this game. if you are non-town in this game i will make everything in my power to ACTUALLY ALWAYS LYNCH YOU EVERYTIME EVER! | ||
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rofl marv | ||
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hahaha HAHAHAHA rofl Prmoe. rofl indee dz<3 | ||
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oh god this game. thank god i do not care much anymore. :p if i did there would be ~20 pages of yelling. | ||
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this game is so shit and hilarious i am going to make only one post any more. rofl townie guys, seriously rofl if you can't see the obvious. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Promethelax | ||
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I'll be making a case on Prome in couple of hours when i get home. His last post where he accususes me is a big fucking contradiction and i can prove it. Apparently you need large multiquote cases to realize he has not even tried to play this game after D1. But if that's what needs to be done let's do it then. | ||
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find scum hte nby yourselves because you apparently are dead set on lynching me. you are bad, all of you who are town. i go play another game becaus playing this one is useless. | ||
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I hope people would play the game and other people scum for what they do in the game instead of when they were not here, because i do not lie about not being here, not as town, and not as scum. Ever. I think it's cheap. goodluck. | ||
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I understand now what Vayne said in some game, when he said he does not give a shit if his target gets lynched or not, he just careas about if he is right or not in his reads. That's the approach i am going to take in these games from now on, as the convincing other people part has never worked with me. Expect unbelieveably bad and lurky play from me now on, even when i am confident i am right. | ||
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Peace. | ||
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Oh and i know that's not why i got lynched. That's why i got pissed off and decided to devote the game to calling marv scum :p gg marv <3 next time we meet again. P.S. read scum QT. ^^ | ||
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gg Vayne and sorry for me fucking up :/ gj town although you got imba setup. | ||
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On November 10 2013 08:32 syllogism wrote: Too many powerful blues for such a small game, especially since the decent mafia powers relied on town cooperation. Mafia should have had a power that allows them to mess with the public ## mechanics. Also that ninja power probably should have been an unblockable shot. It does not even matter if the blues are powerful or not. As long as noone has a way to silently screw with the town nocando. I assumed on N1 "if Koshi has doc from 4 updates this game is lost, so ##yolo hit marv, only chance" | ||
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On November 10 2013 08:44 strongandbig wrote: huh imagine if that nuke on VA had been real how baller would I have looked then THEBEST! and you got nuked for it... thrice. lol. | ||
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On November 10 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote: rayn  <3 OKAY NOW FINALS! THEN TALK! ;D | ||
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I refused to believe that someone could get a protection for 4 updates because that's ridiculously low. Also how the roleblocks were resolved was prettyy lol. We were originally roleblocking Koshi which would have been better but i didn't think the setup would be so stacked against us.. :/ I even said it in scumchat: " i actually think we should rb prome. there is no way Koshi got doc from 4 updates. That's seriously OP if that's true. " | ||
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On November 10 2013 11:30 Crossfire99 wrote: I sorta understand where you are coming from, but like I said earlier I didn't want scum to only have out of thread powers and be able to game the setup so *obviously* like that. I figured that having a silent roleblocker, godfather, and vote modifier wasn't too shabby. Additionally, whatever VA decided to use if he got charged up was silent and no one knew what it was. The only truly non-silent ability was yours and I went back and forth on it. Originally it was silent, and Seuss/Onegu's was in thread (except for the rb), but I wasn't sure about that and switched it. I figured it would be easier for your ability to be used less *obviously* scummy than Seuss's. One of the things I intended for you to be able to do was to increase the vote power of Weiner and decrease the cost of Bieber's abilities. You could play this off many ways, plus no one knew what cloister did. I figured this was easier to do than the voting stuff. Also night 1 you could have easily determined that Koshi had a jail. Seuss actually went through and tried to figure it out but missed jail costing 4. + Show Spoiler + If we work under the assumption that Koshi, marv, and Prom are essentially identical to VA, the most any of them can do is track/ninja. Rayn's power increases marv's costs so he can't medic himself. Whatever Koshi was planning to do he's been put off it. The concerning one here is actually Oats. He got 7 Refudiates. However, his power is apparently permanent, so it's reasonable to assume it's not like the others. Thanks for your thoughts, though! Just a general question for you. Can scum ever have non-silent abilities to use? Or is the fact that they're scum mean that almost all of their abilities must be silent? Basically the problem was this: - Town massclaims at the start of the game (just because the update powers must claim either way). - Everyone who is town and has an update power obviously claim that instantly and also claims how the power works (but not what the abilities are - and never claims who they are going to use the powers on before resolution period - but like marv did; "don't twerk me yet, people who i want to twerk me do that at the time i tell you to"). There is no reason to not update all those guys and everyone should do what is asked (it does not matter if the people with the powers are scum or town, i'll come to that later). - Everyone who is town and has an in-thread ability claims (in this setup the roles were vote-altering powers) and they prove their powers (WoS +1's someone, Pandain -1's someone). - kushmasta claims his power truthfully and promises never to use it. - vanillas claim. What does the scumteam do? - Vayne did what he had to. If he had claimed an update power he must HELP the town, or risk getting outed if he tries to screw with the town during night (f.ex. track somone and claim a wrong visit = you are dead, claim you jailed someone and got jailed by yourself = dead, etc etc.) . The best plan for him is to not do aything with his power ever and be a godfather. - I can't do anything with my powers before LYLO. I must help the town with the voting thing (buy town credit) or claim vanilla. I can't claim vanilla and risk a vig shot and/or a roleblock on me in the night before LYLO (when cloister is a good power - otherwise the power was pretty useless because it was in-thread, do something with it to screw with the town = get lynched pretty much, if not the following day, the day after that). - Seuss/Onegu claims or doesn't claim. It doesn't really matter. All he is is a roleblocker basically. So scum has basically a goon (before last night), a godfather, and a roleblocker vs 4 JOAT and useless powers + vanillas. If we try to frame someone during the night = maybe we could get someone lynched, but it will pretty much always at best result in 1-1 trade, or even worse. We can't basically do anything but to roleblock and hope me/Seuss don't get copped. When Sentinel gets outed (most likely to happen at some point) and claims like he did, town knows one of the vanillas is most likely lying. Then they can assume they are also a godfather. Best plan probably is to no-lynch every day until some of the roles fucks up somehow. Oats & Prome cop into the pool of unconfirmeds (non-JOATs) marv watches/jails (JOATs), Koshi jails (JOATs)/tracks(did he have a track? non-JOATs). Basically the best thing to do is to use abilities that confirm something (jail/watch/track/cop/doc) or busdrive JOATs with unconfirmed lesser roles/vanillas. Someone fucks up something or story doesn't fit = lynch Someone lies about their power = lynch Someone who is vanilla or kush does something = lynch Sentinel's nukes = everyone nukes one of the vanillas/kush N1 -> all on same person. Someone does something stupid outside what's supposed to be a good action = lynch There is a contradiction (like Seuss trying to frame someone with his silent power) = lynch (worst case scenario for town = 1-1 trade) If scum hit get's blocked there is gonna be confirmed people. Maybe someone is lying, maybe scum didn't hit anyone after all? Doesn't matter, laugh because you you got another night with more confirmed actions, no people dead. Analyze the situation (what could it mean) and no-lynch. If the same thing happens repeat. At some point you WILL find something because scum need to take risks to even kill people. Trust me, i have played so many BYORs i know in thread actions like that + resolution period where it's safe to claim action + really weak scum roles (+in thread actions in them) makes it basically impossible for scum to win even if there was nothing but talk about actions and no behavior analysis at all. In BYOR's (heavily roled games) scum have roles like "you can request whatever power you want from the GM's during the day to get it for the next night by doing XYZ" and STILL it's REALLY hard for mafia to win with basic town:mafia ratio.. | ||
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marv next time my turn! make sure you write me a letter in scum QT <3 | ||
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I thought you thought i was scum later on because scumteam did not hit WoS and me calling you 3p was because of that (i thought you or Prome was SK). I thought you figured out i was scum for thinking you are 3p and i "know more than i should" and therefore you had to call me scum but not lynch me yet. ^^ We roleblocked Prome and he never brought that up (i don't know what messages parity cops get on N1 check). I thought he was hiding something when he also suddenly stopped posting. I just YOLO'ed on D3, i was supposed to write a big WIFOM post just before the phase end to make one of you/Prome look terribad (3p) but i fell asleep lol. Oh well, can't play perfectly all the time. :/ | ||
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EDIT: Also did you read why we hit Pandain? ^_^ "I think i can convince Koshi into not lynching me. I think (notice this is not-so-comfortable-think :p) i can convince marv into not lynching me. I think i have absolutely no way to convince Pandain into not lynching me, so yeah, Pandain might be a good kill." | ||
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Actually Koshi didn't want to lynch me but in the end sheeped you (or at least wasn't sure). You also told me i made you doubt yourself. So im not sure if i was wrong. Yes of course i did get lynched but not totally wrong. Pandain would have probably put "lynch rayn" glasses on and hammered the lynch like no tomorrow. :D | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:58 marvellosity wrote: Not quite sure how you read Pandain as thinking like that, from his filter + postgame comment, looks like he was mostly following my read on you? shrug ^^ btw the reason HCC passed me by for so long is that i'm quite used to Vayne pushing his agenda as mafia, which he didn't seem to do here at all. He just let scum get lynched. it was weird. Because of what Pandain did in Golden Sun. He pushed kushmasta lynch through when everyone told him kush is town. :p Of course i could be wrong, and i probably am given what he said (apparently i missed it). I think Vayne kinda "stopped playing" when he accidently outed his smurf. Not sure but that's how i felt. | ||
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... but then he decided to tunnel his third scumread marv and got lynched for it. | ||
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And at least Crossfire found it enjoyable haha. I just typed and typed everything that came to my mind. | ||
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I was also pretty happy you made me use Relegate because if you hadn't i would have effectively claimed scum on N2 because at that point i had misread Cloister as silent action. I also got to shout at you for a "reason". :p | ||
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On November 11 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: yeah i thought Cloister was silent too until someone brought it up like days and days later. Didn't read closely enough. Maybe your PM was jinxed... it was impossible to read it correctly for anyone... haha I think Crossfire hacked my profile and changed my role PM three times. I call shenanigans! Game is invalid, mafia won! ggnore. ##hackedbycrossfire best power 2013. | ||
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On November 11 2013 20:34 marvellosity wrote: speaking of such things, i don't have that much to say about the balance, but I think Cloister being a silent action would probably have been a good idea. What with night action resolution period, it becomes very risky to use it (like you mention), so probably would have been better if you could use it without worrying. My plan was to use that as "doctor" and make the night kill happen one night after when we were close to LYLO. Obviously me misreading my role from the beginning fucked up my whole game plan.. | ||
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On November 11 2013 20:46 marvellosity wrote: Was kinda suspicious of the name tbh, when I looked it up didn't seem like it would simply be medic. I googled "Cloister english <-> finnish" (i had no idea what it means tbh) and it gave me synonyms "abbey, cloister, convent, monastery, To protect or isolate" so i just rolled with it. :p | ||
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On November 12 2013 08:56 Blazinghand wrote: My RNG lynches have never lynched a townie true. :p what they would have hit is; Oats - town Koshi - cop raynpelikonoshi - town blue <3 | ||
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