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On October 31 2013 02:04 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:03 Koshi wrote:On October 31 2013 02:00 Seuss wrote:On October 31 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote:On October 31 2013 01:45 Seuss wrote:On October 31 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote:
For serious Suess, I get that those things happened but this game is about conclusions not summaries. I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me. But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well. So Oats is scum for nuking me? Because you had a STRONG townread on Oats before. As an analyst, don't you work with pro's and cons? After pushing red button all the pro town things Oats did are wiped away and he is scum for you now? I haven't gone back to compare Oats' N1 actions with his D1 actions because I spent all my time scrutinizing OOHCHILD and HotCottonCandy. The statement on Oats was basically only considering his N1 play. So is Oats scum? If we go based purely on his N1 actions, it's likely. What do you think?
Christ Seuss. He's asking you to weigh up his whole play and come to a conclusion, not to isolate parts of it.
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On October 31 2013 02:07 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:04 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 02:04 Seuss wrote:On October 31 2013 02:03 Koshi wrote:On October 31 2013 02:00 Seuss wrote:On October 31 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote:On October 31 2013 01:45 Seuss wrote:On October 31 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote:
For serious Suess, I get that those things happened but this game is about conclusions not summaries. I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me. But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well. So Oats is scum for nuking me? Because you had a STRONG townread on Oats before. As an analyst, don't you work with pro's and cons? After pushing red button all the pro town things Oats did are wiped away and he is scum for you now? I haven't gone back to compare Oats' N1 actions with his D1 actions because I spent all my time scrutinizing OOHCHILD and HotCottonCandy. The statement on Oats was basically only considering his N1 play. So is Oats scum? If we go based purely on his N1 actions, it's likely. What do you think? Christ Seuss. He's asking you to weigh up his whole play and come to a conclusion, not to isolate parts of it. I understand that. I hope he and everyone else understands that it takes me more than 30 seconds to carefully read the and re-digest entire post history of someone like Oatsmaster.
Simply: you had a townread on Oats pre-night 1
you find his actions on night 1 scummy
which overrules which?
If you need to take time to think about it, then take time, and then answer his question
Wave - no I don't
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On October 31 2013 02:13 OOHCHILD wrote:
Everyone thinks I'm scum but WoS....mother f
Are you telling the truth about your night actions?
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Wave - why didn't you ##Twerk me??
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Sentinel didn't do it properly either. This is lame.
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Interestingly only 5 people twerked me despite me being a universal townread. You guys are super rubbish.
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On October 31 2013 02:21 OOHCHILD wrote:
It's kind of lame that everyone wants to lynch me for shit I can't control.
And prome in my recent scum games I have not been bussing scum and defending townies. I really only ever did that in games with people who didn't know about it.
I remember there was this game where someone who knew about it came in as a replacement and I got fucked.
Knowing you're kush, you should absolutely not have had a scumread on me at the point in the game that you declared you did.
It reminds me a lot of Sicilian mafia when you threw suspicion on me terribly and you ended up being mafia.
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On October 31 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Interestingly only 5 people twerked me despite me being a universal townread. You guys are super rubbish. Who?
rayn, you, Oats, s&b, Seuss.
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On October 31 2013 02:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Interestingly only 5 people twerked me despite me being a universal townread. You guys are super rubbish. Who?
Koshi, I reverse my previous decision on what we were talking about.
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On October 31 2013 02:32 OOHCHILD wrote:
Not too sure about that atm. Need more filters rich I haven't had time for. Wos is looking scummy but I agree his power is bad to block
Safe choice is to block HotCottonCandy who claimed VT. Or strongandbig who also claimed VT.
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On October 31 2013 02:38 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait marv that is a bad idea. It only stops twitter powers, which they cant use as claimed vts.
That's kind of the point. In case they're telling porkies, it stops them from doing any shenannies. Also why I said "safe" if you genuinely didn't know who to do it to and are worried about removing potentially useful town powers.
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On October 31 2013 02:41 OOHCHILD wrote:
Also marv could you be a dear and give me your seal of towniness before you get nk? Elsewise im going to get lynched..like everyone just said they want to lynch me in unison.
Given setup suggests to me you're mafia (whether you bitch about it or not), then I shan't be doing that. If I could flip you for free I would.
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On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum.Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch?
See, I think you should be better than how you used your nuke. Sigh.
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You know very well I can't doublestack anything right now.
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I'm just admonishing you, and no there's not much point to it.
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I'm still stuck on rayn abandoning WoS to lynch Clarity. It's so unlike townrayn not to be all guns blazing for that lynch.
rayn doesn't mind shouting at me repeatedly if he thinks I should be lynching his target.
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On October 31 2013 03:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still stuck on rayn abandoning WoS to lynch Clarity. It's so unlike townrayn not to be all guns blazing for that lynch.
rayn doesn't mind shouting at me repeatedly if he thinks I should be lynching his target. On one hand I think Rayn has actively been trying not to be as shout-y as he has been. Thug life is a good example I think. On the other...I really AM surprised I was able to actually convince HIM of all people at the end of D1. If there's somebody who latches on against all odds, it's him. About Rayn's power and the circumstances surrounding it---do you agree it is a townRayn-like thing to try and make plays?
The problem is, it's not even a play. It's either a retarded mistake or a lie dressed up as a retarded mistake.
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"A less annoying yamato" - best compliment I've had all year :x
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On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god..
Don't really agree tbh.
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On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with?
i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh.
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