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On October 22 2013 09:29 Blazinghand wrote: I actually am doing some thoughts on skan and the D2 vote that's making me think he's scum. he claims his hands were too slow, but I'm betting he PLANNED to swap after the deadline and not have his vote count, but got surprised by the secret vote and stutters actually flipped. If stutters were scum I'd say skan is scum 100%, but stutters flipped town so I'm still thinking it through. I'm gonna have some dinner and put together some more complete thoughts on what happened with the D2 lynch. that's ridiculous lol. Town don't plan to change their vote after the deadline and scum don't plan to last minute swap off of their scum read onto a townie with bad reasoning after the deadline. | ||
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On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Two things that made me think yamato is town: (1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum. (2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum). (3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are. -rayn I don't understand you were ok lynching him prior to the ninja vote and now you do not want to lynch him? | ||
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Skanjab1s writes a case on Yamato and pushes him in the thread early day1. Eventually Yamato disappears off his radar. On October 19 2013 00:47 Skanjab1s wrote: Classic "why me?" scum defense. I find yamato's reaction to my case acceptable. His sheeping onto Cephiro is not the most pressing concern to me at the moment. You are much more interesting, baby. When questioned by Sn0 Man, "why'd you drop your longstanding tunnel on him for no reason?" He says that Yamato's reaction to the case was satisfactory meaning he no longer had a scum read on him or wanted to lynch him. Then when Yamato goes MIA in thread for a long time he comes back with, On October 21 2013 02:10 Skanjab1s wrote: I still very much believe that yamato is scum, he didn't refute the points against him at all, he just said "ohthiscaseisshitushit" as a defense. Also it is apparently his scum meta to post less and less as the game goes on, as he has been doing. I am not as confident in my scumread of snoman anymore, I'm null/leaning town on him now. This is completely contradictory to what he said earlier. Also unlike Yamato, Stutters' scum meta isn't to post less and less as the game goes on that's his every game meta, yet his voted ended up on Stutters. On October 22 2013 05:00 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah ill vote for stutters, CRay looks like he will contribute mo' Final reasoning for vote switch is terrible. He had actual reasons to believe Yamato was scummy and they were much better than his reasons to lynch stutters. Skanjab1s didn't even mention Stutters before his last minute switch. Also his reasoning directly contradicts what he said earlier. On October 17 2013 23:55 Skanjab1s wrote: Tunneling is my style. Reading into things is the way I roll, baby. I do not let off my scumreads because they "could be valuable" or because they are vets. he was very confident in Yamato being scum and I don't think he could have been as confident in his read on stutters based on the reasoning he put out. On October 22 2013 06:06 Skanjab1s wrote: In retrospect, the things Stutters was doing were not scummier than what I posted on Yamato, I do not even know why I switched, but alas these are the things that made me think Stutters was scum: > Coming out of nowhere with just "Ceph is not town, because his role". Not offering any further insight into his scum read on Ceph > Says that as town, he doesn't just coast by (which he was doing). Then says that he is an infrequent poster, but as town he makes his thoughts known. As I've just said, he wasn't making his thoughts known at all. > Him telling someone to read the summary of Ceph's actions in the qt, but then someone else pointing out that there was no such summary, made me think that he was just saying it in thread to make it seem as if he was contributing, at least in his QT. Those were the things he posted that gave me scumfeels. Points 1 and 3 are totally invalid. 1) Stutters had a scum read before this post on cephiro and gave reasons besides he's scum because of his role. I would think if Skanjab1s was reading Stutters as scum he would have looked over his filter and realized this. 3) No scum in the history of mafia has lied about having posted something in a QT that he actually didn't and directed somebody to take a look at it in order to "appear contributory". 2) is just weak and I don't see why he would think him doing this is scummier than Yamato doing this. Aside from that Skanjab1s was very confident that Yamato was scum earlier and he was the only one I remember that wrote a case on Yamato. All mafia players have big egos; I think a natural response would be for him to want to have been right about Yamato all along and lynch his original scum read. Beyond all of that other reasoning I don't believe for one second that him showing up in the thread in the last minute was mere happenstance. He wanted Stutters to be lynched but he didn't want to risk losing the town cred from pushing Yamato so he waited it out without posting thoughts in thread that may look bad on him later. I can see the secret vote and him voting doesn't exactly line up but these situations can be very chaotic and scum teams don't have perfect organization. | ||
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On October 22 2013 12:38 Skanjab1s wrote: I hate how you people put forward the "him showing up last minute was not a coincidence" as though it is a fact, it is quite annoying. I've already responded to all of these points, but ill keep going. As I've stated, yamato's reaction was not satisfactory, I assume that the reason I said it was is because I was focusing on pushing Sno_man and didn't want to get pulled off track. For these points, you assume that if I am town I would play in a perfect pro-town way, which is just not the case. It was a mistake to change the vote from my long standing scumread yamato, to stutters, but that is what I did. While it was not the optimal/logical play, it doesn't make me scum, just town with a lapse in judgement. Like I said, I was reading the thread for the hour before, and only finished very close to the deadline. You even say that the secret vote + my after-deadline vote doesn't add up, but still try to reach for an explanation that would make me scum. Surely my scumteam would have mentioned that they were going to use a secret vote? I highly doubt that if I were scum I would be taken by surprise by it, it wouldn't have had to be perfectly organized either, I'd just have to look at the 6-6 tie and know that stutters would be lynched. Also, although this is no consolidation at all, for future reference perhaps, as scum I'm a bit more selfish, I wouldn't jeopardize myself to save a teammate. You quit talking about Yamato for a long time and then when asked about him your thought process is: "I still think Yamato is scummy but I'm just going to say the opposite because I don't want to get sidetracked" -no. I'm not assuming you will play in a perfect-pro town way I assume that if you are town and you see a contested lynch you will announce to the thread that you are here and reading up and considering switching your vote. not sit there until literally the last minute and go hmm I haven't mentioned Stutters at all but I guess he's equally scummy with the guy I called scum all game. *vote switch*. I don't know what's going on with the secret vote. When I was in this situation I was 1/2 a second away from panic vote switching onto Kushm4sta when I already said I wouldn't vote for him. scum could have just been saying in QT we can't lose another member with all these townies getting confirmed through their role; we may have to last second vote switch. You don't see anyone else vote stutters and make a mistake. | ||
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On October 22 2013 13:05 Skanjab1s wrote: The point on me not being in the thread is a matter of perspective, really. You see it as me purposely staying out, whereas it is actually me only finishing reading the thread close to deadline. There is not much that I can say to change your mind on this. What can i say. It's hard for me to believe that you just happened to make a mistake where you vote Stutters with bad reasoning. (CR could be useful) - already contradicted earlier in filter. And that you just happened to show up at the end of the lynch and that your stance on the player you tried to move the lynch off of switches back and forth based on your interpretation of the same information. And when you give your reasoning for Stutters being as strong of a scum read as Yamato it's self-admittedly weak and it's clear you didn't even read through his filter/misinterpreted his posts. | ||
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On October 22 2013 13:26 Skanjab1s wrote: (1) The reasoning wasn't CR could be useful, it was that CR looked as though he was going to do something, whereas stutters was doing nothing at all, and showed no sign that he would start doing anything. (2) Again, your interpretation is that I "tried to move the lynch off" of yamato, when I actually just preferred to lynch stutters. (bad move, yes.) I was fine with either lynch and was having trouble deciding between them. (3) My stance on yamato doesn't switch back and forth, I think he is scum, why I stated that he reacted fine to my case I have already explained, although I think it was silly to say that. (4) Yeah, I did not read through Stutters' filter, I didn't have time. The reasoning of Stutter's being as strong a scumread as yamato is self-admittedly weak in hindsight. At the time I did not think that was the case. 1) I don't really see what is different. 2) when you have a strong scumread on somebody the whole game and then switch your mind in the last minute without even reading through stutters' filter just based on the fact that CR might do something then I get the impression you are trying to move the lynch off Yamato. 3) I can't see town act the way you did to that question. If someone asks me what happened to someone I think is scum and I dont want to get sidetracked then I say that I think he is mafia too but I want to focus on Sn0 Man. I don't lie about feeling good about Yamato's responses in order to avoid getting sidetracked. | ||
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On October 22 2013 13:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I have a problem. Why is Grackaroni saying to multiple people that they "tried to move the lynch from yamato/CR to Stutters"? That's a fucking misrepresentation. Although this is weird: Why was this a bad move? Do you think it's the absolute trith CR is scum? In case he is not, why was it a mistake to lynch Stutters over him? -rayn I've got a feeling that you have many problems. he's already said he's confident CR is scum. | ||
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On October 22 2013 13:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Grack tried to push the same "why are you trying to switch the lynch bla bla" bullshit on me earlier on.. -rayn I did. Because you weren't specifically addressing Yamato but kept pushing forward other lynch options. I even asked you guys why you didn't want to lynch Yamato and nobody answered. | ||
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On October 22 2013 13:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh god. What's the point of sacrificing 2 scum when CR is probably gonna die anyways tomorrow if he is scum? You are seriously saying Skan saved CR and outed himself in the process when it's kinda guaranteed that a player as CR's caliber (no offense) will get lynched tomorrow if he is scum? -rayn I don't know what scum abilities each player has. Scum is in a shit position. Town is confirming itself just through roles and pretty soon other people will be ruled out from posts. scum can't afford losing anyone else at this point. | ||
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On October 22 2013 13:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: That's bullshit. I answered you as soon as you asked me. And your question was "why are you trying to dvert the lynch from yamato". To be specific: Same bullshit. [i]-rayn Not bullshit. I asked earlier you didn't respond. Then I said that. How about you quit raging about being accused and read through Skanjab1s' posts and comment. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:00 Blazinghand wrote: skan didnt save CR anyways his vote happened post deadline. plus all this talk about CR scum with skan is bad because it's drawing associative tells between unflipped players. I don't buy that skan just happened yo catch up as the deadline hit though. like its not like you can't tell the time until you've read the thread. tl has clocks everywhere it doesn't matter if the players are unflipped. It's not bad. If someone switches off their top scum read at the last second with bad reasoning that is something that needs to be looked into. It makes me think CR is more likely to be scum. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Did you even read my post? Do you think it's better for Skan to look better in comparsion to out himself by saving CR, who if scum, will get lynched tomorrow 100%? -rayn I read and responded to your post. You just didn't like the response. It doesn't make Skan look good but I doubt scum thinks they can win with 2 players. Go read the posts and respond beyond Grack pulled this shit on me earlier. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote: that's 10 powers and 16 players left the 6 people remaining: rayn ceph vayne skan ray onegu one of you people has a fucking secret vote, if it's impossible for skanjab to have it then it has to be the remaining one of you fuckers I actually agree with this. And I doubt it's Vayne/Onegu as I think they would have posted between sometime around the lynch and now. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I give you that the secret vote is from mafia. We do not have a secret vote and i highly doubt Cephiro has one. This is fucking idiotic because at least Vayne has been active in house QT between lynch and now. -rayn well I don't know that. can you check if he just lied about not having power? Because that would be hilarious. | ||
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